Atnaujinta // As of 2003.04.18.
Atgal į Brolijos ir Seserijos programos ruošos tinklalapį
BSA Supported Activities - BSA will provide equipment and qualified staff for the following program areas. No other program areas of camp will be staffed by BSA personnel. Some activities have age restrictions or other requirements. Archery, Bicycling, Climbing, Horseback Riding, Swimming, Volleyball (BSA will provide equipment, but no staff.)
Kategorija // Category | Klausimas // Question | Kam Uzduota // Owner | Atsakymas // Answer | Data // Date |
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Advancement | Ar programos pagrindai bus patyrimo laipsniai ir specialybes? Ka gali tiketis skautai atsiekti per stovykla? // Will the activities be based on advancement and merit badges? What can the scouts expect to achieve during camp? | Pastovykliu virsininkai // Scoutmasters | ||
Archery - BSA Supported Activity | ||||
Archery | Potential objectives of program - Recreational shooting? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Potential objectives of program - BSA Archery Merit Badge? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Potential objectives of program - LSS Boy Scouts Shooting Merit Badge. Can BSA accommodate? | Dana | Yes, as far as it is similar to the BSA Archery Merit Badge requirements. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Potential objectives of program - Other (compound bow demo, Indian skills - building a bow or arrow from natural materials)? | Dana | Yes, we do have arrow kits where the campers can make their own arrows. Not sure about compound bows, trying to set up an Indian skills area. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Schedule? | Dana | The archery range run an open format daily from 8:30am-12:30pm, and again 2:00pm-5:00pm, Monday-Friday. Saturday the range can be open 8:30am-12:30pm and again from 2:00pm-5:00pm. Sunday our staff can open the range from 2:00pm-5:00pm. | April 16, 2003 |
Archery | LSS staff? | Dana | If you can provide qualified staff 21+ years old and our Shooting Sports director trains them, they can keep the range open longer during daylight hours. | April 16, 2003 |
Archery | Capacity limit per session? | Dana | 10 on the firing line at one time. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | How many at the range at one time? | Dana | Probably 20 at a time as we have 10 on the firing line and 10 waiting to shoot or working on making their own arrows. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Length of session? | Dana | 30 to 45 minutes, with safety instruction. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Prerequisites? | Dana | Safety instruction prior to shooting. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Is there a minimum age requirement? | Dana | No, only the ability to draw back the bow and follow safety instructions. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | What alternative activities will be available for those too young to participate? | Dana | They can make arrows from the kits with adult supervision. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Will the arrow kits ($5.00) be available at the Tradin' Post? | Dana | Yes, we can work this out easily. | April 16, 2003 |
Archery | Any minimum/maximum physical requirements (e.g. minimum height, maximum weight)? | Dana | None, only the ability to draw back the bow and follow safety instructions. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery | Will handicapped scouts (e.g. vision, hearing, wheelchair, Down syndrome) be able to participate? (not sure if anyone is handicapped) | Dana | Yes, with adult supervision and assistance. | March 23, 2003 |
Archery - end | ||||
Astronomy | Do you have any contacts at the Solar Observatory on Big Bear Lake? I've seen their web site and have the general contact information. We may be interested in arranging a weekday tour of the observatory? Transportation would be our own responsibility. | Dana | That's a great idea, it's a good place to take scouts. I'll talk to the Forest Service and follow up on this one. | April 16, 2003 |
Backpacking / Hiking | Ar reikia leidimo iskylauti su kuprine? // Is a permit required to go backpacking? | Dana | Yra ivairiu reikalavimu del apsaugos. // The US Forest Service requires fire permits for all units backpacking and Adventure Passes for any vehicles parked on US Forest Service land, including roads through the forest. Depending upon the fire restrictions in effect during August, fires may be limited to propane stoves with no charcoal or wood fires allowed. It is suggested backpackers stay on the Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail or other established trails, especially during fire season. | 2003.01.12 |
Backpacking / Hiking | Ar yra BSA apsaugos reikalavimu? // Does BSA require a trip plan to be filed before leaving the BSA camp? | Tomas, Dana | Yra ivairiu reikalavimu del apsaugos. // The Boy Scouts of America requires units desiring to hike or backpack off the Holcomb Valley Scout Ranch to leave a detailed itinerary and sign out at the office (Pony Express) on departure, and sign in at the office upon return. While the unit is off the Scout Ranch property (hiking or backpacking under unit leadership), permission slips and authorization to treat forms must be in the possession of the tour leader. Any accidents, illnesses, etc. that occur during the unit backpack/hike are the responsibility of the tour leaders. | 2003.01.12 |
