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Re: By the way, how did M.O.D.O.K. die...? (83)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 08, 1997 at 17:52:06 PST
in reply to Re: By the way, how did M.O.D.O.K. die...? (81), posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 07, 1997 at 16:30:39 PST

> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have had only four people reply to this , will others please post follow ups or email me.

> > > > > By the way, how'd M.O.D.O.K. die anyway???

> > > > > CC

> > > > If memory serves me correctly, MODOK was killed when a bunch of members of the Serpent Society jumped on him and bit him, poisoning him. Yep, lame story.

> > > > Historian Ned

> > > To put in a more detailed sense,AIM hated Modok and hired the Serpent Society to kill him off! The two members known as Cotton mouth and Deathadder kick Modok's big headed @$$!! Due to the cuts he received from Deathadder's claws (which were poisonous by the way) Modok died!!! Deathadder,now I wouldn't mind having that guy back!!

> > > Cya
> > > The Plaid Skull

> > > Whenever there is injustice,tyranny,ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!

> > Damnit,Plaidy!!!!!! They jumped on him and bit him!!!!!! They were on top of him and biting him!!!!!!!

> > Whew!!!! Ned

> How the hell can Deathadder bite him? He has a mask!!!! As for Cottonmouth,yes he was biting him!! Deathadder claws were tipped with poison and with the help of Cottonmouth's biting killed the big headed bastard!!! Oh,and BTW Bring Back Modok!!!

> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

> Whenever there is injustice,tyranny,ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!

He could ...um...bite him through his mask...uh...with his razor sharp teeth...So there!!!! Don't bring him back, cause they bit him and he is dead.

A Heavily Medicated Ned



Re: Anyone know... (84)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 08, 1997 at 17:53:20 PST
in reply to Anyone know... (82), posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 07, 1997 at 16:35:03 PST

> ...how Flag Smasher died?

> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

> Whenever there was Injustice, Tyranny, Ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

...um...they bit him?



Cap. the greatest of all time? (85)

Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 09, 1997 at 08:48:10 PST

You know Cap. might be one of the greatest heroes of all time. Cap. fights for what everyone should believe in truth and justice. Hey how many other heroes are allways there no matter what the odds? Cap. will always be there.


Jordan/West in 2000



Re: Cap. the greatest of all time? (86)

Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 09, 1997 at 09:12:32 PST
in reply to Cap. the greatest of all time? (85), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 09, 1997 at 08:48:10 PST

> You know Cap. might be one of the greatest heroes of all time. Cap. fights for what everyone should believe in truth and justice. Hey how many other heroes are allways there no matter what the odds? Cap. will always be there.

>
> Jordan/West in 2000

I agree.
Captain America is right up there with Superman, Captain Mar-Vell and Batman...
He's a real icon.

CC



Captain America the animated series (87)

Posted by Venom on April 09, 1997 at 10:01:52 PST


Apparently Cap will take the place of Spiderman in the fall of 98. Expect vilains as: Red Skull, Baron Zemo, MODOK(JOin the BBM), AIM.
Also Nick Fury, Falcon, and Bucky.

--Venom--



Re: Captain America the animated series (88)

Posted by Tempest on April 09, 1997 at 10:26:17 PST
in reply to Captain America the animated series (87), posted by Venom on April 09, 1997 at 10:01:52 PST

>
> Let's just hope the series stays true to the source and keeps Red Skull a German! Not an Italian like that abysmal movie did! Seriously, I hope the new series will bring Cap the noteriety that he deserves. I would love to seem them tackle the classic Baron Blood/Union Jack storyline!



Re: Cap. the greatest of all time? (89)

Posted by Tempest on April 09, 1997 at 10:30:51 PST
in reply to Re: Cap. the greatest of all time? (86), posted by Cheshire Cat on April 09, 1997 at 09:12:32 PST

If we didn't think so, would we be here? To borrow a much-cliched line, "Captain America is the best there ever was and the best there ever will be!" No disrespect to Batman, but if a vote was taken based on honest, sensible opinion and not popularity, Captain America would have won the Amalgam fight! Anyway, Hail Cap!



Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (90)

Posted by Tempest on April 09, 1997 at 10:36:17 PST

Has anyone read the recent issue of Wizard where they come up with their version of "dream teams" for all the main Marvel titles, including Cap?
My first reaction upon reading their pick for Cap was "WHERE'S GARNEY?!". No disrespect to Ron Lim, but IMHO he is definetly not the right "Ron" for the Cap creative "dream team". What do you all think?



HR Cap America #7 (91)

Posted by Starving Writer on April 09, 1997 at 11:31:27 PST

I flipped through this book at the comic shop today... and what can I say? Simply this...

HR Cap America #7, despite being basically a "flashback" issue, had more plot and story by itself than Liefeld's entire 6-issue run. If I wasn't boycotting HR until it ends, I would had picked it up. This was easily the best Cap America issue since HR started... maybe even the best HR book so far.

What a difference a change of writer/artist make!

So, what do y'all think?

Starving Writer



Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (92)

Posted by Daniel Angers on April 09, 1997 at 12:08:13 PST
in reply to Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (90), posted by Tempest on April 09, 1997 at 10:36:17 PST

> Has anyone read the recent issue of Wizard where they come up with their version of "dream teams" for all the main Marvel titles, including Cap?
> My first reaction upon reading their pick for Cap was "WHERE'S GARNEY?!". No disrespect to Ron Lim, but IMHO he is definetly not the right "Ron" for the Cap creative "dream team". What do you all think?

I stopped buying Wizard because of things like that (and also they keep telling us how good Ron Marz is!!! F**k that). Ron Lim ?!? C'mon, he's not even in the top fives. I agree with you, Garney is one of the real good Cap artist. My top three Cap artists are:

1- Jack Kirby (respect for the creator)
2- Mike Zeck
3- Ron Garney

Dan



Re: HR Cap America #7 (93)

Posted by Daniel Angers on April 09, 1997 at 12:10:46 PST
in reply to HR Cap America #7 (91), posted by Starving Writer on April 09, 1997 at 11:31:27 PST

> I flipped through this book at the comic shop today... and what can I say? Simply this...

