Ulicia Unruh and Teresa Q,'s Response to My Vision on Ezekiel 9
Click to go to our Home PageDear Reader, Below is Teresa Q.’s first
response to my vision on Ezekiel 9. She made this first response on Ulicia
Unruh’s forum which is found at the following link. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adventism_prophecy/ Their response was to my vision
and the corollary to it at the links below: https://omega77.tripod.com/ezekiel9one.htm https://omega77.tripod.com/matt22corollary12.htm I am presenting Teresa Q’s
statement just as she wrote it in her style of all small letters: teresa_q wrote: these people have pretty well taken over
sdaissues. they present when i demand a "thus saith the Lord" i
get ridicule and insults. i have seen several posts on this site that made
me believe that was Ron’s response: The accusation that we present our
message with tricky and cunning questions, deductions, out of context and
with propaganda, is totally untrue as our regular readers know very well.
They also know that I give ample evidence, an ample THUS SAITH THE LORD, for
everything I present. There are times that I apply the principles of
what Ellen White has said—out of the particular context she may have stated
them in—but that is exactly what Ellen White said to do. For example, she
wrote many Testimonies to specific persons, but she said that we should apply
the principles of those Testimonies to ourselves wherein they might apply.
Were that not her intention, then there would be a lot of material in the
Testimonies that would be of no use to anyone but the person she specifically
addressed, and who is now dead. Let me use another illustration as the how the
Bible enjoins the same advice. The principles of the issue involving Achan in
Joshua chapters 6 and 7, apply to all of us. The principle of corporate
responsibility for all who knew of his sin and died with him for his sin is
so important in its application to us. The malicious charge that our ministry has no
message that leads to God and salvation is purely as Satanic and evil as
misrepresentation of the facts can get. Teresa only recently joined SDA
issues to become acquainted with our ministry. She is speaking in
judgmentalism of things she knows nothing. On my Website and on any forum I
have participated in, I have presented knowledge of what Ellen White calls
the “highest good, crowning gift that heaven can bestow on man,” the gift of
the Holy Spirit, and the purpose of that gift in regenerating men back into
the image of God. I have dealt in all the issues involving gold tried in the
fire, which is faith that works by the indwelling self-sacrificing love of
Christ’s Divine Nature Holy Spirit. Any member of the forums on which I am a member,
knows that over the years I have discussed the salvific issues at great
length and have taken them to their deepest level. Teresa happened to arrive
on the forum when we were discussing the apostasy of the church, mainly
because of discussing the 50th
Anniversary Conference on the book Questions
on Doctrine, which was conducted at Andrews University last October (07),
and the many papers that were presented at that conference. More Statements and Quotes Posted by Teresa Q: ----- Original Message ----- From: teresa_q Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: [SDAIssues] follow only God-1 We must study the truth for ourselves. No living
man should be relied upon to think for us. No matter who it is, or in what
position he may be placed, we are not to look upon any man as a perfect
criterion for us. We are to counsel together, and to be subject to the same
time we are to exercise the ability God Ron responds: Of course we should study for
ourselves. It is interesting that Teresa did not study out the Ezekiel 9
issue for herself. She relied on the findings of her errant leaders and one
Ulicia Unruh and her minister husband, Ole Unruh, who is an SDA minister in
northern And what did Ulicia and Teresa do when confronted
with the gross miss-teachings on Ezekiel 9 in the SDA Bible Commentary? They
responded as you will see in this document. Is that honest treatment of an
important issue that involves the very judgment of God’s people? I will leave
the answer of that question to the reader. End comment. Ron responds: It is very true that God does not
pass His people by and choose one solitary man here and another there as
vessels entrusted with His truth. But God has given messengers truth for His people
in every age. Ellen White was a solitary woman who was shown things in
vision. All the prophets were solitary men who were told to say certain
things to God’s people. The important thing is that new light builds upon the
old and does not contradict it. And, I am not the only man who is teaching as
I do. There are many now who have seen the same things. Dr.’s Ralph Larson
and John Grosboll, have both said that the church has committed unpardonable
sin. M.L. Andreasen recognized the Omega Heresy in 1957. God has sent true reformers in every succeeding
generation to warn His people—Desire of
Ages, 232. Chapter 1 of The Great
Controversy, you will read that God sent true prophets to warn the people
of the destruction of apostate “For the leaders of this people cause them to
err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.” Isaiah 9:16. “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the
blind. And if the blind led the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” Matt.