Backpacking / Hiking | Kaip reikia laikytis "zaliu principu"? // What are the Leave No Trace principles? | - | BSA pritaria, mokina ir bando laikytis Leave No Trace principu. | - |
Backpacking / Hiking | Ar BSA paskolins peciukus iskylautojam? // Does BSA have cooking stoves for use during hikes and backpacking trips? | Dana | Ne. BSA neturi peciuku. // The Old Baldy Council does not have backpacking stoves. These are provided by and are the responsibility of the individual units. | 2003.01.12 |
Backpacking / Hiking | Kas (LSS, Brolija, Seserija, LA) parupins peciukus iskylautojam? // Who will provide cooking stoves for use during hikes and backpacking trips? | Vincas | ||
Backpacking / Hiking | How much time does it take an average scout to hike to the top of Bertha Peak? It appears to be 2-3 miles from camp and about 1000 foot rise in elevation. | Dana | We can provide the maps for you, but the personnel will not be available. Bertha Peak is where we take the boys on the 4th of July to watch the fireworks over the lake - it is an incredible sight - it takes about an hour and a half to get to the top, the younger boys can make it if the leaders take their time. | April 16, 2003 |
Bicycling - BSA Supported Activity | ||||
Bicycling | Kiek kainuos isnuomoti dviracius? // Will the mt bicycles cost extra? | Tomas, Tadas | Dviraciu (arkliu, ir t.t.) nuoma iskaityta i stovyklos mokesti. // The cost of the bicyles (and horses, etc.) is included in the camp fee. Certain restictions will probably apply, but they have not been defined yet. | 2002.12.29 |
Bicycling | Kiek bus galima dviracius naudoti? Kokios bus taisykles? // When will mt. bikes be available? What rules will govern their use? | Dana | Mountain Bikes will be available during daylight hours for organized rides. Two members of the HVSR cycling staff must accompany all scheduled rides for safety purposes. Helmets must be worn by all riders, no exceptions. Water bottles must be provided by each rider, filled with water, and carried in the water bottle cage on the bikes. Bottles may be purchased at the trading post. Prior to all scheduled rides, participants must complete the mountain bike technical safety course with a HVSR cycling staff member. Time schedule for rides yet to be determined. | 2003.01.12 |
Bicycling | Potential objectives of program - Recreational riding? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Potential objectives of program - BSA Cycling Merit Badge? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Potential objectives of program - LSS Boy Scouts Bicycling Merit Badge. | Dana | Yes, if similar to BSA. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Potential objectives of program - Cycling day hike? Overnight? | Dana | Yes, day rides, no overnight rides planned. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Potential objectives of program - Other? | Dana | Technical training course, safety instruction, and safety gear must fit as well as bike must fit the rider. Water bottle must be filled and taken on each ride. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Schedule | Dana | Bicycles will follow the same schedule as the climbing tower; 8:30am-12:30pm and 2:00pm-5:00pm Monday-Saturday. Sunday from 2:00pm-5:00pm. | April 16, 2003 |
Bicycling | Safety | Dana | Due to the maintenance issues involved and the fact that we are selling the bicycles at the conclusion of the summer, each ride must be lead by one of the certified staff members and maintenance performed each evening. A safety course must be completed prior to using the bicycles, and only organized rides will be permitted. | April 16, 2003 |
Bicycling | Capacity limit per session? | Dana | Assume 28 riders at one time. Various bicycle sizes. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Any more details? | Dana | Rides will be limited to afternoon recreational use, if merit badges are taught in the morning. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Will scouts be required to provide a water bottle that fits in the water bottle cage? Is an over the shoulder canteen or waist belt canteen or backpack canteen (e.g. camelback) acceptable? | Dana | Bike water bottles that fit in the cage are required, no loose or hanging equipment is permitted (safety). Bottles will be available for purchase in the Trading Post for those who do not have one. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | How much does the Tradin' Post charge for water bottles? | Dana | $5.00 per bottle. | April 16, 2003 |
Bicycling | Are the water bottles generic or do they have a BSA/HVSR logo? | Dana | They carry the logo for the camp. | April 16, 2003 |
Bicycling | Will there be enough properly sized helmets and bicycles for a group of young scouts (10-12 year olds)? | Dana | Helmets come in 3 sizes, small, medium, large and need to fit the boy. We will have 28 helmets and 28 bikes. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Will there be enough properly sized helmets and bicycles for a group of young adults (16-18 year olds?) | Dana | Helmets come in 3 sizes, small, medium, large and need to fit the boy. We will have 28 helmets and 28 bikes. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | It sounds like some BSA troops arrive camp with their own bicycle helmets, so they are not restricted to the ones provided by the contractor. | Dana | Youth and adults may bring their own helmets to camp, but they must pass a safety inspection for use. We will have small, medium and large size helmets, as well as small, medium, and large frame bicycles. | April 16, 2003 |