> HR Cap America #7, despite being basically a "flashback" issue, had more plot and story by itself than Liefeld's entire 6-issue run. If I wasn't boycotting HR until it ends, I would had picked it up. This was easily the best Cap America issue since HR started... maybe even the best HR book so far.

> What a difference a change of writer/artist make!

Hey, it's James Robinson, you can be sure it'll be good. But why the hell are you boycotting a book if you think it's a good book ?

Dan



Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (94)

Posted by Bubba2 on April 09, 1997 at 12:46:17 PST
in reply to Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (90), posted by Tempest on April 09, 1997 at 10:36:17 PST

> Has anyone read the recent issue of Wizard where they come up with their version of "dream teams" for all the main Marvel titles, including Cap?
> My first reaction upon reading their pick for Cap was "WHERE'S GARNEY?!". No disrespect to Ron Lim, but IMHO he is definetly not the right "Ron" for the Cap creative "dream team". What do you all think?

I like Garney's clean lines and "live" feel to his art. I really miss that in most comics. I look forward to him being back on Cap. Hey, did anyone else notice that the newest edition of Cap in HR is much better drawn than when Robby boy was doing the book? I almost bought it, but I decided to save my money.

Bubba2



Re: HR Cap America #7 (95)

Posted by Bubba2 on April 09, 1997 at 12:49:05 PST
in reply to HR Cap America #7 (91), posted by Starving Writer on April 09, 1997 at 11:31:27 PST

> I flipped through this book at the comic shop today... and what can I say? Simply this...

> HR Cap America #7, despite being basically a "flashback" issue, had more plot and story by itself than Liefeld's entire 6-issue run. If I wasn't boycotting HR until it ends, I would had picked it up. This was easily the best Cap America issue since HR started... maybe even the best HR book so far.

> What a difference a change of writer/artist make!

> So, what do y'all think?

> Starving Writer

Yeah, I liked the look of this new writer/artist team! They even made a sly poke at Clinton in the book. I also didn't buy it, however, because I don't really want to support the hype that has become Heroes Unborn. I wish they had never gone this route, although the new team seems to be bringing Cap back in line with the character we all knew and loved (pre-Robby boy!).

Bubba2



CAP IS BACK CAP IS BACK THANK GOD ALL MIGHTY CAP IS BACK. CAP #7 (96)

Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 09, 1997 at 13:09:45 PST

I could not wait to post this! Captain America the legend is back. No more eagle (thank god). Good artwork. I loved this comic it actually had a good story to it. If you like me are a diehard Cap. fan then it is a day to rejoyice! Thank god almighty no more Robslaught and no more Rodsuck.



We can agree on something! (97)

Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 09, 1997 at 13:11:32 PST
in reply to HR Cap America #7 (91), posted by Starving Writer on April 09, 1997 at 11:31:27 PST

> I flipped through this book at the comic shop today... and what can I say? Simply this...

> HR Cap America #7, despite being basically a "flashback" issue, had more plot and story by itself than Liefeld's entire 6-issue run. If I wasn't boycotting HR until it ends, I would had picked it up. This was easily the best Cap America issue since HR started... maybe even the best HR book so far.

> What a difference a change of writer/artist make!

> So, what do y'all think?

> Starving Writer

This comic is why I love Cap so much. Even though it is HR I brought it because I will stick by Cap through the good and the bad.

Hal/Wally in 2000



Re: CAP IS BACK CAP IS BACK THANK GOD ALL MIGHTY CAP IS BACK. CAP #7 (98)

Posted by Venom on April 09, 1997 at 13:47:31 PST
in reply to CAP IS BACK CAP IS BACK THANK GOD ALL MIGHTY CAP IS BACK. CAP #7 (96), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 09, 1997 at 13:09:45 PST

> I could not wait to post this! Captain America the legend is back. No more eagle (thank god). Good artwork. I loved this comic it actually had a good story to it. If you like me are a diehard Cap. fan then it is a day to rejoyice! Thank god almighty no more Robslaught and no more Rodsuck.

I agree the eagle is gone, I look forward to the flash back and the solo shot with Bucky and Cross bones. It is going to be beautiful, The A is back. Long LIve Captain America.

--Venom--



Uh Oh!!!! Where Are The Four Horsemen? *no text* (99)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 09, 1997 at 14:53:50 PST
in reply to We can agree on something! (97), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 09, 1997 at 13:11:32 PST

> > I flipped through this book at the comic shop today... and what can I say? Simply this...

> > HR Cap America #7, despite being basically a "flashback" issue, had more plot and story by itself than Liefeld's entire 6-issue run. If I wasn't boycotting HR until it ends, I would had picked it up. This was easily the best Cap America issue since HR started... maybe even the best HR book so far.

> > What a difference a change of writer/artist make!

> > So, what do y'all think?

> > Starving Writer

> This comic is why I love Cap so much. Even though it is HR I brought it because I will stick by Cap through the good and the bad.

> Hal/Wally in 2000



Re: CAP IS BACK CAP IS BACK THANK GOD ALL MIGHTY CAP IS BACK. CAP #7 (100)

Posted by Daniel Angers on April 09, 1997 at 16:11:50 PST
in reply to CAP IS BACK CAP IS BACK THANK GOD ALL MIGHTY CAP IS BACK. CAP #7 (96), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 09, 1997 at 13:09:45 PST

> I could not wait to post this! Captain America the legend is back. No more eagle (thank god). Good artwork. I loved this comic it actually had a good story to it. If you like me are a diehard Cap. fan then it is a day to rejoyice! Thank god almighty no more Robslaught and no more Rodsuck.

YEAH!!!! It was a real good story. Again, Robinson proves that he's among the best writer in the industry. I hope the new team on Avengers will be that good.

Dan



Re: Cap. the greatest of all time? (101)

Posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 09, 1997 at 18:15:32 PST
in reply to Re: Cap. the greatest of all time? (89), posted by Tempest on April 09, 1997 at 10:30:51 PST

> If we didn't think so, would we be here? To borrow a much-cliched line, "Captain America is the best there ever was and the best there ever will be!" No disrespect to Batman, but if a vote was taken based on honest, sensible opinion and not popularity, Captain America would have won the Amalgam fight! Anyway, Hail Cap!

