The Class Page is up. It's at:
http://216.71.27.184/vu/
and:
http://members.xoom.com/silverlf/

Subject: HTML-Haven Discussion Group
Author: Roz Fruchtman Posted: 05 DEC 1998, 20:49 EST
Recently I opened up a new HTML Dicussion Group on OneList.com called HTML-Haven Discussion Group. We offer help for the wanna-be, novice, beginner, experienced and expert web designer.
If anyone is interested please visit the group homepage at:
http://members.xoom.com/web_lady/html/html-haven.html
and get a better description of what we are all about.
If you have any questions you would like to ask me directly please feel free to send an email to:
Roz Fruchtman at:
rfruchtman@earthlink.net
BTW, the group covers anything that is related to web design, including graphics, browsers, scanners, midi files, email, email clients, ftp, webpage promotion, search engines, etc.

I didn't know this:
Subject: Re: how to get the lessons on your desk
Posted: 16 NOV 1998
To get back into a classroom after the term has ended, students need simply contact Registrar@VU.org and the class will be put back on their desk.
Anne

Be sure to keep checking the BB at Your Desk for the latest classroom news. And Eagel's Fall Nest for overall class info.

IMPORTANT:I have just been told that the ICQ99a version some are receiving for download is pirated and not from ICQ. I will not d/l anything about ICQ except from their Mirabilis home site.
http://www.mirabilis.com

Classmates Pages

Who's on First

AOL, WEB TV, MAC helps

All kind of freeware and shareware for MACs By our own Inge

AOL HTML Helps

Christopher Flores   WebTV help at http://members.tripod.com/~foodrelief/webtv-3.htm

From Blossom^: "Found this URL last night while discussing design issues for Web-TV"
http://developer.webtv.net/Default.htm

This site will show you how your web pages look using various HTML standards, including how it looks on Web TV
http://www.delorie.com/web/purify.html

Bits and Pieces

Saving course Info.
If you use Netscape Communicator you can go to the communicator- page composer hit open page, put in the url you are wanting to save and then hit save as. (this saves all pictures also)
You can also try file, save page as, (but the pictures don't save with this one)
As for IE. I am not sure but it probably is close to the same, go to file and save as or save page as.
Granny-Wicked
Subject: Another good HTML tutorial resource
Author: Anne
Posted: 17 NOV 1998
http://www.pageresource.com/html/index.html
HTML PitStop has a lot of step by step tutorials for a lot topics related to making a web page.
The HTML tutorial by Stevie listed in the lesson one resources has disappeared and the author
has not written back to say if it will be available at a different location.
Anne
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SCANNERS
Here is advice from another Internet friend Bec about buying scanners. Anne
We did not look for a web page, probably should have.....my advice is that you should buy a scanner that is "just" enough for the job. If for web pages, the less resolution is cheaper and is all you need. If photos for cards or desk-top publishing, then get the scanner that is capable of the same resolution as the printer that is used. If saving photos for the future, get a scanner with as high as resolution as possible. When it comes to brands, there are many out there.....you cannot go wrong with the name brands (Hewlet-Packard, MicroTek, Canon, etc), but you will pay more. One should also pay attention to what software is included (the better the software included, the higher the cost), whether or not you need the transparency adaptor (usually an "extra", more money) for slides, and the size. Some do just photo size, some just 8x11, some legal and some even larger. I know that all the computer mags have had articles rating scanners at one time or another, so that may be helpful to check out. The biggest thing to pay attention to: THE PRICE! Prices are dropping VERY rapidly on scanners! Ignore suggested retail prices in magazine articles....they are usually several months older than the magazine itself. Summed up: Resolution and name brand increases the price. Either buy for the job (to keep price down) or the future (to save photos at high resolution).

I hope that helps..... Bec

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 If you are taking about indenting just the first word of a paragraph you need 
to  use the special character code which is    to make hard spaces. 
To indent the word 5 spaces you would use about five of them or however many 
you want in  a row and then start your text 