Bicycling | Do you ever run into a shortage of helmet sizes or bicycle sizes? | Dana | No, we just adjust the schedule so we have enough for each ride. | April 16, 2003 |
Bicycling | Is there a minimum age requirement? | Dana | 14 years old for the merit badge. 12 years old for recreational rides on trails off ranch property. Rides can be arranged for younger boys within the camp in the wilderness area. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Length of session? | Dana | Class length 2 hours. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | What alternative activities will be available for those too young to participate? | Dana | none | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Any minimum/maximum physical requirements (e.g. minimum height, maximum weight)? | Dana | Boys must fit the bike and fit the helmet. Standing flat footed on the ground while straddling the center frame member for proper frame fit. Boys may bring their own helmets, but must meet current state of California and Federal helmet safety law, and be inspected by the Mountain Bike area director for safety prior to use. | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling | Will handicapped scouts (e.g. vision, hearing, wheelchair, Down syndrome) be able to participate? (not sure if anyone is handicapped) | Dana | Unsure | March 23, 2003 |
Bicycling - end | ||||
BSA Regulations | Kokias BSA taisykles reikes prisilaikyti? // What are the BSA rules that we will be required to abide by? | Dana | See Leader Guide. | March 2003 |
BSA Regulations | Kas gali nesioti peili? Kokie reikalavimai? Stovyklautojo kirvuko programa? // Who can carry a knife? What rules govern their use? Totinā Chip? | Dana |
Rules governing carrying and use of pocket knives: Totinā Chip requirements: | 2003.01.12 |
BSA Regulations | Kokias BSA formas reikes skautam ispildyti? // What BSA forms will attendees be required to submit before or as they arrive camp? | Dana |
The following forms must accompany each and every person when they arrive at Holcomb Valley Scout Ranch:
Prior to arrival at Holcomb Valley Scout Ranch information on any camper/leader with medical concerns, physical limitations, and/or conditions requiring medication needs to be submitted to the Holcomb Valley Scout Ranch Camp Director to be given to the Camp Health Officer. A roster of all participants which includes; name, date of birth, personal health insurance information (company, policy number, phone number), parents name, emergency phone number, unit number and unit leader needs to be turned into the Holcomb Valley Scout Ranch Camp Director no later than July 1, 2003. | 2003.01.12 |
BSA Regulations | Kokias BSA formas reikes skautam ispildyti kurie negyvena JAV? // What BSA forms will international attendees be required to submit before or as they arrive camp? | LSS, BSA | ||
BSA Staff | Totin' Chip // Will the BSA staff be available to train and test all the scouts for the Totin' Chip in the first few days of camp? | Tomas, Dana | ||
Climbing - BSA Supported Activity | ||||
Climbing | Ar kliuciu kelias bus atnaujintas? // Will the high and low rope course be rebuilt? | Dana | We currently have a 32-foot tall climbing tower with 3 ability level courses. We also have bouldering opportunities outside the Scout Ranch property within hiking distance from the camp. We do not currently have a high or low cope course. Plans are in place to build the high and low cope courses in 2005. | 2003.01.12 |
Climbing | Safety | Dana | Safety training is required for all participants as well as safety equipment. Age requirement is 14 years of age minimum. | April 16, 2003 |
Climbing | Schedule | Dana | The climbing tower is open for sessions daily 8:30am-12:30pm and again from 2:00pm to 4:00pm Monday-Friday. Our Climbing Director is not on site over the weekends. We may be able to make arrangements for Saturday, but that would still need to be worked out with the Director. | April 16, 2003 |
Climbing | Potential objectives of program - Recreational climbing & rappelling? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Potential objectives of program - BSA Climbing Merit Badge? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Potential objectives of program - LSS Boy Scouts Mountaineering Merit Badge. Can BSA accommodate? | Dana | Yes, if same as BSA Requirements | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Potential objectives of program - Climbing competition? | Dana | Time climbs yes, only one person on the wall at a time, BSA Safety policy. | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Potential objectives of program - Climbing or rappelling, bouldering away from the tower/in the field? | Dana | Yes, within short hikes of the Ranch. | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Potential objectives of program - Other (knot tying for climbing/rappelling, mountain rescue techniques/demo - lowering a loaded stretcher down a cliff)? | Dana | That could possibly be arranged, we would need additional staff members 21+ to assist. | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Capacity limit per session? Assume 12 at the tower at one time, only one on the wall at a time. | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Length of session? | Dana | 60 minutes for safety instruction and climbing/rappelling. | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Is there a minimum age requirement? | Dana | Yes, minimum age 14 years old. | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | What alternative activities will be available for those too young to participate? | Dana | Unfortunately, not at this time. We are considering some low cope elements for team building opportunities. | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Any minimum/maximum physical requirements (e.g. minimum height, maximum weight)? | Dana | Only ability levels. | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing | Will handicapped scouts (e.g. vision, hearing, wheelchair, Down syndrome) be able to participate? (not sure if anyone is handicapped) | Dana | If the ability levels are met and one to one adult supervision is provided. | March 23, 2003 |
