Re: Re: THE RISE AND FALL OF THE WING CHUN FAMILY? |
Tuesday, 18-Apr-00 00:30:55
( Does this mean that the only way a student can truly learn Wing Chun is to go out and pick fights with unsuspecting innocent people. This is not only unrealistic in today's society, it is also irresponsible of an instructor to even imply this. A police officer doesn't have to go out and shoot a citizen to know that his service weapon will do the damage that he is taught that it will do when aimed and fired at another human being. So too, the Wing Chun student hopefully is smart
enough to know that a finger in the eye will cause major trauma, without having to go out and blind someone in order to have faith in the technique.)
Why must the people a practitioner fights be "innocent"? The only way to become a good fighter is to fight. Fightinhg is the point not something to skirt around. Just as a question of interest where in the eye would you poke someone to cause the most damage possible, at what angle, and how will you KNOW these answer until you have tested your theory. One only needs faith when no does not know. You have been taught to deliver a punch in the manner that Wing Chun feels is most effective but how do YOU know that it is most effective until YOU punch someone. Where is the most effective place to punch vs. palm teachers who have experienced can guide a student and perhaps speed his development with the correct advice however it is up to you to learn and apply the lessons you have been taught. Can you apply your perfectly learned lessons under the grip of fear or uncertainty? How do you duplicate these conditions in a controlled training enviroment .... you can't.
( What about your $15,000 Instructors Course)
This is all about supply and demand. Sifu Leung has a unique grasp and understanding of a complex set of issues' gained through hard won experience. This is not a xerox simply expert advice on a topic requiring serious study and training.
(While we are on the subject of truth, All this about having fought for a long period of time with Wing Chun is very misleading. Wing Chun is a real fighting system, not a sporting system. Anyone who has been forced, and that should be the case, to fight with Wing Chun will have
most likely Maimed or Killed the opponent. To make claims to have had such a vast background in Fighting with the system, but have served no jail time, or lost no personal wealth to the many Personal Injury lawyers that are constantly on T.V. begging people to sue, is a little hard to believe. Let's just drop the hype and teach on the merit of the system, not the tough warrior stories. )
What is misleading, that fact that this SiFu has had numerous fights? How do you know? How can you know? Were you there when this gentleman was growing up and training? Have you ever been to china? Please explain the communist revolution in china during this time and how it affected the political, social and moral climate and thereby influenced the newly created state judcical systems. You have a very narrow view.
Kung Fu is a form of warfare not some politically correct thing to be shaped by mood of the day. Why should it be "the case" that a person should have to be forced to fight, because you say it is so. You have your moral code and I have mine. Fighting is not inherently bad, only the motive associated with the action gives it moral weight. If you wish to better the art ... FIGHT. If you don't like the taste of the meal stop eating.
Last question how do you know what the merits of the system are if you have not fought? You cannot know. All things are only relevant by comparison.
YOU HAVE JUST MADE SIFU LEUNGS' POINT FOR HIM BY RESPONDING IN THIS MANNER (and I haven't helped by perpetuating the discussion).