Posted by Arcade on April 15, 1997 at 06:43:46 PDT
in reply to Re: A Captain America story I wrote to Wizard a few years ago... (133), posted by Tempest on April 14, 1997 at 09:45:17 PST

> It sounds interesting to me. I haven't had an opportunity to read many stories involving Arcade and Murderworld, so that aspect of it is cool.
> Arcade needs to be wearing that corny, 70's leisure suit though. Not one these X-villain, military type outfits with belts and buckles that are like totally useless and functionless.

And this story took place before he sliced and diced himself to make it look like Wolverine attacked him, so he was definitely wearing the leisure suit with the red sunglasses and big-@$$ polka-dotted bow tie!

Posted by Rob on April 15, 1997 at 08:18:46 PDT
in reply to Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (112), posted by Justice on April 10, 1997 at 16:53:29 PST

> Remember Cap's ragtag group of cohorts who hung out with him for awhile? The group basically consisted of Nomad, Vagabond, Falcon, Demolition Man, and Diamondback. I wouldn't mind seeing them (with the expecption of Nomad, who never impressed me) return, possibly with the addition of Free Spirit. Not necessarily permanently, just in an occassional guest role. Maybe even just for one story. But I think it would be so cool to see Waid and Garney work on them. Others I want to see Waid and Garney work on include the Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Quasar, Spitfire (who was rejuvenated, remember), and Union Jack. I think the Cap Dream team could make all of these characters alot of fun.

What about Cap's old non-powered supporting cast? I wonder what ever happened to Josh Cooper, Anna Kapplebaum, Mike Farrel, Bernie Rosenthal (although she's appeared more than the rest in recent years, I think), Leila (Falcon's girlfriend), La Contessa Valentina Allegro de Fontaine (or Val for short, of SHIELD), Peggy Carter & Gabe Jones (of SHIELD), that Police Commisioner Cap worked for, that gang-boss Morgan, Cap's boyhood pal Arnie, etc. Maybe someone can tell me what ultimately happened to some of these non-powered characters. (Hopefully they didn't obtain powers, become evil, & get killed off...)

I'd very much like to see The Falcon return as an occasional partner for Cap. Also liked Free Spirit. Don't care for D-Man at all. I notice that the recent Marvel Fanfare #1 says, on the cover, that the story is the final time Cap & Falc will team-up... Is that serious??

Posted by Tempest on April 15, 1997 at 09:23:11 PDT
in reply to Re: A Captain America story I wrote to Wizard a few years ago... (140), posted by Arcade on April 15, 1997 at 06:43:46 PDT

Coooooooool. Doesn't he wear platforms too? Has his real name ever been revealed?

Posted by Tempest on April 15, 1997 at 09:26:47 PDT
in reply to Steranko search (127), posted by batroc on April 13, 1997 at 11:28:25 PST

Don't hold me to this..I'll research this further...but I think he died some time ago. Perhaps even a couple of decades ago. That's why you don't see any Steranko work past the 60's or early 70's. Again, I could be wrong. I'll get back to you.
TEMPEST

Posted by Arcade on April 15, 1997 at 10:09:22 PDT
in reply to Re: A Captain America story I wrote to Wizard a few years ago... (142), posted by Tempest on April 15, 1997 at 09:23:11 PDT

> Coooooooool. Doesn't he wear platforms too? Has his real name ever been revealed?

Sad to say, he probably DID wear platforms (he was the greatest Marvel creation of the '70s, you know...uh-oh, I'll get heat for that)

And no, I don't think his name has ever been revealed, just that he was the son of a wealthy guy who Arcade offed to get all the $$$ to start up Murderworld and the assassin thing.

Posted by komodo on April 15, 1997 at 14:06:18 PDT
in reply to CAPTAIN AMERICA VS BATMAN (64), posted by VICTOR on April 06, 1997 at 12:15:04 PST

> WHO would really win a battle between these two if it took place in the city and both combatants were prepared even though cap is physically stronger and faster , BATMAN is more cerebral and cunning so I would give the match to BATMAN brains over brawn even though CAPTAIN AMERICA is no dummy.

Ha! Batman is very cunning, but not enough. Cap faces traps all the time. He would know all of them by now. He is physically superior, better trained, and he never gives up. Bats is good but mon capitain is better.

Posted by Clay on April 15, 1997 at 16:10:53 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap. the greatest of all time? (101), posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 09, 1997 at 18:15:32 PST

> > If we didn't think so, would we be here? To borrow a much-cliched line, "Captain America is the best there ever was and the best there ever will be!" No disrespect to Batman, but if a vote was taken based on honest, sensible opinion and not popularity, Captain America would have won the Amalgam fight! Anyway, Hail Cap!

> Also Cap fights for his country!! Not because someone killed his parents!! Not because someone killed his best friend!! His fight has nothing to do about vengeance whatsoever!! Cap does it because he wants to!! If nothing tragic happened to Bruce Wayne or Peter Parker,I doubt that they'd do anything to help people out except maybe give some of their bucks to charity!! Hail Cap!!!

> Cya
> The Plaid Goblin

Hey, hey, hey! Talk down about ol' Brucie boy all ya like
but when ya bring Petey into the fray, I'll have to thrash
ya...so don't down talk him! I like Captain America, no doubt,
but Spider-Man was the first hero I was introduced to, and he's
still my fav.Besides responsibility is his middle name!

Posted by David Medinnus on April 15, 1997 at 16:29:07 PDT
in reply to Steranko search (127), posted by batroc on April 13, 1997 at 11:28:25 PST

>
> This message board is fantastic. I've been reading about alot
> of you talking about writers. Whatever happened to Jim Steranko?
> It would be great to see him plot and draw Cap one more time.
> Does anyone remember the classic storyline from issue #110?
> What has this guy been doing the last couple of years?

Steranko did some SF/Fantasy book covers, and an incredible amount of "The Shadow" book series covers (recently re-released as trading cards in one of the Steranko sets).

He also became a publisher of Prevue magazine (http://www.prevue.net/).

He also did some female semi-nude comic-theme artwork, which has been collected here:

http://www.sigma.net/fafhrd/steranko/nudebabe.htm

Umm...thats all I know, I think. Regarding this, anyway.

-DM

• Star-Spangled Site

Posted by David Medinnus on April 15, 1997 at 16:33:11 PDT
in reply to Whatever Happened to Diamondback? (109), posted by Hobgoblin on April 10, 1997 at 15:03:30 PST

> I liked her. What happened to her?

She sold herself to Superia (SP?) for a year in exchange for a cure for Cap's pre-HR degenerative condition; she showed up undercover in the Siren miniseries trying to bust Taskmaster. I haven't heard of any subsequent appearances.