Climbing - end | ||||
Cooking (Lauko virtuve) | HVSR does not have backpacking stoves - troops are responsible for bringing their own. Does HVSR have Dutch ovens that we could use? How many? What size? Have troops built solar ovens and successfully cooked meals in them? Will other equipment and displays be available for our use? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract, and all equipment will be packed away for winter storage. Troops have built and successfully used a variety of stoves/ovens that the boys have built. We have cooked fresh baked chocolate chip cookies in reflector ovens, meals on tin can stoves, and baked biscuits in solar stoves/ovens. | April 16, 2003 |
Cooking (Lauko virtuve) | Ar galima statyti lauko virtuve? Ar galima naudoti peciukus? // Can food be prepared at a camp kitchen? Can fuel stoves be used? | Tomas, Dana | ||
Dainavimas | Kas praves dainavimo programa? // Who will be our singing director? | |||
Evening Program | Ar bus sokiai? // Will there be dances on some evenings? | |||
Fingerprinting | Will equipment and displays be available for our use? Can LSS adults supervise these areas? Do they need to be qualified to supervise these activities? What are the qualification requirements? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract, and all equipment will be packed away for winter storage. | April 16, 2003 |
Fishing | Isskyrus Big Bear ezere, kur galima zuvauti? // Besides Big Bear Lake, where can scouts go fishing? Are there fish in the lake or pond in the middle of Holcomb Valley? What licenses are required for minors? Out-of-state minors? Adults? | |||
Gold | Kur galima isbandyti aukso randimo metodus? // Where can we learn to pan for gold? | Dana | Working on contact with US Forest Service for sites. Also a possibility in camp, working out details with Mr. Alan. | 2003.01.12 Open issue |
Gold | Any word on gold panning opportunities in or around camp? | Dana | Still working out the details, possibly a constructed sluce or out at Holcomb Valley Springs beyond Hitchcock Ranch. | April 16, 2003 |
Handicraft (Rankdarbiai) | Handicraft - Basketry, Leatherwork, Pottery, Woodcarving. BSA staff is not contracted to provide handicraft activity support, but will the handicraft area and tools be available for our use? Basketry - Will the basket and stool kits ($16.00-20.00) be available at the Tradin' Post? Will special tools, if required, be available? Can LSS adults supervise these areas? Do they need to be qualified to supervise these activities? What are the qualification requirements? | Dana | The area consists of tables under a parachute in the trees. The trading post will carry all supplies needed to make basketry projects and other craft projects. All tools will already be packed away for the winter. | April 16, 2003 |
Handicraft (Rankdarbiai) | Are electric outlets available for glue guns, wood burners, etc? Where (dining hall, handicraft area, etc)? | Dana | There are no electrical outlets in the dining hall area, handicraft area has a single outlet we usually use for the routers and power tools when the Scoutmasters construct the Boothill tombstones. | April 16, 2003 |
High Adventure | San Gorgonio kalnas // San Gorgonio Mountain www.sgwa.org | All visitors are required to secure a permit from the US Forest Service before entry into the wilderness for both dayhikes and overnight travel. Maximum group size per permit is twelve persons and permits are issued by zone. | ||
High Tech | Hight tech - Photography, Journalism, Pulp & Paper, Computers. BSA staff is not contracted to provide high tech activity support, but will the high tech area, equipment, and displays be available for our use? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract, and all equipment will be packed away for winter storage. | April 16, 2003 |
Horseback Riding - BSA Supported Activity | ||||
Horseback Riding | Mindaugas buvo raitelis. Ar gales skautai raiteliai joti per didyji parada? // The camp celebrates our 13th century king, knight, warrior, and statesman. Would it be possible to have some scouts ride horses during our Celebration - Flag Retreat on Saturday evening? | Tomas, Dana | ||
