Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:12:29 +0000
From: bush_stole_election@fastmail.fm ("Mr.Liberal")
Subject: [azpeace] Fwd: [alts2war] Israeli Refuseniks on 60 minutes this Sunday
To: azpeace@yahoogroups.com
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On Sat, 4 May 2002 10:36:23 EDT, Familywork90@aol.com said:
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> As some of you know, the Reservists will be on 60 Minutes Sunday night
> (May 5, 2002) at 7:00 PM EST (I don't know if the schedule is the same
> on
> the West Coast). Below is the intro to the piece from te 60 Minutes
> Web
> Site:
>
> (CBS) Yaniv Iczkovics and David Zonsheine, Israeli paratroopers, served
> a tour in the Gaza Strip last December, and say their presence there
> caused impoverished Palestinians additional hardship.
>
> Thats why they are leading a 450-strong group of Israeli soldiers
> who
> wont fight in Gaza or the West Bank, reports correspondent Bob
> Simon,
> who interviewed the two in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv for 60 Minutes. The
> interview is to be aired Sunday, May 5, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
>
> Members of the group are considered heroes by some and traitors by
> others.
>
> I felt like what I was doing was wrong, says Iczkovics. Our
> presence
> there simply causes an impossible situation for their normal life.
> The two
> discussed their reservations among other soldiers and eventually more
> joined their movement to refuse to fight in the Occupied Territories.
>
> Amit Mashiah tells Simon of a confrontation with an old Palestinian
> woman,
> an incident that he said helped convince him to become a Refusenik.
>
> There was an old lady who ran to me and spat in my face. Its a
> dangerous
> situation. Youve got your soldiers behind you seeing youve been
> spat in
> the face and what do you do? Mashiah asks. He tells Simon that he
> shoved her real hard, and says it was worse for him to shove her
> than
> it was to have been spat upon. It was a terrible thing to do, he
> says.
>
> The Refuseniks have caused no shortage of soldiers in Israel. In fact,
> many
> more volunteers have emerged since the Palestinian suicide bombings
> were
> stepped up. Their numbers are small, but because many come from elite
> units, they must be taken seriously, says Dr. Yoram Ezrahi, a political
> scientist.
>
> The leadership cannot afford to ignore [Refuseniks], says Ezrahi,
> who
> has served as a strategic analyst for the Israeli Army chief of staff.
> My
> impression was that the leaders of the Israeli Army are definitely
> taking
> this message veryseriously.
>
But a member of Prime Minister Ariel Sharons cabinet says that among
> the Israeli people, the Refuseniks are an aberration, an embarrassment
> to Israel. They are objectors without any conscience, says Limor
> Livnat.
> I believe that the vast majority of Israelis really believe that now
> we have
> todefend ourselvesmake sure that there will be no bombers any
> more.
>
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 15:05:26 -0400
Subject: [AriseAction] Israeli Refuseniks on 60 minutes this Sunday
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As some of you know, the Reservists will be on 60 Minutes Sunday night
(May
5, 2002) at 7:00 PM EST (I don't know if the schedule is the same on
the
West Coast). Below is the intro to the piece from the 60 Minutes Web
Site:
(CBS) Yaniv Iczkovics and David Zonsheine, Israeli paratroopers, served
a
tour in the Gaza Strip last December and say their presence there
caused
impoverished Palestinians additional hardship.
Thats why they are leading a 450-strong group of Israeli soldiers
who wont
fight in Gaza or the West Bank, reports correspondent Bob Simon, who
interviewed the two in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv for 60 Minutes. The
interview
is to be aired Sunday, May 5, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
Members of the group are considered heroes by some and traitors by
others.
I felt like what I was doing was wrong, says Iczkovics. Our
presence
there simply causes an impossible situation for their normal life.
The two
discussed their reservations among other soldiers and eventually more
joined
their movement to refuse to fight in the Occupied Territories.
Amit Mashiah tells Simon of a confrontation with an old Palestinian
woman an
incident that he said helped convince him to become a Refusenik.
There was an old lady who ran to me and spat in my face. Its a
dangerous
situation. Youve got your soldiers behind you seeing youve been
spat in
the face and what do you do? Mashiah asks. He tells Simon that he
shoved
her real hard, and says it was worse for him to shove her than it
was to
have been spat upon. It was a terrible thing to do, he says.
The Refuseniks have caused no shortage of soldiers in Israel. In fact,
many
more volunteers have emerged since the Palestinian suicide bombings
were
stepped up. Their numbers are small, but because many come from elite
units,
they must be taken seriously, says Dr. Yoram Ezrahi, a political
scientist.
The leadership cannot afford to ignore [Refuseniks], says Ezrahi,
who has
served as a strategic analyst for the Israeli Army chief of staff.
My
impression was that the leaders of the Israeli Army are definitely
taking
this message veryseriously.
But a member of Prime Minister Ariel Sharons cabinet says that among
the
Israeli people, the Refuseniks are an aberration, an embarrassment to
Israel. They are objectors without any conscience, says Limor
Livnat. I
believe that the vast majority of Israelis really believe that now we
have
todefend ourselvesmake sure that there will be no bombers any
more.
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