15:14. That is exactly what occurred in the prefigure of
A.D. 27-70. All who followed the apostate leaders in lieu of Christ and the
true reformer leaders, fell into the ditch and were destroyed by slaughter.
That is why I try to warn my people today, that they might avoid the same
course. But alas, most of them hate me for sounding the warning because it
would upset their status quo if they should heed the warning. End note. “Let none be self confident, as though God
had given them special light above their brethren. Christ is represented as
dwelling in His people; and believers, as "built upon the foundation of
the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone;
in whom all the building, fitly framed together, groweth unto a holy temple
in the Lord; in whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God
through the Spirit." "I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord,"
says Paul, "beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye
are called, with all lowliness and meekness, Ron responds: It is interesting that I really claim no new light. What
I present to professing Seventh-day Adventists is light that has lain there
for decades without anyone seeing it. For example, the word “prefigure” has
been on p. 25 of The Great Controversy,
for many decades, but because the dull senses of God’s sleeping people did
not notice that word and/or investigate the full meaning of it as applied to
SDA’s, precious and life-saving light has gone unnoticed or misinterpreted.
That word has been applied only to the destruction of the world, when God’s
Word plainly sys that the destruction BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY, Ezekiel 9:6,
and Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. And
after I point this out, reprobate and stiff-necked SDA’s still say it applies
only to the world, failing to recognize that “Jerusalem” is the church, not
the world and God’s admonition that judgment begins at the house of God. As regards unity and peace, I keep reminding dull sensed minds that
Ellen White has more to say about unity than they present: "We are to unify, but not on a
platform of error." E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, #2,
p. 47. "It is impossible for you
to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14, 15 quoted). God
and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with
the corrupt he will become corrupt." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137. "We have a testing message to
give, and I am instructed to say to our people, 'Unify, unify.' But we are
not to unify with those who are departing from the faith, giving heed to
seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. With our hearts sweet and kind
and true, we are to go forth to proclaim the message, giving no heed to those
who lead away from the truth." Selected Messages, Bk. 3, p. 412
Series B, No. 2, p. 47. "Between the worldly man
and the one who is faithfully serving God, there is a great gulf fixed. Upon
the most momentous subjects,--God and truth and eternity,--their thoughts and
sympathies and feelings are not in harmony. One class is ripening as wheat
for the garner of God, the other as tares for the fires of destruction. How
can there be unity of purpose or action between them? " E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 6, p. 53. One does not have to leave the church
to depart from the faith of the pioneers and teach doctrines of devils. Spiritualism has entered the church
according to the Pacific Union Conference President, Mostert, no less. Karl has read his book. He knows whereof I speak. Does he believe his own leader? Do you? A More Complete Presentation of Ellen White on Unity of the Church "To secure peace and unity they were ready to make any
concession consistent with fidelity to God but they felt that even peace would
be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice of principle. If unity could be
secured only by the compromise of truth and righteousness, then let there be
difference, and even war." (Great Controversy, p. 45). "Christ
calls for unity. But He does not call
for us to unify on wrong practices.
The God of heaven draws a sharp contrast between pure, elevating,
ennobling truth and false, misleading doctrines." 1SM 175. "The world must not be introduced into the church, and
married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church
will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of every
unclean and hateful bird. [Language Rev. 18:2 uses to define Testimonies
to Ministers, p. 265. “Those who have been regarded as worthy and righteous prove to be
ring-leaders in apostasy...” (Ellen G. White, Testimonies, vol. 5, p. "Sins
exist in the church that God hates, but they are scarcely touched for fear of
making enemies. Opposition has risen
in the church to the plain testimony. Some will not bear it. They wish smooth things spoken unto
them. And if the wrongs of individuals
are touched, they complain of severity, and sympathize with those in the
wrong." SG Vol. 2 283 "God
calls for men of decided fidelity. He
has no use in an emergency for two-sided men.
