SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk Online SKS Manual AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cleaning/Lubricating Pistons/Firing Pins, etc. by Jim Following cleaning, can one use CLP or Militec-1 on pistons, firing pins, gas cylinders, without causing a problem or is it best not to lubricate these parts? Thanks, Jim Posted on Jun 17 1999, 03:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just Wondering...ctxt. by hunter47 OK guys, here is the question for the day. Do you guys really think that the screwed barrels are really any better than the pinned ones? Also, along the same lines, are the milled trigger guards really any better than the stamped ones? I was just wondering if it was really worth paying the extra money for the SKS' that have the screwed barrel & milled trigger guards. I would love to hear your thoughts on this matter. Thanks H47 Posted on Jun 15 1999, 09:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it all depends by rick i guess it depends on how much you shoot. if you go out and rattle off 50 or 100 rounds every few months, it probably makes no difference. but if you were going into battle everyday, firing 100's or 1000's of rounds, i'd go for the higher quality. as much as most of us shoot sks' you'd probably never know the difference. Posted on Jun 16 1999, 06:53 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pinned and Screwed by Dip Dip H47, we regard Steve Kehaya and Joe Poyer's epic work, THE SKS CARBINE (North Cape Publications, Tustin, CA, 1996) as a pretty definative authority on most questions relating to architecture and performance. Here is what they have to say regarding your question: "Thousands of the pinned versions of the SKS Carbine have been sold and fired. No reports have been received (of)any problems with this type of installation attributable to the different type fastening. The jury is still out as to which model is more accurate, the screwed in barrel or the pinned version. We have received reports favoring both systems, but so far, nothing conclusive has developed. The screwed in barrel does appear to command a premium, however." Dare we opine the important thing to do, in mid-June 1999, is to get as many carbines into as many different competent hands as possible so that individuals can train effectively in the short time remaining and achieve a level of proficiency necessary for personal survival as well as power projection? The moment for academic discourse has passed. Posted on Jun 16 1999, 08:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bravo... more important issues do indeed loom (ctxt) by Gary Besides, if Heckler & Koch has been making firearms with pressed & pinned barrels since the 1950s, don't you think the design has merit? I've yet to see any SKS "shoot loose", our attention is far better directed to the firing range. Just don't go and use up your ammo cache! Gary Posted on Jun 16 1999, 09:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks guys!...NTXT by hunter47 Posted on Jun 16 1999, 09:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Removal of Piston Spring by JDF Could someone tell me the best way to remove the piston extension/piston return spring from a Russian 1953r SKS? Light pressure doesn't budge it. Don't want to use too much force unless I know what I'm doing :-) Thanks Posted on Jun 15 1999, 08:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- manual for sks by bud JDF, look at response to bob's question (somethings wrong) and you will find suvivors manual for sks. Don't use force on any weapon until you understand completly how the mechanisim operates. The sks can be damaged several ways if not disembled and assembled properly and in the right sequence. Hope this helps, if not ask again as most of the guys in this forum are very knowledgeable about sks and guns in general. Bud Posted on Jun 15 1999, 09:51 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manual doesn't cover it. by JDF Bud: Appreciate the link to the manual, but I notice it doesn't mention how to remove and clean the piston extension and piston return spring (short piston and spring). In a previous message, someone mentioned the importance of remembering to clean this part of the rifle, especially if it gets filled with grease. Any instructions would be appreciated! Thanks Posted on Jun 16 1999, 01:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, here's how you do it... (Ctxt) by Gary I just installed one, so I do know whereof I speak. The cam lock that releases the gas tube will also release the piston extension and spring. Lift the cam lever enough to release the gas tube and lift the gas tube & upper handguard assembly out of the way. Then take a small, flat-blade screwdriver and use the tip to press in on the piston extension. You should feel this "operating rod" move, though you *are* pressing against the operating rod spring. (I'm getting out of sequence here. Stop and remove the bolt and carrier, that way there's no locked bolt to hold pressure against the piston extension /operating rod) Okay, with the bolt and carrier removed, you should be able to move the rod back a bit with the screwdriver. You can see the other end of it protrude above the chamber, where it would in operation push on the bolt carrier to unlock the breech. With the rod slightly depressed with that screwdriver blade, grab that gas tube lock handle and turn it further towards the muzzle. You should now be able to release the pressure carefully and let the piston extension slide out towards the muzzle. The spring can be easily fished out of there, too. Assembly is in reverse order. See, that was easy! Regards, Gary Posted on Jun 16 1999, 10:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Worked like a charm! by JDF Gary, Appreciate your info. Came out without a hitch. Many Thanks, JDF Posted on Jun 17 1999, 03:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- who has cheap "dragonov" stocks? by rick ive seen them for around $50...anybody seen 'em cheaper? Posted on Jun 15 1999, 08:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheap stocks...ctxt by hunter47 Rick, I think you may be refering to the Fiberforce Draganov Stock made by ATI. Can I be honest here?...they suck! Your best bet is to spend a little more and buy a Choate Draganov Stock. The craftsmanship is much better and they are much lighter. They are around $75, but they are well worth it! You can find them at the following address: www.catalog.com/uws/choate.html, or you can call Choate directly at 501-724-6193. Good luck! Posted on Jun 16 1999, 09:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free caching info for CA SKS by bb http://members.aol.com/norustbags/cache.html Hope it helps. Posted on Jun 14 1999, 08:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Somethings not right . . . by Bob J. Couple of problems you guys might help me with. Took my Chinese sporter out for the third time today and borrowed an SKS windage adjustment tool from a guy at the next bench. Front sight lug absolutely would not budge for either one of us. I lubed it and was careful to line the holes in the clamp and the lug up properly - - no luck. Also, on cleaning at home, the piston extension rod and spring popped out from under the sight housing. This had not happened before. Is this supposed to be captive and something broke ? Need a third hand to get it all back together. Rather new to these and can use all the help I can get. TIA Bob Posted on Jun 14 1999, 03:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- assembly sks by bud Bob, as I am new to sks also I will not presume to offer my knowledge but if you will go to survivors web site (back to the cabin) at the upper part of this page and select the pictures of sks you will find an on line manual for sks carbines which obviously we all need for safety and maintenance reasons. Good luck bud Posted on Jun 15 1999, 09:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL for Manual by Survivor Online SKS Manual Posted on Jun 15 1999, 05:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dont worry, those problems are often encountered..... by HAL-2000 You have a 1953 Russian SKS? Hmmmmm, let's see, that's given the parts 46 years to lock up tight! To loosen the front site you just have to carefully work it both ways, don't use too much force though or you will break it. As for your other problem, it just sounds as if you've raised the gastube retaining latch one position too far, the latch has three positions(locked, gastube unlocked, and oprod unlocked), to correct the problem, just push the oprod back into it's place and hold it back, it might be easier to hold with the eraser end of a pencil(just dont jab yourself with the other end), then carefully lower the retaining latch down a position, this should lock the oprod in place as long as you had it pushed back far enough. Hope this helps. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 11:03 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- can anyone tell me about "slamfires"? by rick i have heard of this happening, but was never quite sure what it was. i have shot sks' for years and aside from a couple of jams from jung magazines, they have always shot flawless. thanks for the info Posted on Jun 14 1999, 11:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slamfire by Lone Fox Slamfire is when you close the action after loading the firearm. If you let the action slam frorward to lock the round into the chamber. If you have a problem with the firing pin (Stuck, Broken, etc.) it could be sticking out from the bolt face. When the action is slammed forward with the pin sticking out it will hit the rounds primer. Hence the word slamfire. If it is bad enough it could keep shooting until the mag is empty. That is worse case, usually it only shots a few rounds off by accident. Know your target and beyond Lone Fox Posted on Jun 14 1999, 09:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slam fires been there done that by J.A. In the late 80's loaded some soft point ammo for hunting deer with Remington primers. Had slam fires when friend shot at a deer. He said he shot 3 times it sounded like more to me. Unloaded his magazine and there were 3 shells left. So I pulled the bullets and primers switched to Winchester primers and never had any more slam fires. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 06:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip Stocks - Are They Legal? by Don Is it legal to put a non-folding pistol grip stock on my SKS? Posted on Jun 14 1999, 10:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a better descrition of the gun by john Is it just your stock sks with no other mods.? Posted on Jun 15 1999, 12:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only thing I've done to it is... by Don The only thing I've done to it is replace the 10 round fixed mag with a 20 round fixed mag. It has a bayonet on it, was on it when I bought it from the dealer. Oh, I also put a muzzle break on it. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 04:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHOULD be ok by john As long as the stock is non-folding. Some insight to many gun laws can be found at subguns.com. I say should be ok because sometimes the laws change and we don't hear about them. This was the case in 1998, at least for me, when it became illegal to remove the bayonet lug and put on a monte carlo stock and then use detachable magazines. That used to be ok but now its not. Anyways I can't be absoultly sure, but I think it is still legal. Posted on Jun 16 1999, 06:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only thing I've done to it is... by Don The only thing I've done to it is replace the 10 round fixed mag with a 20 round fixed mag. It has a bayonet on it, was on it when I bought it from the dealer. Oh, I also put a muzzle break on it. