IF YOU WANT A FULL TRANSCRIPT OF THIS CONVERSATION THEN GO TO ZONIE'S LOGS! I use these as my notes.. If you see that I have incorrectly stated or answered anything please let me know. my e-mail. I definately dont want to learn the wrong way inputs are what the user enters into the program. Outputs are what the program will display to the user, and processing is what the program will do to the users input to arrive at the outputs. enter....inputs, Process.....what happens to inputs, output.....results of processing Exactly John! :) Session Start: Mon Apr 20 17:44:44 1998 *** Now talking in #campus -Zonie- Beginning Programming Using Visual Basic 4.0 . . . . . Mondays 6-8pm (Pacific) . . . current time is 5:44 PM (Pacific) on Monday 04/20/98 well, my standard backup is there, w95 automatically makes a copy, the trouble is, you never know which entries are in there have you tried a complete uninstall of VB4? no, it seems to work ok, for now it just couldn't write the registry when it installed because it has reached the limit Ok. Just please remember to let me know if you need to use VB5. IC .. well, If I do redo my machine, I am not putting 4 back on so I'll let you know I have VB4, VB4wm and VB5 installed ....... so I can handle anything students hand me this problem only happens to people that have too much software like me :-) ok, good LOL!!!! before we start can I share and someone tell me if I am on the right track? I want to write a program that will do this on my aquarium web page: When the user runs his mouse over a picture of a fish, a popup will appear, and show, a random fact file,(stored in a list) will play to monitor. **************************** I want this program to do this on a picture of a juke on my web page: When the user runs the mouse over 'Selection', a list will pop up,(make file?) then by hilighting a song, he will then mouse click, to play that song to channel. Eventually, this will be a jukebox warehouse for all the stuff I find out about sounds and stuff like the stuff like the sound tutor Omri and I did for mIRC, and places to get sounds, editors, and tutorial on cool edit software and possibly Sound Forge,e mIRC wavs and midis, etc. with so 1.(I) This program will allow the user to use mouse/over/click 2.(O)This program will give the user a list of musical programs to chose from 3.(P)This program will find the desired program 4.(O)This program will play the desired program to channel there are actually 2 difrferent ones there Sounds interesting, eagel! so am I headed in the right direction I wasnt sur how deep to go I had to actually strip alot out cause it was too complicated sounds like a good idea eagel, for a web page? Are you making an active x control? As far as breaking a program idea down, you are on the right track! the questions at the end of the lesson, are we going to record the answers some how? I can post the answers, if that is what you mean? well, the answers are on the cd, but for our learning, are we going to keep a log or record on how did we do? Not necessary, Nica. You can for your own use, but not necessary for me. will we do any coding?? Will the beginner and intermediate class teach the whole program or will there be more after that? Yes. We will start coding in about the 5th week. Bev, there will always be more, but I will teach you what I can, which will take you thru the intermediate course. I don't feel comfortable going any further. we won't be able to compile, right Teach? You wont be able to create executable files from your programs with the working model. If you would like an executable, let me know when you submit your assignments at the end of the term, and I can do that for you and send it back. will the assignments we do compile in VB5.0? You should be able to bring them into VB5 and compile them. VB5 will take it through some conversions, etc. But you should have no problem doing that. ok this may not be the place but using vb enterprise will I compile all the files to one dir? Yes, that would be the best thing to do. can't wait til I,m to that point!!! thanks I have a quetion, maybe someone knows the answer, will VU students qualifie for the educational version of VB5 ? Won't be long! To obtain the educational version of a program, you need student id ....... What is the educational version? Or something showing you are enrolled........ Not sure VU qualifies ... $50 cheaper : ) can VU give us ID? worth trying for it. lol If you area student or teacher, you can get some software packages at huge discounts. Last term, many students were going into auction sites on the web and getting VB5 for around $55! Sounds good to me! whew- I'm glad my husbands agency lets us get it for $25. LOL!!!! That's even better!!!!! Can I order there Chicago? Sure is! Can you get it for anyone else? only if you really want ot be a temp Thinking... A temp what Chicago? it's qa pc tech temp agency they get a huge variety of programs most at 10%of cost We all get jobs being a temp????? LOL Do you have to be a temp for that agency? In your area? it's a nationwide agency. Tek systems. I have their URL around here somewhere Teach do you have a url for the auctions?? There are several out there. I don't have any in mind tho. Will email you with my list later if you'd like? Vb Teach--I did have a question! In Lesson 1--- what does TOE stand for in TOE charts? Pala - stands for Task, Object, Event That will be in next weeks lesson. WiZZer I bought VB5 Pro from here. I am in Canada and everything worked fine. http://www.auction-sales.com/ * Derek1 * what is dif between pro and education besides price any idea couldn't find much as MS on the subject You all might also want to check out www.ebay.com...this is the biggest auction I found on the net. I havenot seen the education version. Hey Teach what you say? No difference! They are the same! I bought vb5 for $59...it was brand new. What you are getting is the pro or even the enterprise at student prices. Educational version is different than getting a program at student prices. The VB4wm is a student version. So it is crippled a bit... but it is free also ... Do we need to buy VB5 for the class. Or are we just learning the concepts in the beginning and intermed calss? You do not need to buy VB4. I would prefer you use the vb4wm will we do anything with data control in this class?? For now we are just learning the concepts. If you wish to buy VB5, you can, but not necessary for class. Not the object, but we will be working with decisions and loops .... Where is the vb4wm available? I just glanced through the class notes...perhaps I missed it--sounds familiar. Pala, its listed in the Update message in the classroom. There are 8 zipped files to download. that is what i want to get into, decisions and loops, but i can take it slow. Any other VB questions? VBTeach. To run a compiled program on a different computer, is MSVBAM50.DLL the only file required? That, I'm not sure about Derek ..... Will check into it and let you know. ok thanks That file does sound familiar but I think you'll need others as well. I think so too. With earlier versions of VB you only needed the runtime lib file with the program ..... hmmm NOt only that but if you write a program in VB5 good luck finding the filea that you need! why is that mustang ooops FFS again VB5 comes with an applications setup wizard... I think it compiles the exe as well as group it with the other files needed for distribution. they are hard to find, at least I never found them vb5 is what i was using for first vb class I have a few VB5 books, I will see what I can find out. so any program we write and compile, will only run on a computer that has VB5 on it already? did you try to run it on a computer that didn't have any vb on it? aren't there some toolkits for distribution?? The purpose of compiling to an exe file is for distribution. But other files are needed too. With VB3 - it was vbrun300.dll. That was all that was needed. yes there are thought a compiled prgram had everything needed in the exe ? on ms site VB5 comes with that -the application setup wizard .... but have never tried it out. whats the url Yvonne ? let me know how it works Christy lemme see if i have it bookmarked. I will do! Mustang^ I took the last class and made a few programs. I just reloaded my machine and tried to run the program, but no go. Will also check out my vb5 books ...... Doesn't vb5 compile to a native language .exe...which means it should only need any .libs or .dlls your acutually linking with? that what I thought too Should be that way .... all that I ever did was include the files that were needed to run the program, but again they were written in vb4 VB5 makes it a bit more difficult ....... Ok. pulling out one of my vb5 books ........ wizzer, i think i was thinking of win95 service packs, but if you just type in microsoft and go to free downloads, there's stuff to look at nothing for vb i don't think microsoft has all sorts of vb downloads on programing not sure about a working model Nothing in that book ..... have others at work ..... does VB5 come with some sort of install wizard thing, that will create a exe that contains VB exe and any required files ?, does anyone have any idea what I mean LOL Yes, Zonie - That's what I was mentioning before -the Application setup wizard .... yes it does but not same format as vb 4 ah, that good deal then : ) It says you can debug a native compiled program in Visual C++ so I don't think its be interpreted. some items are not included and they call it better version anyone have office 97 Yes, I have Office 97 yes vb 5 is included in office 97 Really...hummm...how to access it? hold on thanks Yvonne had to leave for a min. It's used with word, access, and excell - I think it's their excuse for macro writing. That is VB5 for applications ........ I know that it has VBA that is Visual Basic for Applications What's the difference between VB for Apps & VB? remember the form we made in the last class that was of our own choosing...