sovereignty list contribution  content tables: (from the 14 of march onward): report and comment on the purifying fires of the aboriginal tentembassy x x x on fire use in principle, abo-use and/or abuse of biologically amassed massive fires x x x declaration for peace and comment x x x Tent embassy protesters spear flag x x x on watertightly formulated constitutions (see dark bleu below also) x x x a rant on secrecy x x x about relevant books x x x reflections on the present state of helplessness due to schizo rift between the Nato and UN bodies. x x x Constitution collector and reproducer Zube as cited by metacrawler (14 sites, of which mine is the fattest one in English) x x xdime a dozen idealist site example: United Peoples Federation x x x tino - ranga tiratanga (New Zealand/maori list) post

about fire:  SPIRIT OF THE FIRE TO DESTROY THE SPIRIT OF THE PREDATOR, SO PEOPLE CAN BEGIN THE HEALING PROCESS TO RID THE EVIL FROM THE LAND. hmmm; I wonder sometimes if the spirits of fires and predators aren't the famous pot and kettle couple??? did you catch one of my last posts to warriornet??? Let's see if I remember some driving lessons from Vienna (courtesy Arnold Keyserling): earth = sensing; food water = security; social and outward diversifyer. air = selfpreservation; inward diversifyer. fire = agression; preservation of the species. the amount of usable (usefully fused) fire determines status in the future if we get over the task of containing pesky testes.           History is at the mutable stage now: abuse of fire is the rage
(one could object and say: all fires are contained and intended; nothing wild left; most fire  is purposeful nowadays; it propels and heats or something; we may grow a lot less but also replace wild surface fires with well dosed, gaged and tuned forms pumped up from below; Star (or was it Ish) wouldn't have received such an enormously precious impression of off her trip contrasting with yet made possible by that fast conveyance. Don't get me wrong. I will have little of such cynical stuff myself and am trying hard here to find fault effectively)       The cardinal (previous stage vegetated away in and as preuse of fire. Hard to say what climates and lifeforms passed the review and muster up during them aeons but I bet it was a lot more psychedelic than silly dinosaurs make one extrapolatively extract and suspect.       We must now try for an economic, efficient, ingenuous time; usably fused fire forsterment waging age.       Partly inspired by a book called the language crystal by a NYC rawfooder who's apartment gets no sun. He would join a sensible community too.

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:31:57 -0000; Subject:ags and flashes;  To:  recoznet2@green.net.au: Tent embassy protesters spear flag: Aboriginal tent embassy protesters stabbed a spear into an ash-covered Australian flag today as they returned to their ceremonial fire site outside New Parliament House. The flag was covered in ashes from the fire which police extinguished when they moved the protesters off the site in violent scuffles on Monday. Tent embassy spokesman Kevin Buzzacott said the ceremonial spearing of the flag was an attempt to kill the evil spirit of the Government. "I'm going to kill that spirit of that thing here with this stick from that fire," he said. "It's travelled all the world, doing evil things, today this one's going to go. "They killed the spirit of the fire, the only part left is ashes, so we're going to kill the spirit with that." poetpiet: --flags are indeed nothing much till strapped onto frames pivotting on nice bearings....and as for ashes well...wait till you see my plans for making lots of it; it's gonna take all the flags and retooled (defense)metal in the world to get us back on a type track that strokes with mama's tracks a little better https://members.tripod.com/~poetpiet/Blabsabs_Index.htm caution: a great many megabites of text there.

Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:56:03 -0000; Subject: watertightly formulated constitutions To:recoznet2@green.net.au: --I would advise anybody in need and/or with enough leisure to soak up some knowledge about the leaks in past attempts at formulating constitutions to spend a few bucks for hundreds of pages worth, viewable at your library with a microfiche reader.
Unfortunately the compiler/editor/master-micrographer (John Zube of Berrima, NSW had not much of an eye nor heart for indiginous components and aspects but so much the more for the economic accountability and basketed index choices, etc. In other words, an equally essential side of the shape a just constitution must take and be in. One must be eclectic in modern days no matter what the cost; it thins and spreads out your mob. It gets you strange and far from your bedfellows but widens reaches ranges, grasps and relativation skills. You never can win them all or be equally strong on all fronts. Just use the right talents and/or people in the right places and at their best. drop him a line. 7 Oxley st. 2577 Berrima, NSW
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:59:05   Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: >Piet, I am replying to you privately because this is really off-topic as far as the list is concerned. >The content of your message could have been left at just posting the URL instead of the whole content and those who were interested would have had a look.  hi trudy and rod, I thank you for replying and admit you are right, especially since I found a very faulty formulation within the first couple of sentences, it's been at least half a year since trying to correct it for the umptyeth time (see the PS for the latest attempt).      Reading the rest of your reply, the mention of secrecy struck the following thoughts out of me: A large amount of the trouble and success Jews and fellow desert peoples got themselves into with, despite and at high cost to surrounding ethnicities stems from their personality cults; saviourisms; messianisms and leader worship. Of course heroism is an indelible and recurrent aspect of cultural cycles and belongs on the zenith rather than decaying side.        It takes an enormous amount of reserve, privacy and egoism to command multitudes unflinchingly and Jews have been working up to it for centuries. The impossibly large and unbearable burdens of responsibility and power delegated to the sub/objects of their, thus sterilized and dangerously lifeless affections, have slipped, leaked, escaped and manifeste(re)d into endowing an inanimate, ungraspably fluid force such as money with peoples and borderstones moving powers.       The secrecy/ignorance dichotomy is not necessarily inherent in dividedly labouring, segmented and specialized societies but it has always and will always be to the benefit of a manipulative elite few to pull the wool over people's eyes.     As far as I can tell, aboriginal insistence on secrecy is perhaps at the beginning of a similar cycle?    I admit I haven't even read Robert Lawlor, whom I consider an authority, closely enough to say wether or not he even mentions secrecies and meanings thereof but I feel I understand some universal principles of it well enough to say the following: Like Jews subjected to a formerly powerful empire, other now oppressed and decimated peoples too may comfortingly cling to a secretive and private sense of identity (often all they are left with) even though it is but a miniscule concept and imaginary in the sense of being invisible to the naked eye but God forbid it gets fleshed out as far, wide and/or intense as the Jewish version  did, their sense of preciousness has indeed a global reach and their talk of new earth, new heaven is  only fadfeeding sentiments deeper into space exploring denial.                   Personally I have more respect and admiration for those who don't tolerate captivity at all like the Tasmanians reportedly didn't. The immensely rich are secretive. The secretive become immensely rich One can't see through rock till the work is done: a new now earth for growth and greenery.       PS: the faulty sentence on Cernunnos corrected and elongated even more: I will try to explain what I feel may be the meaning of this loop and slipknotty type tool of timely lag stagger supreme.     I suspect the antlered Celtic God Cernunnos once dug into pretensile, prelaxed, tensilizable and still very tight 'n rigidly bound and wound stuck up time,

Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Religious Studies;  On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:01:01   Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: >Piet,  Recoznet2 is a reconciliation list and not one concerned with the pros or cons of other nationalities or peoples. >From what you've written, it is obvious you are not familiar with Aboriginal culture, laws or religions. I think it would be to everyone's benefit if you gained a little more knowledge before you speculate on what secrecy means in Aboriginal terms. I agree and request dependable references and recommendated textbooks. trudy: Well, one I can think of right now is "Pemulwuy, the Rainbow Warrior" by Eric Wilmott. Actually, this brings up a good idea to post a list of books that people may want to read and have it available on the website. A comment though: You are isolating (or attempting to anyway) the issues between whites and aboriginals. Fine. It would help focussing to pair down the confusion. But there are reasons those whites ended up on other shores in the first place. trudy: We're not trying to isolate issues as much as trying to find common ground, get to know each other better and to maybe repair some of the injustices suffered by indigenous peoples. The vikings roamed far and wide without bait, prod, urge and/or temptation held out by desert folks except perhaps in the passive sense, that is: by means of tales told of the latter's fabulous riches and hanging gardens. trudy: The vikings roamed for many reasons and one of them was plunder even close to home. I don't know what you mean by 'desert folk'. Where? What I mean with desert folk influencing migrations and displacements, primarily cause they suffer from these 'mechanism of marginalization' first before in- and affecting others with them. I think that's what happens when empires start cycles of trade degenerating into the use of force and exploitation. It happened to most very ancient African civilizations, then to Middle eastern ones. An indication is given by the book: "Savages and civilization" by Jack Weatherford, an extensive travellers with a sharp eye for indiginous tribulations.       For the english it is another story altogether and that I have tried to define. Sovereignty is under threat all over the world and not only in Gondwana land. Speaking of which, is Robert Lawlor a good authority on Aboriginal issues? Can you recommend any others? trudy: I am not familiar with him. I will ask the list for suggestions for books.  "Taming the great south land" is a book that gave me the impression there was a hell of a lot more wet forest in Australia before Aboriginal use of fire. Any comment? trudy: Was that Flannery? Flannery is a good writer but he tends to go on about speculation as if it were fact. Depends how far back you want to go. There are those who think the climate was changing anyway and for different reasons although it may have been a combination of things. The first human fire found so far is 120,000 years ago. The science has to be very good to get beyond speculation on many things with that kind of antiquity -Look forward to the bibliography. Robert Lawlor's book is called "voices of the first day", a large tome with diagrams and drawing in earth tones. I found the bits I read quite stimulating but don't know how he can defend his assertion of aboriginals being a root race from which all others derive (derail?) in a more convincing manner than putting original australians in the middle of a diagram surrounded by the others. He wrote a popular book on sacred geometry before living in Australia. There are some blurbs about the book at sites that sell it.         > this letter has gone to:  Trudy and Rod Bray <ozbrays@zip.com.au;  I have a feeling it is too long; you are welcome to edit it.  The Australian (Nat) <ausletr@newscorp.com.au> > The Sydney Morning Herald  <letters@smh.fairfax.com.au> > The Age  <letters@theage.fairfax.com.au>   > The Daily Telegraph  <Dtmletr@matp.newsltd.com.au> > The Canberra Times letters.editor@canberratimes.com.au> later to the whole list with the following date and heading: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:16:42 -0000      don't do as i do syndrome, do as I say disease: It is an excerpt (with elaborations added) from: > https://members.tripod.com/~poetpiet/priority_issues.htm  which reads in part:  Australia, some say: Gondwana land, was once called New Holland for a spell before a but slightly different one was cast, going by the utterly dissociative term: Terra Nullius, nevertheless, yet therefore prime orphaned ground to adopt as crown land, and prime location one can send incorrigbles down to, since it used to be (considered) so conveniently remote; not realizing that conflagrations on one side can call forth precipitations on the other as 1998 seems to prove beyond a doubt but one must have an eye for the less obvious. addition and Interlude:  Across the board authorities such as invested in army backed and government backed presidencies, monarchies and other animal alpha dominance reflecting poses struck are always problematic. The one size fits all sweep is indeed at home in the airy realm of proclamation and communication since nothing can be produced and reproduced with quite the same speed and uniformity.         This offers new life rafts for the individual afloat in multicultural debris. Big brand names are struggling to cash in on the goodwill with value addition and identity crystalizing tricks. This holds for countries and ethnicities as well but of course with diminishing returns. In the latter case they have even been disastrous for centuries and especially in resource rich areas, continue to be so.  The fact that here and there the topic of indiginous integrity, modedsty, selfsufficiency, sovereignty and autonomy is coming to the fore and awareness of a rapidly growing audience along with many other issues concerning social safety nets in a wider sense than previously found put together and in a more gelling, smooth and comprehensive constellation makes for a bit of a shake up in power lines and allegiances.          Even though 'webonomics' author E I Schwartz, still confuses and misformulates (in one and the same breath and sentence) the value based individuation and character growth potential of large conglomorate if not corporate bodies with their (continued) ability to sell their consumers "almost anything".......what he really means to say is that dumb consumers (those adrift ones referred to above, the ones deriving their sense of worth from the size of the company who's products they wear, brandish and joust with) are indeed capable of doing "almost anything" for them, including bloody murder......... he is right in that tragicomically, they are only following their surrogate image/attitude  educator's example. For more facts on this problem see the Clean Clothes Campaign.  During my 10 month visit, Australia kept me riveted on and astounded by the rapid fire of "tellurevision", between the news items on essential and indispensable prostheses like cars and computers, moneyspinners like mining, beef breeding and such staples as science fiction they intermittently pretend to dredge up and redeem drowned skeletons of traumatic, holocaustic, supressed and censored memory regarding the massacres and stolen generations, practically without  success but this circumscription of real issues with prejudices drags on endlessly and costily, keeping papercompanies and their dozing bullies happily tearing down the last remnant 3 % of tall, alive and tensile stellation with plenty to spare for shipping to Japan where it is put to serve  similarly useless purposes.  One could argue that this deadlock labyrinth is like having concrete poured into the chinks and channels to discourage purchase and leverage on the entrenchment of all the Native Title legislation which never concerns or even mentions any land more valuable than the merely marginal kind in the first place, which is no suprise, coming so short on the heels of an only just annulled Terra Nullius but Eddy Mabo day, the second of june, happens to be my birthday and I am confident it shall spin the issue into a more  momentous orbit than it has already done with the wasteful and shameful results I alluded to cryptically. The reaction from short term snap shot observance of the issues by some of those  nvolved is: 'hey, the abo's are being favoured', this faction is being hypefed by the leftist reaction to it in turn, cause they cry: 'here is a new Hitler who   used to fry fish'. All this is a bit like in Germany, where only the communists are lending weight to Nazism nowadays, by taking it really serious still.      Subjective, in your face sort of passion crimes are infinitely more popular than the creepy, remote, large scale, painstakingly and premeditatedly plotted ones.
>> Epilogue: > Now a year later the situation is unchanged but the (understaffed) pressure rises.....  > I am very sorry, the United Nations commitee is so hard on poor white Australians without being equally critical of their poor white brothers, cousins and assorted mongrel kin in America for the same reasons (and preferably at the same time).      I guess the United Nations, just like the European Union have too few people to do their job right...both have taken on and/or are saddled up with too many responsibilities and problems.      I volunteer to join both posses "sharing out" as the dutch so jollily say, tickets and fines for obstructing access to information that concerns the past and/or public. If on the other hand access and installing simple mechanisms to make relevant stuff an open secret are not denied I shall consider my job a pleasure and privilege to the extent that having it is reward and honour enough.        Any public office should only be filled by those who can prove to have no stake in, nor to be dependent on (more or less exclusive advantages gained from) the specialized policies pleaded for and implemented; basic ones guarding and providing for quality of air, water and soil excepted.

