oz1:GREAT CLASS-SORRY I MISSED IT
THANKS TO ZONIE FOR THE LOG

Session Start: Tue May 05 16:47:30 1998
*** Now talking in #campus
*** Topic is 'Netscape Communicator for Beginners'
*** Set by Zonie on Tue May 05 16:42:32

<Who> Zonie...you won't believe this but....

<Who> could you please give me the addie of your mirc pages????

<Zonie> links to get mIRC, and step-by-step instructions with screen shots,
 of how to get to VU chats
<Zonie> for mIRC help, tips, Popups, Scripts, Aliases, Remotes and more. 
A mIRC approved site.
<Zonie> there is a current list of servers and class channels for VU here also
<Zonie> http://members.xoom.com/flfry/

<eagel> Please welcome Ruth this is her first time and has MAC questions
<RuthH> Thanks for the intro
<RuthH> Hi Blossom  This is my first time in a chat roombut Zonie and eagel 
have been helping 
me

<eagel-n-class> Ok I want to go back to the netscape navigation wheel and how
 for some it opens 
a new instance of Netscape and for others it brings up other open browser windows
<eagel-n-class> I think that it should be mentioned that is we have changed things 
around 
previously we (I) don't remember how it was originally and the directions are
 sometimes 
different cause of that
<eagel-n-class> and I am still learning and like the tab key a lot I will use 
that often

<eagel-n-class> so Ruth did you have a question?
<RuthH> I just need to talk to someone about Mac and Mirc. I enjoyed todays 
lesson and did not 
know about History.
<eagel-n-class> I use history alot
<eagel-n-class> I have mine history  set for 20 days but I cear it out alot
 everytime I go 
there cause there are so many multiple entries
<eagel-n-class>  but it is a good way for me to find places cause I fly 
around a lot
<jbr> I have mine set for 999 days!! great resource
<eagel-n-class> LOL
<RuthH> Does Pat come to the chat room?
<candyman1> jean you must have a HD of 10GB
<eagel-n-class> Yes She usually does I have ICQ her but she isnt online yet 
She said she would 
be here tonight though
<jbr> no - it is getting close to overfull :)

<eagel-n-class> what is your question about Mirc ans is setting uo mirc 
any differen on a MAC 
Does anyone know If not I will help Ruth get her mIRC set up
<Zonie> Blue uses Mac : )
<RuthH> Blue do get in the chat with browser. I have not downloaded m IRC. 
Is that advisable?
<Blue1> no Ruth I haven't
<eagel-n-class> Blue how do you enter - not through the classroom?
<Blue1> Ruth I am using Ircle... I am a Macintosh user
<eagel-n-class> Kittycat too has MAC
<RuthH> Hi Kittycat I have been waiting for you. Do you use m IRC to get into chat,
and should 
I download it on my Mac
<Blue1> I enter wiregrass through Ircle
<kittycat^> Ruth-with a Mac--I yhave to use Ircle--not Mirc
<eagel-n-class> that is what ruth needs toi know about is ircle I think
<eagel-n-class> please help her do that
<Blue1> Ruth I have a web page that tells you how to download and set up Ircle 
on you Macintosh 
at:  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8822/ircle.htm
<RuthH> Do I download it or is on my Mac?
<kittycat^> You must download--it is a Shareware
<Blue1> Ruth... the correct address is:  
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8822/ircle.htm
<z-kittycat> Anymore Mac Users in here other than Ruth, Blue and myself?

<z-kittycat> I had a question about the lesson--but guess will just have to wonder
<RuthH> No    give us the question
<eagel-n-class> no ask Kittykat or is it a MAC question?
<eagel-n-class> We are here to address lesson questions
<eagel-n-class> I cant help with MAC stuff though but I think Blue can help 
with those 
<z-kittycat> It is a Mac question--I know the windows etc all look different--
I cannot find 
"Quickfile"--and in Communicator--I cannot find where to "Delete bookmark"
 although I can find 
it in Nav 3.04

<z-AM> When I'm in my bookmark's    I  right click   then delete  the line
 I don't 
want/bookmark

<RuthH> I just go to bookmarks in communicator and highlight the one you want
 to delete and 
press delete

<z-AM> same thing?