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 06:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About a para type short gas tube. by D.Co Does anybody know if someone makes an all metal replacement for the short tube on a paratroop length gun. it's actually one of the Kali verbooten detachable mag guns and the last time i shot it it was like the wooden handguard was on fire. Posted on Jun 13 1999, 01:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Handguard on fire? by DaMan D, you may not have cleaned all the Cosmoline (or the Chinese equivalent) out of the gas tube. You didn't really say what you meant "by one fire". Smoking or hot as hell? If it was smoking, just clean out the gas tube, if red hot......well ease up on the trigger, dude! ;-) Regards! DaMan Posted on Jun 16 1999, 08:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Handguard Swapping by DHill Anyone have a surefire technique of replacing gas port hand guards? I purchased an aftermarket stock which installed flawlessly and am looking to replace the wooden handguard with a steel vented. That dadburn rivet/pin holding the guard and port together is doing its job magnificently; the hammer-punch technique is getting me nowhere thus far and I fear using more brute force. I was considering drilling away (carefully) the rivet material as my next option, but the last thing I want to do is compromise the weapon. I see Tapco has the complete assemblies available for $40 and am considering such, but am also seeking the satisfaction of doing the job myself; albeit at the risk of great frustration. Lastly, any word on the quality of the aftermarket vented steel handguards? Thanks guys. Posted on Jun 12 1999, 05:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FAQ on Hand guard removal by Ron The following is from the gun-guru KidMary, it helped me and I was successful in putting the new furniture back on the gas tube. Ron The handgard is "permanently attached. You'll therefore have to defeat a pin at the very rear of the assembly as this is the fitting that holds everything together. Do you see it on yours? I'm speaking of the sheet metal escutcheon that protrudes from the rear of the handguard, and the pin that lays across it perpendicular to it. You'll need to drive that sucker out, from left or from right no matter. Don't fret if this connector is difficult to see as they often appear to be part of the escutcheon itself. The hard part will be finding a replacement for it as you may have to damage it in moving it out (be sure to have the correct size punch for the job). When re-installed or a substituted is added, it has to be square with the escutcheon sides or you'll not be able to refit the assembly in place. Folkssucceed in doing this, somehow, so I expect you to be able to as well. Posted on Jun 12 1999, 08:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks by DHill I appreciate the reply, Ron; I reckon I just need to learn to swing that hammer a little harder. In that the ends of the pin are ground down flush with the escutcheon it creates what is practically an interference fit, apparently necessitating the application of "brute force". Thanks again. Posted on Jun 13 1999, 04:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flush fit pin by Ron Your welcome, mine was the same way. After the encouragement for KidMary I just went ahead and punched from one direction, and the pin came out with a slight deformation on one end. The dremel was able to smooth the one end of the pin, left the other end "flared". Everything went back together fine. Have fun. Ron Posted on Jun 13 1999, 08:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTB SKS by KScntyCOP I am looking to buy a SKS preferably one already set up for detachable magazines. Willing to pay reasonable price for good rifle. Thanks. Posted on Jun 11 1999, 09:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got one 4 U by moparman Email me for particulars.ANIB and setup. Posted on Jun 13 1999, 08:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks by Val Are u still looking for an SKS? If so email any particulars you want & I will try to fix you up. I am not a good negotiator, so let me know how much you think is a good price & we'll work on it. I've got 1 w/ a 10 rd fixed mag, 1 w/a chinese 20 rd fixed mag & 1 w/ steel 30 rd detachable mag. E-mail pcg8r@earthlink.net Posted on Jun 13 1999, 07:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Millet scope mount by guthrie Has anyone tried the millet mount that was discussed below? I am wondering how it preformed and the cost..TIA guthrie Posted on Jun 11 1999, 11:05 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My question too! by DaMan Also, I have been unable to bring up the Millet site! What is the correct URL? TIA DaMan Posted on Jun 12 1999, 02:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.millettsights.com by DaMan Thanks to Guthrie for correct URL! This mount looks good! With a red dot or a low power intermediate eye relief scope! Waiting to hear from someone who's tried this mount! Regards! DaMan Posted on Jun 12 1999, 08:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christ theyre banning SKS in CA! THE END IS NEAR! by SIGFOLLEN WHAT STARTS OUT THERE COMES EAST- GUN CONFISCATION IS THAT MUCH CLOSER! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? FIGHT THE NATIONAL GUARD BOYS? IS THAT WHATS COMING? ANOTHER CIVIL WAR? Posted on Jun 10 1999, 06:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- don't be alarmed--controller just want to help you by TEXAS LAWMAN Now let us not over-react. You couldn't possibly believe the gun-control people (i.e. government) will go any further once they get your SKS-D (just think, the Kalif. AG will pay you $230 for it). Why, the antis wouldn't think of passing 2nd Amendment restrictions in increments, would they? Folks, NOW is the time to write, call, fax, e-mail your U.S. Congressman & do it multiple times. We still have a chance to postpone CIVIL WAR II. Do it today! Posted on Jun 11 1999, 08:44 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I got one question for you TEXAS Lawman. by razu Here it is, as a rep of law enforcement on this board, the only one I can recal openly expressing this affiliation, which side of the issue do you and your colligues fall in this discussion. I have been a law abiding citizen to date {as far as I know, they keep adding to the cannot do law list} and plan to allow "them" to pry my cold fingers from my property, then and only then. I have written my rep and congressman neumerous times, and am looking for any group in this great state that has already begun a non-show of arms protest in AUSTIN. I am not a leader and wouldn't know how to get the ball rolling, but am willing to spend as much of my free time as needed, or even spend my vac. I live in PLANO. If you have heard of any such protest or are willing to coridinate any such protest, please let me know. RC Posted on Jun 11 1999, 05:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by TEXAS LAWMAN Have not heard of a planned protest but recall one took place in Austin a few years ago. Suggest you contact Texas State Rifle Assoc. (www.tsra.com) for info & a discussion on same. Can't speak for my brother officers--this one has never & isn't going to bother law-abiding folks for 'violating' some unconstitutional law. I took an oath to uphold the Texas & US constitutions. I have never bothered good folks who happened to have a handgun in car while speeding, etc. Many officers' spouses carry 'illegally' and have for years. Would be pretty hypocritical to arrest someone else for same. (Why, I've even been known to possess hollow point ammo in NJ.) Gun control has occurred in increments in the US. Hasn't accomplished squat. Concealed carry permit systems in some 31 states have indisputably helped to lower the violent crime rate. (It really galls me that the other 49 states are not like Vermont, where one may carry without anyone's permission.) Keep the faith, fellow Texan. We can win this battle! Posted on Jun 12 1999, 06:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by GaryC Hey Texas Lawman, I believe you are correct (ofcourse you'd know more than me). I live in Texas and was wearing a small holster once when I stopped at a store to get a few things, I usaully take it off after before I go anywhere but forgot. Anyway a cop spotted it and followed me to my truck, he asked me if I had a firearm inside the truck (I thought I was in for it now). I told him I did and then he asked to see it, so I showed it to him. He called in to make sure I was not wanted for anything and when I came back clean he wished me a good day and left. This was just before concealed carry. Glad I live in Texas where freedom and God still mean something. Good Day! Posted on Jun 13 1999, 05:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I doubt Jesus will be involved in this issue.... by guy even though in Matthew he told his disciples to sell their coats to buy a sword, if they didn't have one....I find your language offensive Posted on Jun 15 1999, 04:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yet another fact challenged news story by Rebel This quote is in an article from the USA TODAY internet site: "Another fugitive caught with the instant background check was Joseph Salisbury Jr. A landscaper from Monroe County, Mich., he was arrested May 11 at a local gun store when he tried to buy a SKS semi-automatic rifle, the Chinese version of the AK-47. Salisbury, 24, says he wanted it for hunting." Wow ! I always thought the SKS preceded the AK-47 and was developed by the Russians..... Another fine example of the accuracy in the media. Posted on Jun 10 1999, 05:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AKs next by Ilya Sounds to me like someone is preparing to go after AKs. What do you think? Posted on Jun 11 1999, 10:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help please on windage adjust asap by AZFloyd I have an AK type of rifle but I guess the windage adjustment is about the same (?). I have an SA 93. What I'm wondering is how to adjust the windage on the front site. Do I punch the big pin one way or another. Going shooting tommorow and hoping for some info. thanks a head of time. Posted on Jun 10 1999, 03:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't use a drift punch!...ct by Gary Move that "big pin" the correct way, with a screw-type sight adjuster. You might be able to fabricate one from a small C-clamp and a spare socket from your toolbox. Use the end of the threaded portion of the clamp to push against the "big pin". Center the other end of the "big pin" in an oversized socket, so that as the clamp is tightened, the pin can move into the hollow space inside the socket. Or, go stop at a local gunshop and see if they have an AK/SKS front sight adjusting tool - it's easier to use. Posted on Jun 11 1999, 09:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks much! Thats all i needed to know. nt by AZFloyd nt Posted on Jun 11 1999, 10:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Replacing front sight assembly and bayonet lug... ct by Gary Hello to all. First, thanks to all who've posted tons of valuable information here, you helped me track down the last few parts that I needed to complete my old SKS barreled receiver. The last parts to be installed are the above mentioned sight assembly and bayonet lug. I purchased the barreled receiver in 1990, it was simply noted as an SKS on the 4473, no reference to an incomplete weapon. As far as anyone knows, it was complete at that time -- so I feel that I can safely configure it as a "pre-ban" However, as always your comments are welcome. The front sight has to go on anyway, regardless of the bayonet lug issue. The part that I received (from Classic Arms) is a barrel stub cut from a scrapped SKS, so I have to drive out the pins and remove the parts from that barrel stub and then install them on my barrel. Questions: Before I drag out the punches and the hammer, are those pins tapered (as on the AR-15 sight)? If so, do you drive them out left-to-right, or vice versa? Once "de-pinned", are the parts a tight "press fit" requiring heat, or are they silver soldered? Alignment won't be a problem, my barrel is already "notched" for the pins. I'd appreciate any insight into this job, thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions. Gary Posted on Jun 10 1999, 08:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- front sight and bayo lug by Tom O. Gary, I've done this job and have got to tell you its not easy. The pins are straight so it does not matter which side you drive from. I would look to see if one side is mushroomed from installtion and drive from the opposite side. Use a short stubby punch as a full length one will probably bend or break (these pins are really tight). I also used a propane torch to heat the metal surrounding the pin, try not to heat the pin. Make sure you use a good solid block to support it while you drive the pins out. Once the pins are out the next problem is getting the barrel stub pressed out. It too is a very tight press fit. The first thig I suggest you do is drill out as much of the barrel stub as possible. This will weaken the wall and allow it te be removed much easier.A little heat from the propane torch helps here too. I have tried to remove them without drilling out the barrel stub but only succeded in bending the bayo mount lugs. I ended up making a fixture for pressing out the barrel stub using an arbor press it works much better than the hammer and punch routine. Once you have gotten the bayo mount off the next problem is getting it on the new barrel (remenber this is a very tight press fit). My understanding is the factory had special alignment fixtures and presses to do the job. Don't try to eyeball it and drive it on with a hammer trust me it won't work been there done that. what will work is to hone out the inside diameter of the bayo mount untill it will just start to slide on with a twisting motion. This needs to be just right too loose and It will never stay put too tight and it may get stuck part way on. Just hone a little and try it then hone some more and try again untill you get it right. I've had good results using this method but I do have a machine shop at my disposal (this helps). Be patient and don't force it you should be ok. ps The pins are metric 2.5mm Hard to find but 3/32" roll pins will work Tom O. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 07:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the suggestions (ctxt) by Gary Especially the prep ideas such as lightly honing the inside surfaces until it's a tight slip fit. I have a machine shop that will help too (I may get them to drill out the barrel stub, they've got more drill bits than me!), but for the honing I may try a tool that has sat unused for years: A small hone designed for valve lifter bores and disk brake caliber cylinders. I think it will adjust below 1/2", it *should* work. A multi-speed cordless drill should allow the correct amount of control. Also, I could try freezing the barrel and heating the sight and bayonet lug in boiling water - that will often do the trick. As you pointed out, you do have to position it correctly before the parts lock together. My wife would probably get suspicious when I offer to clean out the fridge, though! ;-) Again, thanks for your help. I'm off to the garage! Regards, Gary Posted on Jun 16 1999, 10:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Welch / English American OK guys, new member of forum and need your help.. just purchased sks paratrooper soaked in cosmoline except for the middle of the gas tube which is rusted badly. Where can I find a replacement ? Thanks Bud Posted on Jun 09 1999, 02:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gas tube replacement by ron Check out TAPCO. www.tapco.com Good people to buisness with. Posted on Jun 09 1999, 05:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THANKS RON by BUD Thanks Ron, will check them out. Still gathering sources for good stuff. Posted on Jun 10 1999, 07:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yo. Check this out. by Snakebite http://www.sksbuyback.org/illegal60.ram (Copy and paste address into your browser window). You'll need an audio program to hear this ad. Not a fake. The real McCoy. The voice of Big Brother in Kalifornia. Get used to it :o) Posted on Jun 08 1999, 10:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7.62x39 ammo 124.95 delivered...Cole's dist. ...got mine in three days! by paraman http://x-pointcgi.com/cgi-bin/users/3081/wwwboard/messages/2937.html http://www.cole-distributing.com/ Posted on Jun 07 1999, 06:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ps. that's per 1000(HP)russian&new{NTXT} by paraman ;'} Posted on Jun 07 1999, 06:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIXED MAG. CONVERSION FOR SKS-D RIFLES by Duane I picked some info on another board about a fixed mag. conversion kit for the SKS-D rifle that conforms with California law. The Co. is Becker Metal Fabrication at www.beckermfab@aol.com Posted on Jun 05 1999, 10:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this a screwed-up world, or what? (ct) by Gary Remember the endless threads about "How do I convert my fixed-magazine SKS to use AK removable magazines?"... now we've come full circle. On the bright side, at least the SKS is designed to allow loading through the top, unlike the AK-47 design which can only be configured for removable magazines. Think about it... without those detachable magazines, the AKs, ARs and such would be useless. It's good to have a few rifles that are not dependant on detachable feeding devices. That's why detachable box magazines have been so slow to gain acceptance in hunting rifles; it's another part that can be dropped, lost, damaged or forgotten on the pickup truck's seat. Keep 'em oiled! Gary Posted on Jun 07 1999, 08:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To re-stock...Or not to re-stock?? by BunkrRat I found a fantastically excellent "folding" type stock [it's actually a non-folder] and I am thinking about taking the original stock off of my 1953 Tula arsenal SKS. The stock is in excellent shape and I am thinking it might save a bit on the softwood stock. Is that just vanity, or is it a worthwhile investment of $39.97? Posted on Jun 05 1999, 09:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Taking STOCK of the SKS... by RUSSki ... I recently shot a Chinese mil-surp gun with a side-folder on it. The only advantage with it folded seems to be in carrying and storing the rifle. I personally don't like the "sporters" that look like a folder but are pinned-open because they obviously have been made that way because of yet another damned gun-law. Too much of a visible reminder of how neutered the Second Amendment is becoming! I do like the Monte Carlo design (the one with the slight extenstion where the hand grip is at the rear of the receiver). The original Russian wood is nice. It's got an air of history about it, looks good, isn't too heavy and seems reasonably strong. Still, with the strength and weight considerations, I'd probably go synthetic if I was going to have my SKS as a primary or "working" defensive arm. The synthetic is more resistant to cleaning materials, too. If you swap-out your Tula wood, be sure to clean and safely store the original. It may come in handy later as a replacement, and it will certainly retain value as an original item! Posted on Jun 05 1999, 04:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Jungle stocks by Dean I still have a couple more of these for sale: $15.00 plus shipping Posted on Jun 05 1999, 07:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fixed Magazine Question by Ramsey I just received my 30 round fixed magazine from ctd today and Installed it on my chinese sks. I was a little worried when I opend the box and found a large magazine that looked like a thirty round detachable but to install it you have put the magazine in first and then install the trigger assembly just like the original 10 round and you can not remove the magazine by pulling on the magazine release you have to take the trigger assembly back out. Is this what they consider a fixed magazine? living here in california I'm afraid to do anything to my Sks, should I worry about this modification at the range? Just want to be legal and not have to worry every time I want to go shooting. Any information would be greatly appreciated Thanks Ramsey Posted on Jun 04 1999, 11:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't worry,they'll pass another law soon by and you too can be an instant criminal!(nt) nt Posted on Jun 05 1999, 06:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds like a "fixed" mag to me...ct by Gary However, as the other response points out, "They'll pass another law soon...". So, under existing CA law, it may be legal to own a fixed-mag SKS AND that 30-round *fixed* *pre-ban* high-capacity magazine may also be legal, but the problems may come from the fact that "removable" is a relative term. The legislature could easily expand the existing ban to include "disassembly" type removable magazines. They have not done so, *yet*... The "Sunshine State" seems pretty gloomy to me, of late. Gary Posted on Jun 07 1999, 08:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rescue those California Sporters! by Gary Perhaps we could organize an "airlift" of sorts, a one-for-one trade of "standard" SKS rifles for the Californians' SKS-D Sporter models. Hey, the standard SKS is still okay in CA (for now), we just have to figure a way to contact the folks in California about the proposal. I know a few of us have a "spare" SKS that they'd like to swap for a detachable-mag model. Just trying to spare these rifles from the cutting torch, what do you guys think? Would you take a fixed-mag SKS in exchange for your SKS-D (similar condition), rather than take the $230 government voucher? Gary Posted on Jun 04 1999, 03:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it's a great idea. Keeps the people somewhat armed. ntxt by vic . Posted on Jun 04 1999, 04:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIXED MAG CONVERSION KIT FOR SKS-D RIFLES by Duane I picked up on another board that Becker Metal Fabrication has a fixed mag. conversion kit for the SKS-D rifles. E-Mail at www.beckermfab@aol.com which will satisfy kalifornia law. Posted on Jun 05 1999, 10:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wolf ammo ? by Bob J. Have seen ad in SGN and the web for Wolf ammo. Seems I read some time back that this was essentially the same Russian factory stuff as usual, but "rebranded" to get around milsurp import limitations. The ads claim that it is superior to the normal fodder. Am interested in their 7.62 X 39 HP. Anyone have experience with this ammo? Posted on Jun 03 1999, 05:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep, same stuff, ctxt... by LongDuck If you've used the Russian HP up to this point, you've grown familiar with the lacquered steel cases, the gold primers and sealant applied to the bullet/seat and primer/pocket to waterproof this round. The WOLF brand stuff is identical to older Russian JHP rounds that used to come in a plain white box with minimal lettering. Even the paper spacers within the box are the same. I think that this ammo has been repackaged to get around the military surplus issue and can then be imported as 'sporting' ammunition or 'hunting' ammunition legally and without hassle by Klinton (let's hope, for now, anyway!). It shoots identically to the older 'white-box' and once it's out of the box, you'll have a very hard time telling the difference (if you can at all). I'm happy with my purchase and squirreled away 1000 round case for when this ammo becomes hard to find - or expensive to buy from American manufacturers who will surely make a buck on the bans that Klinton is proposing. Keep in mind that many of the gun lobbyists are also into Congress for stipulations on certain things so that their industry can advance - meaning making a profit off of consumers. This may be one of the reasons why 10 round magazines were introduced (to beef up domestic suppliers costs) and with the import ammo ban (to increase profits for American distributors). There's always an agenda at work... Posted on Jun 03 1999, 01:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not the reason Longduck. by D.Co The cheap Chinese ammo/SKS thing was done for 1 reason. people start shooting young. If they don't, they probably won't start at all. A young guy with $200 in his pocket used to be able to go to a gunshow and get a SKS and a case of a thousand rounds and still have change to go to the range. Now you can't get that. The less people who shoot the less resistance to gun laws/confiscation. Young college guys who shoot on weekends grow up to be doctors, lawyers, engineers and businessmen with money who contribute to political campaigns which is where the real power is. If they don't start then there's less resistance. Posted on Jun 13 1999, 12:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What would you do? by Snakebite What would you do if you found out your neighbors were plotting to rape your wife? Let's suppose your neighbors, in this instance, are five biker dudes living in the same house. Big, mean, hairy, very bad breath. You know they're plotting to rape your wife, because you happened to overhear their conversation as you walked by an open window one day. And you don't believe they're bluffing because you know first hand they've done other such terrible things before. Would you call the cops? Of course you would. But what if the cops weren't interested in your problem? Maybe they aren't convinced of your story or have more pressing matters to attend to. Whatever the reason, you can't count on their help to prevent this horrible thing from taking place. And let's also say, for the sake of argument, that there are no neighbors to come to your aid. Maybe they don't care or are all on vacation. In other words, you're on your own. The next day, you again walk by the open window and hear that the biker dudes are planning to rape your wife soon. Probably within the next few days. You hear them say that they're going to take care of you first, then take their sweet time having fun with your lovely wife. Again, everything you've seen and heard of these bad biker dudes tells you that they're not only capable of this dispicable act, but more than likely to carry through with it. What would you do? Actually, you've got three choices. First, you can pack up and leave. Abandon the house to the wolves--or at least until the bad biker dudes get tired of your neighborhood and decide to move on to greener pastures. Of course, if you do that, chances are other bad biker dudes will move into your empty home, threatening other neighbors, who will pack up and move out, and so on--until the entire neighborhood is taken over by biker dudes. Not exactly a pleasant--or courageous--option. Second, you can prepare yourself as best you can and wait for them to come to you. This is a legitimate option--assuming you prepare adequately and have a decent backup plan should they manage to pull something unexpected. But then, of course, there's always the problem of not knowing when, exactly, they'll strike. Waiting can be a bitch. Third, you can take the fight to them. Preemptive strike. At least you'll have the element of surprise on your side, and the option of deciding when--and where--to attack. From a purely tactical standpoint (without regard to the legal issues involved), which plan makes the most sense? Which option gives you the greatest chance of not only surviving, but of maintaining your dignity and freedom as well? OK, sorry for the long, drawn-out scenario, but as you've probably guessed by now, it was merely an analogy, perhaps a rather crude one. So, what's it analogous to? Well, you see, at this very moment, there are at least a dozen (probably more) well-organized anti-gun groups in this country plotting how not only to restrict your gun rights, but how to ultimately do away with them altogether. Huh? What's that you say? I seem to have overstated the danger by using the "bad biker" analogy? Well, before you jump to that conclusion, let's consider a few points. First of all, the mere fact of civilian gun ownership has a palpable--though admittedly unmeasurable--deterrent effect on crime. Take away private ownership of guns, and you eliminate at least that facet of deterrence, leaving yourself--and your family--that much more at risk. Second, the Supreme Court has already determined that local law enforcement agencies cannot be held liable for failing to protect individuals from criminal acts. Their responsibility is to the community at large, to the safety of the general population. So much for the dial-a-cop solution to crime offered by gun banners. Third, if guns are banned, then you can bet your last dollar it will lead to calls for more extensive police protection, which in turn will lead not only to higher taxes, but still more laws, rules, regulations and government intrustion (in the interest of "safety," mind you) than we already endure. And fourth, a general ban on guns--particularly "military-style" guns--will essentially circumvent the original intent of the Second Amendment, which was to provide the people with at least the potential for resisting a tyrannical government. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with protecting hunting rights, nor does it establish a right to keep and bear arms. Rather, it was intended to protect a right pre-existing the amendment itself. As I see it, the gun-grabbers out there who are formulating strategies to undermine the Second Amendment--and using the three branches of government to do it--are every bit the threat to your wellbeing as those bikers dudes were in my analogy. This subject is far too vast to cover adequately in the few paragraphs I've written here, but I am at least afforded the opportunity to leave you with this thought: Your present attitude toward, and response to, those who are even now seeking to deprive you of your God-given and constitutional rights will, ultimately, determine the attitude and response necessary to regain those rights in the future. In other words, the longer we placate--or worse, ignore--the enemies of our liberty, the more difficult it will be to repair the damage they're allowed to do. They are not your friends. They are not mere political opponents. They are, quite simply, your enemies. And the longer we wait to engage them on the battlefield of ideas, using every legal and ethical means at our disposal, the more certain it becomes that we will meet them on another battlefield, one far less forgiving of indifference. Keep the fire burning bright! Posted on Jun 02 1999, 04:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Off Topic, BUT SO WHAT, We Need Such Motivation... by RUSSki I hope Survivor will be a little forgiving with the above "Non-SKS" post. It IS in a way, though, because the SKS represents one of the most affordable, easily maintained, accurate and reliable "militia" arms out there. As soon as the AntiGun Cadre sniffs-out these facts, then the move will be on to ban this "obviously non-sporting, military-issued" design. It is well past time for us to engage the enemy in more tangible ways than griping to one another and clenching our fists in rage. Don't roll your eyes, people, as you no-doubt hear "vote, write congress, etc" coming next. Well, you're right. DO THOSE THINGS, but also get really curious about HCI and the other AntiFreedom Terrorists/Propagandists out there. Call their 1-800 numbers ALOT. Send in dozens of requests for their brochures - so what if some of the reply-to addresses are bogus - or are for known antigunners in the media, etc. All of these things are non-violent ways to hinder and fight those seeking no less than a total ban on all privately-owned guns. It comes down to fighting the SOBs like this, or having to "do the other thing". Let this be one instance in which we don't have to be pushed THAT far! Oh, and God Bless Mr Bob Lippman @ Cole Distributing for his great e-mailed ProGun updates and NON-Gouger prices on ammo, ESPECIALLY 7.62x39. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 08:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOW!! You Touched a Nerve by TEXAS LAWMAN I have quietly thought through the preemptive strike idea a few hundred times over the past 20 years. If I were sure the enemies could and were about to hurt my loved ones, I'd DO IT! But I'd have to be CERTAIN they would do it. Otherwise, I'd just be extra vigilant. Got a pretty stout house w/alarm etc., have lots of firepower instantly available, family members all hit their targets, can radio & have 15-20 police here in a couple of minutes. Lots of folks do not have the luxury of waiting to see what will happen. Now, what about those groups/persons who are about to drive the last nail in our "constitutional rights coffin" -- haven't answered this question yet -- had better take some time and do some serious thinkin'. THANK YOU for the reminders!!! Posted on Jun 03 1999, 01:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unintended Consequences by Dean Great book by John Ross, Required reading for all gun people/patriots! Posted on Jun 03 1999, 03:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd go for option two, unless... ct by Gary I was able to get continuous audio surveillance on them. Were that the case and I could hear their plans in detail, I might go for the preemptive strike. It'd sure be nice to have the element of surprise on my side, but in any case, they've already tipped their hand. If I chose to let them come to me, that'd do just fine. This sounds like a great scenario for "The Red Zone", the concealed-carry "what-if" game over at www.recguns.com. I think The Red Zone could use some new scenarios, perhaps one involving an armed teacher on school grounds. Check it out. Posted on Jun 04 1999, 11:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do I make trigger creep adjustments? by Gunner Does anyone know how to do any trigger work on a milled trigger group? Mine is too rough. Don't need the name of a gunsmith, I prefer to do the work myself. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 02:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuning trigger by Pete/OR Hello Gunner My old computer locks up if I send to long a message, so send me your e-mail address and I will explain what you need a little at a time. Pete pcyote@pioneer-net.com Posted on Jun 04 1999, 11:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger by Gunner Respond to gunner3160@aol.com. Any info given will be appreciated. Posted on Jun 05 1999, 04:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger tuning... ct by Gary Fellas, could you please post the details here on the board, once you've exchanged info? Most of us have some idea of what's needed, but almost everyone adds an idea or two. I think everyone would appreciate the tech info, if only to print it out for future reference. Thanks, Gary Posted on Jun 07 1999, 08:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS trigger job #1 by Pete/OR You probably know a lot of this stuff, but I will begin from the beginning just to be be sure we got it all covered. With a little work, and taking the trigger assem. apart, you can figure out how it works. Nice to have another assembled trigger setup to help guide you in reassembly. First remove the trigger assem. Dry fire the rifle to let the hammer down. You do this so the hammer will release the sear for removal. Put the saftey on. Just behind the trigger guard there is a hole with a locking post sticking up that has an indent in it. Push forward on the post with a small punch in the indent and the trigger assem. will pop up a bit. Lift the trigger assem. up and back to the rear to remove. Posted on Jun 07 1999, 10:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS tigger job #2 by Pete/OR Remove the pin at the front to the trigger assem. This allows the removal of the magazine latch, sear spring, and sear which is a square block which slides on rails. You can polish the top of the sear which is the contact surface with a very fine new stone. Take care to keep the surface of the sear flat and true. This will smooth and reduce the trigger pull. You can reduce the trigger travel by shortening the contact surface of the sear under the hammer. You do this by putting a slight bevel on the front of the sear from the contact surface down to the top of the slide grove. This bevel shortens the top surface somewhat less than a 1/16". Its a "bevel a bit", reasssemble, check travel, and repeat. Hope this helps! Good luck! If you need more info contact me. pcyote@pioneer-net.com Posted on Jun 07 1999, 10:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS trigger job by Pete/OR--Don't oil trigger assem.It attracts dirt. . Posted on Jun 07 1999, 11:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bullpup stock by Bob Werner Anybody here have any dealings with BP Sports? They advertised a bullpup stock for the SKS over a year ago, but it looks like they have run into production/financing problems. Are they still a going concern? Posted on Jun 02 1999, 10:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forward Scopemount for SKS? by Al Benecki I was thinking of making a custom sccope mount fo the SKS.One that would mount forward on the barrel or gas tube ass.and use a long eye relief scope,kinda like a scout scope setup.I am a tool and die maker so haveing it machined is no trouble.Any suggestions or input or ideas welcome.Al Posted on Jun 01 1999, 10:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YES! by Grant R. Aikin I have often wondered why this kind of mout is so hard to find. With the poliferation of LER/EER rifle and pistol scopes this would seem a natural. Besides, the layout of the SKS really lends it's self to this type of mount. I would think a simple "U" shaped bracket of 1/8 in steel or 1/4 in aluminum over the reciever, above, or in lue of the rear sight would be the way to go. Maybe use 4 hex screws with poined tips (2 on either side of the reciever) to secure it to the reciever block. Perhaps the block would be contured in such a way that the bracket would fit flush to allow one to tap 4 small holes into the reciever for the points of the hex srews to fit in. This would obviate the need for professional dilling and taping of the reciever. The top of the bracket (the "base" of the "U" shape) would have a tang that jutted out somewhat over the gastube. Along it there would be several treaded holes for the installation of the prevailing weaver rail or Piccattiny rail if you prefer. If this helps, no royalties needed, just send me a couple of samples. I think this is a long overdue project and would be happy to further it along. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 08:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good idea!! by 10/22 junkie If you have any success in attempting this it would be highly desirable because the scope mounts on factory rear covers just don't seem to hold still. Also removing the reciever cover will not bring the scope back to zero when replaced after cleaning out the action. Since through cleaning is required after shooting surplus corrosive ammo. Write back soon on the results. 10/22 Junkie Posted on Jun 02 1999, 10:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Scout" configuration (ctxt) by Gary Okay, here's my two cents: I have a copy of an old magazine article on the hunting merits of the 7.62x39 cartridge. It showed a picture of a Ruger Mini-30 and an SKS standing side-by-side, and the SKS had a forward-mounted scope. That article was published in American Rifleman magazine, somewhere in the 1987 to 1991 period, so there have been people tinkering with the idea for some time. When I saw the scope, my first thought was that it was mounted too close to the muzzle, it was in fact mounted to the gas tube *in front of the handguard*, wayyy out there. I believe it is a scope mount designed for use on the Thompson-Center Contender pistol. I know that if you search the web for "Scout rifle", you'll find a site (can't remember the URL) that details a number of "economy scout rifles", all based on Enfield, Mauser or Moisin-Nagant surplus weapons. The Contender scope mount is mentioned there, too. So, what if one were to go buy a spare wood handguard and carefully cut a slot down the center, staying away from the ends so it won't break in half? A slot just long enough to clear the scope mount would be perfect, and it'd allow the scope to attach to the gas tube directly in front of the receiver, rather than perched way up front. There are currently replacement Chinese gas tube assemblies that must be filed a tiny bit to fit, the gas tube lock cam won't close unless you bevel that rear top edge a bit, hand-fitting one of those would provide a tighter-fitting gas tube and a sturdier place to mount the scope. Another idea is to fabricate a split "figure eight" clamp to solidly bind the barrel and gas tube together. The Scout scope design that was posted here a few months ago incorporated that into its design. I'm thinking more along the lines of those support clamps that are used on shotguns with magazine tube extensions, they squeeze from the sides. Heck, some simple steel strap wrapped around the gas tube and barrel, then drilled between the gas tube and barrel and pinched with a small bolt and nylon locknut - that would secure it from moving. Thoughts, comments, criticisms, whaddaya