He wants man who will lay their hand upon a wrong work and say, 'This
is not according to the will of God.'" 2SM 152, 153. "Jesus prayed that his followers
might be one; but we are not to sacrifice the truth in order to secure this
union, for we are to be sanctified through the truth.... Men would try to effect unity through
concession to popular opinion, through compromise with the world, a sacrifice
of vital godliness. But truth is God's
basis for the unity of his people." 2RH 560 "To secure peace and unity they
were ready to make any concession consistent with fidelity to God but they
felt that even peace would be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice of
principle. If unity could be secured only by the compromise of truth and
righteousness, then let there be difference, and even war" (Great
Controversy, p. 45). "While others try to throw a
cloak over the existing evil, and excuse the great wickedness everywhere
prevalent, those who have a zeal for God's honor and a love for souls will
not hold their peace to obtain favor of any. Their righteous souls are vexed
day by day with the unholy works and conversation of the unrighteous. They
are powerless to stop the rushing torrent of iniquity, and hence they are
filled with grief and alarm. They mourn before God to see religion despised
in the very homes of those who have had great light. They lament and afflict
their souls because pride, avarice, selfishness, and deception of almost
every kind are in the church. The Spirit of God, which prompts to reproof, is
trampled underfoot, while the servants of Satan triumph. God is dishonored,
the truth made of none effect" (Testimonies, Vol. 5, pp. 210,
211). "The same disobedience and
failure which were seen in the Jewish church have characterized in a greater
degree the people who have had this great light from heaven in the last
messages of warning" (Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 456). "Confederacies will increase in
number and power as we draw nearer to the end of time. These confederacies
will create opposing influences to the truth, forming new parties of
professed believers who will act out their own delusive theories. The
apostasy will increase. 'Some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to
seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.' Men and women have confederated
to oppose the Lord God of heaven, and the church is only half awake to the
situation. There needs to be much more prayer, much more of earnest effort,
among professed believers." --Review and Herald, Aug. 5, 1909,
(Evangelism p. 363) We will leave it to the reader to
decide whether the inspired words quoted above are best summarized by the
words, "There is apostasy in the For leaders to suggest that there is
apostasy in the church but that the church is not in apostasy provides an
escape from personal responsibility to address the serious overall spiritual
condition of God's people. It leaves the impression that leaders need only to
address isolated cases of apostasy, but that in general, the members and the
organizational system are in good spiritual standing. This no doubt, is the
reason that leadership have made no strong efforts to lead the worldwide "Ah sinful nation, a people laden
with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have
forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they
are gone away backward. Why should ye be stricken any more? Ye will revolt
more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the
sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it but wounds,
and bruises, and putrefying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound
up, neither mollified with ointment" (Isaiah 1:4-6). This tragic picture of God's church is
heart-rending. Are we to believe that this text does not apply to God's
church today? Let us allow God to answer that question through Ellen White: "The prophets of God spoke less for their own time than for
the ages to come, and especially for the generation that would live amid the
last scenes of this earth's history" (Signs of the Times, "The Way,
the Truth, and the Life," No. 2, January 13, 1898, par. 8). Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of
Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ hath both the
Father and the Son. If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine,
receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that
biddeth him God speed is a partaker of his evil deed." 2 John 9-11. End Ron’s comments. Ron’s response: When apostasy reaches a certain titer, which the Word
of God and the Spirit of Prophecy defines, it is not starting “erratic ideas”
to respond to the apostasy as God directs. Nor is such council “special
light.” It is in the Word by precept and example for those who will see and
discern what God’s Word says. I want to give special attention to the above
statement by Teresa, because Ulicia has used it against me many times. Please consider the same CW statement in
application to Ulicia and Ole Unruh, and the leaders who are ring leaders in
apostasy: ·
In Testimonies to Ministers,
p. 125, it says: "Satan has COME IN with his
specious temptations, and has led the professed followers of Christ away from