<RuthH> I don't know about theQuickFile  I did not find it today, but I did find 
History

<z-kittycat> Boy do I feel like a noodnik--because I always use the word under 
file in Nav 
3.04--I assumed I had to use the same in Com.  But I just went and did the same
 as Ruth 
suggested--works like a charm

<eagel-n-class> sorry kittycat did that answer your question Did you go try it? 
I would think 
the history folder would be the same for all though MAC and PC as far as deleting -
<z-kittycat> No--the history file is way over in another place--no delete 
there unless go to 
preferences and wipe them all out
<PeachesBG> In Communicator, in Bookmarks, where is the delete button?

<RuthH> Do you have an IBM?
<z-kittycat> Lesson said it under Edit when Bookmarks open
<z-AM> It come's up when you right click on the highlighted line?

<z-kittycat> Think that all for now--I am needing to "clean out "
 my bookmarks--and was alarmed 
when I could not delete!!

<PeachesBG> Does anyone know, if you use 2 or 3 servers, how you can
 transfer your bookmarks 
from one to the other or combine them from time to time?  Maybe it can't be done

<PeachesBG> KK-that's how I felt about not being able to delete mine too.

<eagel-n-class> yes peaches Zonie can tell use about that cause he uses 
IE But my IE has that 
option to import the files I have in Netscape

<z-AM> When I upgraded Netscape Gold - 4.04 -4.04 then 4.05  each time my 
bookmarks & mail 
followed with me.  No problem
<z-AM> 4.03 to 4.04
<Zonie> your favorites are in a folder on your hard drive not on server : )
<PeachesBG> I use several servers, but I am only able to access Communicator
 on the one from 
which I downloaded it.  Can anyone tell me how to be able to use Communicator
 no matter which 
server I choose to use?
<Zonie> down load from NetScape instead of server
<z-AM> use Communicator as you default server
<PeachesBG> I did download from Netscape

<z-kittycat> z-AM--yes they will automatically be in all of the Netscape--
some of them are in 
my IE--but I haven't checked it lately--so don't know if they are all in IE or not

<z-AM> ?are you saying server, and meaning browser?

<Zonie> only favorites saved in NS will be in NS folder and only favorites saved 
in IE will be 
in IE folder

<Zonie> each browser does have a conversion capability, to import bookmarks one 
from the other, 
but not sure how to use it on either :)

<Zonie> never tired : )

<z-AM> The only time I use IE is for surfing the net  per.se

<Blossom^> mine are all there kittycat.......IE imports the Netscape bookmarks 
when you tell it 
to......

<PeachesBG> No, I mean server.  I will be specific.  I was using IBM Global 
when I downloaded 
Communicator. I still have Netscape 3.0 available.  I did not delete it. 
 Then when I choose to 
use Prodigy Internet, I can get Netscape 3.0 there as the default, 
but I can not click on my 
desktop Communicator and have it connect

<PeachesBG> I do not use IE anywhere

<z-kittycat> Thanks Blossom--I will check it out after I clean out the Nav ones

<Zonie> * PeachesBG * you have a server specific communicator, probably has 
the server logo in 
upper right cornor, you need to uninstall it and down load from www.netscape.com

<Blossom^> Peaches it sounds like you should change your default from Netscape 3.0 to 
Communicator if that is the one you want to use with Prodigy......

<z-AM> I deleted the Netscape Gold, then the other upgrades, just seemed to
 absorb each on the 
other!