think? Posted on Jun 03 1999, 10:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A good idea... by V-Shrake Definitely something to work on, but I think the best way to go would be to have the scope mount replace the rear sight assembly. Putting it on the gas tube, while easier, leaves us with the same dilemna as the receiver-mounted scopes: loss of zero everytime you clean the weapon. I clean the gas system after every trip to the range, as do most people shooting the SKS, I'm sure. Also, putting it on the gas tube would place it too far forward. Posted on Jun 03 1999, 08:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All good ideas. by Al Benecki I was thinking of trying to replace the front sight assb. as the backpart of the mount and fabricate aa figure 8 clamp that would attach to the barrel and allow the gas tube to pass thru to allow the gas tube to be removed without bothering the mount.I want to 1.be able to leave the scope zeroed and semi-permentant mount 2.try not to drill and tap or harm the firearm so that it can't be brought back to original condition without alot of hassle.3.make the mount strong,fixed and as low to rifle as possible.Al Posted on Jun 03 1999, 11:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How about this? by DaMan Use the rear sight base. Remove the rear sight bar and leaf spring and use the base as a platform for mounting a no-gunsmithing (ie. drilling and tapping) type mount with an integral Weaver type rail. With a low-power (2 1/2 X ?)intermediate eye relief scope, this would be "the ticket"! I think all SKS scope mounting systems that use the receiver cover, the gas tube or the barrel, are doomed to failure! If there is some ambitious machinist out there looking for a project, let me know and I'll send you my design ideas. Send me an e-mail with subject: SKS Forward Mount. DaMan Posted on Jun 05 1999, 07:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- great idea but already out there! by Fourdeuce Millett sights make them for not only the sks,but also the ak,mac90 types.Mini 14's also.Do a web search for their web site. Posted on Jun 06 1999, 09:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks... by Grant R. Aikin That's on the web at millett.com. It looks like you remove the rear sight, repin the Millet mount in its place and tension the system tight with a screw on the bracket of the mount. Great Idea! Posted on Jun 06 1999, 03:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Sad State, California by Ron Dear Friends of the SKS forum, please read the following link. It is indeed a sign of possible things to come elswhere. Please write, fax, email, call your congress people and tell them no more new gun laws! Join the NRA or GOA and do all that you can do to stop this insanity! Ron http://www.sksbuyback.org/1.html Posted on May 31 1999, 09:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Grant R. Aikin While this new law is stupid, try not to sweat it to much. An SKS is much better with the original 10 or 20 round fixed mag than with any of the highly impractical 30 round detachable mags. A stripper clip can be kept loaded forever and it is even easier to reload than "rock in" AK type mags. Forget about those mags with the long tang, you'd be dead by the time you got it seated. You can also forget trying to low crawl with a 30 round mag, it will catch on every stray leaf, twig and vine, and taking up a good prone position is right out. Besides, the "Sporter" is one of the worst SKS production runs. However, with used SKS's running around $150, I think you could make a nice profit if you hit some of the out of state gun shows. Posted on Jun 01 1999, 09:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't get too excited over the money... by Gary From what I've read, it does not seem certain that the funding for the $230 per rifle has actually been obtained. Go read the thread at www.thefiringline.com, under General Discussion. It abso****ingposilutely blows. Well... now I guess we really know for sure where all the commies went, hell, even Gorbachev has a place there. Home away from home... Another point: Even if the potential exists to turn a handsome profit, I'd rather see my SKS sitting on a used gun rack in some other state than torched by the Californicators. Thank God I don't live there, but I'm not breathing a sigh of relief. This'll likely spread beyond Califoria, probably first to the East coast. Remember in "Wargames", when they designated Las Vegas as Ground Zero? Their windage was off a bit, should've aimed further west. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 03:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think that is bad, check this one out! by Steve S. Home - Yahoo! - My Yahoo! - Help -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! News Politics Headlines Wednesday June 2 12:04 AM ET Tough Assault Gun Bill Passes Calif. Senate Full Coverage Gun Control Debate SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - California's state Senate Tuesday approved a tough gun control measure that officials say is an important step toward creating ``the toughest assault weapon ban in the nation.'' The Senate, in a 22-to-13 vote, passed the bill authored by Democratic Sen. Don Perata, who said it could help prevent tragedies like the April 20 massacre of 13 people at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, by two teen-age gunmen. ``One of the weapons used in the Columbine High School ... would have been illegal under SB23, under my bill,'' Perata said, referring to a TEC-DC/9 assault pistol. ``It is now legal under current California law because it is a copycat and it was manufactured to evade the law.'' Political observers expect the bill to be passed by the state Assembly and sent to the desk of Democratic Gov. Gray Davis, who has vowed to sign it. The Perata bill is designed to build on state legislation passed after a California schoolyard shooting in 1989 which banned specific models of military-style semiautomatic weapons, but left ``copycat'' weapons sold with slightly altered designs and names still legal. Perata's bill seeks to ban weapons based on basic characteristics and firepower rather than just model names. The measure also would ban the manufacture and sale of large-capacity ammunition magazines. A similar bill passed both the state Senate and the state Assembly last year, but was vetoed by outgoing Republican Gov. Pete Wilson, who declared it was a ``maze which would entrap the unwary'' and lead to endless litigation. Perata says he is confident the bill will once again pass the Democratic-controlled assembly, and Wilson's successor, Democratic Gov. Gray Davis, has pledged to sign the bill, which he has called ``the toughest assault weapon ban in the nation.'' ``I am determined that these weapons will become illegal on my watch,'' Davis told reporters in April. ``There is no justification whatsoever for them on the streets of a civilized society,'' he said. Some Republicans in the state Senate used Tuesday's debate to repeat their opposition to the bill, which critics say will be hard to enforce because similar weapons have been in circulation for so long. Opponents also say the wording of the bill is so broad that many hunting and sport guns would become illegal. ``It may make people feel really good and safe but I can guarantee you it will never work,'' said Republican Sen. Maurice Johannesen. ``So why don't we just concentrate on punishments for those who use them illegally rather than trying to disarm those that own them legally.'' Perata's bill would require owners to submit to a background check, register their weapons and convert magazines to hold a maximum of only 10 rounds. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 12:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup pretty bad by Todd ``One of the weapons used in the Columbine High School ... would have been illegal under SB23, under my bill,'' Perata said, referring to a TEC-DC/9 assault pistol." Yes but has anyone ever thought that maybe they would have just gotten this type of gun from the blackmarket or simply have used something else? What about those bombs made up of common items you can get anywhere, haven't heard alot about those. And when these new laws don't work they'll just try to pass more, it's the liberal way. Sorry Kal residents, your state currently sucks. Posted on Jun 08 1999, 06:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sad, but true! by Steve s. I feel trapped here! Posted on Jun 09 1999, 10:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are trying to help us ;) by Me Look, the nice people from the Government are just trying to help... look at how the cocaine problem in this country has disappeared now that it is illegal... Me Posted on Jun 09 1999, 10:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Long Term NoRust Gun Storage Bags by bb Some free info. http://members.aol.com/norustbags Posted on Jun 04 1999, 02:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D C Enginering 37 round magazine by Ramsey I seen in an ad for A D C engineering 37 round magazine that says it can either be mounted fixed or detachable.Has anyone used one? Arthey legal if you mount them fixed?Are they easy too load in the fixed position. i would like to buy one if they are legal and easy to use. My 20 round fixed magazine was sure a dissappointment. I could never get it to work and would like to have a larger capacity legal magazine. any help would be appreciated. thanks Ramsey Posted on May 27 1999, 09:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37 Round Mag by Doc I bought one when I first got my Norinco SKS. It was the biggest piece of junk I've ever seen. Cheap with a lot of mis-feeds. Save you money...buy stripper clips and stick with the standard 10 rounders. Posted on May 27 1999, 12:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not to mention by john They are a pain in the butt to use when trying to shoot in the prone position. Posted on May 28 1999, 10:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Try? by Al Benecki USA mags make a fixed 20 and 30 round,I think Cheaper Than Dirt has them,maybe Tapco,or SKS Man.My 30 round detachable works fine on both my SKS's.China para. and Russian stock SKS.I also tried the fixed 20 round China one with a staar embossed on the side,had to hand file and fit in order to get it to work half assed,not worth the effort.Buy a detachable 30 rounder for if times get bad,but keep the stock fixed 10 rounder for every day use IMO.Al Posted on May 27 1999, 09:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feeding question - - by Bob J. Am new to the SKS. Took my sporter with 30 rd. E. German mag to the range the other day for our first time out. Had difficulty feeding the first round from the clip ; all subsequent rounds fed flawlessly. Did not anticipate this problem, so did not bring other mags to interchange so I could see if it was that particular mag. The range is about a three hour round trip for me, so have ordered dummy rounds from Brownell's to check feeding out at home before I make the trip again. What could be the problem and what would be the remedy? TIA Bob Posted on May 27 1999, 05:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COULD BE? by BRIAN YOU MIGHT TRY FILING DOWN THE LIPS ON THE MAG A BIT. SHARP EDGES ON NEW MAGS (REGARDLESS OF THE BRAND)ARE PRETTY COMMON. BE CAREFUL NOT TO FILE TO MUCH THOUGH. Posted on May 27 1999, 01:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- feeding problems by rocket try only loading 28 or 29 rounds at first. after about 200 rounds to break in you may find that the problem will disapear Posted on May 29 1999, 09:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRICE WARS: The Phantom Ban by RUSSki ... AK mag prices are already skyrocketing, as no-doubt are the import-mags for SKS rifles. No law has been passed, only another Nazi Gun-Control inspired bill trying to become law. Still, the money-grubbing distributors and dealers are PREYING upon your FEAR. They are no better than the GunControl vermin who use peoples' fear of crime and violence and accidents to peddle the fecal-matter known as GunControl. Price gouging might fill some pockets, but many folks will determine that shooting is becoming "too rich for their blood" and GO AWAY. With every defection, HCI and Schumer smile ever more smugly. Tell me they don't LOVE seeing our own people PRICING many of us out of the gun-debate! I'll draw "antiAmerican Way" flames and such, but wrong is wrong. I will boycott ANY gun-source which tries to MANIPULATE me with slogans like "SOON TO BE BANNED!!!" and "GET 'EM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!". You should, too. Together, we can keep our numbers of shooters, and we can all pay prices that are fair to BOTH the buyer and the seller. THAT is right, as much as the greedy-bastiges hate to admit it. Posted on May 26 1999, 09:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 Round fixed magazine by Ramsey I just Intalled one of those 20 round fixed magazine on my sks since all of the detachable one will get you in trouble. Well I found out that they dont work that good If you put more than ten rounds in it they seem to hang up in the magazine they seem to be much weaker than the stock magazine. Any one else have any luck with these magazine. My thirty round detachable feeds just fihe. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Ramsey Posted on May 26 1999, 04:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have feeding problems with any aftermarket mags... by Echo Delta 1 I have found that hollow points in any mag other than the stock 10 rder feed at the wrong angle and get serious dents in the tip- fmj not so bad- I have a zytel 30 rd that works ok, cant remember where i bought it some sks ak place in georgia, but most of the metal chink ones are ****- the sks works best in stock configuration it seems- if you want reliable high cap feeding get a mini 14- that guy that shot up the white house a while back found out the hard way about sks reliability with aftermarket mags! Posted on May 27 1999, 06:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- depends on the gun & the mags by TEXAS LAWMAN On the other hand, I've had absolutely no problem with my inexpensive Chinese 30round AK mags in my SKS Sporter. All 30 of them feed 100% as does the 5rounder that came with the gun. Judging from the postings on this topic, I can only assume I'm one lucky fella. Guess that makes my SKS worth ~$10,000. Posted on May 28 1999, 07:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Hunter I have a Chinese 20 rounder on my pre-ban and it works perfect. It has never jammed and I have shot at least 2k rounds. Posted on May 30 1999, 06:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had the same problem. Heres how to fix it. by john Here is what you need to do to fix it. If yours is like mine the "lips" of the mag are WAY to long. If I loaded a full twenty rounds in the bolt wouldn't feed. The case neck would hit the breech and the shell hadn't cleared the "lips" Use the 30 round detachable as a guide and bust out the old dremel tool. Start grinding back the lips of the twenty rounder until they are about the same length as the the detach. Not pretty but it works. Posted on May 28 1999, 10:34 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- zytel 30 rounders vs metal 30 rounders...................... by keith a so, is there any concensus on the board that the metal 30 rounders dont work well and the zytel mags work better????????? curious thanks Posted on May 31 1999, 06:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- usa mags by rick i have had problems with different mags, but have owned a few "USA" brand 30 rounders and NEVER had one jam. with alot of the others i couldn't get 2 shots off without a hangup. im not sure what the difference is, but im not arguing with what works. they cost a few dollars more but are well worth it. Posted on Jun 14 1999, 10:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammo FYI by Rebel For those tracking the avalabilty of ammo and its price: I just ordered 960 rounds Russian hollow point for 109.00. Posted on May 25 1999, 08:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not bad...but let us know where you found it? by Steve S. It would help all of us! Posted on May 26 1999, 11:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Classic Arms by Rebel Classic Arms - page 50 June 7 release of Shotgun News Magazine. They ship at actual UPS shipping cost to your state and are based out of North Carolina. There are about 5-10 others competitors listed with comparable prices. I also picked up a scope mount kit which includes a 6x32 scope and the adaptive receiver cover which allows the mounting. Posted on May 27 1999, 01:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here we go again...SKS legalities... by TheBattman My understanding (gained from the BATF web site, as well as several other SKS sites). Rule 922 was supposed to include the SKS under the "assault" weapons ruling, IF it included what many refer to as "evil" features. I believe you could have a maximum of 2 of these items, then you had to start modifying in other ways. 1. Detachable magazine 2. Triger grip or grip extending below magazine 3. Bayonette mount 4. Grenade launcher 5. Flash suppressor I believe there were other items on the list, but these cover most of the basic mods. done by most SKS owners. AS mentioned in a previous post by another indivitual, the laws that apply to the SKS may have changed since April 1998. Then again....if will really be up to the discression of the officer if a question comes up. Even if you are totally legal (if anyone can truly and acurately decipher the complicated code), it would still be a major hastle to take a ride "uptown" and have to make phone calls and possibly an attorney. Posted on May 24 1999, 09:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Rebel The tricky part here is that alteration to an SKS is actually covered under 18 USC Sec. 922 (r). (You may notice in magazines like the Shotgun News such disclaimers with advertisements for SKS detachable clips quotes such as these: "Sec 922(r) rules apply") Sec 922(r) states: "(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes" If you read 925(d)(3): "(d) The Secretary shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession thereof if the firearm or ammunition - ... (3) is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes" So if you look up the list of weapons that were banned as not suitable for sporting purposes, they specifically list the SKS 56-D, which was designed for detachable AK clips. So if you use the aftermarket non AK detachable clips to modify any fixed magazine SKS rifle after the date of enforcement (which is acutally 1990 for the SKS), you are creating the characteristics of a SKS 56-D, which was banned from importation, and hence in violation of 922(r)and not the Assault weapon ban requirements of a detachable clip and two other features are not even the issue, just the fact that you are creating a clone of 56-D. I have a Russian SKS and would recommend using the stripper clips even if clips were 100% legal. I have never had a stripper clip jam. If you want a gun that can handle clips without problems, try a Bushmaster AR-15. Posted on May 25 1999, 08:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sect. 1776-1999 "The Right... by RUSSki ... to Keep and Bear Arms SHALL NOT be Infringed." Let's quit parroting the "Sporting Purpose" horse-poop, okay, everyone? By doing so, by obeying and quoting such feculent "laws", you/we are giving them a legality that they LACK from a CONSTITUTIONAL basis. Instead, get on your Congressmens' butts NOW, and demand a ruling on the MEANING of the Second Amendment - even if it needs to go to the until-now SPINELESS US Supreme Court. Time for everyone, me, you, HCI and the NRA to put up or shut up. Don't memorize and repeat to other FREE people a series of blatantly anti-Constitutional "laws". Memorize and repeat your Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to yourself, your friends and especially to your supposed "representatives" in the House and Senate. THEY work for us! Yep, this post does, in a way, deal with the SKS rifle. This rifle will certainly be included in the round-up that will surely come if we all keep playing Schumers', Feinsteins' and Sarah Bradys' little game of "repeat it enough and it becomes the truth". The truth is that gun-laws are ILLEGAL. Period. Think me extremist? HA. Look at how brainwashed you already are! ALL I'm doing is reading and quoting the US Constitution. How EXTREME is that? Posted on May 25 1999, 08:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU ARE RIGHT by TEXAS LAWMAN Try as I may, I can't find fault with anything you said. Yep, all gun laws are illegal. Guess the pro-gun groups, NRA particularly, have always been afraid to take the issue clear up to the Supreme Court. Personally, I'd like to see the issue resolved ASAP. I don't look forward to a second Rev. War but am prepared for same if necessary. Posted on May 27 1999, 09:06 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gun laws by Rebel Well, I never said it was fair or even appropriate for congress to make such laws. I'm just restating what is currently on the books. My opinion is to hold accountable any candidate who breaks promises on control issues. Many people have gotten tired of politics and just don't vote. Only 36% of US voting population voted in 1996 Presidential election. Less than half voted for Clinton and clintonista candidates. Therefore if the quote-unquote silent majority of 60 million gun owners voted Republican on the gun issuse alone we would be a better situation politically. Sure many Republican follow the winds of current movements and break promises, but a President Bush, would not have as likely to disarm Americans as clinton has. Posted on May 27 1999, 01:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help ID a NIB Chinese SKS by newSKSowner Recently bought a NIB SKS for $220 (the day after the local gun store raised the price 10% - that got my attention!). Came with a 200 rd button closure ammo carrier and a really awful "spring" attachable green canvas sling, also with a cleaning kit, tin grease flask, and cleaning rod (that rattles). All matching serial numbers (stamped everywhere), and a spike bayonet stock with side swivel attachments (but alas no bayonet, although the lug is still there). ID stamped on reciever is a 26 inside a triangle, serial number 1020####P, receiver is also stamped with three chinese characters and with "SKS762X39 MADE IN CHINA BY NORINCO KSI POMONA CA". Has a milled trigger group and nice metal finish, but the stock is soft, light, unfinished and way too ugly (but its unmarred). So I ordered an ATI Monte Carlo stock to put on it. Anyway, I know they made about a billion of these but would appreciate any info on the age/desirability of this thing. My current plan is to restock it, maybe put a 5 rd fixed magazine on it, and use it for a "rack rifle" in my pickup. --- BTW, I know that this rifle was shipped with "Mr. Squiggly" facing forward; when I disassembled it to clean off the grease the takedown pin scratched the bluing on the receiver cover (it hadn't been taken apart before), and that's how it came out. Posted on May 24 1999, 07:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 Cents Worth... by WiSKS'ers the Cat I shot the russian, military surplus and norinco. All shoot good if you keep gun clean and with good ammo. I shoot only the fmj-jhp. No lead! Your gun is probably illegal if you add bayo. Most chinese and norinco wood is pretty bad. TYhis is common. Cleaning rod rattles in most guns. Maybe others have cure? I only use modern cleaning gear and took rods off my guns. I use empty cleaning kit holder in stock to hold some small parts and one EXTRA round of ammo. The SKS is a good gun. Why a 5 round magazine? Hunting use, maybe. No reply needed. Good shooting. Posted on May 24 1999, 07:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- just a thought on the ATI stock... by hunter47 If you are serious about an aftermarket stock, and if you haven't already ordered the ATI Monter Carlo, you ought to reconsider. I purchased that stock and was very disappointed! It was very heavy and the finish was very poor. I found that Choate make a much better composite stock. It has a really nice finish, it fits much better and it is very light. Other stocks that are better options than the ATI are Buttler Creek and Ramline. Anyway, this is just my opinion...I only hope I was able to warn you in time. Hunter Posted on May 24 1999, 09:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks by newSKSowner Thanks, but too late. Just hope mine isn't so bad I have to get a different one and try and find someone to take this one off my hands. Any info on the Choate Cammo Monte Carlo? Saw them advertised for about $95 a pop, which seems pretty high to dress up a $200 rifle! Maybe I'll just go with an $8 Jungle stock and take the ribbing... Posted on May 25 1999, 05:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ati sucks big time by J.A. www.choatemachinetool.com Posted on May 25 1999, 05:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why take a ribbing... by V-Shrake If you buy the "Jungle Stock", invest in a few cans of spray paint; OD, brown, tan, black, etc.. With a little bit of imagination you can make a really nice camo stock out of that $8.00 wonder. After applying the camo colors, spray on a few layers of "Dulcote", a matte spray lacquer. This really protects the camo finish, and dulls the stock even more. I did this with my first Chinese SKS, and have done it to my 10/22 folder. Easy, cheap, and it looks good, too! You can get all the colors you need, including the Dulcote, at most any store that stocks spray paint. Practice a little on that original stock, since you won't be needing it for anything else. Also, a little primer gray really works in a jungle camo scheme; the same can be said for primer red, but since the stock is already about that shade, why bother? Random blotches, just like US BDU's work really well. Good luck. Posted on May 26 1999, 01:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rack Rifle for Pick up or give away by Dave S Can't answer any of your questions as I am a new SKS owner, But if you reside in CALIFORNIA, you might as well turn in your gun now to the SO or PD, CHP. Under CA law your just looking for trouble under the transportation of firearms laws. Locked in CASE, Seperated by ammo/mags. Just thought I'd save you the legal problems. Posted on May 28 1999, 01:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Magazine questions... by TheBattman This topic