(this pertains to finding all the files) You can't write applications using it, but you can customize your word documents, spreadsheets, databases, etc with it. too much of a diff to write in here For example, you could place command buttons etc on a spreadsheet .... somehow i said yes and it ended up in my onscreen program files, with all the neccessary files right there, no looking well I stand corrected But it is mostly for creating and customizing macros.... i wondered about being able to change the source code accessing it Not in any of the office products ....... And, I don't have a clue about reverse compiling a vb ap ..... hmmmmmmmm that sounds like a challenge... i've got one i could try it on LOL!!! Got John thinking!!!! Let me know Yvonne! will do teach. there was a program that let you do that, I never got it though so it doesnt come with vb5? See how you are John? : I think he is talking about a hacking tool ....... Page 46 is - I think it's called - Project 1 Barb, am I right about that? John found it tho!!! Project 1 is mentioned in the first lesson ..... it is listed in the electronic version of the book as Project 1. No lessons are mentioned tho. just units. Luckily, every lesson I have uploaded mention lessons and units. The book when you buy it, has its chapters divided down into lessons, and then units - 2 units per lesson. Just a quick question about Gary and Carls place. Do you have to register or something to get files from there site? Do they have a website? not sure No! You can just go in and get them! well, so far, i can't get any .exe files open in vb5 I can get anything from there. is that standard. That doesn't sound right Yvonne. Let me play with it a bit ...... getting runtime errors Yvonne let me restate i cannot open any .exe files from within vb5 ok Not from within! MSVB5M50.dll is in tools\cabinets\msvb5m50.cab on the VB5 CD ? I guess you cant dbl-clk on a *.vdp file to open it...eh? I want to write a text like directly on the form not a control how do I do it? Does a program that you write have to have the VB version that you wrote it in on the computer for it to work? I mean text string. Qsilver - you would write code like: form1.print "here is your text" Thanks :) No Pala, just the supporting files..... You would have to compile it to an exe file first tho. yes...how do write a VBA to pick out just the zip codes for a Excel book1 doc? LOL!!!! is the form that Qsilver is talking about a web-form? hmmmmmmm....must be ignoring me. No Pala, it is a VB form. It is one of the main parts of a vb applications. It's what gives you the Windows effect ... my computer locked up when i tried to open a project in vb i think i had far too many programs running at the same time for my computer and the .dlls' didn't appreciate it mamabear, you can write a program of your own any time you would like, but for the class assignments, please stick with the 5 student project. mamabear2: i think i will try to do both, the class project and start one of my own on the side I want to add a toolbar to my project..can I create a flat style toolbar in visual basic? You sure can qsilver, but that will come in the intermediate class. ok i wrote down my analyze and have the outline for inputs but after that ? mamabear, do you have all inputs, outputs and processing? i think i have all the inputs, and what the answers should be is that what you call the out puts. and as far as processing in lost Ok. The answers are the outputs .... processing is how you arrive at the answers - math etc. oh, I did better than I thought inputs are what the user enters into the program. Outputs are what the program will display to the user, and processing is what the program will do to the users input to arrive at the outputs. enter....inputs, Process.....what happens to inputs, output.....results of processing Exactly John! :) ok next question, in a program were you want to list the students names, dont you know how to write code for this to happen need to know exactly mambear, but that will come in the next steps... So far mamabear, they can be put in as labels - not code. In the intermediate class, if we continue with this project, we will write the code to do this. Text box? I guess I didn't understand the question? Student names wont be inputs from a user. It will be part of the form..... ok thought i was missing something from some other basic, no you answered it i dont need to know at this tiem Exactly ..... :) We are trying to KISS - Keep it super simple ..... the offer of the email study partner is still open if anyone wants to go that route. I could use one. Last term was different .......... when you write down your analyze, and etc is there a certain way to write them ? VB Teach - Do I have to open VB4 BEFORE I open a *.vbp file? mamabear, you don't have to write it down in any specific order. Whatever makes sense to you. As long as you identify all of your inputs, outputs and processings. Session Close: Mon Apr 20 20:33:19 1998