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:39:39 +1100; From: Trudy and Rod Bray <ozbrays@zip.com.au> Subject: Re: UN vs colonialism:  Hi Piet,  Yes, it is too long. Newspapers won't even look at anything over 200 words. I don't really have the time to edit a letter for you but have done so this once. It is now 196 words and has been punctuated and spell checked. I am not criticising - my Dutch give me lots of trouble in tenses, grammar and spelling.       If you want to use it as it stands then send it to all the addresses I listed in the posting and don't forget to date it and add your name and address.                    Trudy **************      Australia was once called New Holland for a spell before a slightly different one was cast, going by the utterly dissociative term: Terra Nullius.  The fact that the topic of indigenous integrity, modesty, self-sufficiency, sovereignty and autonomy is coming to the fore and the awareness of a rapidly growing audience, makes for a bit of a shake-up in power lines and allegiances.
During my 10 month visit, Australia kept me riveted on, and astounded by, the rapid fire of "tellurevision". Between the news items on essential and indispensable prostheses like cars and computers they intermittently pretend to dredge up and redeem drowned skeletons of traumatic, holocaustic, suppressed and censored memories of the massacres and stolen generations - without much success.        One could argue that this deadlocked labyrinth is like having concrete poured into the chinks and channels to discourage purchase and leverage on the entrenchment of the Native Title legislation which never mentions any land more valuable than the marginal kind.              I am very sorry the United Nations committee is so hard on poor white Australians without being equally critical of their poor white cousins in America for the same reasons and, preferably, at the same time.    **********************
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:28:59   Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: >Just as a comparison, I have posted the winning entry from the Canberra Times competition below the efforts of Howard and Murray.     >What does everyone think?     Trudy                 I think Diane's Preamble composition is great!! utterly lyrical!!! but where are the nuts and bolts (not to mention bearings and such proofs of white windmilling feminine genius)????    oh, I forgot, this is merely a banner, some sort of flag that don't even mention much of a, let alone cover, protect and energize any cargo. Cult or no Cult.     A saying comes to mind: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" ...I would add: "and bad memories" in more sense than one.     To flex your constitutional muscles you australian have access (without incurring overseas postage) to a microfiched collection of them. A couple of bucks for a pair of these plastic transparants (averaging 120 A4 pages) readable in most libraries.  For more info on the source go my: guest_appearances/intro_to_currency_issues.htm and do a 'find in page' search for John Zube.      or for some rare online blurbs by and on that compiler himself choose from the following links: http://www.newciv.org/GIB/BOV/BV-620.HTML
same place, new name: http://www.globalideasbank.org/BI/BI-304.HTML http://newciv.org/GIB/BOV/BV-107.HTML (on  banking) http://www.well.com/user/cmty/money/srcs.html