the [PILOT] Leader (Christ), classing them with the foolish virgins." Testimonies
to Ministers, p. 130. ·
Ulicia and Teresa both have quoted gross error by SDA leaders in the SDA Bible Commentary, on the proper
application of Ezekiel 9. The commentary says that ·
They are ALL ignorant and unfaithful watchmen, Isaiah 56:10-12, whom
ALL cannot understand. ·
Ezekiel accuses them of divining lies. ·
The writer’s of the Commentaries divined lies about Ezekiel 9, because
they had to say it has a future application, and they did not want it to be
associated with what Ellen White called a prefigure—the experience of Israel
from A.D. 27-70, in which there was a coming out of the apostate Jewish
church to the true reformer people of God—Jesus and His disciples. ·
They knew that sooner or later someone would make the connection
between Ellen White calling A.D. 27-70 a prefigure type and her saying that
Ezekiel 9 would be literally fulfilled again. They knew that the only logical
conclusion to that fact of history would involve another coming out, just as
occurred in the PREFIGURE TYPE. So they did just like some Catholic
preterists have done—they relegated Ezekiel 9 as to having been fulfilled
centuries earlier under the final sieges of Nebuchadnezzar. That is a total
and colossal falsehood and for 35 SDA leaders to miss that error is a gross
abomination, for the consequences are so serious. Many Jews failed to follow
Jesus and the reformers, because their leader called him Beelzebub, just like
SDA leaders and laity call the true reformers of today satanic and all manner
of evil epithets. ·
The SDA Bible Commentary, in commenting on Ezekiel
9, says on page 568: “Strange to say, it was the leaders of Is that not a “strange saying” for SDA
leaders to make, when they have degrees in theology and should know something
that basic—that it was indeed the leaders who led the people astray. That is
sandbox theology in light of the historical record of the Old and New
Testament! End comments. Ron responds: Teresa and Ulicia present the
above statement as though we are to submit to the judgement of the leaders NO
MATTER WHAT THEY DO! Where is biblical precedent for that? Is that what Jesus
and His disciples did in the PREFIGURE apostasy of In
the case of the Omega Heresy of 1957, committed by the professing Seventh-day
Adventist church, M.L. Andreasen submitted his light to the leaders. What
happened? His credentials were removed! They were returned posthumously! When
Dr. Ralph Larson submitted his light to the church on the nature of Christ,
what happened? His credentials were removed not long before his death. When
Dr. John Grosboll submitted his findings to the church, what happened to him?
He was disfranchised—his credentials were removed. In the case of the true reformers of every succeeding
generation since Christ, DA 232, they did indeed submit their light to the
experienced brethren, as did I, but that light has always been rejected. What
then? Does Ellen White say in DA 232, that the true reformers of every
succeeding generation since Christ, yielded to the judgment of the leaders
when their light was spurned? Nay friend, nay! And, in the PREFIGURE of the
apostate Jewish church, did Jesus and the disciples yield to the errors of
the “multitude of counsellors,” in the Sanhedrin? Was their safety in their
counsel? So once again friend, we get into the principle of TIME, PLACE AND
CIRCUMSTANCE. We are to consult with and yield to the brethren of experience
ONLY when their “EXPERIENCE” DOES NOT COUNTERMAND THE WORD OF GOD AND THE SPIRIT
OF PROPHECY. Here is counsel in that direction: Regular lines - “So often the same old
difficulties arise and are presented in regard to disturbing the ‘regular
lines.’ But God will work in some way to make His people understand that THE
REGULAR LINES HAVE BECOME FULL OF IRREGULAR PRACTICES…God alone can make men
understand that working on REGULAR LINES has led to IRREGULAR PRACTICES. God alone can make men’s minds as they
should be. The time has come when we
should hear less in favor of the REGULAR LINES. If we can GET AWAY FROM THE REGULAR LINES
into something which, THOUGH IRREGULAR, IS AFTER GOD’S ORDER, it may cut away
something of the IRREGULAR WORKING which has led away from Bible principles.” E.G. White, Manuscript Release, #1450, p. 3,
4, 1901. “When we see the regular lines are
altered and purified and refined, and the God of the heavens mold is upon the
regular lines, then it is our business to establish the regular lines.” E.G. White, Spaulding-Magan Collection, p. 162-168. “The present showing is sufficient to
prove to all who have the true missionary spirit that the regular lines
[organization] may prove to be a failure.”
E.G. White, Spaulding-Magan
Collection, p. 175. Written to Brother
Daniels, June 28, 1901. “The regular lines had need to be
broken as a potter’s vessel is broken, and reconstructed.” Ms. 29,
1903. pp. 1, 3 (General Manuscript, The
Southern Work, undated). "There are fearful woes
for those who preach the truth, but are not sanctified by it, and also for those
who consent to receive and maintain the unsanctified to minister to them in
word and doctrine."