I found her much more interesting than most of Cap's last romances; I hope Mark Waid brings her back.

-DM

• Star Spangled Site

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 15, 1997 at 19:18:51 PDT

Hey, I'm #900!! Do I get a prize or something?!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!

Posted by Justice on April 15, 1997 at 19:49:09 PDT
in reply to Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (141), posted by Rob on April 15, 1997 at 08:18:46 PDT

>
> > Remember Cap's ragtag group of cohorts who hung out with him for awhile? The group basically consisted of Nomad, Vagabond, Falcon, Demolition Man, and Diamondback. I wouldn't mind seeing them (with the expecption of Nomad, who never impressed me) return, possibly with the addition of Free Spirit. Not necessarily permanently, just in an occassional guest role. Maybe even just for one story. But I think it would be so cool to see Waid and Garney work on them. Others I want to see Waid and Garney work on include the Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Quasar, Spitfire (who was rejuvenated, remember), and Union Jack. I think the Cap Dream team could make all of these characters alot of fun.

> What about Cap's old non-powered supporting cast? I wonder what ever happened to Josh Cooper, Anna Kapplebaum, Mike Farrel, Bernie Rosenthal (although she's appeared more than the rest in recent years, I think), Leila (Falcon's girlfriend), La Contessa Valentina Allegro de Fontaine (or Val for short, of SHIELD), Peggy Carter & Gabe Jones (of SHIELD), that Police Commisioner Cap worked for, that gang-boss Morgan, Cap's boyhood pal Arnie, etc. Maybe someone can tell me what ultimately happened to some of these non-powered characters. (Hopefully they didn't obtain powers, become evil, & get killed off...)

> I'd very much like to see The Falcon return as an occasional partner for Cap. Also liked Free Spirit. Don't care for D-Man at all. I notice that the recent Marvel Fanfare #1 says, on the cover, that the story is the final time Cap & Falc will team-up... Is that serious??

Well, many of these characters are before my time, even. If you know about Free Spirirt, than you must have seen Arnie Roth, Cap's boyhood friend in the issues she appeared in. He died shortly before Mark Grunwald left the book. I believe Mike Farrell became a member of the Watchdogs. The Contessa appeared in the last issue of Cap (HR # 7), and appeared in a few of the Punisher issues (latest series) featuring S.H.I.E.L.D., as well as the whole Double Edge crossover and aftermath in which Nick Fury died. I haven't seen Peggy in a while. Other than that I don't know. My interpretation of the Marvel Fanfare cover was that it meant before they "died" in Onslaught Marvel Universe. Of course they have already teamed up again in HR issues of Cap.

Posted by Justice on April 15, 1997 at 19:53:59 PDT
in reply to Re: Whatever Happened to Diamondback? (148), posted by David Medinnus on April 15, 1997 at 16:33:11 PDT

> > I liked her. What happened to her?

> She sold herself to Superia (SP?) for a year in exchange for a cure for Cap's pre-HR degenerative condition; she showed up undercover in the Siren miniseries trying to bust Taskmaster. I haven't heard of any subsequent appearances.

> I found her much more interesting than most of Cap's last romances; I hope Mark Waid brings her back.

> -DM

Right. I forgot that she was in the Siren miniseries

Posted by Justice on April 15, 1997 at 19:57:01 PDT
in reply to Oh, yead, forgot about that! (151), posted by Justice on April 15, 1997 at 19:53:59 PDT

> > > I liked her. What happened to her?

> > She sold herself to Superia (SP?) for a year in exchange for a cure for Cap's pre-HR degenerative condition; she showed up undercover in the Siren miniseries trying to bust Taskmaster. I haven't heard of any subsequent appearances.

> > I found her much more interesting than most of Cap's last romances; I hope Mark Waid brings her back.

> > -DM

> Right. I forgot that she was in the Siren miniseries

I know everyone knows that, but I feel like I have to correct myself.

Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 16, 1997 at 10:20:41 PDT
in reply to Oh, yead, forgot about that! (151), posted by Justice on April 15, 1997 at 19:53:59 PDT

> > > I liked her. What happened to her?

> > She sold herself to Superia (SP?) for a year in exchange for a cure for Cap's pre-HR degenerative condition; she showed up undercover in the Siren miniseries trying to bust Taskmaster. I haven't heard of any subsequent appearances.

> > I found her much more interesting than most of Cap's last romances; I hope Mark Waid brings her back.

> > -DM

> Right. I forgot that she was in the Siren miniseries

Who's Siren, or Superia, for that matter?

A long CAP-abstaining C.C.

Posted by Rob on April 16, 1997 at 10:26:01 PDT
in reply to Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (150), posted by Justice on April 15, 1997 at 19:49:09 PDT

> Well, many of these characters are before my time, even. If you know about Free Spirirt, than you must have seen Arnie Roth, Cap's boyhood friend in the issues she appeared in. He died shortly before Mark Grunwald left the book. I believe Mike Farrell became a member of the Watchdogs. The Contessa appeared in the last issue of Cap (HR # 7), and appeared in a few of the Punisher issues (latest series) featuring S.H.I.E.L.D., as well as the whole Double Edge crossover and aftermath in which Nick Fury died. I haven't seen Peggy in a while. Other than that I don't know. My interpretation of the Marvel Fanfare cover was that it meant before they "died" in Onslaught Marvel Universe. Of course they have already teamed up again in HR issues of Cap.

Thanks for the update. I recently got a pile of Caps from 1989-1992 and have begun reading them straight through, so I'm still only up to 1989, altho I've flipped through some of the later ones in the pile. I have yet to try any of the HR issues. I did not know that Nick Fury died! Is he still dead??

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 16, 1997 at 15:45:23 PDT

Noooooo!!! Get off of him you bastard!!! Get off of hiiiiiiimmmm!!!! Bring Back Modok!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

• http://www.sigma.net/burch/modok/cap_am313.jpg

Posted by Steven Gregor on April 16, 1997 at 16:14:10 PDT

To Spider-man

My name is Steven Gregor.But my mum calls me spider-boy because i

am such a big fan.And i even made a spidey collage and turned my

room into a spidey zone by drawing a big picture of you and

putting it on my door.Then i got about 20 pictures of you and

and putting them all over my room.Anyway the reason i rote to

you is because i have a big space in my spidey zone and nothing

to fill it in with,ah and i was wondering if i could have a

poster of you to fill in the space.My e-mail address is this,
andrew.g@xtra.co.nz .Thank you.
From Steven Gregor.

p.s. I suppose youll need my address to send me a poster so here
it is 431 Sawyers Arms road Newzealand,Christchurch 5.And please
write back as soon as you can.Thank you.