HREF="http://members.xoom.com/voicesmemory/tabledemo.html">Side By Side Table Demo
   Author:    Ghatten 
             http://members.xoom.com/voicesmemory/tabledemo.html 
             Here are the side by side tables inside another table. 
             This particular one was a challenge because the contents/side of the two tables were large.
             Which in some cases will prevent this or make the table(s) scroll off horizontally!! (to be avoided!!)
              Ghatten
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Ghatten Replys:
Subject: Re: Promised Side By Side Table Demo
             Author:    Ghatten
        Apparently, at least one Netscape 3 version imperfectly interprets adding the ALIGN attribute to tables. 
             Someone mentioned this was a problem in another class with a table that was part of a  lesson---and AnneH had problems viewing some of the contents of the table with the
             ALIGN="RIGHT" attribute set!!! 
             This problem was solved that by redoing the table, taking out the offending "ALIGN" attribute(s) and dividing the "exterior" table into two cells side by side with one of the smaller tables in each of the cells. 
             Tables are just one of those things that needs lots of "tweaking" and fiddling with!! 
             Have fun, even if it is a TABLE!!! 
             Jean/Ghatten 

I like and use tables a lot.-eagel- Not frames though!

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Subject: Re: Vertical Rules for TABLES
             Author:    Otter 
There are two easy ways to create a vertical line in a TABLE without enclosing the whole thing in a border. 
           One is to make a vertical .gif and place it in a separate cell between the two side-by-side paragraphs on your page. 
             The other, is to just add another cell between the two side-by-side paragraphs, give it a background color, use ROWSPAN if necessary for the length and insert either one letter of text in the same color as the background or   or 
 -- it would look like this: 
 
              
    
      You can see an example of this used between two images at --
             http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4642/anikitty.html 
Hope this helps -- Otter 

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AOL QUIRKS
Yes, AOL does seem to have its own little quirks and they tend to play havoc with HTML students!!!
Last spring we had a lot of AOL students in class and I set up a support group for them so they could help each other.
The leader of the group, Debbie, wrote a great Tutorial that I have posted
--- check it out, it might help. If not, there's a link to Debbie's email at the bottom of the site and she will be happy to help you.
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4642/aol_help.html
Hope this helps -- Otter
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Author: eagel
Posted: 31 OCT 1998, 03:52 EST
I learned html first and am now trying different editors. I find that if I have a total page in mind that I can throw together in an editor I do.But that is usually the only time I use the editor. I usually end up using that almost as a template and then go in and clean it up. No matter what editor I have used there are always either wierd tags of other junk I don't need added to the html.That is the advantage of learning the HTML first, that I can see. After I clean it up I save it in a notepad and work from that notepad from now on. I never go back and try to use the editor again for that page.And this is not to say that this is the correct way to do anything - just my way with editors.There are lots of editors others use to the fullest for all their html needs. But I still think you need to have html background.

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For your order page you probably will want to add a form which you can do at Tripod.
You can either use the information on their site to create the form or use one of the free places that allow you to create and use a form which you can modify and use the CGI on their server which processes the results and send the information to you by email.
http://home.earthlink.net/~j_engel/surveys.html
The site Ghatten and I created for the summer Turbo-charging class has information and links for free forms.
Our favorite was the service at Response-O-Matic. There are also links to creating and using forms at Tripod.
Take a look at week 2 on the site as there is a mini-forms tutorial which might help you get started.
Tripod tells you what to do if you want to use Tripod to process your form.
If you create a template using Tripod or Response-O-Matic, and just play with it to see if it works, you will then be able to edit it for your needs.
Anne

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I have a separate disk for every page(well almost)I have. It includes the html, sounds, gifs and anything else that appear on that page. Had a major crash and learned the hard way to back up a lot and in a variety of ways.

I bookmark my own pages in a folder on my personal toolbar. Once they are bookmarked I edit the bookmarks and go to bookmark properties and add the site where the page is uploaded. Got tired of uploading to the wrong site and wondering why the uploads hadn't taken when I refreshed.

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Subject: html editor
                   Author:    eagel 
                      This is what I do to get to my html file to edit it offline.
                   1.Open my notepad. (start/programs/accessories/notepad) 
                   2.Click on file 
                   3. Click on open 
                   4. I then go to Files of type: 
                   and drop down the menu and click on 'All Files(*.*) 
                   5. Then I go to the top 'Look in: box and drop down that menu. 
                   6. Click on where the html file is located. Mine is on my c: drive. 
                   7. then I double click on the html folder I want and that opens it up. 
                   8. double click on the html file you want. If you only have .txt files of your html go ahead and pull one of them up. 
                   9. AND if that is the case- that you only have .txt files do this: 
                   Open that .txt file and immediately save as an .html file and place it in your HTML folder.Now  always be sure that when you save this file after working on it that you also drop down the "Files of type: it all files so you can save it as an .html 

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From Otter:
As you start working on your new web pages, you will be making changes in notepad
and then going to your browser window to see how they look.
Two important things to keep in mind --
1. After you make the changes in notepad, be sure to 'save' as your .html file again
2. When you look for the changes on your browser -- you will probably have to hit the 'Reload' button before they will appear on the screen
Often students think the edited changes aren't taking place because they don't show up on the browser
your browser will read the last version that was saved to it (whatever is in the cache) unless you tell it differently!!