Horseback Riding | Potential objectives of program - Recreational riding? | Dana | Yes, trail rides in the afternoon. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Potential objectives of program - BSA Horsemanship Merit Badge? | Dana | Yes, this is limited and a 2 hour class. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Potential objectives of program - LSS Boy Scouts Horsemanship Merit Badge. Can BSA accommodate? | Dana | Yes, if it is similar in requirements to the BSA Merit Badge. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Potential objectives of program - Horseback day hike? Overnight? | Dana | No overnight rides, horses are limited by number of hours of use each day as the same horses are used for the merit badge classes, and recreational rides. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Schedule? | Dana | The Ranch is only open during the morning hours from 9:00am-12:30pm for merit badge sessions, and 2:00pm-5:00pm for trail rides Monday-Friday. Saturday we can have trail rides from 9:00am-12:30pm and again from 2:00pm-5:00pm. Sunday trail rides can be available from 2:00pm-5:00pm. The availability and the number of horses is dependent upon the number of hours they are working. That is still something I'm gathering information from our supplier as well as our national scout camp at Philmont. | April 16, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Capacity limit per session? Assume 12-15 horses. Does this mean only 12-15 riders per session or can an additional 12-15 participate in other activities? | Dana | Riders per session will depend on number of horses available, guessing 12-15. Other activities at the ranch include a rodeo style bucking bull (needing 4 adults to handle the ropes and supervise the activity) and roping activities with our 'sawhorse steers'. We may have a working forge where the boys can make horseshoe nail rings and horseshoes - this is still in the negotiation phase as our assistant wrangler is our blacksmith. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Length of session? | Dana | For merit badges 2 hours, 1 session each day in the morning. Rides, 2 rides in the afternoon each about 1 hour in length. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Prerequisites? | Dana | Safety instruction, safety equipment. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Is there a minimum age requirement? | Dana | Minimum age 14 years old for merit badge, 12 years old for rides. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Horseback riding opportunities for the first year scouts. LSS scouts bridge over at around 10.5 years of age. You wrote that the minimum age was 12 for riding and 14 for the merit badge. Is the age requirement set by the liability insurance company, BSA safety rules, or some other factors? Would it be possible to arrange an introductory ride for the first year scouts? Most have never ridden a horse and this would be a great thrill for them. | Dana | I'm looking into the liability issues, but I think we can work something out. As soon as I have a definite answer I'll let you know. | April 16, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | What alternative activities will be available for those too young to participate? | Dana | Other activities at the ranch include a rodeo style bucking bull (needing 4 adults to handle the ropes and supervise the activity) and roping activities with our 'sawhorse steers'. We may have a working forge where the boys can make horseshoe nail rings and horseshoes - this is still in the negotiation phase as our assistant wrangler is our blacksmith. | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Any minimum/maximum physical requirements (e.g. minimum height, maximum weight)? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | I'm not sure how many "football players" will attend camp, but will there be horses available for 200-220 lb boys? | Dana | ||
Horseback Riding | Will handicapped scouts (e.g. vision, hearing, wheelchair, Down syndrome) be able to participate? (not sure if anyone is handicapped) | Dana | Uncertain | March 23, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | Any word on the forge for making horseshoes and nails? | Dana | I'm still working through the paperwork and contacting our resources on this one. We hope to have the forge up and running the end of June. | April 16, 2003 |
Horseback Riding | What will be the age restrictions for working near the forge? | Dana | I'm not sure about age restrictions just yet. | April 16, 2003 |
Horseback Riding - end | ||||
Leatherwork | Will the leather supplies ($10.00-15.00) be available at the Tradin' Post? You mentioned an extensive collection of leatherwork tools. Will they be available for our use? Can LSS adults supervise these areas? Do they need to be qualified to supervise these activities? What are the qualification requirements? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract. Leather Tools are packed for winter, unless our Handicraft Staff is on site they can not be used. | April 16, 2003 |
LSS Staff | Kas bus ukio vedejas? // Who will be the LSS quartermaster? | LSS dar nepaskelbe. Brolijos ukvedys bus Vincas Giedraitis | 2002.12.23 | |
LSS Staff | Kas bus LSS programos vedejas? // Who will be the LSS program coordinator? | LSS dar nepaskelbe. | ||
LSS Staff | Kokia bus programa rugpiucio 16 d? // What activities are planned for August 16? Most flights leave the West Coast early in the morning. | |||
LSS Staff | Koks bus pastovykliu biudzetas? // What is the activity budget? I would like to take my scouts on a field trip... I need materials for my activities... | LSS dar nepaskelbe. | ||
LSS Staff | Kada ivyks stovyklos ruosos suvaziavimas? // When will the camp planning meeting take place? Conference call? Webcast? | May 2-4, 2003 | - | |
Mines, caves | Ar yra kasyklu kurias galima aplankyti? // Where can we tour a mine shaft or working mine? | Dana | The BSA Guide to Safe Scouting prohibits entry into abandoned mine shafts. Per the US Forest Service, many of the mine shafts in the Holcomb Valley area are bat habitats with about a 20-foot entry and an abrupt 50-foot drop straight down. The air in the mines is also unhealthy. They discourage entry into abandon mine shafts.