Also Cap fights for his country!! Not because someone killed his parents!! Not because someone killed his best friend!! His fight has nothing to do about vengeance whatsoever!! Cap does it because he wants to!! If nothing tragic happened to Bruce Wayne or Peter Parker,I doubt that they'd do anything to help people out except maybe give some of their bucks to charity!! Hail Cap!!!

Cya
The Plaid Goblin



My First issue of Cap (102)

Posted by The Amazing Bob on April 09, 1997 at 20:26:01 PST
in reply to CAP IS BACK CAP IS BACK THANK GOD ALL MIGHTY CAP IS BACK. CAP #7 (96), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 09, 1997 at 13:09:45 PST

> I could not wait to post this! Captain America the legend is back. No more eagle (thank god). Good artwork. I loved this comic it actually had a good story to it. If you like me are a diehard Cap. fan then it is a day to rejoyice! Thank god almighty no more Robslaught and no more Rodsuck.

It was the first issue of Captian America I've ever bought. It was pretty good, but I don't know if I'd add it to my must buy list. I guess I'll give it a couple issue chance. I mainly picked it up because of Robinson. It's not as good as his work on Starman, but it was a good comic. I liked the flashback theme (since I knew almost nothing going in).
Bob



Re: My First issue of Cap (103)

Posted by Daniel Angers on April 09, 1997 at 20:46:12 PST
in reply to My First issue of Cap (102), posted by The Amazing Bob on April 09, 1997 at 20:26:01 PST

> > I could not wait to post this! Captain America the legend is back. No more eagle (thank god). Good artwork. I loved this comic it actually had a good story to it. If you like me are a diehard Cap. fan then it is a day to rejoyice! Thank god almighty no more Robslaught and no more Rodsuck.

> It was the first issue of Captian America I've ever bought. It was pretty good, but I don't know if I'd add it to my must buy list. I guess I'll give it a couple issue chance. I mainly picked it up because of Robinson. It's not as good as his work on Starman, but it was a good comic.

Well, Leave it to Chance and Starman may be James at his best but I think he did a pretty good job on Cap considering he had to undo all the crap Rob done. I'm sure we'll have a good ride with James and don't forget that Mark Waid and Ron Garney will return after heroes reborn, so you can add it to your must buy list. It's worth it.

Dan



Re: HR Cap America #7 (104)

Posted by Starving Writer on April 10, 1997 at 02:51:20 PST
in reply to Re: HR Cap America #7 (93), posted by Daniel Angers on April 09, 1997 at 12:10:46 PST

> > I flipped through this book at the comic shop today... and what can I say? Simply this...

> > HR Cap America #7, despite being basically a "flashback" issue, had more plot and story by itself than Liefeld's entire 6-issue run. If I wasn't boycotting HR until it ends, I would had picked it up. This was easily the best Cap America issue since HR started... maybe even the best HR book so far.

> > What a difference a change of writer/artist make!

> Hey, it's James Robinson, you can be sure it'll be good. But why the hell are you boycotting a book if you think it's a good book ?

> Dan

A few reasons....

1) To save money.

2) So I can show support for when Waid/Busiek/Kesel takes over the post-HR books by helping to cause the sales to rise.

I want HR to end as soon as possible!

Starving Writer



Cap # 7 - Let's Not Over React Here (105)

Posted by Hobgoblin on April 10, 1997 at 06:19:43 PST

Sure, it was leaps and bounds above Robslaught's crap, but it wasn't great, either. But much of that is because it had to deal with re-capping Liefeld's lame new 'origin' ... Which is just really really really dumb. And I hated having to look at Clinton's ugly mug the whole issue!

But, it was definately the right start. And man, what a cover!

--Hobgoblin



Re: Which Cap. Stroy line is the best ever? (106)

Posted by Hobgoblin on April 10, 1997 at 06:21:50 PST
in reply to Which Cap. Stroy line is the best ever? (49), posted by Hal/Waly in 2000 on April 05, 1997 at 10:27:23 PST


> ? hard choice isn't it. Maybe maybe not. Well I guess we could rule out the current story line! hummmmm how about the one where Rosco takes over? At least 183 has the greatest Cap. speech of all time. Ok Ok. Lets here what you have to say.

>
> Jordan/West all the way in 2000

For a single issue, my favorite is his resignation in Cap # 332 (with the bleeding flag on the cover).

--Hobby



Re: HR Cap America #7 (107)

Posted by Daniel Angers on April 10, 1997 at 08:25:40 PST
in reply to Re: HR Cap America #7 (104), posted by Starving Writer on April 10, 1997 at 02:51:20 PST

> > > I flipped through this book at the comic shop today... and what can I say? Simply this...

> > > HR Cap America #7, despite being basically a "flashback" issue, had more plot and story by itself than Liefeld's entire 6-issue run. If I wasn't boycotting HR until it ends, I would had picked it up. This was easily the best Cap America issue since HR started... maybe even the best HR book so far.

> > > What a difference a change of writer/artist make!

> > Hey, it's James Robinson, you can be sure it'll be good. But why the hell are you boycotting a book if you think it's a good book ?

> > Dan

> A few reasons....

> 1) To save money.

But there is always a place for a good book.

> 2) So I can show support for when Waid/Busiek/Kesel takes over the post-HR books by helping to cause the sales to rise.

Hey, I never thought of that. It's a good point.

Dan



Re: Cap # 7 - Let's Not Over React Here (108)

Posted by Daniel Angers on April 10, 1997 at 08:28:05 PST
in reply to Cap # 7 - Let's Not Over React Here (105), posted by Hobgoblin on April 10, 1997 at 06:19:43 PST

> Sure, it was leaps and bounds above Robslaught's crap, but it wasn't great, either. But much of that is because it had to deal with re-capping Liefeld's lame new 'origin' ... Which is just really really really dumb. And I hated having to look at Clinton's ugly mug the whole issue!

> But, it was definately the right start. And man, what a cover!

> --Hobgoblin

I agree with you for the cover, it was great ! I hope Jim Lee will continue to do the covers for Cap. And for the story, I think it was pretty good considering that Robinson didn't plot it.