Entire search engine (metacrawler) citations: 347 The defining characteristics of a tolerant society
John Zube Adapted extract from the pamphlet, The Case for Economic & Political Tolerance, available from the author at the address below for 50 Australian cents.   http://www.globalideasbank.org/diyfut/DIY-217.HTML (Excite)

320 Anarchy FAQ | anarchy (abbrieviated) | anarchy (full text) | back to bio | Answers to frequently asked questions: [This pamphlet was   http://art.net/Studios/Poets/Jennifer/anarchy/archyfaq.html (Lycos)

311 Consent or Coercion This pamphlet was published in early 1995. It was drafted by Ed Stamm, with substantial help from Carl Bettis, Brendan Conley, Ed D'Angelo, Greg Hall, David King, and Dick Martin, whose excellent ...   http://www.art.net/Studios/Poets/Jennifer/anarchy/archy.html (Infoseek)
Pages at this site with the same name:      1. http://www.art.net/Poets/Jennifer/anarchy/archy.html

256 Libertarian Microfiche Publishing    I'm forwarding a letter that might interest you all. It was sent to the two years ago and I'm just now getting around to including it in the next issue. John     Zube has been at his Libertarian ...    http://www1.teleport.com/~jaheriot/libfiche.htm (Infoseek)

206 Untitled    403323 DA DECAY OF TINE-TEXTURED GROOVES IN RIGID PAVEMENTS GRADY, JE ENGINEERING RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT BUREAU NEW   RESEARCH REPORT ; 107 -UNTRACED SERIES N107 Oct 1983 18 PP ENGLISH REPORT NO: FHWA/NY/RR-83/107 SUBFILE: UCITS; TLIB JOHN E.      http://www.pascousa.com/febs/trb/pavegroo.ref.txt (Excite)

173 Kaspahraster      Sender : owner-newjour@ccat.sas.upenn.edu Subject: Kaspahraster Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 02:48:00 -0500 Kaspahraster An anarcho-situ fanzine of    essays, screeds, speculative fiction and ScHiZ fLuX kulturkampf ... on ...  http://gort.ucsd.edu/newjour/k/msg02279.html (Infoseek)

161 Untitled   INDEX ON LIBERTY An International Directory of Institutions & Publications of Interest to Promoters of Reason & Liberty Index on Liberty has been published annualy since 1981 by the Norwegian libertarian newsletter Ideer om Frihet.    http://www.spinnaker.com/liberty/docs/index.txt (Excite)