Testimonies, vol. 1, p 261-62 In Desire
of Ages, 232, Ellen White gives only ONE
REASON as to why true reformers have left the churches of their father’s
in every succeeding generation since Christ. That ONE REASON is because the ecclesiastical leaders would not
tolerate light. That is a huge sign to leave any church, for that is a
huge sign of apostasy on the part of the leaders of any church! That is the
reason Jesus and His disciples left. That is the reason Paul left the church
of his fathers. That is the reason faithful Jews left way back in Jeremiah’s
day, Jer. 11:15. "The third angel's message will
not be comprehended, the light which will lighten the earth with its glory
will be called a false light, by those who refuse to walk in its advancing
glory." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, 5-27-1890, p. 321. "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to
Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a
religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the
reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the
apostles." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. "The
Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore
Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious
leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another
class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the
gospel to all nations. As the
light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the
days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again
and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from "And as they persisted in their
rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue and spake
boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things
concerning the "Fearing that the faith of the
believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of
the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a
distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the
Apostles, p. 286. Paul left "And as they persisted in their
rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue and spake
boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things
concerning the "The recreant priests added
licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted
by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to
come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Ulicia Unruh’s Response to my Vision on
Ezekiel 9 Here are Ulicia Unruh’s responses right after I posted my vision on
Ezekiel 9 and how the leaders slaughtered the true time-lines of the historic
fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, as well as who the players were—They said the
Chaldeans fulfilled Ezekiel 9, when in reality it was the Romans after the
probation of Israel closed in A.D. 34. They admit it was after the close of
Israel’s probation, and then say that Ezekiel 9 was fulfilled by the siege of
the Chaldeans (Babylonians) under Nebuchadnezzar, some 5-600 years before
Israel’s probation closed, when in reality, Ezekiel 9 was fulfilled 36 years
after the close of Israel’s probation by the Romans under Titus. That is an
abomination! There is no excuse for such gross error. --- In
adventism_prophecy@yahoogroups.com, "Ulicia" <mydedication2000@... wrote: PLEASE be careful what you read concerning
Ezekiel 8 and 9 from Ron responds: Please be MOST CAREFUL what you
read and hear concerning Ezekiel 8 and 9 from the new movement, new organization,
masquerading as the Seventh-day Adventist church, for 35 of their most
illustrious theologians got it wrong! Jonathan you took that summary quote straight
from THEIR website, it was not your STUDY of 5T 207-216. Ron responds: Ulicia, you have taken your
summary quotes straight from the SDA Bible Commentary and your errant leaders
and have used them to trump the Bible, Ellen White, and history on the
timeline for Ezekiel 9 and who executed it. End response by Ron. Personally I am fearful DUE TO PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE with people who Ron responds: What we LOVE is people—men, maidens
and little children, who will be slaughtered because you are fearful of those
who love God’s people enough to risk life and everything they have to warn
them. There's the Shepherd Rod that believe the
Seventh-day Adventists will all be slaughtered prior to "the loud
cry" which they (the supposed selected 144,000) will give. Talk about
"BEWARE OF ANGELS" -- the Shepherd Rod belief is the most scary --
for they believe the angels will direct this slaughter. Ron responds: Ellen White said that every reform
movement has been accompanied with false movements, including 1844. I am sure
that in circa 1844, there were dishonest folk like you warning of the dangers
of joining the true reformer Adventists, just as there were such folk in the
Catholic church in the Reformation. I have never taught that SDA’s will be
slaughtered prior to the loud cry. I have always taught that it will occur
exactly when Ellen White says it will occur—in the general destruction of the
wicked BUT BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, Ezekiel 5:14-16; Ezekiel 9:6, and Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. But even closer than the Shepherd Rod people. I
have relatives who read independent writings as gospel truth and base their
beliefs on those chapters in Ezekiel and who also believe THEY HEAR DIRECT
VOICES FROM GOD. They have told such lies about us -- accusing us of doing
things we have never even imagined doing and saying GOD TOLD THEM, that it
scares me! They have even attempted to turn our children against us and
convinced one of them that she shouldn't go to church anymore. So now she goes shopping instead! As far as they are concerned we will be
slaughtered shortly. Ron responds: Just because you have relatives who
have sided with the wrong reformer element(s), that will not excuse you for
berating the true reformers who are giving the full truth. Not everyone who
believes the truth on Ezekiel 9, hears direct voices from God. Not everyone
who believes the truth on Ezekiel 9, tells lies. But you and your leaders
have told lies about when Ezekiel 9 occurred and who executed it in the
prefigure type of They've even threatened my mother that unless she
follows their directions and leaves the church God will strike down her
"supporters". AND THESE ARE very religious --I had considerable
love and respect for them until they started telling things they heard from
"god" which I know beyond any doubt ARE NOT Ron responds:
Ulicia, you are listening to the wrong “angels.” You are listening to
and quoting men whom God has said are leading His people to destruction. Why
don’t you fear those men who are leading your church. BEWARE! Why are you not
afraid of the following admonitions of Scripture, when God and Ellen White both
say that all the ancient prophets wrote more for us than the Jews of old: “For the leaders of this people cause them to
err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.” Isaiah 9:16. “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the
blind. And if the blind led the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” Matt.