Dan



Whatever Happened to Diamondback? (109)

Posted by Hobgoblin on April 10, 1997 at 15:03:30 PST

I liked her. What happened to her?

--Hobby



Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (110)

Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 10, 1997 at 16:45:35 PST
in reply to Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (92), posted by Daniel Angers on April 09, 1997 at 12:08:13 PST

> > Has anyone read the recent issue of Wizard where they come up with their version of "dream teams" for all the main Marvel titles, including Cap?
> > My first reaction upon reading their pick for Cap was "WHERE'S GARNEY?!". No disrespect to Ron Lim, but IMHO he is definetly not the right "Ron" for the Cap creative "dream team". What do you all think?

> I stopped buying Wizard because of things like that (and also they keep telling us how good Ron Marz is!!! F**k that). Ron Lim ?!? C'mon, he's not even in the top fives. I agree with you, Garney is one of the real good Cap artist. My top three Cap artists are:

> 1- Jack Kirby (respect for the creator)
> 2- Mike Zeck
> 3- Ron Garney

> Dan

I agree, for the most part, with the above list...
However, I have to change it somewhat, adding just a few:

1 - Jack Kirby
2 - Joe Simon
3 - Ron Garney
4 - Mike Zeck
5 - Kieron Dwyer (a great unsung hero artist of CAP)
6 - Ron Lim

This was one of the two or three choices for "Dream Teams" that I argued with...
I liked a lot of them, such as Immonen being on THOR - - they were right about him bringing the grandeur of Thor's godliness to the title.
I didn't like Chang being the choice of art for X-FACTOR, as I think he deserves a title that could better showcase his abilities.

CC

CC



Re: Whatever Happened to Diamondback? (111)

Posted by Justice on April 10, 1997 at 16:47:43 PST
in reply to Whatever Happened to Diamondback? (109), posted by Hobgoblin on April 10, 1997 at 15:03:30 PST

> I liked her. What happened to her?

> --Hobby

I liked her, too. It seems she fell into comic limbo, after apparently turning to Superia's side in order to get Steve cured. I hope she comes back after Heroes Reborn. I greatly preferres her to Sharon Carter.



Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (112)

Posted by Justice on April 10, 1997 at 16:53:29 PST

Remember Cap's ragtag group of cohorts who hung out with him for awhile? The group basically consisted of Nomad, Vagabond, Falcon, Demolition Man, and Diamondback. I wouldn't mind seeing them (with the expecption of Nomad, who never impressed me) return, possibly with the addition of Free Spirit. Not necessarily permanently, just in an occassional guest role. Maybe even just for one story. But I think it would be so cool to see Waid and Garney work on them. Others I want to see Waid and Garney work on include the Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Quasar, Spitfire (who was rejuvenated, remember), and Union Jack. I think the Cap Dream team could make all of these characters alot of fun.



Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (113)

Posted by Tempest on April 11, 1997 at 10:06:13 PST
in reply to Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (112), posted by Justice on April 10, 1997 at 16:53:29 PST

Justice,
I think seeing Garney's version of Falcon would be cool. I never really cared much for Nomad either. Maybe Garney could give Demolition Man a new look..that Daredevil/Wolverine hybrid outfit just didn't do it for me. I'd like to see Waid and Garney tackle a story involving Union Jack..maybe bringing back Baron Blood...sccaaaary. My knowlege of Cap history is spotty, so if Baron Blood's been brought back already, excuse my ignorance. =)



Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (114)

Posted by Bubba2 on April 11, 1997 at 10:35:08 PST
in reply to Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (113), posted by Tempest on April 11, 1997 at 10:06:13 PST

> Justice,
> I think seeing Garney's version of Falcon would be cool. I never really cared much for Nomad either. Maybe Garney could give Demolition Man a new look..that Daredevil/Wolverine hybrid outfit just didn't do it for me. I'd like to see Waid and Garney tackle a story involving Union Jack..maybe bringing back Baron Blood...sccaaaary. My knowlege of Cap history is spotty, so if Baron Blood's been brought back already, excuse my ignorance. =)

I'm not real sure if Baron Blood can be brought back, didn't Cap decapitate him the last time they met?

Bubba2



Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (115)

Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 11, 1997 at 10:40:42 PST
in reply to Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (114), posted by Bubba2 on April 11, 1997 at 10:35:08 PST

> > Justice,
> > I think seeing Garney's version of Falcon would be cool. I never really cared much for Nomad either. Maybe Garney could give Demolition Man a new look..that Daredevil/Wolverine hybrid outfit just didn't do it for me. I'd like to see Waid and Garney tackle a story involving Union Jack..maybe bringing back Baron Blood...sccaaaary. My knowlege of Cap history is spotty, so if Baron Blood's been brought back already, excuse my ignorance. =)

> I'm not real sure if Baron Blood can be brought back, didn't Cap decapitate him the last time they met?

> Bubba2

Yeah, well, Baron Blood also got impaled on a stalactite near Falsworth Manor back in the '40s, and he came back from that to have Cap chop his head off with his shield...
As a matter of fact, didn't Blood return during one of the Waid/Garney issues?
Anyway, the point is, he could still come back, any way you slice it.

CC



Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (116)

Posted by Justice on April 11, 1997 at 14:24:47 PST
in reply to Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (115), posted by Cheshire Cat on April 11, 1997 at 10:40:42 PST

> > > Justice,
> > > I think seeing Garney's version of Falcon would be cool. I never really cared much for Nomad either. Maybe Garney could give Demolition Man a new look..that Daredevil/Wolverine hybrid outfit just didn't do it for me. I'd like to see Waid and Garney tackle a story involving Union Jack..maybe bringing back Baron Blood...sccaaaary. My knowlege of Cap history is spotty, so if Baron Blood's been brought back already, excuse my ignorance. =)

> > I'm not real sure if Baron Blood can be brought back, didn't Cap decapitate him the last time they met?

> > Bubba2

> Yeah, well, Baron Blood also got impaled on a stalactite near Falsworth Manor back in the '40s, and he came back from that to have Cap chop his head off with his shield...
> As a matter of fact, didn't Blood return during one of the Waid/Garney issues?
> Anyway, the point is, he could still come back, any way you slice it.