Working mines in the Big Bear Lake area mine minerals such as phosphate. The US Forest Service is looking into possible tours of one of these mines for your group. Transportation will be necessary as these mines are on the east side of Baldwin Lake. | 2003.01.12 Open issue |
Mines, caves | Ar yra uolose urvu kurias galima aplankyti? // Where can we go caving or spelunking? Visit a cavern? | Dana | There are no caverns in the Big Bear Lake area. BSA policy encourages Venture Crews (young men and women 14 years of age and older) to learn caving techniques. Still trying to contact US Forest Service personnel who are familiar with caving and may be able to help. | 2003.01.12 Open issue |
Mines, caves | Any word on visiting a phosphate mine? You mentioned the Forest Service may be able to arrange a tour. We would have to provide transportation. | Dana | Still working out details, will advise when something firm is in place. | April 16, 2003 |
Miscellaneous | Ar skautam butu idomu gauti stovyklos zenklelio laikina "tattoo"? // Would scouts be interested in a camp patch temporary tattoo? | |||
Miscellaneous | Dazu karas // Is Pain Ball an approved activity? | Dana | BSA neleidzia sio uzsiemimo. // BSA prohibits paint ball activities. | 2003.01.30 |
Nature | Nature - Astronomy, Environmental Science, Forestry, Geology, Mammal Study, Nature, Reptile & Amphibian Study, Space Exploration, Soil & Water Conservation, Weather. BSA staff is not contracted to provide nature activity support, but will the nature area, collections, and displays be available for our use? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract and all displays, collections, etc. will be packed away for winter storage. | April 16, 2003 |
Nature | Kas gales papasakoti apie geologija ir atpazins akmenu rusis? // Who can describe the geology of the area and identify various rocks? | Dana | HVSR Ecology & Conservation Director, members of the Nature Staff. Also members of the US Forest Service Big Bear Discovery Center, and the Conservation Officer. | 2003.01.12 |
Nature | Iskyla i tikra dykuma. // Where can we go to see a "real" desert? | Tomas, Dana | ||
Orientacijos sportas // Orienteering | Ar yra orientacijos sporto stotys? Ar yra orientacijos zemelapis? // Is there a permanent orienteering course? Is there a large scale (1:5000 to 1:15000) orienteering map of the camp? | Dana | Yes, an orienteering course is available at HVSR. A map is also available. (Map was faxed, so it's in "fair" condition.) BSA will be laying out a more advanced course that traverses 2/3 of the camp property (approx. 480 acres) including the wilderness area and the ranch equestrian center. | 2003.01.30 |
Orientacijos sportas // Orienteering | Orienteering // What is the recommended method for implementing the benchmark markers shown on the map? Are there courses set between various benchmarks or is it a simple clockwise/counterclockwise pattern? | Tomas, Dana | ||
Orientacijos sportas // Orienteering | We have the map that you faxed in January. Any word on the map that would cover more of HVSR? Our understanding is that HVSR will not provide compasses. Will other equipment (tape measure for pace count, etc), training materials, and displays be available for our use? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract, and all equipment will be packed away for winter storage. Additional maps are available. After April 28th I should be able to get the additional maps for you. | April 16, 2003 |
Orientacijos sportas // Orienteering | Kas parupins kompasus? // Can BSA provide compasses (how many?) or will each individual be responsible for bringing their own? | Dana | Scouts are responsible for providing their own compass. | - |
Packing List | Kas itikins in priziures, kad skautai atsivez tinkama apranga ir reikmenis? // Who will convince and ensure the scouts are prepared for the environment? | |||
Packing List | Kuprines, iskylom palapines, peciukai? // Backpacks, backpacking tents, stoves? | |||
Packing List | Vandens buteliai dviraciu iskylom? // Water bottles for bicycling? | |||
Packing List | Dviraciu salmai? // Bicycling helmets? | |||
Photography | One of our scoutmasters develops his own film. Can we set up a dark room and use photo chemicals? Can you recommend a building for the dark room? What safety measures pertain to scouts using photo chemicals? | Dana | EPA regulations do not allow us to process film on site, due to disposal of chemicals. We do not currently have a building that is light tight. Both the Baldwin Lodge and Cliburn Lodge will be used for staff housing during August. | April 16, 2003 |
Pioneering | We understand a limited amount of wood and rope will be available to practice lashing. We will be responsible for our own axes and saws. Are there safety restrictions on building a three rope monkey bridge? Are there safety restrictions on building a tower? | Dana | Refer to the "Guide to Safe Scouting" and "Climbing Standards" I can send these as a web-link in a week or so. | April 16, 2003 |
Pioneering | Kas parupins virves ir irankius? // Who will proide the rope and tools to build pioneering projects? | Dana | A limited amount of rope, poles, and wood are available at HVSR for pioneering projects in the Scoutcraft area. Projects to be built in other parts of the camp require campers to provide their own ropes, poles, and wood. | 2003.01.12 |
Pioneering | Kokius pionerijos irengimus bus galima statyti? // What options will there be to build pioneering projects (gates, sleeping bag rack, towel bars, etc)? | Dana | Campers need to provide their own ropes, poles, and wood for projects in campsites. | 2003.01.12 |
Pioneering | Ar brolija parupins virves ir irankius? | Vincas | ||
Pioneering | Ar reikes is vienetu siusti irankius pastu, kad ju butu stovykloje? | Vincas | ||
Pioneering | Kur gausim medi ir virves vartam ir kitiem irengimam? | Vincas | ||
Pioneering | Koks bus biudzetas? | Vincas | ||