Posted by Joseph Tomasello on April 17, 1997 at 00:53:21 PDT

Original rare Captain America art from the artists own collection will
be auctioned to raise money for his granddaughters school, on Thursday
May 1

Contact Bob Dandrews at the Rudolph Steiner School NY NY for more info
212 535 2130

tell him Joseph told you

Posted by Spider-Man on April 17, 1997 at 09:12:38 PDT
in reply to I am a big fan (156), posted by Steven Gregor on April 16, 1997 at 16:14:10 PDT

> To Spider-man

> My name is Steven Gregor.But my mum calls me spider-boy because i

> am such a big fan.And i even made a spidey collage and turned my

> room into a spidey zone by drawing a big picture of you and

> putting it on my door.Then i got about 20 pictures of you and

> and putting them all over my room.Anyway the reason i rote to

> you is because i have a big space in my spidey zone and nothing

> to fill it in with,ah and i was wondering if i could have a

> poster of you to fill in the space.My e-mail address is this,
> andrew.g@xtra.co.nz .Thank you.
> From Steven Gregor.

> p.s. I suppose youll need my address to send me a poster so here
> it is 431 Sawyers Arms road Newzealand,Christchurch 5.And please
> write back as soon as you can.Thank you.

Hiya, Steven!!
Can you wait about a month or so for that poster?...I'm really busy right now, with all the stuff that's been going on in New York lately!
I'll get that poster to you around the first or second week of May...
Heck, who knows, maybe I can dig out some old comics my Friendly Neighborhood pals at Marvel sent me a while back!! They may be kind of older ones, though!!!
I hope you'll like 'em!
Oh, and just in case you wanna try to get more directly in touch with me, you might wanna write me...since I can't give out my own e-address (I'm a super-hero!!!), you can write the folks at Marvel, and I'm sure they'll get in touch with me. The address is this:

mailmarvel@aol.com

And check out their web page, they have some cool pictures of me:

www.marvelonline.com

This place also has some cool web pages of me, under "Links":

comics.envisionww.com

Hope you like 'em, and I'll get that poster to you as soon as I can!!!

Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man

Posted by Tempest on April 17, 1997 at 10:16:36 PDT
in reply to Steranko search (127), posted by batroc on April 13, 1997 at 11:28:25 PST

OOOOOPS!...IF YOU READ MY OTHER REPLY TO YOUR MESSAGE, SORRY! I WAS WAY OFF BASE. ACTUALLY, IT WAS ANOTHER MARVEL ARTIST WHO DIED..NOT STERANKO. SORRY!

TEMPEST

Posted by Captain America on April 17, 1997 at 10:34:26 PDT
in reply to I am a big fan (156), posted by Steven Gregor on April 16, 1997 at 16:14:10 PDT

> To Spider-man

> My name is Steven Gregor.But my mum calls me spider-boy because i

> am such a big fan.And i even made a spidey collage and turned my

> room into a spidey zone by drawing a big picture of you and

> putting it on my door.Then i got about 20 pictures of you and

> and putting them all over my room.Anyway the reason i rote to

> you is because i have a big space in my spidey zone and nothing

> to fill it in with,ah and i was wondering if i could have a

> poster of you to fill in the space.My e-mail address is this,
> andrew.g@xtra.co.nz .Thank you.
> From Steven Gregor.

> p.s. I suppose youll need my address to send me a poster so here
> it is 431 Sawyers Arms road Newzealand,Christchurch 5.And please
> write back as soon as you can.Thank you.

Steven:

No offense meant (and I see that Spider-Man has already answered you personally), but this bulletin board is set aside for discussion regarding me, Captain America. Now, I'll be happy to talk to you about my impressions of Spider-Man the few times we have had the opportunity to work together, but right now I'm busy in another universe trying to find my back to reality (and better anatomy!). Seriously, though, thanks for posting here, just remember that Spidey has places all over the web where discussion about him and his appearances is more on topic. Okay?

Fightin' for freedom and keepin' the faith,

Captain America

Posted by Winghead on April 17, 1997 at 11:03:52 PDT
in reply to Re: Hey,Alvaro!!! (18), posted by Alvaro on April 02, 1997 at 08:25:11 PST

> > You should change the logo,the way Cap stands looks weird!! Maybe you should get a picture of Liefelds or something like that!Zwahahahaah!! But seriously that picture of Cap looks weird you should get a different one!

> Hmmm. It does look kinda weird, doesn't it?
> Maybe I should change it.
> What do you think about the logo David gave me?

> Alvaro

Can't exactly tell through the digitizing, but the Cap picture looks like a Steranko classic. The logo you're using is IMHO the BEST of the Cap logos. First used on the Byrne issues?

Posted by winghead on April 17, 1997 at 11:16:27 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America Movie update. (38), posted by Thomas Chamberlain on April 03, 1997 at 11:32:55 PST

> Ummm, wasn't there already a Captain America Movie?

> Tom

Of sorts . . . Have you seen it? (The Italian Red Skull, etc.) I first saw it advertised on a "Coming Attractions" listing in my local movie theatre lobby. I waited for months and even saw a poster advertising it at one point, but it finally went straight to video. Fun for Capfans, but really pretty lame.

Posted by Spider-Man on April 17, 1997 at 12:38:14 PDT
in reply to Re: I am a big fan (160), posted by Captain America on April 17, 1997 at 10:34:26 PDT

> > To Spider-man

> > My name is Steven Gregor.But my mum calls me spider-boy because i

> > am such a big fan.And i even made a spidey collage and turned my

> > room into a spidey zone by drawing a big picture of you and

> > putting it on my door.Then i got about 20 pictures of you and

> > and putting them all over my room.Anyway the reason i rote to

> > you is because i have a big space in my spidey zone and nothing

> > to fill it in with,ah and i was wondering if i could have a

> > poster of you to fill in the space.My e-mail address is this,
> > andrew.g@xtra.co.nz .Thank you.
> > From Steven Gregor.

> > p.s. I suppose youll need my address to send me a poster so here
> > it is 431 Sawyers Arms road Newzealand,Christchurch 5.And please
> > write back as soon as you can.Thank you.

> Steven:

> No offense meant (and I see that Spider-Man has already answered you personally), but this bulletin board is set aside for discussion regarding me, Captain America. Now, I'll be happy to talk to you about my impressions of Spider-Man the few times we have had the opportunity to work together, but right now I'm busy in another universe trying to find my back to reality (and better anatomy!). Seriously, though, thanks for posting here, just remember that Spidey has places all over the web where discussion about him and his appearances is more on topic. Okay?