> CC

Okay, so we settled the Baron Blood thing (although nobody mentioned that there was also another Baron Blood in the Dr. Strange series). But what about the other characters? Huh?



Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (117)

Posted by Tempest on April 11, 1997 at 14:43:26 PST
in reply to Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (116), posted by Justice on April 11, 1997 at 14:24:47 PST

> > > I'm not real sure if Baron Blood can be brought back, didn't Cap decapitate him the last time they met?

> > > Bubba2

> > Yeah, well, Baron Blood also got impaled on a stalactite near Falsworth Manor back in the '40s, and he came back from that to have Cap chop his head off with his shield...
> > As a matter of fact, didn't Blood return during one of the Waid/Garney issues?
> > Anyway, the point is, he could still come back, any way you slice it.

> > CC

> Okay, so we settled the Baron Blood thing (although nobody mentioned that there was also another Baron Blood in the Dr. Strange series). But what about the other characters? Huh?

Sorry, but one more Blood comment, Justice. I don't remember him ever appearing in any of the Waid/Garney issues, CC. I think the only super-villains used in any of the Waid/Garney issues was Red Skull and...darn it what's his name that caused Steve to be exiled. But I think Waid/Garney could take any of the old Cap cast members and make them cool. Can any of you tell me whats up with Jack Flagg, I've got the back issues from that story arc he was in, but haven't had the chance to read it yet. He looks cool, but was he a good guy or what?
Also, who here actually likes the Jack Kirby stuff from mid 70's. I certainly do...I think people were far too critical. The stuff is fun reading although it got away from a lot of what Steve Englehardt had established in previous issues. Sorry to be so long winded. =)
>>TEMPEST



Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (118)

Posted by Tempest on April 11, 1997 at 14:50:59 PST
in reply to Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (94), posted by Bubba2 on April 09, 1997 at 12:46:17 PST

> I like Garney's clean lines and "live" feel to his art. I really miss that in most comics. I look forward to him being back on Cap. Hey, did anyone else notice that the newest edition of Cap in HR is much better drawn than when Robby boy was doing the book? I almost bought it, but I decided to save my money.

> Bubba2

I haven't gotten my copy of #7 in the mail yet, but who did the artwork...Platt? Anything is better than Liefeld, well maybe with the exception of stick figures. Ya, I like Garney's "live" feel to. He just embues such strength and nobility in Cap's appearance. It makes you almost want to stand up and salute! What I miss most in comics is the use of smaller panels. Too many artists today forsake good storytelling artwork for pinups and splash pages. It makes me sick to see it so prevalent in comics today. I guess that's what irks me the most about the HR stuff, even Iron Man. They drag out into 5 issues what should be told in 1 or 2 issues. I don't know if its the writers fault for not creating enough script, forcing the artist to use more splashes or its the artist demanding the writer to write shorter scripts to allow more splashes. Either way it sucks!



George Washington and his many shames!!! (119)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 11, 1997 at 20:17:25 PST

Wow!! George Washington planted Hemp,had slaves, and put illuminati symbols on American currency?!!! No wonder his teeth were so crappy!! He was too busy smokin'!!! Not only is Cap America entertaining now, but it's also educational!!! Go back with the "A" Cap!! Go back with the "A"!!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there was Injustice, Tyranny, Ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!



Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (120)

Posted by Justice on April 11, 1997 at 21:18:57 PST
in reply to Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (117), posted by Tempest on April 11, 1997 at 14:43:26 PST

> > > > I'm not real sure if Baron Blood can be brought back, didn't Cap decapitate him the last time they met?

> > > > Bubba2

> > > Yeah, well, Baron Blood also got impaled on a stalactite near Falsworth Manor back in the '40s, and he came back from that to have Cap chop his head off with his shield...
> > > As a matter of fact, didn't Blood return during one of the Waid/Garney issues?
> > > Anyway, the point is, he could still come back, any way you slice it.

> > > CC

> > Okay, so we settled the Baron Blood thing (although nobody mentioned that there was also another Baron Blood in the Dr. Strange series). But what about the other characters? Huh?

> Sorry, but one more Blood comment, Justice. I don't remember him ever appearing in any of the Waid/Garney issues, CC. I think the only super-villains used in any of the Waid/Garney issues was Red Skull and...darn it what's his name that caused Steve to be exiled. But I think Waid/Garney could take any of the old Cap cast members and make them cool. Can any of you tell me whats up with Jack Flagg, I've got the back issues from that story arc he was in, but haven't had the chance to read it yet. He looks cool, but was he a good guy or what?
> Also, who here actually likes the Jack Kirby stuff from mid 70's. I certainly do...I think people were far too critical. The stuff is fun reading although it got away from a lot of what Steve Englehardt had established in previous issues. Sorry to be so long winded. =)
> >>TEMPEST

No problem, Tempest. Jack Flagg was a good guy, and he teamed up with Free Spirit and Cap right before Cap "expired". His powers were very similar to those of Cap and Spirit, so the trio had a problem with making a multi-faceted attack, but hey. He wasn't particulary amazing, but I have always been a proponent of "lame" characters in comics (after all, without the lame ones, where would the great ones be?), since the writer can take more risks with them and they can be a lot of fun. He did have a pretty dumb name, though. As for my previous message, I wasn't really addressing you, but the two who responded to you. I was glad they addressed your Baron Blood question, but I would like to get their opinion on my post, too. Either way, your reply has given me satisfaction that I'm not the only one wanting to see some of these characters back.



Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (121)

Posted by Justice on April 11, 1997 at 22:54:47 PST
in reply to Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (118), posted by Tempest on April 11, 1997 at 14:50:59 PST

> > I like Garney's clean lines and "live" feel to his art. I really miss that in most comics. I look forward to him being back on Cap. Hey, did anyone else notice that the newest edition of Cap in HR is much better drawn than when Robby boy was doing the book? I almost bought it, but I decided to save my money.