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Free Web Space at http://home.fiberia.com/ 11 Mb of space, cgi and SSL

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Most can easily see the whole page if you set the width for 600 when on a
 system that displays at 640x 480 and those who have it set it at 800 will also not
 have to scroll. You can then center the whole table with all of your tags so that it
 will look better to those in higher resolution monitors. 
     Once again the tags don't show- guess I better find that tag soon or nothing will show up.     

                  Anne

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Zonie
Posted: 06 NOV 1998, 18:15 EST
http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/tutor/makapage/index.html
has the best tables tutorial I found for beginners, give it a shot : ) **********************************

Author:    Avidcamper 
       Posted:  09 NOV 1998, 15:26 EST

       Hello, this is a general question but related to perl, i am looking for web space
       to put up pages where they allow you to run personal scripts (written in perl)
       anyone who knows of a place or who can send me in the right direction it would
       be greatly appreciated, thanks
Author:    Zonie Replied
http://members.xoom.com/flfry/TQFK/ 
       look under Web Supplys / Virtual University Web Supplys 
       near the bottom of the page are links to hundreds of places with free web
       space, so allow cgi.

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Subject: Re: THUMBNAILS-Mac Users ???? Author: Anne
Inge created this tutorial for creating thumbnails when she was taking a VU class.
She used GraphicConverter but maybe this will help you get started.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1239/thumb.html
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31 October  Didn't do much HTML; But sure had fun with Ghatten's Scavenger Hunt. Congrats Kinkell for winning the book.
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Subject: Class Page Is Up ! Please submit URL's
                  Author:    Beverly 
                  Posted:  10 NOV 1998
                  The Class Page is up. It's at: 
                  http://216.71.27.184/vu/ 
                  and: 
                  http://members.xoom.com/silverlf/ 
                  You can use either url. 
                  Please send me your URL, name, and site description to me. If you don't see your page listed please send it to me, even if you have already posted it here. Thanks!

14 November

21 November Last Chat!

Joining mIRC

There are several ways to join these chats. My way is through mIRC http://www.mirc.co.uk You can download and get set up now.

Here are some basic instructions for getting set up.
1. After downloading and installing, the first screen you will see is one with the author's picture on it. Simply click on that screen and the program will load and start itself.
2. Click on the first icon in the toolbar that looks like piece of chain. This will disconnect you from the server and the icon will now look like a lightening bolt.
JUST a note here: You can drag around and resize the mIRC screens just as you do your Browser screens.
3. Go FILE/SETUP or click on the second icon - SET UP INFO
4. Go to the IRC Servers tab.
Click ADD
Under description put VU.
Under IRC Server put irc.greennet.net
Port #6667 Hit ADD.
(REPEAT this step with each of these servers: webmaster.webchat.org, irc.wiregrass.com, irc.vrml.com)giving them different descriptions. I don't put a description, I put the server name in both boxes.
4.VU or the last server you added ,should now appear in the window on the previous screen.
5.Under Full Name you can either enter your real name or anything you want.
E-Mail- enter your email addy
NICKname: Pick a name that you would like to be called during these chats. Not many of us use our real names. Also enter an Alternative name.
6.Click Invisible Mode
7.Click OK
Always hit OK after making any changes in mIRC. Now Click on the lightening bolt and you will be connected and a status screen will popup.

I would suggest registering your nickname also at this point.
Go to any room and In the typing bar at the bottom of the status screen type this and substitute your secret password that you chose and your email addy.
/msg NickServ REGISTER your password e-mail address
For example: /msg nickserv register secretword ItsMe@hotmail.com
If the nickname you have chosen is already registered you will be told to pick a different name. Also I recommend writing down your password. You can register as many names as you wish. I would also suggest using the same password for them all. This will make things easier for you later.
8. Once you are registered and want to join the class chat type /join #chatcafe
9. You can type /join #irc-nest and come see if I am in my channel and I can help get you set up further.

Irc Sounds TutorQuick and to the point.
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