> Fightin' for freedom and keepin' the faith,

> Captain America

Ahhh...what's the difference, Cap?
We're all super-heroes - - and he wanted to talk to me...
Send him a poster of you, maybe then he'll start a "CAP ZONE"!!!!

Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man

Posted by Captain America on April 17, 1997 at 13:43:18 PDT
in reply to Re: I am a big fan (163), posted by Spider-Man on April 17, 1997 at 12:38:14 PDT

> > No offense meant (and I see that Spider-Man has already answered you personally), but this bulletin board is set aside for discussion regarding me, Captain America. Now, I'll be happy to talk to you about my impressions of Spider-Man the few times we have had the opportunity to work together, but right now I'm busy in another universe trying to find my back to reality (and better anatomy!). Seriously, though, thanks for posting here, just remember that Spidey has places all over the web where discussion about him and his appearances is more on topic. Okay?

> > Fightin' for freedom and keepin' the faith,

> > Captain America

> Ahhh...what's the difference, Cap?
> We're all super-heroes - - and he wanted to talk to me...
> Send him a poster of you, maybe then he'll start a "CAP ZONE"!!!!

> Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man

Well, Spider-Man, the difference is that some of us get more hype than others and end up having 2 million mags and a TV show, while others of us get shifted off to a whole 'nuther universe where we are drawn badly and where the stories are even worse. Those of us stuck in bad universes need all the good space we can get and really don't like sharing it with others who have more than enough space to go around. No, I don't mind talking with our friend about you or our adventures together, but I do think that most folks tune in to this board to find posts about me, not about their favorite wall crawler. Hey, Alvaro even set up a space for you so that you can receive all the fan mail you need/want. All I'm asking is that my space be used for it's main purpose, questions and comments about me, Captain America!

With warmest regards,

Captain America

P.S.--Thanks to you and the others for watching after New York while some of us are stuck here in bad anatomy land! Keep up the good work! Hopefully in a few short months, we'll be right back there with you and we can round up some bad guys together. What do you say? Oh, and by the way, sorry for sounding a little jealous up there, I just haven't been the same since I was drawn by Rob Liefeld. I haven't been myself lately!

Posted by Spider-Man on April 17, 1997 at 16:25:26 PDT
in reply to Re: I am a big fan (164), posted by Captain America on April 17, 1997 at 13:43:18 PDT

>
> > > No offense meant (and I see that Spider-Man has already answered you personally), but this bulletin board is set aside for discussion regarding me, Captain America. Now, I'll be happy to talk to you about my impressions of Spider-Man the few times we have had the opportunity to work together, but right now I'm busy in another universe trying to find my back to reality (and better anatomy!). Seriously, though, thanks for posting here, just remember that Spidey has places all over the web where discussion about him and his appearances is more on topic. Okay?

> > > Fightin' for freedom and keepin' the faith,

> > > Captain America

> > Ahhh...what's the difference, Cap?
> > We're all super-heroes - - and he wanted to talk to me...
> > Send him a poster of you, maybe then he'll start a "CAP ZONE"!!!!

> > Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man

> Well, Spider-Man, the difference is that some of us get more hype than others and end up having 2 million mags and a TV show, while others of us get shifted off to a whole 'nuther universe where we are drawn badly and where the stories are even worse. Those of us stuck in bad universes need all the good space we can get and really don't like sharing it with others who have more than enough space to go around. No, I don't mind talking with our friend about you or our adventures together, but I do think that most folks tune in to this board to find posts about me, not about their favorite wall crawler. Hey, Alvaro even set up a space for you so that you can receive all the fan mail you need/want. All I'm asking is that my space be used for it's main purpose, questions and comments about me, Captain America!

> With warmest regards,

> Captain America

> P.S.--Thanks to you and the others for watching after New York while some of us are stuck here in bad anatomy land! Keep up the good work! Hopefully in a few short months, we'll be right back there with you and we can round up some bad guys together. What do you say? Oh, and by the way, sorry for sounding a little jealous up there, I just haven't been the same since I was drawn by Rob Liefeld. I haven't been myself lately!

That's OK, Cap.
I mean, we all have our bad days...mention the name Ben Reilly these days and everyone seems to think you're evil.
I personally didn't think Ben was that bad...'cept for the fact that he looked like me, he wasn't a bad guy.

C.C.

Posted by Justice on April 17, 1997 at 20:01:29 PDT
in reply to Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (154), posted by Rob on April 16, 1997 at 10:26:01 PDT

>
> > Well, many of these characters are before my time, even. If you know about Free Spirirt, than you must have seen Arnie Roth, Cap's boyhood friend in the issues she appeared in. He died shortly before Mark Grunwald left the book. I believe Mike Farrell became a member of the Watchdogs. The Contessa appeared in the last issue of Cap (HR # 7), and appeared in a few of the Punisher issues (latest series) featuring S.H.I.E.L.D., as well as the whole Double Edge crossover and aftermath in which Nick Fury died. I haven't seen Peggy in a while. Other than that I don't know. My interpretation of the Marvel Fanfare cover was that it meant before they "died" in Onslaught Marvel Universe. Of course they have already teamed up again in HR issues of Cap.

>
> Thanks for the update. I recently got a pile of Caps from 1989-1992 and have begun reading them straight through, so I'm still only up to 1989, altho I've flipped through some of the later ones in the pile. I have yet to try any of the HR issues. I did not know that Nick Fury died! Is he still dead??

Well, he is alive in the Heroes Reborn titles, and speculation is that the HR version will return to the MU after HR is over. Technically though, he is still dead in the MU. This seemed like it was going to be changed though, since someone blew up his grave, and no remains were found. There was also another clue that he wasn't really dead, but I forget what it was. The Punisher killed Fury in an insane stupor, after Doc Samson injected Punisher with drugs to help him, which were sabotaged by Spook to make Punisher think that Fury killed his family, thus enraging Castle to the point where he killed Fury. Like I said, he may return, though after HR.

Posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 17, 1997 at 20:05:46 PDT
in reply to Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (166), posted by Justice on April 17, 1997 at 20:01:29 PDT

> >
> > > Well, many of these characters are before my time, even. If you know about Free Spirirt, than you must have seen Arnie Roth, Cap's boyhood friend in the issues she appeared in. He died shortly before Mark Grunwald left the book. I believe Mike Farrell became a member of the Watchdogs. The Contessa appeared in the last issue of Cap (HR # 7), and appeared in a few of the Punisher issues (latest series) featuring S.H.I.E.L.D., as well as the whole Double Edge crossover and aftermath in which Nick Fury died. I haven't seen Peggy in a while. Other than that I don't know. My interpretation of the Marvel Fanfare cover was that it meant before they "died" in Onslaught Marvel Universe. Of course they have already teamed up again in HR issues of Cap.