> > Bubba2

> I haven't gotten my copy of #7 in the mail yet, but who did the artwork...Platt? Anything is better than Liefeld, well maybe with the exception of stick figures. Ya, I like Garney's "live" feel to. He just embues such strength and nobility in Cap's appearance. It makes you almost want to stand up and salute! What I miss most in comics is the use of smaller panels. Too many artists today forsake good storytelling artwork for pinups and splash pages. It makes me sick to see it so prevalent in comics today. I guess that's what irks me the most about the HR stuff, even Iron Man. They drag out into 5 issues what should be told in 1 or 2 issues. I don't know if its the writers fault for not creating enough script, forcing the artist to use more splashes or its the artist demanding the writer to write shorter scripts to allow more splashes. Either way it sucks!


Nope. Joe Phillips and Homage Studios did the artwork, including a two page pin-up type deal by amazing artist (from X-Men/WildC.A.T.s # 1) Travis Charest. At the end, Cap doesn't get his A back, but he does loes the eagle. Also, Jim Lee did the cover.



Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (122)

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 11, 1997 at 23:03:01 PST
in reply to Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (120), posted by Justice on April 11, 1997 at 21:18:57 PST

> > > > > I'm not real sure if Baron Blood can be brought back, didn't Cap decapitate him the last time they met?

> > > > > Bubba2

> > > > Yeah, well, Baron Blood also got impaled on a stalactite near Falsworth Manor back in the '40s, and he came back from that to have Cap chop his head off with his shield...
> > > > As a matter of fact, didn't Blood return during one of the Waid/Garney issues?
> > > > Anyway, the point is, he could still come back, any way you slice it.

> > > > CC

> > > Okay, so we settled the Baron Blood thing (although nobody mentioned that there was also another Baron Blood in the Dr. Strange series). But what about the other characters? Huh?

> > Sorry, but one more Blood comment, Justice. I don't remember him ever appearing in any of the Waid/Garney issues, CC. I think the only super-villains used in any of the Waid/Garney issues was Red Skull and...darn it what's his name that caused Steve to be exiled. But I think Waid/Garney could take any of the old Cap cast members and make them cool. Can any of you tell me whats up with Jack Flagg, I've got the back issues from that story arc he was in, but haven't had the chance to read it yet. He looks cool, but was he a good guy or what?
> > Also, who here actually likes the Jack Kirby stuff from mid 70's. I certainly do...I think people were far too critical. The stuff is fun reading although it got away from a lot of what Steve Englehardt had established in previous issues. Sorry to be so long winded. =)
> > >>TEMPEST

> No problem, Tempest. Jack Flagg was a good guy, and he teamed up with Free Spirit and Cap right before Cap "expired". His powers were very similar to those of Cap and Spirit, so the trio had a problem with making a multi-faceted attack, but hey. He wasn't particulary amazing, but I have always been a proponent of "lame" characters in comics (after all, without the lame ones, where would the great ones be?), since the writer can take more risks with them and they can be a lot of fun. He did have a pretty dumb name, though. As for my previous message, I wasn't really addressing you, but the two who responded to you. I was glad they addressed your Baron Blood question, but I would like to get their opinion on my post, too. Either way, your reply has given me satisfaction that I'm not the only one wanting to see some of these characters back.

Hey,who is the current Union Jack? Is he Falsworth or is he still the later Union Jack's friend? Does he still have that cool costume? And as for Diamond Back I wouldn't mind having her back if she changed her costume!! Nomad is a nazi now isn't he?

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!



Re: Sharon Carter question (123)

Posted by Michael Kaiser on April 12, 1997 at 10:19:58 PST
in reply to Re: Sharon Carter question (48), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on April 05, 1997 at 10:24:03 PST

> > What's with this Sharon Carter coming back from the dead? Last I saw her she was set ablaze by the Grand Director,how do you come back from that?

> > Cya
> > The Plaid Goblin

> Well Mark can make anything happen can't he?

> Hal/Wally in 2000 (61 days till I meet Waid!)

Well wasn't Shield in the habit of making robot/androids out of their agents sometime in the 80's. I thought that was what had happened. Besides which, Cap saw Sharon's death via a monitor so that could have easily been faked.

Mike....



Details of Liefield Departure? (124)

Posted by Tony on April 12, 1997 at 16:39:46 PST

After Liefield started on Cap, I stopped buying the title. Does anyone know the whys and wherefores of his departure (other than the obvious fact that he can't write and was totally screwing up a classic character)? I hope this signals Liefield's departure from COMICS entirely.



Re: Details of Liefield Departure? (125)

Posted by Swashbuckler on April 13, 1997 at 07:38:18 PST
in reply to Details of Liefield Departure? (124), posted by Tony on April 12, 1997 at 16:39:46 PST


> After Liefield started on Cap, I stopped buying the title. Does anyone know the whys and wherefores of his departure (other than the obvious fact that he can't write and was totally screwing up a classic character)? I hope this signals Liefield's departure from COMICS entirely.

Some of this is speculation, some of it is fact ...

Two words: Bad Press. Marvel got lambaisted with bad press for Liefeld's crap on Avengers & Cap. Even though it sold, it made Marvel look really bad. Then, there was a change at the top -- the folks who made the agreement with Lee & Liefeld were removed -- and Marvel ditched him. I assume they figured they could get just as good sales without him now as with him. I have a feeling they might be even better.

Hope that helps!

-- Swashbuckler



Re: Brawl to Behold (126)

Posted by Daniel G. Christensen on April 13, 1997 at 08:12:37 PST
in reply to Brawl to Behold (75), posted by Rios on April 07, 1997 at 10:45:53 PST

> I don't know if you people saw that article in a recent issue of Wizard, but they asked this same question and I agree with them. They said that the biggest edge Batman has is his ability to plan ahead for this rumble. he would set up various traps and escapes to fight another day. Well, This is what the Red Skull does every single time they fight and Cap wins anyway. Cap wins in a straight mano-a-mano fight. ...Cap would win, that's just what he does.

Bravo! Well put, I couldn't have said it better my self!. My money's on Captain America



Steranko search (127)

Posted by batroc on April 13, 1997 at 11:28:25 PST


This message board is fantastic. I've been reading about alot
of you talking about writers. Whatever happened to Jim Steranko?
It would be great to see him plot and draw Cap one more time.
Does anyone remember the classic storyline from issue #110?
What has this guy been doing the last couple of years?