has probably been kicked around a lot, but I haven't been to this site in a while. My SKS came with the fixed 20rd magazine (Chinese). I removed the fixed magazine (and removed the bayonette mount at the same time) and ordered what I call a detachable magazine. IT is the one that has the big projection/lip on the front side of the magazine. When I ordered it, it was called a "fixed 30rd". Yet this is fully detachable. What is it, legally? My understanding of the law is that this modification to detachable magazine was legal only if the rifle does not still have bayonette mount. The only other modifications is a rubber extension butt pad. Comments please. Posted on May 24 1999, 02:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is a detachable mag and.... by RLW ...in order to be 'legal' the standard military stock has to be replaced with a sporter stock with a monte carlo comb or a thumbhole dragunov type. This is in addition to removing the bayonet lug. If I were you, I would sell the 30 rounder and keep the 20 round factory type mag. They work better. Posted on May 24 1999, 03:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOT ANYMORE! CTXT by john The law was changed. Also sorry about the post for page two. I tried to post and nothing happened but it looks like my first post went through. Posted on May 24 1999, 04:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Depends on when you did it.... by john This mod. was legal to do up until April 1998. This is when the the import ban was extended to guns that had could use large cap. military detachable magazines. Sks sporters and sporter style rifles where importable up until this point. Or you could do the mod. you wanted to do and use a detachable clip legally. Because the law changed in order to do it now legally you must change a number of parts to american made parts. I've seen kits availble for the ak but not the sks. So, regardless of when the sks was purchased, you would have needed to have done that mod. before april 1998 in order to be legal. Posted on May 24 1999, 03:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How can you prove when you did the modifications?... by TheBattman I did the modifications prior to that date, but how the heck would the BATF be able to tell when I did them? Posted on May 24 1999, 09:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well... by john Like I've said before this would really only come into play if you did something illegal with your sks. If you bought your sks in 1999 after they ran a check on the serial numbers they would know. If you didn't know the law and you opened your mouth and told them then they'd know. But I think only 4 people in 1998 were convicted of making "assult weapons". The Clinton admistration doesn't seem to punish people who break gun laws. Seem thing applies to ruger 10/22. Lets say you both a 10/22 in 1988. If you put a folding stock on it now you'd technically be in violation of the law. Good luck trying to prove when who ever put the folding stock on. It's just always a good idea to talk to a lawer for ANYTHING you might be in trouble for legal wise. Posted on May 28 1999, 10:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Go to page 2 See my post to Otto ntxt by john ntxt Posted on May 24 1999, 04:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Auction Site by Survivor Check this one out, it seems to have some potential: http://www.sureshot-auction.com/index.html Posted on May 22 1999, 09:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Repost of a post I made on another board (FWIW) by Snakebite [I'm reprinting here a post I made on another board regarding my advocating that gun owners begin resorting to "guerrilla activism" in defense of their rights.] This nation has a long and honorable history of civil disobedience, dating back to before the Rev War. Many different acts of civil disobedience were committed well before the war started, with the Boston Tea Party being only the most obvious example. Henry David Thoreau being another. Abe Fortas, a Supreme Court Justice, even wrote a book about civil disobedience--supportive of the idea. Just about everything the blacks did in the South to gain the rights they were eventually granted was illegal. The examples far outnumber my ability to give even a partial list here. Civil disobedience is a (virtually) sacred American practice. I respect those who disagree with me that gun owners should begin to commit acts of civil disobedience in response to gun control legislation, but at least give some decent reasons for doing so. I may may not buy your arguments, but they have my respect. Those who would simply take pot shots, however, who would dismiss such a course of action with a flip of the wrist, deserve no respect, either for their opinions, or for their gun rights. I'm not saying that everybody needs to become a guerrilla activist. It's one idea. One possibility. One path. Take it or leave it. As for me, I'm giving it some serious thought. Putting the old thinker--what's left of it--to work. Here's something I don't understand, however. There's some people meeting not far from where you live. They're strategizing. Not about how to get the gang-bangers off the streets. Not about how to solve our teen pregnancy problem, failing school grades, the fact that about 25% of high school grads have only 5th-grade reading skills, our rights are disappearing like water in the sand, etc, so on and so on. No, these people are having a protest meeting about YOUR guns. That's right, you who are law-abiding, have never committed a crime with a firearm, mind your own business, and just try to keep your head above water. YOU. They're talking about YOU. They're talking about YOUR guns, and what they'd like to see done with them. ''Well, they have a right to talk about that. It's their First Amendment right.'' Sorry. Wrong answer. Know what the right answer is? It's this: ''Listen, buddy, if don't respect my Second Amendment rights, I don't respect your First Amendment rights. In fact, if don't respect my Second Amendment rights, I don't respect ANY of your rights. What comes around goes around.'' THAT'S the right answer. If people out there (like the ACLU) are going to act like the Second Amendment doesn't apply to individuals, I'm going to act like the First Amendment doesn't apply to individuals. At least to those particular individuals. Here's a surefire recipe for revolution: Sit on your ass and defend these people's rights to talk about taking your guns away. I guar-own-tee you that approach WILL eventually result in revolution. You think civil disobedience is a no-no? What do you think the penalites for revolution are? But that's probably where we're headed over this gun issue. It's DEFINITELY where we're headed if we don't start making some serious noise. And I'm not just talking about the klickity-klack of keyboards, either. If I was privy to the fact that my neighbors were having their friends over to talk about how they were going to rape my wife, you damn sure better believe that meeting wouldn't end peacfully. I'd call the cops, of course. But if they failed to take care of the situation, and it appeared my neighbors were indeed serious, I believe a preemptive strike would be in order. Well, it may not be illegal for people to talk about taking my guns away, but I don't think I'm quite comfortable with the idea of letting them do it in peace. The time for talk is just about over. Not quite, but just about. The time for serious action is upon us. Not deadly action, but very serious. Because if this thing ain't nipped in the bud, you won't have to worry about going to jail for a few hours because you planted a protest sign in somebody's yard. You'll be too worried thinking about whether or not you're going to join the revolution that just started because the liberals pushed too far. Civil disobedience may not allow us to avoid a revolution. It may not even forestall it. But doing what we've been doing sure as HELL won't. Posted on May 22 1999, 11:34 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so just how do you go about joining the NRA? ntxt.... by keith xx Posted on May 21 1999, 10:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do more than just join the NRA! CTXT by hunter47 Keith, May I suggest going to NRA.org and checking out their website. You can join for $35 year. It is important to be involved. HOWEVER, DO NOT STOP THERE! The NRA has gotten a little soft lately, so I would ALSO suggest that you join the GOA (Gun Owners of America). I cannot remember their web address, but you can link to them from auctionarms.com. Join both. Get involved. Write your congressmen. Make your voice heard. Just my two cents. Hunter Posted on May 21 1999, 11:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amen! nt by Snakebite nt Posted on May 22 1999, 12:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I joined!!!!!! ctxt by keith joined both NRA, GOA as well as the JPFO. Maybe it will make some difference. Do these orgs give you some hints around voting time. Like who is pro or against. Would be good info to have!!!! keith Posted on May 22 1999, 01:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes.. by john The the nra will send you a little voting guide. It usually is in the oct. issue, I think. It ranks the people who are running and recomends you vote for the person that the nra says is the most pro gun. Posted on May 22 1999, 11:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I joined by coyote FANTASTIC !!! and welcome aboard!! One thing to keep in mind: don't get too discouraged when you receive solicitations for donations. I give when I can and throw the others away. can't blame them for trying. Thanks again for doing your part!! Posted on May 22 1999, 06:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i'm not so sure about the GOA by jojo every time i see larry pratt speak i cringe that he is on our side. he always sounds like a fanatical bitter old man. we need ppl with facts and figures and a cool manner. not an old timer ranting about "arm the teacher that'll fix this problem." now i'm not saying i disagree with him, i just think he is a little low on tact just my 2› Posted on May 22 1999, 06:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOA is no compromise... by Floyd The GOA is a no compromise bunch. You don't have to worry about the gun industry swaying their opinion. They've got about 250,000 members. The NRA is the largest group and one of the strongest lobbying groups on the hill. Definitely join the NRA first. Write your Congressman, but also write the editor of your newspaper. We need to get the facts out there. Always be polite! Posted on May 22 1999, 06:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NRA and GOA by Lobo I'm a twenty year Life Member of the NRA, and Recently joined the GOA. I like the work the GOA is doing; no-non-sense-the-line-is-here legislate no further! I figure we as gun owners can't have too many allies in the struggle. Posted on May 24 1999, 07:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOA has a great site to keep you informed! by Steve S. I'm also a NRA life member and last week I joined GOA! We do need as many allies as possible! Posted on May 24 1999, 08:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- here you go and thanks....they need our support right now by steve s. it's a good start but you should also get ivolved writing your reps to let them know how you feel.. Pick a Section Join/Renew/Upgrade Membership Benefits To You What Your Membership Makes Possible Member On-Line Catalog Member Discount Program Member Recruiting Program Life Membership Offer Contact Us NRA Membership Application -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YES! COUNT ME IN AS A MEMBER OF THE NRA! 