15:14. Why, pray tell, are you not afraid of such men
who are leading your new movement, new organization, Omega Heresy church?
Why? Is it because your own husband is one of them? End comment by Ron. Yes, Ezekiel is a great book and I do think we
should study it. But it is being MISUSED by independents to the point that I
believe we have more to fear from physical harm from them at the beginning of
the time of trouble than from the Sunday laws. In fact I fear that they will
to a great degree heap the contempt Ron responds: My vision show irrefutable evidence
that your SDA leaders have lied about when and by whom Ezekiel 9 was
perpetrated in the PREFIGURE, and in a way that appears that they were indeed
trying to destroy the PREFIGURE example we have in the case of God’s dealings
with the apostasy of the Jews from A.D. 27-70. Thirty-five (COUNT THEM IN THE
PREFACE TO VOLUME ONE) of your foremost leaders lied about Ezekiel 9 in 1957,
and that lie has not been corrected in forthcoming new printings of the SDA
Bible Commentary. That is something to fear. If they will lie about something
as serious as Ezekiel 9, what else are thy lying about, and God says that
they DIVINE LIES. Yet this does not seem to trouble you in the least. Why
Ulicia? Why?! When God did not spare is first “chosen” but finally apostate
people, He did not spare them. Will He spare you and those who defend serious
error, as you do? End Ron’s comment. PLEASE READ THE FULL CONTEXT OF THE FINAL
FULFILLMENT OF EZEKIEL 9 p. 208
[Testimonies, Vol. 5 cited]
"Jesus is about to leave the mercy seat of the heavenly So the "wrath" will be poured out AFTER
Jesus leaves the mercy seat. p. 209 Ron responds: The Shepherd’s Rod is totally
errant as to when Ezekiel 9 will be executed, but that does not mean that it
is not a PREFIGURE, typing what occurred in A.D. 27-70, and demanding another
coming out in its antitypical fulfillment, which Ellen White said was
LITERAL. Any literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, demands another coming out of
a remnant, because that is EXACTLY what occurred in the last fulfillment of
Ezekiel 9. You and your leaders have tried to hide this fact by distorting
the true history of the occurrence of Ezekiel 9, A.D. 27-70, when it was
finally executed by the Romans, and not the Chaldeans, as you and your
leaders have taught and continue to teach. The fact of when Ezekiel 9 occurs is not the real
important factor. The fact that it occurs at all is the important truth.