<PeachesBG> That is where I downloaded it from

<Zonie> if you down load communicator or IE from a server rather than parent 
site, you will 
probably get a server specific browser

<PeachesBG> just checked--has Netscape logo in right hand corner

<Blossom^> I bet there is somewhere in Prodigy that you can change your default 
browser Peaches

<Zonie> ok, you have your dial up set for old server then

<PeachesBG> You have to be online to access Netscape.com--right?  I did that, 
then downloaded

<Zonie> how do you connect to internet : )

<Zonie> first question last : )

<PeachesBG> In talking to Prodigy Internet they told me they don't support Netscape, 
just IE, 
but I should be able to figure it out and access it.

<Zonie> do you click NS icon or use DUNN

<PeachesBG> click on Communicator icon on desktop after getting online

<Zonie> wonder when Prodigy stoped supporting NS ?

<Zonie> the what happens ?

<Zonie> the=then

<PeachesBG> I can't remember but something about server can't find DNS something 
or other.  
Wish I could ck. it for you now, but don't want to leave here

<Zonie> ok you need to change your default page : )

<PeachesBG> while on Prodigy Internet?

<Zonie> Edit/Preferences/Navigator

<PeachesBG> I have copied the Help pages from Netscape.com on how to make
 Netscape your default 
browser

<Zonie> just enter in a diff web site

<PeachesBG> Don't understand your last statement

<Zonie> like mayby http://www.netscape.com/

<Zonie> * PeachesBG * are you here in mirc or web browser ?

<PeachesBG> mirc

<z-AM> I use Netscape Communicat for Professional's  as my home page. 
 You can put that in 
under Preferences

<Zonie> ok you don't have to close mirc to open NS

<Zonie> open it and  Edit/Preferences/Navigator

<Zonie> then enter  http://www.netscape.com/

<Zonie> as default page

<PeachesBG> I understand that.  Not the problem.  I am on IBM Global 
because I can't access 
Communicator if I am on PI.

<Zonie> I hate full service providers, too many rules, filters, etc, 
will stick with stright 
internet connection :  )

<PeachesBG> It seems to me as though I should be able to access
 Communicator no matter which 
server I choose as my online one at the time
<Zonie> yes you should
<PeachesBG> IBM Global is straight internet connection
<Zonie> but the DNS error only means you can't access that page
<Zonie> have you tried just typing in a URL in the address window ?

<z-AM> Last year I was using AOL and Microsoft Explorer  had all kind 
of problems, trying to 
get to VU, and Netscape.   So I droped AOL, used by other server, and 
defaulted to Netscape 
Navigator!

<Blossom^> wait........I have a question which Netscape is your default browser?

<PeachesBG> 3.0, but I just close that out and click on Communicator

<Zonie> I use sprynet with dial up networking, stright connect, and I have 
no problems with IE 
or NS excetp NS crashes a lot more, and don't have all the features IE does : )

<z-AM> 4.05  Comm. for Professionals is the one I use!

<Blossom^> I bet cha if you change Communicator to your default browser 
it will load in 
Prodigy......

<z-AM> And I'm the other way around,  I think a lot of it has to do,
 with how you set up your 
preferences!

<z-AM> Yes, Blossom  I'm with you, on that bet!!!

<Zonie> I really like the search and history features in IE, search cause
 you list is always 
there, no wearing out your back button, trying to get back to search page : )

<AM> use your go button

<eagel-n-class> I use history in Netscape to do that

<PeachesBG> Under preferences| navigator, it gives the location as www.ibm.net; 
so why should 
it be available at www.prodigy.net as well?

<Zonie> yes but you still got to go back :)

<Zonie> IE uses a seperate frame for the search list : )

<AM> I'm more into forward!

<Zonie> and for history list : )

<Blossom^> don't know what to tell you for that Peaches......sorry

<PeachesBG> What is the concensus about Netscape vs. IE or does each have its pluses

<jbr> Don't ask Zonie - he is prejudiced! :)

<candyman1> lol

<AM> I use Communicator, that is the main reason I'm in this Class, to learn more about 
Communicator

<Zonie> only because I use both : )

<ruth-> I Like MSIE Outlook express (my default mail) better tha Communicator Message

<Blossom^> Each has it's pluses Peaches......but I prefer IE.......LOL

<Zonie> I have NS3 and 4, and IE4

<z-Jayne> i prefer NS

<Zonie> NS don't support as much really great stuff for HTML writters as IE does either : (

<jbr> can you use both without causing problems?