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Current member ID Name Address City State AK AL AR AZ CA CO CT DC DE FL GA HI IA ID IL IN KS KY LA MA MD ME MI MN MO MS MT NC ND NE NH NJ NM NV NY OH OK OR PA RI SC SD TN TX UT VA VT WA WI WV WY Zip EK 390753 $3.75 of the membership dues are designated for magazine subscription. If you print this form, please use the U.S. Mail to return this membership application to the National Rifle Association Membership Division. NRA PROCESSING CENTER P. O. BOX 420649 PALM COAST, FL 32142-0649 OR, CHARGE YOUR DUES BY CALLING 1-800-NRA-3888. * Contributions, gifts or membership dues made or paid to the National Rifle Association of America are not refundable or transferable and are not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax purposes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NRA HQ | Shooting, Hunting & National Firearms Museum | Safety, Education & Public Service Youth Programs & Arcade | Give/Join/Help | Online Shopping (1-800-336-7402) CONTACT SEARCH Other NRA sites: NRA Live | NRA ILA Posted on May 24 1999, 01:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP...loose stock by bobrr I have a 54 russian in a laminated stock, it is arsenal refinished and unfired since then. The action is loose in the stock. It will move about 1/32 of an inch. As I am new to sks's how can I fix this so I can keep the same stock...looking for something I can do at home. TIA bob Posted on May 21 1999, 01:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well.... by john Its probably normal. These are old military weapons. They weren't built to the same standers as guns are made today. You you mean when you push on the recieve the barrel and everything else goes forward? There is a slight amount of play in my chin. unissued mil. rifle. If I grab the barrel and push hard then pull I can move it ever so slightly. I think its nothing to worry about if this is the case but if it bothers you, you can always add metal to the bolt in the stock. Just keep adding small amounts until the movement stops. Posted on May 21 1999, 04:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- loose stock by Tom Ober Check to see if the spring that goes between the stock and the trigger group is in place its easy to loose when disassenbling if its not there the action will move up and down in the stock Tom O. Posted on May 21 1999, 07:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by brandon these guns were put together loose to help their reliabilily in combat. this is normal Posted on May 21 1999, 09:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the responses...NTXT by bobrr ! Posted on May 22 1999, 04:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS JUNGLE STOCKS FOR SALE! by Ace I have a couple dark red fiberglass SKS jungle stocks for sale, complete with matching handguards, price is $15.00 plus shipping, email me if interested Posted on May 20 1999, 03:45 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Battlefield pick-up" SKS (ctxt) by Gary A friend of mine made a great trade, a Buck folding knife for a non-functioning SKS. He asked me about it and without seeing it, I told him it was likely a frozen gas piston causing the problem, unless parts were actually missing. I saw the rifle last night and it appears to be a soldier's "war trophy", worn and rusty on the outside but still functional (I was right about the piston - an easy fix). Has anyone else seen an SKS that was a "bring-back"? This one still had powdery mud between the stock and barrel, as well as a blonde stock that's now nearly black from handling. The stock was badly split at the wrist and at the crossbolt, in both spots a crude repair was made. I don't recall all the markings but the apparent date reads 11260 (Dec.1, 1960?) positioned IN FRONT of the remaining serial number. As I understand it, the serial number placement determines whether it was late war production or post-war, can anyone give details? It's got the Chinese "26" marking, with three Chinese characters appearing to the left of the "26". The date / serial number then follows. Oh, one other creepy thing: The spike bayonet still has what appears to be dried blood stains in the grooves. If you owned it, would you try to restore it or would you leave it as is, a war relic? Is there any significant collector interest in these trophy rifles? Thanks, Gary Posted on May 19 1999, 11:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attempt to get it functional, but don't refinish exterior by Steve S. If it looks like it may be dangerous to fire (gunsmith check it out) leave it as is. If it's safe to fire, get the parts it needs and shoot it for function. Just so you know it's more than a wall hanger. I wouldn't touch the exterior, that adds appeal to this trophy. That's what I would do.....hope it helps. Posted on May 19 1999, 01:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Battlefield pickup (Important, ctxt!!) by The Confessor If the weapon you have IS a battlefield pickup, you may have a slight problem. If you do NOT have the papers which are supposed to be issued to a soldier when a battlefield trophy is taken, the weapon is ILLEGAL to possess. Only weapons with clear import marks are legal to possess in the "land of the free" without these papers. If you friend doesn't have these papers and the gun is a pickup, it is virtually worthless to anyone who doesn't wish to break the law... Posted on May 20 1999, 04:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Battlefld. PU by Bill Your right about these papers you need with a bring back. I have seen several of these papers and remember the word "Conus" written on it with all the serial numbers etc. BUT, I have seen several bring-backs for sale at gun shows with no papers. It's for sure that the papers will make the gun more authentic and raise the price. Posted on May 20 1999, 06:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've seen pot for sale too.... by john but that doesn't make it legal. Not being a smart ass. If he says its illegal I'd believe him. Posted on May 21 1999, 01:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could be wrong... by Lev My assault SKS - folding stock. bayonet lug, 60 rnd magazine, flash supressor- is Chinise but it have no any import marks, it`s pre-ban, i got it at pawn shop and contact BATF about legality issue, and they told me it`s perfectly legal gun. Just my two cents. Posted on May 22 1999, 04:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for response... (ctxt) by Gary I had a hunch that some such paperwork was issued, but as far as I know my friend did not receive any such documents. Nor did the previous owner know much about the weapon, it having belonged to a relative of his. I do not believe my friend has any intention of selling the rifle or advertising it as a battlefield relic - it can't be verified. In part, that was why I posted the original message - I was hoping someone with a "trophy" could give me the details. I'll be sure to warn him about the rifle's status, and I'd better warn my uncle, too. He has a Luger that he, uh, liberated in France some fifty-four years ago. Heh, knowing him, I'm surprised he didn't send home a Jeep in pieces! He brought home five or six clean '98 Mauser actions, too, one made me a fine "Utility Scout" rifle. Gary Posted on May 24 1999, 11:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reason Politicains don't like SKS's by Steve They were cheap, prior to the import ban. Anyone (even low income) could afford one! Fairly easy to convert and ammo is cheap! Did I miss anything? Posted on May 19 1999, 10:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Politicians by Gary Steve: I think you hit all the main points. The government does not like the idea of lower-income citizens having high-powered rifles for the cost of a used Ruger 10/22 (well, they USED to be that inexpensive). Good God, the people may one day catch on to the fact that they're being royally screwed and start rounding up said politicans for high-velocity attitude adjustment. Politicians abhor being perforated and they know that they'd be first on the list, followed shortly by members of the media. Of course, the U.S. firearms manufacturers are no help, they certainly have everything to gain if inexpensive, rugged centerfire rifles are no longer imported and sold for less than their own products. Gary Posted on May 19 1999, 11:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONVERT TO WHAT??? by BLIPBLIP Fairly easy to convert to what? Posted on May 19 1999, 12:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To full auto (ntxt) by Virgil Caine x Posted on May 19 1999, 06:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Full Auto Fire - Forget Hollywood by SKS Junkie Studies have shown that full-auto fire is wasteful on ammunition and lowers rounds-to-hits ratio. Isn't the M16A2 only capable of semiauto and 3-rd bursts? Not sure. Still, you can rattle-off 10 to 30 (or more with a drum) out of an SKS plenty fast enough without playing around with the illegal but still on the books "gun laws". Posted on May 19 1999, 08:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats why the sks is semi auto.... by john F/A can also be hard on the gun. Anyways thats why sks were made after the ak-47 was build. I read somewhere that the Russians didn't want people in hard to supply areas switch there ak's to f/a and wasting ammo. They wanted them to take well aimed shots and conserve ammo. Posted on May 19 1999, 09:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Semi vs. Full-Auto in Vietnam (more) by Gary I read somewhere that despite Hollywood's depiction of the Vietnam war, not every VC or NVA soldier carried an AK-47. Rather, only one or two men in each patrol carried the selective-fire weapon, the rest of the enemy's soldiers shouldered SKS rifles. That makes sense from both equipment/supply/expense and training standpoints. Ironic, as the SKS is definitely the more accurate weapon. Posted on May 20 1999, 08:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are correct. by Steve S. The SKS was distributed in mass from China. It was cheaper than dirt and dependable in the brush. Another reason our Gov't banned them from import was their appearance looked too much like a AK and the bayonet was pretty scary too!! Posted on May 20 1999, 08:59 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Texas Lawman Can't remember ever seeing news media account of someone being bayonetted. Have seen documentable stats that about 45,000 persons are killed by automobiles (~1/2 involving alcohol) each year in USA. Darned ole evil bayonets! Guess we didn't learn much from prohibition in the twenties. Posted on May 20 1999, 11:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Way over 100,000 die yearly... by Tey-Hoss! From INFECTIONS received in hospitals; from reactions to and mis-fillings of prescriptions; and of course, from good old MALPRACTICE. We need to ban this so-called ASSAULT-Healthcare! Posted on May 20 1999, 09:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by TEXAS LAWMAN Thanks. Didn't know the # of deaths annually from nosocomial (hospital acquired) infections but knew it was high. Many of us 'joke' that if you don't have a disease when you enter the hospital, you certainly will when you leave! Posted on May 22 1999, 11:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quest for the SKS in 7.62x54r, Do they actually exsist? by Larry According to what I've read(and heard), the SKS originally was chambered in the fullpowered 7.62x54r cartridge, and then was later scaled down to fire 7.62x39. Has anyone ever seen the big brother of the SKS, or is it all just a cruel joke? Why are they rarely(if ever) mentioned? many surplus gunshop owners I have talked with have never even heard of an SKS in this chambering. Also, if I were to find one, about how much should I expect to pay to aquire it? Posted on May 18 1999, 10:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO. by RLW Where did you read the SKS was originally chambered in 7.62x54r? Posted on May 18 1999, 11:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think you're mistaken. by Larry I've read this on several articles on the internet, I'll have to do a little digging to find them, I believe I read it in a collectors manual(don't remember the name). I'll try to dig up some info verifying the existance of this beast for you. Posted on May 19 1999, 08:24 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Big brother is not called an SKS. by SPUD Larry The rifle is a (TOKAREV SVT.40) It is the SKS in 7.62x54R. If you can find one It should run about 375.00-500.00 can't remember the price but look here. HTH tater http://www.en.com/mauserman/ Posted on May 19 1999, 08:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm, you could be right by Larry I've had the chance to look at an SVT-40 upclose though, and it appears to be based more on the AK/Dragunov design, I thought it was an SKS atfirst too though. Maybye that's as close as I'm going to get! Oh well, anybody have any info on the PTRS antitank rifle, or how I might go about aquiring one of those? I've seen a picture of one once, but it didn't really look too much like an SKS either. Sorry about all the goofy questions btw, I've just become very interested in collecting Siminov designs, I've got a Tula arsonal 1954 Russian SKS, and I guess I've just caught the C&R/Surplus bug, heh heh. Thanks for your time Posted on May 19 1999, 09:53 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Predecessor by Gary I recall reading that the Simonov rifle was based on that designer's anti-tank gun and was originally manufactured in small numbers in the 7.62x54 caliber, which said rifles were used alongside the Tokarev. The rifle was then scaled down to use the new intermediate cartridge. You'll never find one of those earlier Simonov rifles, they were never built in large numbers or exported. Does anyone know if the SKS (as we know it) ever saw battle in the closing days of WWII in Europe? Gary Posted on May 19 1999, 11:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip Stock? by Fast Eddie Does anyone know if they make a pistol grip stock besided the folding stock? I was looking for something kinda like an AK. Thanks in advance. Posted on May 18 1999, 10:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip Non-folders Available by Texas Lawman Choate, Ram-Line & others make non-folding stocks with a pistol grip. Check TAPCO, SKU# SKS2076, $39.99 each, or four for $34.95 each -- page 5, Winter/Spring 1999 catalog (arrived in April). phone (770)425-4441 in Georgia Posted on May 19 1999, 12:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip Non-folders Available by Fast Eddie Thanks Lawman. I had never been to Tapco web page before. I noticed that they sold just the pistol grip that could be installed on your wood stock. What is a milled trigger group? Posted on May 19 1999, 06:58 PM Respond to this message --------------