Ellen White has said that the church will instruct its members to keep
Sunday, so the new movement “church,” which is really the Synagogue of Satan,
just as Jesus referred to the Jewish apostate church, will be around to be
destroyed at the end time—BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY. As the PREFIGURE
involved a literal sanctuary, so will the antitypical fulfillment involve
literal “sda” sanctuaries around the world. End Ron’s note. "But that
which causes me to tremble is the fact that those who have had the greatest light and privileges
have become contaminated by the prevailing iniquity. Influenced by the
unrighteous around them, many, even of those who profess the truth, have
grown cold and are borne down by the strong current of evil....As the
disrespect for God's law becomes more manifest, the line of demarcation
between its observers and the world becomes more distinct. Love for the
divine precepts increases with one class according as contempt for them
increases with another class." Indeed those who follow evil will not receive the
seal of God, p.209 Ron’s response: Here are some of my “tricky,
cunning questions:” · Who are those who have had the greatest light and
privileges, but have been contaminated with the prevailing iniquity? · Who does Ellen White say have been influenced by
the unrighteous around them and have grown cold, and are steadily retreating
toward · She indicts those who profess the truth. · The line of demarcation between Adventists and the
world is barely distinguishable. "The leaven of godliness has not
entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the
church are greatest, the little company who are standing in the light will be
sighing and crying for the · God indicts the leaders as casting contempt on
the real truth for this time. And you have expressed the same contempt. End
Ron’s note. "The leaven of godliness has not entirely
lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the church are
greatest, the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing
and crying for the Ron responds: The time when the danger and
depression of the church is greatest is when the National Sunday law arrives
and the Great Time of Jacob’s Trouble right at the end. What are the MEMBERS
of your church doing? After the manner of the world. So we see two sides WITHIN the church -- The
"sighing and crying" is praying FOR the church not calling Ron responds: Ulicia, I am going to prove from
God’s Word that sighing and crying is NOT just praying for the church. That
is not all Jesus did. That is not all the disciples did in the PREFIGURE TYPE.
Is it? You know better! You know Isaiah 58:1 as well as I do and Ellen White
says that entire chapter is our work. You know Ezekiel chapters 2 and 3 as
well as I do—that if we do not warn our brother that his blood will be on our
back. You are teaching a terrible peace and safety lie Ulicia in saying: “The
sighing and crying” is praying FOR the church not calling people out of it.
You are admonishing AGAINST the very course that Jesus and His disciples took
in the PREFIGURE of Ezekiel 9. Obviously,
the little company who is standing in the light and sighing and crying for
all the abominations that are done in the church and in the land, ARE NOT
MEMBERS of the church, because the MEMBERS are doing after the manner of the
world. So, you have misinterpreted once again Ulicia. Your interpretation
does not fit the facts of the quote you cite or the PREFIGURE of A.D. 27-70,
when in fact the true Christians came out of Apostate Israel. That type
demands a similar course in the antitype. "The earnest prayers of this faithful few
will not be in vain. When the Lord comes forth as an avenger, He will also
come as a protector of all those who have preserved the faith in its purity
and kept themselves unspotted from the world. It is at this time that God has
promised to avenge His own elect which cry day and night unto Him, though He
bear long with them. {5T 210.1} "Then
they began at the ancient men which were before the house." Here we see that the church--the Lord's
sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had
given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual Ron responds: The world is not the Lord’s
Sanctuary. The Lord’s Sanctuary is supposed to be spiritual AND WHEN WILL THIS BE? For a clear answer look in Great Controversy p.
560-565 Here we are at the end of the "Time of
Trouble". God has stepped in to
deliver His people from the death degree and revealed His law from the sky. Ron responds: SDA’s seem to think because the
slaughter is delayed until the very end of time, that everything is o.k. now.
That is a peace and safety misconception. Every member of THIS GENERATION is
just as responsible for the apostasy in THIS GENERATION as Another parallel to the PREFIGURE statement of
Ellen White is her COUNTERPART statements and her repeat of Matthew 22:1-10,
in Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1, pp.
4-10. Here are the COUNTERPART statements relative to Jeremiah 7 and 11,
where God tells Jeremiah not to pray for the apostate Jews. The only people
who could possibly COUNTERPART the Jews, would be a people who: · Claim to be a chosen people. · Claim to be a remnant people. · Claim to keep the commandments of God. COUNTERPART: "The
Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither
lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will
not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth
this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests
bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do
in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them,
every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest,
every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of
my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of
things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of
godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased
to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their
hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within
her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these
self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth
in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring
their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath
Herald,
11-07-82. "Shall
the Lord be compelled to say, `Pray
not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither
make intercession to Me: for I will not hear thee' [Jeremiah 7:16]?
`Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain....Wilt thou not from
this time cry unto Me, My Father, thou art the guide of my youth' [Jeremiah
3:3-4]?... We are to be judged by
the light that has been given us, and we can find no excuse by which to extenuate
our course." Review and Herald, Vol. 3, p 69-70 (August 1, 1893).