> >
> > Thanks for the update. I recently got a pile of Caps from 1989-1992 and have begun reading them straight through, so I'm still only up to 1989, altho I've flipped through some of the later ones in the pile. I have yet to try any of the HR issues. I did not know that Nick Fury died! Is he still dead??

> Well, he is alive in the Heroes Reborn titles, and speculation is that the HR version will return to the MU after HR is over. Technically though, he is still dead in the MU. This seemed like it was going to be changed though, since someone blew up his grave, and no remains were found. There was also another clue that he wasn't really dead, but I forget what it was. The Punisher killed Fury in an insane stupor, after Doc Samson injected Punisher with drugs to help him, which were sabotaged by Spook to make Punisher think that Fury killed his family, thus enraging Castle to the point where he killed Fury. Like I said, he may return, though after HR.

The other proof you were talking about was Wolverine!! He could smell if that was the real Fury or not!! So that means that ain't no LMD that the Punisher offed!!!

Cya
The Plaid Goblin

Posted by Venom on April 18, 1997 at 08:06:39 PDT

Unless I missread it I"m 1050. Well I just like to say that the Captain America animated series is in development and will be out by the 98-99 season.

--Venom--

Posted by Tempest on April 18, 1997 at 09:38:03 PDT

Does anybody remember that hokey storyline which supposedly explained why Captain America was found in a block of ice in the North Sea? It involved a Nazi agent named Lyle Dekker who posed as a special effects artist for Democracy Pictures. They were making Captain America serial adventures, which Dekker was trying to sabotage as an agent of the Red Skull. I was just curious whether the explanation posed as part of this storyline still stood.

Posted by Rob on April 18, 1997 at 10:23:37 PDT
in reply to Lyle Dekker Storyline w/ the Ameridroid (169), posted by Tempest on April 18, 1997 at 09:38:03 PDT

> Does anybody remember that hokey storyline which supposedly explained why Captain America was found in a block of ice in the North Sea? It involved a Nazi agent named Lyle Dekker who posed as a special effects artist for Democracy Pictures. They were making Captain America serial adventures, which Dekker was trying to sabotage as an agent of the Red Skull. I was just curious whether the explanation posed as part of this storyline still stood.

They'll have to explain why Cap mentioned Newfoundland in Avengers #4 all over again, if the Dekker explanation doesn't still stand. #220 was a bit hokey, I suppose, but the issue before that, the one about the movie serial (#219) is pretty good, in my opinion.

Posted by David Medinnus on April 18, 1997 at 10:35:11 PDT
in reply to Re: Oh, yead, forgot about that! (153), posted by Cheshire Cat on April 16, 1997 at 10:20:41 PDT

> Who's Siren, or Superia, for that matter?

Siren is a semi-hero from the UltraVerse (RIP), and Superia is the man-hating Marvel Universe answer to female superiority.

-DM

Posted by Malhavok on April 18, 1997 at 11:59:50 PDT

I've been thinking about this for a while, and asides from the point
that many people have been slamming old Robby left and right I looked
over all my HR comics and decided what I didn't like about them.

Then it came to me ....

Plot, or lack thereof.

Rob's artistic talents aside his work with Jeff Loeb on the plot for
Cap and Avengers was well, frankly pathetic. (More so in the case of
Cap than in the case of the Avengers... the "industrial revolution" part
was a cool way to see all these heroes interact with each other).

Rob is a pretty decent artist, and if you look at some of the books you
can see his "classic' Liefield-isms diminish slowly over time, almost
as if he was aware that most people didn't think that Cap should have
breasts or that the Enchantress's legs should be three and a half times
longer than her torso. I do think that he over accentuates "bulk" on most of his characters, especially ones that he makes up. (Compare Thor
in Avengers #7 with the "Executioner"... and to think it was Wonderman
who actually sucker punched Thor...) Basically, the art I can live with
especially the art in the last couple issues, however the story... I
just can't. I felt like I was being ripped off on Cap, the panels were
too big, there wasn't enough dialogue and the plot was too thin. Things
were rushed to a conclusion in 3 books when at the rate of the dialogue
it should have taken atleast 6 to explain the situation, and another 3
just to resolve it. The only thing that was right on was a few of the
patriotic speaches ol' Cap gave to the baddies. Dead center. Everything
else was pretty much crap.

After reading Cap #7, there was a lot of words in it. I was happy. The
art was good. There were no overly giagantic bulging biceps, very few poses with people having their arms either spread in a 'v' above their
head (usually jumping through the air) or standing askew at their sides (sometimes also flying through the air, as when Cap hits Master man in
issue #5, wowie!). In general it was good. Finally.

I really tried to give Mr. Liefield a chance, being as I wasn't predisposed to hating him right off the bat, and although I can
see some of his failings I don't think he's the anti-christ or anything
like that, but then again I don't see him as being very talented either.

So I guess it's a moot point.

Here's waiting for Cap #8.

M.

Posted by Beyond Comics on April 18, 1997 at 13:37:54 PDT

I have a customer who is searching for obscure Captain America merchandise. Pins, posters, shirts, toys, lunch boxes, etc. Cap only or appearing.

Please email mail me if you know of anything available.

Posted by Tempest on April 18, 1997 at 13:57:00 PDT
in reply to Re: Lyle Dekker Storyline w/ the Ameridroid (170), posted by Rob on April 18, 1997 at 10:23:37 PDT

> They'll have to explain why Cap mentioned Newfoundland in Avengers #4 all over again, if the Dekker explanation doesn't still stand. #220 was a bit hokey, I suppose, but the issue before that, the one about the movie serial (#219) is pretty good, in my opinion.

That they would. I agree, #219 was pretty fun reading, though a bit hokey according to today's standards. But I'm sure we'll be saying the same thing one day about today's stuff. I'm having real fun though, overall, reading the backissue run. Sometimes it makes you yearn for the old days. **sniff**

Posted by Justice on April 18, 1997 at 15:02:29 PDT
in reply to Re: Some characters I'd like to see return to the pages of Cap after HR. Whadda you all think? (167), posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 17, 1997 at 20:05:46 PDT

> > >
> > > > Well, many of these characters are before my time, even. If you know about Free Spirirt, than you must have seen Arnie Roth, Cap's boyhood friend in the issues she appeared in. He died shortly before Mark Grunwald left the book. I believe Mike Farrell became a member of the Watchdogs. The Contessa appeared in the last issue of Cap (HR # 7), and appeared in a few of the Punisher issues (latest series) featuring S.H.I.E.L.D., as well as the whole Double Edge crossover and aftermath in which Nick Fury died. I haven't seen Peggy in a while. Other than that I don't know. My interpretation of the Marvel Fanfare cover was that it meant before they "died" in Onslaught Marvel Universe. Of course they have already teamed up again in HR issues of Cap.

