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 Design Online ICQ Group     
 Started on Fri May 15 20:32:26 EDT
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<Cam> Hi Daisy! Was trying to drag you but you are in the DND mode!
<Nan> I see Ruth and greta but they are both in away mode...do they want to join us does anyone know?
<eagel> hehe I will test my icq skills and see if I can send this as a mass message
<Daisy Girl> Bet you can
<ron_s> BTW, anyone know how to do the Password Authentication on a page, like the new lesson from class and elsewhere
<eagel> http://members.tripod.com/~MCW_2/EagelsNest/en
<eagel> I can't do it here You are all on my other ICQ list.
<Cam> I'm fine. I saw something about passwords, too. In a forms tutorial. Can't remember which!
<ron_s> Eagel, you have audio on your page ?
<Nan> passwords for what?
<Cam> I know. Tutorial in the HWG site.
<ron_s> There is difference between Forms Password and the one U see used by most sites
<Cam> This one was HTML (I think)
<Daisy Girl> I have a friend that has a password protection to his links.
<mechanic> why in his links?? DG
<Daisy Girl> Some crazy reason about privacy, silly to me
<Cam> What's in those links??
<Daisy Girl> I have no idea
<Nan> is everyone ready to start now?
<Nan> what is this password stuff?  I am not sure what you all are talking about
<ron_s> Nan haven't you visited a website where a blue box pops up asking for userid and PW?
<ron_s> that's what we are talking about .. how u make one and control access
<greta> private members
<Daisy Girl> I thought that was java
<Nan> I see
<Cam> Pop-up ones are JavaScript
<ron_s> The main blue box looks standard so I "think" its something like the HREF email
<Daisy Girl> Then I  haven't seen any
<jimbird> This is an Authentication script from Solena Sol's archive http://www.extropia.com/Scripts/
<Nan> there was a graphics site that had one of those but it wasn't supposed to be there...somehow her ISP put it there but they fixed it now so it doesn't come up anymore
<ron_s> Our teacher's site has it now. Are we all reading the lessons :)
<Cam> no
<ron_s> thanks jimbird, I noted it and will check it later
<Nan> I was there earlier in the week
<Daisy Girl> I was there too
<Nan> I didn't get a password box
<jimbird> This is Illmatic's Password CGI script http://www.illmatic.net/script/index.html[BAD URL-DON'T COPY!]
<Daisy Girl> Me either
<ron_s> Are we taking the same class :), lesson 5 she give user id and hypertext link to the pages
<jimbird> If you find out how to make it default--let me know.
<Nan> oh my you are right Ron...ooops sorry I forgot about that...
<Daisy Girl> What did I miss
<Nan> where Angie gave us the username and password for her site
<jimbird> She did? 
<ron_s> Nan, per example, I'd like sponsors of an orphan to be able to log on and find out about their child, but privacy issues make security important
<eagelCQ> yes to get in to see one of her pages What that was is
<greta> you mean we cannot get to Angie's site ????
<Nan> the car dealer site page
<ron_s> No, she has a protected page. She give U the user id and PW to visit it w/o that u couldn't
<eagelCQ> in order to get int you site to work on your pages you have to give a password so what this means is that this page isn't posted anywhere except in her web file
<mamabear2> I just found the answer in my html 3.2 book, said some sites require you to register for their service and makes you log in using a name and password like the clases we take from vu
<eagelCQ> so we are actually going right to her web site to see it
<greta> oh yes... remember lol
<Nan> I see what you mean Ron...I am not sure how to do that but have you tried posting a question on the class bulletin board? someone there may know how to do it...
<ron_s> I'll try that but I though with this great group I'd get a quicker answer :)
<mamabear2> It said that by using authentication you can set up users and passwords
<ron_s> mamabear does it say HOW to do it
<mamabear2> but it doen't say how to do it. :-(
<eagelCQ> Ok I know what you need 
<eagelCQ> like when you get an online greeting card and you have to give a # to retrieve it 
<mamabear2> It said that some servers provide a mechanism for secure connections and transaction using ssl protocal
<eagelCQ> That is what ron needs so that
<eagelCQ> the sponsers can have their own number
<eagelCQ> and they can only access their own kids with it
<ron_s> yes, they'd get a username and password when they become a sponsor, then they could follow the life of their child but the info wouldn't be out there for everyone to see
<mamabear2> ah it said it's a CGI script
<eagelCQ> ok I think AnneH has that I would definately post that to the board It is a real good question and I would also like to know the answer
<Nan> I have someone checking now to see if they can find something on it
<eagelCQ> Yes Ron  Now what were the URLs that flew by before for?