115 Untitled    Nicholas Albery, Chairman of the Institute for Social Inventions I define a social innovation or social invention as a new and imaginative way of tackling a social problem or improving the quality of life.       http://www.globalideasbank.org/BOV/BV-1.HTML (Excite)

80 value_standard_and_weather_stability       2L orange true economy, its derivations and subversions POLITE CURRENT (T)HINGE, POLYTICKAL TRICKLES VALUE STANDARDS FOR PROPORTIONATE PHOTOSYNTHESIS   https://members.tripod.com/~poe...dard_and_weather_stability.htm (Lycos)

77 Untitled    Consent or Coercion An anarchist case for social transformation and answers to questions about anarchism "The State is a condition, a certain    relationship between human beings, a mode of human behavior; we destroy it by contracting other relationships, by behaving differently." Gustav     Landauer Anarchism is the belief that people can voluntarily cooperate to meet everyone's needs, without...   http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/sp000985.txt (Excite)

23 #TL02: FREEDOM TECHNOLOGY RESOURCE GUIDE    Notice: This report contains copyrighted material. This information is free for personal use only. No part of these materials may be  reproduced in any form - except for personal use - without permission from the copyright holder.   http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl02.htm (Excite)

subject: dime a dozen   just to show the airy fairy stargazing "lofteaze-tipflopsical" resolutioning and 'prebumbling' is in vogue and coming at one from all sides I give you another example. http://upf.org/thefed.htm Unified Planetary Assembly        A Unified Planetary Assembly would be founded on a simple but important idea: diversity. Indeed, diversity would make up the very fabric of such an assembly, which is essentially an amalgamation of different peoples. From Compassion, Understanding, and a Love of Freedom comes a Respect for Diversity and Legitimate Responsibility ----- the freedom of all people to self-determination, the right to choose and follow self-determined destinies, and the responsibility to legitimately empower those destinies when obligating others.          Such an Assembly would be the kind of globally governing empowerment that seeks, without sacrificing its legitimate sovereignty grounded in the will of the people, to maintain a pluralism of functions and loyalties in the lives of all citizens. It would show that the political absorption of the institutional functions of any association, be it family, local community, or trade union, must be followed by the decrease of psychological devotions to that association. The Assembly would seek to diversify and decentralise its own administrative operations and to relate these, as closely as possible, to the forms of spontaneous aggregation that are the natural outgrowths of human needs and desires which have relevance to the economic, educational, and religious aspects of culture.              A Unified Planetary Assembly, founded on the convictions of welfare, integrity, and excellence, would tate unequivocally that no one may interfere with the normal development of any people. As a result of this policy, newly encountered peoples would quickly gain confidence, thereby soothing their uneasiness and apprehension, and allowing them to join, with trust, the Assembly's constituency. Membership would serve to directly increase awareness of the Universe's richness and diversity, and reaffirm the trust, respect, compassion, and understanding that would bind the Assembly together.           Balancing diversity and uniformity, the Assembly would not make a passion of either social order or personal adjustment, but recognise that the claims of autonomy through fundamental freedoms, individual rights, and legitimate responsibilities will never have appropriate recognition until individuals in society have a sense of cultural membership in the significant and meaningful interconnections of kinship, religion, occupation, profession, and locality. It will not spurn the demands of human society, but will seek means by which these demands can be met through association, creation, and agglomeration rather than through the bureaucratic rigidities of formal law and administration. A Unified Planetary Assembly would be inherently democratic, humanitarian, pluralistic, and whatever the intentions of its political leaders, its power would be regulated by associations whose plurality of claims upon its members is the measure of freedom from the monopoly of power in a global society of world citizens.           I have been familiar with similar efforts like the "world parliament" since the middle eighties and most of them worry me.          The world parliament platform includes such sensible measures as the application of fresh, paramagnetic dusts to the worlds growing areas including estuaries which would be a change from the poisons lately. Being a staunch advocate of such measures I didn't mind their occasional updates, usually consisting in efforts to muster the support (a mere endorsement and mention-permission usually) of a still more impressive and prestigious list of people (mostly men).            The amount of potential for waste, unhealthy conditions and careers, anti Anteaus like rootlessness, and bureaucratic corruption is staggering. The European Commision is proving my point as we speak while the goddamn Serbs are moving the western cosmetic make believe and glitter front forward with full support of their own youthful beneficiaries. What more do you want.             I mean multiregionalism is the strongest base for political clout and no matter the corporations understand the word differently from the evolutionary ethnographers.      Their range of influence differs widely also. Just to show the airy fairy stargazing "lofteaze-tipflopsical" resolutioning and 'prebumbling' is in vogue and coming at one from all sides I give you another example. http://upf.org/thefed.htm  Unified Planetary Assembly funny thing I just found out at/about this site: the fuckers (trudy objected to me using this term) didn't even sustain their efforts very far past the preamble; most links are empty or skeletal at best, here's another bit though (last update a year ago):