> > >
> > > Thanks for the update. I recently got a pile of Caps from 1989-1992 and have begun reading them straight through, so I'm still only up to 1989, altho I've flipped through some of the later ones in the pile. I have yet to try any of the HR issues. I did not know that Nick Fury died! Is he still dead??

> > Well, he is alive in the Heroes Reborn titles, and speculation is that the HR version will return to the MU after HR is over. Technically though, he is still dead in the MU. This seemed like it was going to be changed though, since someone blew up his grave, and no remains were found. There was also another clue that he wasn't really dead, but I forget what it was. The Punisher killed Fury in an insane stupor, after Doc Samson injected Punisher with drugs to help him, which were sabotaged by Spook to make Punisher think that Fury killed his family, thus enraging Castle to the point where he killed Fury. Like I said, he may return, though after HR.

> The other proof you were talking about was Wolverine!! He could smell if that was the real Fury or not!! So that means that ain't no LMD that the Punisher offed!!!

> Cya
> The Plaid Goblin

No, I was talking about other evidence that Fury WASN'T dead. There was the fact that the body disappeared, and then there was something else that I can't remember.

Posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 18, 1997 at 18:08:47 PDT

Hey!!!! I'm #1100!!! I better get a prize or I'll kill everyone on this board by reaching in through the monitor and strangling you all!!!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!

Posted by matt on April 18, 1997 at 21:13:52 PDT
in reply to Re: Which Cap. Storyline is the best ever? (135), posted by Rob on April 14, 1997 at 12:18:21 PST

Some of my favorite stories include:
The entire 332-350 run
(anticipating Knightfall by years and doing it better, IMHO)
The Kirby issues around 200
The recent Waid/Garney stuff
Steranko's stuff
issue 327 - actually the issue that got me *heavily* into Cap as a juvenile delinquent
I thought the issue of Infinity Gauntlet where Cap stands up to Thanos even though he is bound to lose is one of the best Cap "sequences" of all-time. (TAN: Cap and the Surfer, talk
I bet there's more, but that's all I can think of right now.
> And...
> CAP'S BICENTENNIAL BATTLES (1976) by Kirby... has great art & great ideas with Cap visiting various phases of America.
Argh! I don't have this!
How difficult is it to find?

Posted by Rob on April 19, 1997 at 11:18:41 PDT
in reply to Re: Which Cap. Storyline is the best ever? (177), posted by matt on April 18, 1997 at 21:13:52 PDT

> Some of my favorite stories include:
> The entire 332-350 run
> (anticipating Knightfall by years and doing it better, IMHO)

Actually, it was around this point in the book's history that I stopped reading Cap for good. To each his own. I remember someone sent me a copy of #350 when it came out and I railed against the art, what I saw as poor depictions of Cap. But I've been reading some issues of the Bloodstone Saga, a few issues after that, and have been blown away by how good it was. The artist who drew that also drew #350 and had improved by leaps & bounds.

> The Kirby issues around 200

Yeah, I like some of those. The Rollerball one (#196) is fun. #193 is probably my favorite of the Kirby issues.

> The recent Waid/Garney stuff

I've only read their first two issues and wasn't too impressed. Garney's art looked good occasionally, but some of it I didn't like, such as how Sharon Carter was depicted, ignoring how she had looked previously.
But I appear to be in the minority on this, judging from what I've read.

> > And...
> > CAP'S BICENTENNIAL BATTLES (1976) by Kirby... has great art & great ideas with Cap visiting various phases of America.
> Argh! I don't have this!
> How difficult is it to find?

Don't know really... I bought mine around fifteen years ago. I've noticed that books that don't fit the usual format like oversized books and digests seem harder to find... maybe comics shop owners aren't quite sure where to put them. Probably depends on the shop. I've seen oversized books at shops and conventions before, though not specifically the Kirby book that I remember.

Posted by Kyle Maskewich on April 19, 1997 at 11:25:26 PDT
in reply to Rare Original Captain America Art (157), posted by Joseph Tomasello on April 17, 1997 at 00:53:21 PDT

>
> Original rare Captain America art from the artists own collection will
> be auctioned to raise money for his granddaughters school, on Thursday
> May 1

> Contact Bob Dandrews at the Rudolph Steiner School NY NY for more info
> 212 535 2130

> tell him Joseph told you

Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 19, 1997 at 12:14:23 PDT
in reply to Rob Liefield and HR. (172), posted by Malhavok on April 18, 1997 at 11:59:50 PDT

> I've been thinking about this for a while, and asides from the point
> that many people have been slamming old Robby left and right I looked
> over all my HR comics and decided what I didn't like about them.

> Then it came to me ....

> Plot, or lack thereof.

> Rob's artistic talents aside his work with Jeff Loeb on the plot for
> Cap and Avengers was well, frankly pathetic. (More so in the case of
> Cap than in the case of the Avengers... the "industrial revolution" part
> was a cool way to see all these heroes interact with each other).

> Rob is a pretty decent artist, and if you look at some of the books you
> can see his "classic' Liefield-isms diminish slowly over time, almost
> as if he was aware that most people didn't think that Cap should have
> breasts or that the Enchantress's legs should be three and a half times
> longer than her torso. I do think that he over accentuates "bulk" on most of his characters, especially ones that he makes up. (Compare Thor
> in Avengers #7 with the "Executioner"... and to think it was Wonderman
> who actually sucker punched Thor...) Basically, the art I can live with
> especially the art in the last couple issues, however the story... I
> just can't. I felt like I was being ripped off on Cap, the panels were
> too big, there wasn't enough dialogue and the plot was too thin. Things
> were rushed to a conclusion in 3 books when at the rate of the dialogue
> it should have taken atleast 6 to explain the situation, and another 3
> just to resolve it. The only thing that was right on was a few of the
> patriotic speaches ol' Cap gave to the baddies. Dead center. Everything
> else was pretty much crap.

> After reading Cap #7, there was a lot of words in it. I was happy. The
> art was good. There were no overly giagantic bulging biceps, very few poses with people having their arms either spread in a 'v' above their
> head (usually jumping through the air) or standing askew at their sides (sometimes also flying through the air, as when Cap hits Master man in
> issue #5, wowie!). In general it was good. Finally.