<ron_s> well if I find out from any source I'll let you all know next wk
<ron_s> Jimbird gave a refernece for scripts that may accomplish that
<Nan> ok or if you get any urls to explain it you can post them on the study group message board or class board
<eagelCQ> what are those for jim?
<jimbird> http://www.extropia.com/Scripts/
<Cam> Illmatic comes up 404
<ron_s> Alas jimbird my ISP can't find it either (the illmatic reference) !
<jimbird> I see what's going on--it's a framed page! Hold on.
<jimbird> http://www.extropia.com/Scripts/    This is the home--you'll have to work your way to the scripts. maybe it will work this way.
<Cam> ok, I got that one
<mamabear2> in the netscape book it said that for a ftp file that was anonymous the url would look like this ftp://userid:oasswird@password@ftp.sousage.com/pub/hdgsetup.exe
<Annie> Anyway. making a home page just to say good bye to my friends since I'm leaving next Friday Eagle, making a home page for all of you
<ron_s> jimbird were u giving two different references or was the illmatic something u got to from the extropia site
<mamabear2> they put a password before the url address
<ron_s> Good q, Nan. I find lots of good points. Even redid the home page based on some of that plus (was it from this group) a reference to CIBC page (which I pirated unmercifully)
<Nan> I have been stuck on lesson 3 making graphics for my hubby's page...I read lessons 4&5 but haven't done anythiing in them yet..*G
<mamabear2> i'm also stuck in lesson 3 with the graphics
<Nan> I downloaded some plugin filters for Paint Shop Pro today...they are so much fun!!!
<Nan> from the filter factory...they are all for buttons and borders
<greta> I have somebody wanting to be in our group by the way !!
<Nan> these ones at the filter factory (I think that is the name*G*) are all free...there are lots of them there
<Nan> http://www.netins.net/showcase/wolf359/ffpgalry.htm
<Nan> you can find lots of filters there
<jimbird> Ron, there's a ready-made CGI form with password script at http://www.bignosebird.com/ There's also a lot of interesting HTML tricks and tips. I copied several last night.
<eagelCQ> you just have to be sure your page site will allow cgi
<ron_s> yes and even when it does ... getting all the unix crap (apologies) correct is a task
<Nan> the place I have my homepage doesn't allow cgi unless you use what they have to offer which isn't much
<jimbird> That's bignosebird! It's a neat story behind it. You'll have to read it.
<Daisy Girl> Will do Jim
<jimbird> I'll put up the lightly edited log at http://members.xoom.com/jimbird/index.html http://members.xoom.com/jimbird/index.html http://members.xoom.com/jimbird/index.html
<jimbird> I do have a problem with pasting to this chat!
<Nan> what happened Jim?  I pasted that url before and had no problems
<jimbird> It didn't show up--so I did it again.
<ron_s> jimbird, I'm browsing that bignosebird site right now but can't locate the script. If you happen upon it again could u send me the url
<mamabear2> It even has the post card cgi that I've been looking for thanks jim
<jimbird> It's under the Fun Stuff and it's called 'Create a Form Using All the Tricks! With a Ready to Run Script'
<mechanic> Ok..I want to know what is beta?
<Cam> look under Web Site Management-Security
<ron_s> BTW, I remember some people here are using GuestWorld guestbook. Did anyone receive the hoax email saying they were beginning to charge a monthly fee?
<Nan> I didn't ron
<mechanic> Nope...but it is just a hoax?
<Nan> I was using Dream book until they started putting the X-rated ads on there
<ron_s> well they sent a retraction saying it was a hoax. Maybe so many people dis'ed them that they recanted
<Daisy Girl> I have had some that said Joe Black is spreading a virus
<mechanic> Really nan...x-rated ads..
<ron_s> Yes Nan :-), not funny but still funny
<Nan> yes and they didn't even warn you that they were putting them on!!!
<mechanic> DG,,,yeah I get those
<jimbird> I just bookmarked the URL of the guide at the Mining Co. (like Angie) who debunks hoaxes. http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/
<Nan> the one I saw was really bad!!!LOL
<Daisy Girl> I have never seen one of those, now pics are another story.
<Nan> this ad had a very graphic pic on it Judy!!
<Daisy Girl> Oh no haven't seen it, don't want to either
<mechanic> Nan,,,that is not right,,,they don't know who is using them
<mamabear2> I used to get a lot in my aol mail, but now that I got rid of aol and have earthlink I don't get any
<Nan> oh I know...and my web page is in a family district where there are lots of kids...
