The Steve and Lane Debates

Author: David Christopher Lane
Publisher: Alt.religion.eckankar
Publication date: 1996

E-mail David Christopher Lane directly at dlane@weber.ucsd.edu

I want to go back to the home base now.

Steve,


Thank you for your several recent postings about my research.


I am awe-struck by the fact that you can repeat the same mistake
over and over again. But I shall not tire of explaining once again
why Twitchell lied.

1. Have you ever seen Twitchell's death certificate? It does not
give his birth date in the abbreviated way you state. It spells out
1922. It also states that he was 48 when he died on that same
certificate. 

Jack Jarvis--read these articles for yourself, Steve, and see why
you are wrong--says that Twitchell has just turned forty. He doesn't
say he "looks" forty". He doesn't say he acts 40. He says he just
turned 40. Who was his informant? Twitchell himself, since Jarvis
mentions it.

Hate to do this to you Steve, but do you know that Twitchell wrote
an
article in 1963 wherein he states HIMSELF (in print!) that he just
turned forty. I know you don't believe me, so I have decided
to put hundreds of primary documents online via my website and
others so you can see first-hand to what lengths Twitchell lied.


Your typos hypothesis is fine by me, but remember we are talking
about
tens of typos. Are you willing to be proven wrong? And what will
it take to convince you that Twitchell lied (which he did) about his
age?

Go ask Gail, if you really want to know the truth.


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Steve,

You mention that Twitchell was born in 1912.

Yet the Living Eck Master, Harold Klemp, uses 1908 as his working
birthdate for Twitch.

When Gross was the living Eck 
Master at his time, he informed me that Twitchell was born in 
1812 (yea, that's right, and we are not talking about
reincarnation).


Twitch's wife and friends in the 1960s were told it was 1922.



Typos 101?

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Steve,


You seem to think that the only reason I think Twitchell was a liar
was
because he claimed to be born in 1922.


No, that's just a part of a larger pattern.

I certainly  consider it lying when you cover-up your associations:

Just look at the following (more typos Steve?):




 
THE COVER-UP:

 

How Twitchell Deleted His Past
 

 
 
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in  Orion Magazine 

Chapter I - "In The Beginning" (March-April, 1966)

Par. 3: "I remember very well when  Swami Premananda , of India, who
has a Yoga church in Washington, D.C., said, "When someone asked
Bertrand Russell what his philosophy of Life was, he wrote several
volumes of books on the subject."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Chapter I - "In The Beginning"

Par. 3: "I remember very well when  Sudar Singh , the great Eck Master
said, "When someone asked Bertrand Russell what his philosophy of
Life was, he wrote several volumes of books on the subject."



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in  Orion Magazine 

Chapter I - "In The Beginning" (March-April, 1966)

Par. 15: "I have studied under many teacher, and may yet have to
study under more. Like  Meher Baba , the Indian saint, who was said
to have nineteen teachers to help him gain his place in the universe,
I have so far had seven, some outstanding ones, including Sri  Kirpal
Singh, of Delhi , India.
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Chapter I - "In The Beginning"

Par. 16: "I have studied under many ECK Masters only they have led
me to the highest truth.  Like  Fubbi Quantz  , the ECK saint, who
was said to have nineteen teachers to help him gain his place in the
universe, I have also had several, each outstanding, one being
 Sudar Singh 
 of India.

heo



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in fI rion Magazine 

Chapter I - "In The Beginning" (March-April, 1966)

Par. 16: "Each has had a place in my growth toward the spiritual
goal; each are equally great in their work for mankind.  However,
I have felt a closer kinship and friendliness to  Kirpal Singh , who
has shown me a lot of the other work during my first year or so
under him. Since we have parted he keeps an impartial view toward
me and my research.  Therefore, if I quote him in these pages it
is because I feel that he is sympathetic and interested in my work."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Chapter I - "In The Beginning"

Par. 17: "Each has had a place in my growth toward the spiritual
goal; each is equally great in his work for mankind.  However, I
have felt a closer kinship and friendliness to  Sudar Singh , who
showed me a lot of the other work, during my first year or so under
him.  Since we have parted he has retained an impartial view toward
me and my research.  If I quote him in these pages it is because
I feel that he is sympathetic and interested in my work and led me
to Rebazar Tarzs."