> I really tried to give Mr. Liefield a chance, being as I wasn't predisposed to hating him right off the bat, and although I can
> see some of his failings I don't think he's the anti-christ or anything
> like that, but then again I don't see him as being very talented either.

> So I guess it's a moot point.

> Here's waiting for Cap #8.

> M.

What else can one say?
Rob Liefeld deserves little place in comics, as far as I'm concerned.
Y'know, I almost feel sorry for Rob...I thought his work for DC's HAWK AND DOVE was actually pretty fair.
He's just gone downhill from there, though.
I think one of Rob's biggest flaws is his lack of attention to detail: Look at his early X-FORCE. Cable would have all these silly little things (weapons, possibly?) hanging all over him, such as the "X"s and the little gun-stock thingies on his back. Then, in the next panel, the "things" would be totally different. Then in the NEXT panel, the "things" would be back to the way they originally were.
Inconsistency is the result of his lack of attention to detail.
Then look in CAPTAIN AMERICA #6 (I think) - - look at the skulls on the Red Skull's costume (or Master Man's, for that matter) and watch the appearance of the skulls fluctuate throughout the comic.
Not to mention the fact that all of Rob's "generic" bad-guys look the same.
I can see this happening in one comic that he does...but all the foot soldiers look the same IN EVERY COMIC HE DOES!!
Look at the bad guys in his issues of X-FORCE. Little strips on their shoulders, with big, black "Petey Pup" circles around their eyes.
Look at the bad in CAPTAIN AMERICA. Little strips on their shoulders, with big, black "Petey Pup" circles around their eyes.
Look at the bad guys in YOUNGBLOOD. Little strips on their shoulders, with big, black "Petey Pup" circles around their eyes.
Look at Domino.
Look at Die-Hard.
Rob is EXTREMEly unoriginal.
Given the exact same tools, and the exact same amount of time as Rob, I could have drawn CAPTAIN AMERICA better!
REALLY!!
If HEROES REBORN HAD to happen (and I don't think it did) and Rob "loved" Cap so much (as he professed), he should've allowed someone else to draw the comics.
Just to be merciful.
But that's just me ranting...
Who cares what a silly little nobody like me has to say, huh?
*smile*

C.C.

Posted by David Medinnus on April 19, 1997 at 12:44:59 PDT
in reply to Hmmmm......I'm #....... (176), posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 18, 1997 at 18:08:47 PDT

> Hey!!!! I'm #1100!!! I better get a prize or I'll kill everyone on this board by reaching in through the monitor and strangling you all!!!!

How about if you just kill the "I'm #*" messages instead?

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 19, 1997 at 13:03:02 PDT
in reply to Re: Hmmmm......I'm #....... (181), posted by David Medinnus on April 19, 1997 at 12:44:59 PDT

> > Hey!!!! I'm #1100!!! I better get a prize or I'll kill everyone on this board by reaching in through the monitor and strangling you all!!!!
>
> How about if you just kill the "I'm #*" messages instead?

Naw, I like 'em!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 19, 1997 at 13:10:30 PDT
in reply to Re: Rob Liefield and HR. (180), posted by Cheshire Cat on April 19, 1997 at 12:14:23 PDT

> > I've been thinking about this for a while, and asides from the point
> > that many people have been slamming old Robby left and right I looked
> > over all my HR comics and decided what I didn't like about them.

> > Then it came to me ....

> > Plot, or lack thereof.

> > Rob's artistic talents aside his work with Jeff Loeb on the plot for
> > Cap and Avengers was well, frankly pathetic. (More so in the case of
> > Cap than in the case of the Avengers... the "industrial revolution" part
> > was a cool way to see all these heroes interact with each other).

> > Rob is a pretty decent artist, and if you look at some of the books you
> > can see his "classic' Liefield-isms diminish slowly over time, almost
> > as if he was aware that most people didn't think that Cap should have
> > breasts or that the Enchantress's legs should be three and a half times
> > longer than her torso. I do think that he over accentuates "bulk" on most of his characters, especially ones that he makes up. (Compare Thor
> > in Avengers #7 with the "Executioner"... and to think it was Wonderman
> > who actually sucker punched Thor...) Basically, the art I can live with
> > especially the art in the last couple issues, however the story... I
> > just can't. I felt like I was being ripped off on Cap, the panels were
> > too big, there wasn't enough dialogue and the plot was too thin. Things
> > were rushed to a conclusion in 3 books when at the rate of the dialogue
> > it should have taken atleast 6 to explain the situation, and another 3
> > just to resolve it. The only thing that was right on was a few of the
> > patriotic speaches ol' Cap gave to the baddies. Dead center. Everything
> > else was pretty much crap.

> > After reading Cap #7, there was a lot of words in it. I was happy. The
> > art was good. There were no overly giagantic bulging biceps, very few poses with people having their arms either spread in a 'v' above their
> > head (usually jumping through the air) or standing askew at their sides (sometimes also flying through the air, as when Cap hits Master man in
> > issue #5, wowie!). In general it was good. Finally.

> > I really tried to give Mr. Liefield a chance, being as I wasn't predisposed to hating him right off the bat, and although I can
> > see some of his failings I don't think he's the anti-christ or anything
> > like that, but then again I don't see him as being very talented either.

> > So I guess it's a moot point.

> > Here's waiting for Cap #8.

> > M.

> What else can one say?
> Rob Liefeld deserves little place in comics, as far as I'm concerned.
> Y'know, I almost feel sorry for Rob...I thought his work for DC's HAWK AND DOVE was actually pretty fair.
> He's just gone downhill from there, though.
> I think one of Rob's biggest flaws is his lack of attention to detail: Look at his early X-FORCE. Cable would have all these silly little things (weapons, possibly?) hanging all over him, such as the "X"s and the little gun-stock thingies on his back. Then, in the next panel, the "things" would be totally different. Then in the NEXT panel, the "things" would be back to the way they originally were.
> Inconsistency is the result of his lack of attention to detail.
> Then look in CAPTAIN AMERICA #6 (I think) - - look at the skulls on the Red Skull's costume (or Master Man's, for that matter) and watch the appearance of the skulls fluctuate throughout the comic.
> Not to mention the fact that all of Rob's "generic" bad-guys look the same.
> I can see this happening in one comic that he does...but all the foot soldiers look the same IN EVERY COMIC HE DOES!!
> Look at the bad guys in his issues of X-FORCE. Little strips on their shoulders, with big, black "Petey Pup" circles around their eyes.
> Look at the bad in CAPTAIN AMERICA. Little strips on their shoulders, with big, black "Petey Pup" circles around their eyes.
> Look at the bad guys in YOUNGBLOOD. Little strips on their shoulders, with big, black "Petey Pup" circles around their eyes.
> Look at Domino.
> Look at Die-Hard.
> Rob is EXTREMEly unoriginal.
> Given the exact same tools, and the exact same amount of time as Rob, I could have drawn CAPTAIN AMERICA better!
> REALLY!!
> If HEROES REBORN HAD to happen (and I don't think it did) and Rob "loved" Cap so much (as he professed), he should've allowed someone else to draw the comics.
> Just to be merciful.
> But that's just me ranting...
> Who cares what a silly little nobody like me has to say, huh?
> *smile*

> C.C.