Re: Steranko search (128)

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 13, 1997 at 13:29:33 PST
in reply to Steranko search (127), posted by batroc on April 13, 1997 at 11:28:25 PST

>
> This message board is fantastic. I've been reading about alot
> of you talking about writers. Whatever happened to Jim Steranko?
> It would be great to see him plot and draw Cap one more time.
> Does anyone remember the classic storyline from issue #110?
> What has this guy been doing the last couple of years?

I dunno.....His stuff was fun to look at. My favorite memory of his work is the naet Cap cover with the Hulk and Bucky trying like crazy to get out of his way....


Ned



Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (129)

Posted by Arcade on April 14, 1997 at 05:57:49 PST
in reply to Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (122), posted by The Plaid Skull on April 11, 1997 at 23:03:01 PST

> > > > > > I'm not real sure if Baron Blood can be brought back, didn't Cap decapitate him the last time they met?

> > > > > > Bubba2

> > > > > Yeah, well, Baron Blood also got impaled on a stalactite near Falsworth Manor back in the '40s, and he came back from that to have Cap chop his head off with his shield...
> > > > > As a matter of fact, didn't Blood return during one of the Waid/Garney issues?
> > > > > Anyway, the point is, he could still come back, any way you slice it.

> > > > > CC

> > > > Okay, so we settled the Baron Blood thing (although nobody mentioned that there was also another Baron Blood in the Dr. Strange series). But what about the other characters? Huh?

> > > Sorry, but one more Blood comment, Justice. I don't remember him ever appearing in any of the Waid/Garney issues, CC. I think the only super-villains used in any of the Waid/Garney issues was Red Skull and...darn it what's his name that caused Steve to be exiled. But I think Waid/Garney could take any of the old Cap cast members and make them cool. Can any of you tell me whats up with Jack Flagg, I've got the back issues from that story arc he was in, but haven't had the chance to read it yet. He looks cool, but was he a good guy or what?
> > > Also, who here actually likes the Jack Kirby stuff from mid 70's. I certainly do...I think people were far too critical. The stuff is fun reading although it got away from a lot of what Steve Englehardt had established in previous issues. Sorry to be so long winded. =)
> > > >>TEMPEST

> > No problem, Tempest. Jack Flagg was a good guy, and he teamed up with Free Spirit and Cap right before Cap "expired". His powers were very similar to those of Cap and Spirit, so the trio had a problem with making a multi-faceted attack, but hey. He wasn't particulary amazing, but I have always been a proponent of "lame" characters in comics (after all, without the lame ones, where would the great ones be?), since the writer can take more risks with them and they can be a lot of fun. He did have a pretty dumb name, though. As for my previous message, I wasn't really addressing you, but the two who responded to you. I was glad they addressed your Baron Blood question, but I would like to get their opinion on my post, too. Either way, your reply has given me satisfaction that I'm not the only one wanting to see some of these characters back.

> Hey,who is the current Union Jack? Is he Falsworth or is he still the later Union Jack's friend? Does he still have that cool costume? And as for Diamond Back I wouldn't mind having her back if she changed her costume!! Nomad is a nazi now isn't he?

> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!

Last I saw Diamondback, she donned the outfit of her nemesis Snapdragon (the one who almost killed her) after Diamond killed her (confused? good.)

Last I saw Nomad, she got blown up in the last issue of his series (#25), and was cryogenically frozen on the last page. He ain't been seen since.

To answer a question way before these two, the two primary villains of the Waid/Garney books were the Red Skull and the Machinesmith (I'm pretty sure he got killed in the conclusion of that storyline; at least, I'm hoping.)



A Captain America story I wrote to Wizard a few years ago... (130)

Posted by Arcade on April 14, 1997 at 06:08:47 PST

A few years ago, Wizard announced a contest where people could write a short story for a future 1/2 issue of Captain America to be shipped with an issue of the magazine (I don't think they went through with it at the end, though)

So I wrote a story about Captain America, Daredevil and (you guessed it) Arcade. In it, I had Daredevil get captured by Arcade, and Captain America, who was nearby fighting the Killer Shrike (or the Beetle, I can't quite remember), hears Daredevil being captured (by Arcade's infamous garbage truck) and follows the truck to an abandoned pier in NYC.

He breaks into the building, only to be trapped in Murderworld, which is situated some distance below the building. While Arcade plays around with Daredevil, he sees Cap and loads up some VR-type program which features people associated with Cap (like Sharon Carter, Bucky and the Red Skull), torturing Cap with stuff like "Why did you let me die Cap?!" and "You'll never ever beat me Captain America!!!", until Cap nearly flips out and destroys Arcade's VR device with his shield. Arcade retreats, Cap rescues Daredevil, and they escape Murderworld, which appropriately blows up just as they get out.

Of course, there were problems with this story (written at least 3 or 4 years ago), like how did Arcade know about Sharon Carter and Cap's association, and why did Murderworld blow up after Cap wrecked a simple computer device.

But hey, it was a contest, which ended up having no winner because there was no comic.

Anybody like or dislike? Please post if you like; please don't thrash me and my way of thinking,I beg you.

Bye!



Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (131)

Posted by The Plaid Hal! on April 14, 1997 at 09:31:23 PST
in reply to Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (112), posted by Justice on April 10, 1997 at 16:53:29 PST

> Remember Cap's ragtag group of cohorts who hung out with him for awhile? The group basically consisted of Nomad, Vagabond, Falcon, Demolition Man, and Diamondback. I wouldn't mind seeing them (with the expecption of Nomad, who never impressed me) return, possibly with the addition of Free Spirit. Not necessarily permanently, just in an occassional guest role. Maybe even just for one story. But I think it would be so cool to see Waid and Garney work on them. Others I want to see Waid and Garney work on include the Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Quasar, Spitfire (who was rejuvenated, remember), and Union Jack. I think the Cap Dream team could make all of these characters alot of fun.

Hey what about Skull and Murdock? Oh and Viper.



Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (132)

Posted by Tempest on April 14, 1997 at 09:40:54 PST
in reply to Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (129), posted by Arcade on April 14, 1997 at 05:57:49 PST

Machinesmith!....that's his name. Thanks, Justice. I believe he was nixed at the conclusion. As I said earlier I'm spotty on my Cap history since I read the title regularly from issue 271 to 290, but quit until issue 444...now thats what you call a long layoff. Anyway, I've bought a considerable amount of backissues and I'm up to reading issue 219 right now. I can't wait to get to the rest of them!! Long Live Cap!!