(Brackets by Ellen White) COUNTERPART: "In
the time of the Saviour, the Jews had so covered over the precious jewels of
truth with the rubbish of tradition and fable, that it was impossible to
distinguish the true from the false. The Saviour came to clear away the
rubbish of superstition and long-cherished errors, and to set the jewels of
God's word in the framework of truth. What
would the Saviour do if he should come to us now as he did to the Jews? He
would have to do a similar work in clearing away the rubbish of tradition and
ceremony. The Jews were greatly disturbed when he did this work [As are
SDAs today!]. They had lost sight of the original truth of God, but Christ
brought it again to view. It is our work to free the precious truths of God
from superstition and error." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 308. COUNTERPART:
“The apostles declare that this
state of things will find its counterpart
in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny
the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed
at their state. They say in their hearts, "The church is flourishing.
Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders." The words of the
prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, "They have chosen their
own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose
their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." {RH,
November 7, 1882 par. 9}. "When the voice of God turns the captivity
of His people, there is a terrible awakening of those who have lost all in
the great conflict of life. (GC 653) "The minister who has sacrificed truth to
gain the favor of men now discerns the character and influence of his
teachings. (GC 654) Ron responds: Ulicia and Ole, are you sacrificing
truth in order to gain the favour of men? In order to keep the gravy train
moving? “The people see that they have been deluded. They
accuse one another of having led them to destruction; but all unite in
heaping their bitterest condemnation upon the ministers. Unfaithful pastors
have prophesied smooth things; they have led their hearers to make void the
law of God and to persecute those who would keep it holy. Now, in their
despair, these teachers confess before the world their work of deception. The Ron responds: Sooner or later Ulicia, Ole, and
Teresa, the people you are misleading will see that they have been deluded by
you. They will praise you now, because, like you, they like peace and safety,
but someday they will heap their bitterest condemnation upon you and
especially you Ole, as a minister. You have most likely misled your wife, Ulicia.
You have failed her, your children, and all whom you minister to. They will
all condemn you in the end for deluding them concerning the truth. But you
know what Ulicia, Ole and Teresa, God indicts the ministers for unbelief (5T
211). The reason they do not tell you what I am telling you, is because they
really don’t BELIEVE period. God says that they are in it for the money—for
hire, priests for hire. Check it all out in His Word. They are timeservers,
hoping that I am wrong and that time will go on and things will be better
tomorrow than today, Isaiah 56:10-12. End Ron’s note. "The mark of deliverance has been set upon
those "that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be
done." Now the angel of death goes forth, represented in Ezekiel's vision
by the men with the slaughtering weapons, to whom the command is given:
"Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women:
but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at My
sanctuary." Says the prophet: "They began at the ancient men which
were before the house." Ezekiel 9:1-6. Ron responds: Ulicia, you have not done thorough
work. You have not given Ellen White’s full description of those who sigh and
cry. You have said that sighing and crying means only praying for the members
of the church. That is not true Ulicia. Here is the truth of the matter: “These sighing, crying ones had been holding
forth the words of life; they had REPROVED, COUNSELED, AND ENTREATED. Some
who had been dishonouring God repented and humbled their hearts before Him. But the glory of the Lord had departed
from The work of destruction begins among those who
have professed to be the spiritual guardians of the people. The false
watchmen are the first to fall. There are none to pity or to spare. Men,
women, maidens, and little children perish together. {GC 656.2} Ron responds: Many SDA’s believe that the bad
will be shaken out of the church militant to leave it purged and purified.
That is not the case. That church becomes a counterpart to the apostate
Jewish church. It is paraded before the world, Ezekiel 5, and made a taunt
and an instruction to what God does to a people who had the truth and forsook
it. Ellen White says that church’s leaders will instruct its members to keep
Sunday sacred. "The
Lord has a controversy with his professed people in these last days. In this
controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite
to that pursued by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the
Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it
beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition. In churches and in large
gatherings in the open air, ministers, will urge upon the people the
necessity of keeping the first day of the week." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, Vol. 1, p. 405, col. 3. End note by Ron. "They will fall in the general destruction
of the wicked, represented by the work of the five men bearing slaughter
weapons. Mark this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth,
wrought in them by Ron responds: Though Ulicia does not say it
outright, the effort seems to be to make it appear that God DOES NOT begin at
the SDA churches, His apostate Sanctuary, All His blessings, Ron Beaulieu |