<ruth-> I use both - 

<Blossom^> The history and search features have me sold on IE........yes jbr

<zbillobee> I like Netscape because that's where all my bookmarks are

<AM> I use both, also

<ruth-> and I don't hink the one BIG problem I have has anything to do with using both

<z-Jayne> i use both,, but more NS

<Blossom^> So do I AM

<AM> I know more about Netscape, so natch, I use it more!

<Blossom^> : )

<ruth-> My problem is that I can't hear any music - if I'm on line

<jbr> So maybe we need a class on IE?

<Zonie> to use NS3 and 4 you need them on diffrent partitions or drives

<Zonie> can't use IE3 and 4 on same system

<AM> Have you checked you volume, and sound card, to see that it is still setup for use?

<Blossom^> ruth........do you have an Aptiva?

<ruth-> AM - are you talking to me re:sound

<Zonie> MWave sound card ?

<AM> I deleted the Gold/.03   no problem's came after doing it!

<ruth-> Yes, I have an Aptiva and had a big fight with IBM todya

<Zonie> still haven't found that class action thing yet

<ruth-> Zonie - I mentioned the problem I have to you the other day
<ruth-> and, according to IBM the class action suit has been "settled"
<Zonie> you were the one I told about the class action law suit weren't you ?
<ruth-> Right - Zonie - that was me
<ruth-> IBM's attitude is "tough s%&@" lady
<Zonie> hmmmm, can't be sure, but it was in news group just a couple of weeks ago
<ruth-> And I am really p#%$&@
<Zonie> might try a search
<ruth-> news group???
<Zonie> yes was in several couple of weeks ago
<ruth-> My machine is only a year old 
<Zonie> yea I know IBM attitude
<ruth-> but IBM tells me the mwave card was "state of the art" then
<Zonie> the CDs I got with system were bad, so took 2 calls to tech support to 
figure out that 
was what was wrong, but that started my warrenty period, I still don't think
 that was right  
either
<Zonie> that is why rather then even fool with them I just got new sound card and modem

<PeachesBG> please explain to me the z before some names.  Thanks

<ruth-> Well, they're not finished with me YET

<Zonie> * PeachesBG * comes from HTML classes, means no question to ask

<AM> Ruth:  you might subscribe to Microsoft Windows 95 Tip of the Day,
 at tips@tipworld.com

<ruth-> So Zonie - tell me about the New sound card and modem that you got

<Zonie> I'm finished with them : ), now that I got win98 I gonna use IBM CD's for skeet 
practice : )

<ruth-> didn't you say you never bothered to install them

<Zonie> Sound Blaster AWE64, USRobtics 56k v.90

<AM> In to-days tip, they talked about sound problems.  Open the Control Panel to access 
Sounds. Then check out your settings.

<Zonie> fax, voice, data
<Zonie> to install what ?
<ruth-> the new modem and sound card, I mean
<Zonie> I installed them the day I got them : )
<ruth-> the new sound card and modem
<Zonie> mwave in closet collecting dust : )
<Zonie> want a spare : )
<Zonie> I like them better on seperate cards anyway :)
<AM> Yes Zonie thats the same sound blaster, I have
<Zonie> cheaper to replace if needed :)
<Zonie> is a good card
<AM> In the last year, I have,so far accumulated enough stuff to build a PC for my wife

<AM> Where we suppose to go over to Browsers at 5pm AK time?

<PeachesBG> thanks for all your help--you've all given me a few ideas. See you all next week

<eagel-n-class> #browsers if anyone has more questions since we can't stay here