Pottery | Will the clay ($5.00-10.00) be available at the Tradin' Post? Is there a kiln at HVSR? Will the kiln and other tools be available for our use? Can LSS adults supervise these areas? Do they need to be qualified to supervise these activities? What are the qualification requirements? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract. | April 16, 2003 |
Scoutcraft | Scoutcraft - Backpacking, Camping, Cooking, Emergency Preparedness, Fingerprinting, First Aid, Hiking, Indian Lore, Orienteering, Pioneering, Wilderness Survival. BSA staff is not contracted to provide scoutcraft activity support, but will the scoutcraft area, equipment, and displays be available for our use? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract. We do have poles that will be stacked on the racks that can be used, but everything else will be stored for the winter. | April 16, 2003 |
Service Projects | Can you think of a variety of service projects that our scouts can work on? Some should be quick projects for the younger scouts, while others may be longer, more strenuous projects for the older scouts. | Dana | We are developing a list of conservation projects from simple ones that can be completed in an hour or so by younger campers to more advanced projects requiring larger groups that may take a few hours to complete. | April 16, 2003 |
Shooting Sports (Archery, Rifle, Shotgun) | Kokia bus saudymo (sautuvo ir lanko) programa? // What are the requirements for shooting (rife, shotgun, archery)? How long are the sessions? How many scouts can participate at a time? Additional fee? | - | Šaudymas iš lanko // Archery | - |
Special awards, recognition | Ar bus proga ipatingam apdovanojimam, pvz. zenkliuko iteikima po 10 myliu iskylos palei Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail arba 8000 pedu kalno virsunes pasiekima? // Will patches be awarded for hiking 10 miles along the Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail or climbing to the top of an 8000 foot mountain? | Tomas, Dana | HVSR has a series of patches that can be purchased at the Trading Post upon completion of activities (Polar Bear Swim, JAD Patrol Hikes, etc.) We can provide specific patches available for purchase at the Trading Post for completion of any specific activity, hike, conservation project, etc. We will need to know specifically what is wanted no later than May 2003. Patches and rockers are also available for completion of the San Gabriel Mountain and San Bernardino Mountain Trail Awards and High Adventure Activities. | 2003.01.12 |
Swimming - BSA Supported Activity | ||||
Swimming | Klasifikacija // Swim test | Dana |
BSA swim test is required of all individuals using the swimming pool. This test is used to determine if a camper is a beginner, intermediate, or advanced swimmer. Beginner swimmers are only allowed in water not exceeding chest height. This test includes jumping feet first into water over the head in depth, level off, and begin swimming. Swim 75 yards in a strong manner using one or more of the following strokes: trudgen, or crawl; then swim 25 yards using an easy resting backstroke. The 100 yards must be completed in one swim without stops and must include at least one sharp turn. After completing the swim, rest by floating. BSA Safe Swim Defense training is available to all participants. | 2003.01.12 |
Swimming | Vandens sargai // Lifeguards | Dana | Lifeguards must be currently certified by the American Red Cross as ćLifeguardsä with current certification in American Red Cross Standard First Aid and CPR. At least one lifeguard on duty must be at least 21 years of age. Copies of the lifeguard's certification must be provided upon registration at camp. BSA policy requires a BSA Certified Aquatics Director and/or American Red Cross certified lifeguards (one of which is 21 years of age or older) on site whenever the aquatics facilities are open. | 2003.01.12 |
Swimming | Lifeguards | Dana | If the LSS has American Red Cross Certified Lifeguards (21 years of age or older) with current CPR certification from American Red Cross or American Heart Assn. we can open the pool longer using your lifeguards. Copies of photo ID and Certification cards need to be on file 30 days prior to the camp. | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Maudymo baseine // Pool hours and rules | Dana | The Old Baldy Council will provide lifeguards between the hours of 9:00am to 12:00 noon, and 2:00pm to 5:00pm daily at the pool. Pool rules will follow American Red Cross and BSA safety guidelines.
Please provide us with copies of any individual's photo ID and copies of current certification in American Red Cross Lifeguard, Standard First Aid, and CPR. With the appropriate documentation we will be able to open the pool additional hours using your Lifeguards. | 2003.01.12 Open issue |
Swimming | Potential objectives of program - Recreational swimming? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Potential objectives of program - Non-swimmer to swimmer program? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Potential objectives of program - BSA Swimming Merit Badge | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Potential objectives of program - LSS Boy Scouts Swimming Merit Badge. Can BSA accommodate? | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Potential objectives of program - BSA Lifesaving Merit Badge (no LSS equivalent) | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Potential objectives of program - Mile Swim | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Potential objectives of program - Polar Bear Swim | Dana | Yes | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Is the Polar Bear swim an early morning jump in the pool or is there more to it? | Dana | Yes it is both an early morning swim, and some silly antics our Aquatics Staff designs (available on a scheduled basis as it is conducted prior to breakfast). | April 16, 2003 |
Swimming | Potential objectives of program - Other? | Dana | Yes, snorkeling BSA, underwater basket weaving (really, we have a plan!). | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Underwater basket weaving and snorkeling sounds interesting. Any details? Cost? | Dana | Only the cost of the basketry kit. It's really quite entertaining for the spectators, and fun for the boys. | April 16, 2003 |