Re: A Captain America story I wrote to Wizard a few years ago... (133)

Posted by Tempest on April 14, 1997 at 09:45:17 PST
in reply to A Captain America story I wrote to Wizard a few years ago... (130), posted by Arcade on April 14, 1997 at 06:08:47 PST

It sounds interesting to me. I haven't had an opportunity to read many stories involving Arcade and Murderworld, so that aspect of it is cool.
Arcade needs to be wearing that corny, 70's leisure suit though. Not one these X-villain, military type outfits with belts and buckles that are like totally useless and functionless.



Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (134)

Posted by Justice on April 14, 1997 at 09:46:15 PST
in reply to Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (132), posted by Tempest on April 14, 1997 at 09:40:54 PST

> Machinesmith!....that's his name. Thanks, Justice. I believe he was nixed at the conclusion. As I said earlier I'm spotty on my Cap history since I read the title regularly from issue 271 to 290, but quit until issue 444...now thats what you call a long layoff. Anyway, I've bought a considerable amount of backissues and I'm up to reading issue 219 right now. I can't wait to get to the rest of them!! Long Live Cap!!

Well, Tempest, your welcome, but it was actually Arcafe who said Machinesmith. :)



Re: Which Cap. Storyline is the best ever? (135)

Posted by Rob on April 14, 1997 at 12:18:21 PST
in reply to Re: Which Cap. Stroy line is the best ever? (106), posted by Hobgoblin on April 10, 1997 at 06:21:50 PST


>
> > ? hard choice isn't it. Maybe maybe not. Well I guess we could rule out the current story line! hummmmm how about the one where Rosco takes over? At least 183 has the greatest Cap. speech of all time. Ok Ok. Lets here what you have to say.

> >
> > Jordan/West all the way in 2000

> For a single issue, my favorite is his resignation in Cap # 332 (with the bleeding flag on the cover).

> --Hobby

I think Englehart's run would generally rate as the most consistently good period (#153 thru #185 or so). Also the Steranko (#110, 111, & 113) & Byrne (#247-255) issues are among the best issues in the series. Most underrated period in my opinion is the early 1970s issues from around #120-144. These issues often had good complete-in-one-issue stories by Stan Lee, sometimes having social relevance, and art by the likes of Colan and Romita. I think such a format would work well today, in fact.

Among my favorite issues of Cap (not counting any referred to above):

#107 - First appearance of Doctor Faustus
#225 - Steve Gerber's (false) origin of Cap
#234-235: Great aerial scenes w/Cap & Daredevil!
#237 - One of the all-time best issues, introducing Cap's new cast (by the way, whatever happened to them?)
#261-263: Nomad 3-parter w/Zeck art
#267: Possibly my favorite issue of Cap, with intelligent scripting by DeMatteis... sort of a book-end to those early 1970s Caps
mentioned above.

And...
CAP'S BICENTENNIAL BATTLES (1976) by Kirby... has great art & great ideas with Cap visiting various phases of America.




Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (136)

Posted by Tempest on April 14, 1997 at 13:45:44 PST
in reply to Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (134), posted by Justice on April 14, 1997 at 09:46:15 PST

> Well, Tempest, your welcome, but it was actually Arcafe who said Machinesmith. :)

But Hey, you posed the question that eventually led to that question being answered so you still deserve my thanks! =)
Tempest



Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (137)

Posted by Moldy Sponge his psycho friends! on April 14, 1997 at 14:07:33 PST
in reply to Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (112), posted by Justice on April 10, 1997 at 16:53:29 PST

yeah, and you know what would really hit the spot is some warm, delicious apple pie. And who's Captain America. What is this even the Grandma's International Homepage. OH DARN IT!



Best/Worst/Most Underrated Cap Artists (138)

Posted by Rob on April 14, 1997 at 18:04:50 PDT
in reply to Re: Wizard Once Again Proves It's Stupidity!! (110), posted by Cheshire Cat on April 10, 1997 at 16:45:35 PST

> > Garney is one of the real good Cap artist. My top three Cap artists are:

> > 1- Jack Kirby (respect for the creator)
> > 2- Mike Zeck
> > 3- Ron Garney

> > Dan

> I agree, for the most part, with the above list...
> However, I have to change it somewhat, adding just a few:

> 1 - Jack Kirby
> 2 - Joe Simon
> 3 - Ron Garney
> 4 - Mike Zeck
> 5 - Kieron Dwyer (a great unsung hero artist of CAP)
> 6 - Ron Lim


My favorite Cap artists are Kirby, Byrne, Zeck, and Steranko. I don't think anyone has topped their artwork on the title. Most underrated Cap artists would have to include Sal Buscema and Frank Robbins. On the other hand, some people might include them among the worst Cap artists (I don't). Paul Neary was one of my least favorite Cap artists until his final several issues. His work is hard to judge fairly because he followed the great Mike Zeck (who left too soon) and probably because of the ultra-brite coloring used at the time. John Romita Sr. did some great Cap work. It would be interesting to see more of Gil Kane's Cap... he did very few issues (personally I don't care for the Tales of Suspense Cap story I've seen of his). George Perez drew Cap well in Avengers, but --aside from the odd cover -- never drew an issue of Cap, as far as I can determine. I remember reading that Jim Lee was a Capfan (Cap appears in a Lee-drawn Uncanny X-Men), which makes it seem odd that he would not want to do Cap instead of Liefeld. I'm not as familiar with the newer artists, but I recently obtained a slew of Caps from the past ten years (very cheaply, too) and have found that some of it was good, better than I judged at the time.



Aw shucks, Tempest. *no text* (139)

Posted by Justice on April 14, 1997 at 21:09:15 PDT
in reply to Re: Yeah, but what about the others I mentioned? (136), posted by Tempest on April 14, 1997 at 13:45:44 PST

> > Well, Tempest, your welcome, but it was actually Arcafe who said Machinesmith. :)

> But Hey, you posed the question that eventually led to that question being answered so you still deserve my thanks! =)
> Tempest