United Citizens Advocates                  Global Virtual Assembly:  One might think that another effort to support the development of a peoples assembly would seem redundant, but the UPF is working closely with any effort that supports world peace. On November 7-9, 1997, the UPF contributed its research and experience to the World Peace movement by organising a United Peoples Advocates and Global Virtual Assembly Conference in Chicago IL, USA. This conference has helped to unify and distill the various movements that support the creation of peoples assemblies.                  While the United Nations itself seems too weak to bring about rapid change in terms of the elimination of global problems, there are movements toward creating a Citizens (Peoples) Assembly that will strengthen the existence of a viable globally governing empowerment and help pressure nation-states to fulfil their commitments, obligations, and responsibilities to a better future. Any and all forms of peoples assemblies must be truly representative and legitimately empowered by those involved. Not only is empowerment an issue, but funding is a valid concern and would not come substantially from the UN because of its already tight budget. Some of the funding might come from NGOs and the large metropolitan cities of the world as well as from national governments and international corporations. Because new sources of revenue are needed to boost the UN, these sources could also contribute to a peoples assembly that would exist as a parallel to the UN general    assembly, but not 100% within the UN's walls. Although not entirely direct outgrowths of the present day UN, peoples assemblies might be a combination of efforts inside and outside of the UN, both physically and virtually.               The main argument for a Citizens Assembly would be to accelerate the transition from a world of competition to one of cooperation. Although, logically, a peoples assembly would be the result of NGO involvement with both the UN and the world's largest metropolitan cities, it must also be the result of ideas and opinions of all the Earth's people. This is exactly why a viable peoples assembly must not only include efforts both in and out of the UN, but also include both a virtual as well as physical presence in the form of a Global Virtual Assembly. The UPF began to facilitate a GVA's existence with the cooperation of those on the world.gov mailing list when an election for a board to coordinate a virtual peoples assembly protocol was held. Ultimately, everyone would be able to input into the structure and function of a viable Citizens Assembly. This Conference represented the first step toward a viable Unified Planetary Assembly, in whatever form it will eventually take. The next step, which will be represented by a second conference next year, is to promote the idea of an Advisory Council as a viable "Third House". A meeting of the Chicagoland (Calumet) Citizens Peoples Assembly is being planned for November 1998. Of course, these ideas are open to debate by anyone who wishes to contribute.             In addition to the UPF, there are a number of NGOs working toward viable peoples assemblies including CAMDUN, Earth Council, Earth Action, and ACGC. The concept of a peoples assembly has been variously referred to as a "Global Peoples Assembly", a "UN Peoples Assembly", a "UN Citizens Assembly", a "United Peoples Assembly", and a "Peoples Advocates Council". We must help to create a viable Citizens Assembly by definition that would exist as a direct outgrowth of the people on this planet. It would seem very logical for such a movement to include efforts that support both an evolution of the UN and a revolution of the people. Why can we not marry these two efforts to facilitate a viable overarching peoples assembly movement? With the increasing involvement of NGOs in the UN, one could say that a prototype of a Citizens Assembly already exists through its structure, yet it cannot be described as a truly democratically elected entity. It is for this reason that we must go beyond the present model to include any and all opinions. The time has come for the voices of all the Earth's peoples to be heard. It is our hope that the information gathered from this Peace Conference will help facilitate the eventual existence of a viable peoples assembly, with both physical and virtual components, by distilling and combining the findings of all the efforts that support a Citizens Assembly, in whatever final form it will take.            Freedoms, Rights and Responsibilities Council     Economic Equity and Development Council   Weaponry and Armed Forces Council    Global Institutions and International Relations Council    Technological Applications Council     Environmental Conservation Council     Anti-Violence Council