<ron_s> Thanks all. Because of jimbird.. I'm leaving and going to pursue that bignosebird site for a bit ..
<eagelCQ> geo has just started a rating system for the banners and ads on your pages
<Nan> how I found out about it was I got email from a lady who put the dream book on her son's page and on her church's page!!!
<eagelCQ> you can specify that you want only kid appropriate banners and such
<Nan> I know that now eagle but they didn't ask that when I signed up for it and they didn't ask this lady either
<eagelCQ> no they just started it and I wouldn't have known either but I happened to read my mail from them (I usually don't)
<Nan> well I didn't get any mail from them telling me...*G*
<Daisy Girl> You mean they put a banner on your page and you didn't know?
<Nan> yep!!
<Daisy Girl> Well as far as I know, only that mini window opens and I close it without looking at it.
<Daisy Girl> On my sites
<Cam> What causes the persistence of pop-up windows after you go to another site.
<Nan> this was a banner that went the whole way across the top of my guest book page
<Cam> ?
<eagelCQ> yes all pages will have some form of banner or popup or something That is how we can get it for free they are paying
<mechanic> Cam?
<mechanic> a trigger usually
<Daisy Girl> Oh I think I have one there, thought you were talking about your main pages.
<mechanic> At geocities they added it in the editors
<jimbird> So far Xoom doesn't have any banners or pop-ups and they're giving 11 Megs.
<mamabear2> in tripod you can pay 6.00 to get a bigger site and get rid of the popups
<Nan> no just the place I had my old guestbook
<mechanic> 11 megs..that is big
<Nan> is that $6/month?
<jimbird> Free
<jimbird> (Sorry!)
<Daisy Girl> I couldn't fill that up.
<eagelCQ> but you have to FTP there
<mamabear2> yes it's free for just the regular site
<mechanic> My kids have 3 geocities sites they could fill it up...
<mamabear2> but you can get more room and some other things but if you pay them $6.00 you can get rid of the ads
<mamabear2> ftp is really easy
<mechanic> who is it that you can get a private chat room?? is it tripod?
<Daisy Girl> For a pro like you it is
<jimbird> Eagel--did you mean you have to FTP your pages to Xoom?
<eagelCQ> yes
<Cam> You can get one from Parachat for any site.
<mamabear2> I downloaded a program to do it
<Nan> no you didn't Sherry
<jimbird> Is there another way?
<eagelCQ> I have my sites at geocities, Tripod and Fortune cities
<Nan> I use WS-FTP...it is really easy to use
<Daisy Girl> Geo cities has spoiled me
<eagelCQ> they have ezuploads
<mamabear2> yes it is
<mechanic> Yeah real easy to use...
<eagelCQ> no FTP necessary but you can FTP at tripod as well 
<Cam> It's not easy to FTP to Angelfire!
<mamabear2> that's the one ws-ftp and it is easy to use
<eagelCQ> I don't do FTP yet
<Nan> you can ftp at geocities too...lots faster than their ezuploads
<eagelCQ> since I can do it here without
<mamabear2> tripod also has their own ftp system to use
<jimbird> WS-FTP is about as easy as it gets. For months I was using the generic FTP program in Win95--that's tough.
<mamabear2> I use ws-ftp to upload to the flower shops page
<Nan> hey eagel I have my site at fortune city...I like it there do you?
<eagelCQ>  LOL I was even in FTP study group last term and I still don't get it or have it:(
<eagelCQ> I hate fortune cities
<eagelCQ> Last term I couldn't get in for 3 weeks and had to redo all my classwork and pages at another site
<Nan> I had some problems when they were upgrading but not a lot...I put my page up there for the html class last time
<jimbird> Several weeks ago Xoom moved their entire site but the hold-up wasn't very long.
<mamabear2> you should try tripod  eagel
<eagelCQ> Yes I have pages at tripod and geocities
<eagelCQ> I still have one page at fortune
<eagelCQ> ok it is almost time for #pagemakers if any one wants to join It is for HTML :-)
<Nan> I found this place today...they give 6mb...it is called theglobe.com
<Cam> on mIRC?
<eagelCQ> yes in mirc
<Cam> Shakespeare!
<jimbird> I'm going to check that out, Nan.
<mamabear2> thats a new one
<Nan> it looks like a pretty good place...I need to check it out more
<Cam> Do they accept business pages?
<jimbird> How is the new HTML class doing? I didn't sign-up for that class and feel like going there is an intrusion.
<Daisy Girl> Ah Jim you should feel like that
<Nan> the url to register there is http://register.theglobe.com/join/register.qry
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