Swimming | Schedule? | Dana | All activities will be dependent upon number of scouts/leaders and time schedule. We will staff the pool from 9:00am to 12:00noon and again from 2:00pm to 5:00pm Monday - Saturday. If we work together we should be able to schedule all of the organized activities into the time blocks. | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Schedule? | Dana | The pool can run sessions with our staff from 8:30am to 12:30pm and again 2:00pm to 5:00pm Monday-Friday; Saturday from 8:30am to 12:30pm and again from 2:00pm to 5:00pm; Sunday it can be open with our staff from 2:00pm to 5:00pm. If you have lifeguards that meet the standards of 21+ years old with current American Red Cross Water Safety Instructor's Certification, American Red Cross Lifeguard Certification, American Red Cross Standard First Aid and CPR certification, we can keep the pool open longer hours, but it does need some down time for chemicals which would normally be put in around 5:00pm. | April 16, 2003 |
Swimming | Capacity limit per session? | Dana | Pool Capacity is 30 total at any given time. | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Length of session? | Dana | Depending on water temperature; 20 degrees Celsius = 20 minutes in the water, the warner the water the longer scouts are permitted to stay in it. Maximum time 45 sessions per BSA Aquatics Program Management Guidelines. (Program and Property Management Guidelines, NCS) | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Prerequisites? | Dana | Swim tests can be done when the campers arrive at the pool for the first time, on Monday for those arriving over the weekend on Sunday. This can be scheduled in time blocks to keep it simple, possibly in 30-40 minute blocks. | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Is there a minimum age requirement? | Dana | No minimum age requirements, only swimming ability levels. Swimming merit badge requires competent swimmers and lifesaving merit badge requires strong swimmers with good endurance. | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | What alternative activities will be available for those too young to participate? | Dana | We can provide time blocks for recreational swimming for those younger children, non-swimmers, etc. Parents or adult leaders need to be present with their younger non-swimmer children, no child will be allowed in water deeper than their chest level unless they are competent swimmers. | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Any minimum/maximum physical requirements (e.g. minimum height, maximum weight)? | Dana | Only ability levels. | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | Will handicapped scouts (e.g. vision, hearing, wheelchair, Down syndrome) be able to participate? (not sure if anyone is handicapped) | Dana | Yes, we need to know in advance to make preparations. We have limited facilities, but if the child can get into the pool without assistance, he/she will need to have an adult with them at all times while in the pool area. | March 23, 2003 |
Swimming | The "young family group" will have toddlers and small children. Can kids in diapers use the pool? | Dana | The pool can only be used with children who are potty trained. Should an accident occur in the pool it costs nearly $2000 dollars to drain, clean, and refill the pool and takes about 2 days. It's not fun for the staff or the campers. | April 16, 2003 |
Swimming - end | ||||
Swimming - Water Activities | Iskylos i Big Bear ezera // Activities on Big bear Lake. | Activities available from private vendors on Big Bear Lake include; jet skiing, water skiing, canoeing, kayaking, motor boating, fishing. | ||
Transportation | Kas bus transporto koordinatorius? // Who will be the chief transportation officer? | |||
Volleyball - BSA Supported Activity | ||||
Volleyball | General info? | Dana | We have a sand volleyball area with a net and balls available. | April 16, 2003 |
Volleyball | Potential objectives of program - Recreational volleyball? | Dana | Ball and net will be provided. | March 23, 2003 |
Volleyball | Potential objectives of program - Tournament? | Dana | If adults are available to staff the area, tournament play can be arranged. | March 23, 2003 |
Volleyball | Capacity limit per session? | Dana | Maximum of 6 players on each side of the net, total 12 per game. | March 23, 2003 |
Volleyball | Length of session? | Dana | Recreational games, 15-20 minutes, tournament play 30 minutes | March 23, 2003 |
Volleyball | Is there a minimum age requirement? | Dana | No | March 23, 2003 |
Volleyball | What alternative activities will be available for those too young to participate? | Dana | None | March 23, 2003 |
Volleyball | Any minimum/maximum physical requirements (e.g. minimum height, maximum weight)? | Dana | None | March 23, 2003 |
Volleyball | Will handicapped scouts (e.g. vision, hearing, wheelchair, Down syndrome) be able to participate? (not sure if anyone is handicapped) | Dana | Determined by adult assistance and degree of handicap | March 23, 2003 |
Volleyball - end | ||||
Woodcarving | Will the carving items ($5.00) be available at the Tradin' Post? Will carving tools be available for our use? Can LSS adults supervise these areas? Do they need to be qualified to supervise these activities? What are the qualification requirements? | Dana | Unfortunately, this is another program area not included in the contract. The trading post will carry a supply of wood carving projects, knives, etc. | April 16, 2003 |
www.skautai.com/jubi | Kas noretu tinklalapi paruosti? // Who would like to help with the web site? | |||
Fishing | Isskyrus Big Bear ezere, kur galima zuvauti? // Besides Big Bear Lake, where can scouts go fishing? Are there fish in the lake or pond in the middle of Holcomb Valley? What licenses are required for minors? Out-of-state minors? Adults? |
Tomas = Tomas Dundzila, Tadas = Tadas Dabsys, Vincas = Vincas Giedraitis, Dana = Dana Hudrlik (BSA Camp Director)