encore:   an even more emaciated and skeletal effort in this direction is:    514 The Peoples' Virtual Assembly -- Status of Pilot Projec    <!-- --> Peoples' Virtual Assembly Status of Pilot Project The initial board has been selected by the GRASSROOTS WORLD GOVERNMENT  http://www.ionet.net/~dwaddell/status.html (Lycos)         it points to a listserv which is not to be found (upon my first try):  http://www.webcom.com/worldgov

subject: reflection on aeon old liberation struggles (reply to report of 200 protesters 'occupying' Pakaitore and ensuing court cases): --tsjees, you guys, I used to be suprised at the constant stream of valliant acts of defiance reported in such a dry, matter of fact and exact english. That combo struck me as quaint and hopegiving somehow.         But since reading lantenari's book on Messianic cults from around the world wherein those (cults) you guys sported were, even more than most others occuring in reaction to white 'presence' and imposition, modeled on Jewish struggles.        Of course this book, called: "the religions of the oppressed" contains the famous quote from Africa: "When first you came with the bible, we had the land, since then the situation is reversing".         It occurs to me now, that a perhaps not invalid way of describing what transpired with Jews goes as follows: they caught an ailment called displacement, an enforced marginalization (no suprise somebody had to go in a region that spawned the birth of manmade deserts) and they went around the world in search of a cure, (perhaps even to warn everybody, more likely suffering from sad and saddening automatisms willy nilly, holy and/or wholly horrid book notwithstanding) never finding one, just infecting everybody else; If you had to, could or would believe the arguments of books like: "the key" by Cohane who supposedly found traces of Semitisms(hav = feminine; oc = male, oak) all over the world from before the last one, Hitler came a few ice ages too late, not to mention he became a bit too violent, my misquoters won't; my doters will.         It stands to reason that Semites who couldn't abide by a progressively treeless and more droughtprone environment would have become disenchanted with their native grounds and made an early exit.
on bushfood: the first day I spent in Australia I was amazed looking at a big illustrated book with bush foods.       The botanical knowledge of native peoples is astronomical even in near desertlike conditions; what to make of the 600+ kinds of fruit growing in a rainforest? If we had another few Luther Burbank businesses there wouldn't be an idle hand nor an empty or ill fed stomach left on earth pretty soon, all happily harvesting heavenly fire.  The true meaning of accepting mercy.           A message the white man has tried to pass on and pawn off cause he has no use for it himself. We're all fallen monkeys for more, see:
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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:58:14 -0800; Subject:white man at his worst; To: tino-rangatiratanga@egroups.com; On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:51:50    Tom Collins wrote:
>If Easter means anything to modern man it means that eternal truth is eternal. You may nail it to the tree, wrap it up in grave clothes, and seal it in a tomb; but "truth crushed to earth, shall rise again." Truth does not perish; it cannot be destroyed. It may be distorted; it has been silenced temporarily; it has been compelled to carry its cross to Calvary's brow or to drink the cup of poisoned hemlock in a Grecian jail, but with an inevitable certainty after every Black Friday dawns truth's Easter Morn -dsjeesies, do all tom collinses wax lyrical every now and then; if so, I'm gonna call a few from the phone book. Another list I subscribe to, called FWread (about finnegan's wake, that weird book by that weird man) sports one too. He posts things like:   subject: murder, inc     crime creates consciousness       the letter fixes it for good.      what do you thinks?   would america have sided with the serbs if chechnia had gained it's independence during an earlier episode of spasmopeerdiotical armament bazar blow out ?

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