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in  Orion Magazine 

Chapter I - "In The Beginning" (March-April, 1966)

Par. 32: "Life fascinates me.  Certain details of life to be worked
out are strange.  Lying on the bed late at night I watch the pattern
of shadows weaving about the room.  In the presence of familiar
night visitors like  Kirpal Singh , or Rebazar Tarzs, a Tibetan Lama,
who come often in their Nuri-Sarup, or others, some strangers, some
friends, I wonder about life."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Chapter I - "In The Beginning"

Par. 34: "Life fascinates me.  Certain details of life that have to
be worked out are strange.  Lying on the bed late at night I watch
the pattern of shadows weaving about the room.  In the presence of
familiar night visitors like  Sudar Singh , or Rebazar Tarzs, the
ECK Masters who come often in their Nuri-Sarup bodies, or others,
some strangers, some friends, I wonder about life."

heo



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in  Orion Magazine 

Chapter II - "The Symbol of The Princes"

Par. 12: "Therefore, the principal (sic) involved here is: "We live
and have our being in the Supreme Being."  Jesus  said it in another
way as "we move and have our being in God." Other savants e.g.,
Jalalddin Maulana ana Rumi put it another way, "Divine Grace is not
limited by the conditions of ability, but ability, in fact, is
conditioned by Divine Grace."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Chapter II - "The Symbol of The Princes"

Par. 11: "Therefore, the principle involved here is, "We live and
have our being in the Supreme Being."  Lai TsifR, the Chinese ECK
Master, said it this way, "We live and move and have our being in
the SUGMAD." Other savants state it in a slightly different vein.
For instance, Jalaluddin Maulana ana Rumi said, "Divine Grace is not
limited by the conditions of ability--but ability, in fact, is
conditioned by Divine Grace.



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in  Orion Magazine 

Chapter II - "The Symbol of The Princes"

Par. 48: "This is what  Kirpal Singh  speaks of in his discourses.
"We must become the conscious co-worker of God." Meaning, of course,
that once man is freed of his imbalances he inherits the throne
and does his work for the whole."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Chapter II - "The Symbol of the Princes"

Par. 45: "This is what  Sudar Singh  spoke of in his dialogues.  "We
must become the conscious co-workers of God."

heo



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in  Orion Magazine 

Chapter III - "Purification of the Princes" (Sept.-Oct.
1966)

Par. 37: "All masters of earlier days, to name a few: Buddha, Gura
Nanak (sic), Christ, Mohammed, Zoroaster,
Lao Tse, George Fox,  Sawan Singh , Confucius, Krishna and Shankhacharya
exhorted us to know ourselves.   Kabir  says the same thing "Learn
to die a hundred times daily, not once."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Chapter III - "Purification of the Princes"

Par. 37: "All ECK Masters of earlier days exhorted us to know
ourselves. . . Gopal Das  says the same thing, "Learn to die a hundred
times daily, not once."



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in  Orion Magazine 

Chapter III - Purification of the Princes"  (Sept.-Oct.
1966)

Par. 38: Christ said, "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall
see God."  Guru Nanak  said, "Be pure that truth may be realized."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Chapter III - "Purification of the Princes"

Par. 38: Jesus said, "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall
see God."  Rebazar Tarzs  said, "Be pure so that truth may be known."

heo



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installment
in  Orion Magazine 

Ch. I, Par. 41: "When  Jesus  looked upon His people and
said, 'I cannot tell you more because you cannot hear the whole
truth.' He was saying that they were so far down the spiral of life
they could not grasp His meaning.  To tell them all would bring
disorder into their lives, for once exposed to Truth, those not
understanding develop hostility."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Ch. I, Par. 42: "When the  ECK Master, Gopal Das , looked upon his
people and said, 'I cannot tell you more because you cannot hear
the whole ECK,' he was saying that they were so far down the spiral
of life they could not grasp his meaning.  To tell them would bring
disorder into their lives, for once exposed to Truth, those not
understanding develop hostility."



 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as it appeared in installments
in  Orion Magazine 

Ch. I, Par. 44: "One of my experiences while serving under the  Yoga
Satsang  line of masters, was that I found one of the masters in
the guise of a beggar.  I had been in difficulty for sometime, and
very unhappy over the fact that nothing could be found to solve my
problem."
 
 The Flute Of God  by Paul Twitchell as published by Illuminated Way
Press (1970)

Ch. I, Par. 45:  One of my experiences, while serving under  Rebazar
Tarzs , was that I found one of the  ECK Masters  in the guise of a
beggar.  I had been in difficulty for some time, and was very
unhappy over the fact that nothing could be found to solve my
problem."

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Steve,


Do you really want to say that I am the only guy who has claimed
Twitchell plagiarized?


Are you ready for a flood of responses from those who have also
researched is area?


By the way, don't forget that Professor John Sutphin, Professor of
Philosophy and Religion and one-time Eckist, was one of the first
people to document it way back in 1975 (geez, I hadn't even gone to
CSUN then).

But I always like the challenge, so I will put on the Net

25 new examples (see, I love tracking this stuff down):


good luck and lots more plagiarism to come





E-mail The Neural Surfer directly at dlane@weber.ucsd.edu

I want to go back to the home base now.