I see your point! One panel Steve is wearing gloves then the next panel he isn't then the next panel they're back again! And that big nazi who hangs around Bucky's brother, he had a tatoo on the side of his head then in another issue the tatoo is gone!! Was it one of those fake tatoos you find in crackerjack boxes? All his characters look alike and all of their faces are so long that they start to look like horses!! It's horrible!!! I'm glad he's outta Cap and I'm sure I'm not the only one!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

Posted by Rob on April 19, 1997 at 21:27:37 PDT

Back in the 1970s, did Cap ever appear as Nomad with the Avengers?

Posted by Batroc on April 20, 1997 at 06:53:43 PDT
in reply to Cap Trivia Question (184), posted by Rob on April 19, 1997 at 21:27:37 PDT

»The Answer is...
> Back in the 1970s, did Cap ever appear as Nomad with the Avengers?
Yes, He appeared briefly around Avengers #130, promising to rejoin
the Assemblers when his Serpent Crown mission was over. Of course
this didn't happen until #141 and he was back in his tradional red
white, and blue.
Don't you need to give a prize for the correct responses?

Posted by NS on April 20, 1997 at 08:22:14 PDT
in reply to Re: Hmmmm......I'm #....... (181), posted by David Medinnus on April 19, 1997 at 12:44:59 PDT

> > Hey!!!! I'm #1100!!! I better get a prize or I'll kill everyone on this board by reaching in through the monitor and strangling you all!!!!
>
> How about if you just kill the "I'm #*" messages instead?

Couldn't agree with you more! Does anyone else find these # posts annoying? It's great that you visit the board so much Mr Goblin but can't you post something interesting or with a point?

Posted by Rob on April 20, 1997 at 08:29:05 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap Trivia Question (185), posted by Batroc on April 20, 1997 at 06:53:43 PDT

> »The Answer is...
> > Back in the 1970s, did Cap ever appear as Nomad with the Avengers?
> Yes, He appeared briefly around Avengers #130, promising to rejoin
> the Assemblers when his Serpent Crown mission was over. Of course
> this didn't happen until #141 and he was back in his tradional red
> white, and blue.
> Don't you need to give a prize for the correct responses?

Correct answer! (The specific issue was Avengers #131, by the way.)
Nope, no prize... just trying to alert Capfans to a noteworthy Cap-event that happened outside his own title. Wasn't sure if anyone would remember it!

Rob

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 20, 1997 at 09:19:13 PDT
in reply to Re: Hmmmm......I'm #....... (186), posted by NS on April 20, 1997 at 08:22:14 PDT

> > > Hey!!!! I'm #1100!!! I better get a prize or I'll kill everyone on this board by reaching in through the monitor and strangling you all!!!!
> >
> > How about if you just kill the "I'm #*" messages instead?

>
> Couldn't agree with you more! Does anyone else find these # posts annoying? It's great that you visit the board so much Mr Goblin but can't you post something interesting or with a point?

But take a look at the other boards, they all do this!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 20, 1997 at 09:29:22 PDT

I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!

Posted by NS on April 20, 1997 at 10:03:00 PDT
in reply to Re: Hmmmm......I'm #....... (188), posted by The Plaid Skull on April 20, 1997 at 09:19:13 PDT

> > > > Hey!!!! I'm #1100!!! I better get a prize or I'll kill everyone on this board by reaching in through the monitor and strangling you all!!!!
> > >
> > > How about if you just kill the "I'm #*" messages instead?

> >
> > Couldn't agree with you more! Does anyone else find these # posts annoying? It's great that you visit the board so much Mr Goblin but can't you post something interesting or with a point?

> But take a look at the other boards, they all do this!!

> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

If you look on other boards, you do this! Plus, sounding like my father, if someone jumped off a bridge you don't have too jump to.

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 20, 1997 at 10:39:50 PDT
in reply to Rob Liefield must be pissed!!! (189), posted by The Plaid Skull on April 20, 1997 at 09:29:22 PDT

> I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!!

>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!
Plaidy, I think that you give Robby way too much credit....it is possible that this is a spoof, but if you look at his past creations, none of his characters are the least bit original...They are are cheap ripoffs of established or popular characters. Rob can only be pissed at himself. He was given the golden key to comic royalty, before paying his dues or doing any real work to show his talent (or lack thereof). Instead of trying to learn how to write a story or draw correctly (at least with some discipline base), he became arrogant, obnoxious, disrespected the readers with the lack of quality or thought he put into his work, and started to believe the early and incorrect press that he was a pro. Hawk & Dove was nice to look at, but there was another artist helping....New Mutants was getting good (when Louise Simonson was writing).....X-Force was horrible from the start, but Liefeld was already riding a maniacal tidewave of ignorant investors and groupies. Liefeld brought this on himself and I have no doubt that his new work will be unstomachable too.

God...I Sound Kinda Mean....

Ned

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 20, 1997 at 11:03:58 PDT
in reply to Re: Hmmmm......I'm #....... (190), posted by NS on April 20, 1997 at 10:03:00 PDT

> > > > > Hey!!!! I'm #1100!!! I better get a prize or I'll kill everyone on this board by reaching in through the monitor and strangling you all!!!!
> > > >
> > > > How about if you just kill the "I'm #*" messages instead?

> > >
> > > Couldn't agree with you more! Does anyone else find these # posts annoying? It's great that you visit the board so much Mr Goblin but can't you post something interesting or with a point?

> > But take a look at the other boards, they all do this!!

> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

> > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

> If you look on other boards, you do this! Plus, sounding like my father, if someone jumped off a bridge you don't have too jump to.

Actually I'm the first one to jump off the bridge everybody jumped with me!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 20, 1997 at 13:01:37 PDT
in reply to Re: Rob Liefield must be pissed!!! (191), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 20, 1997 at 10:39:50 PDT

> > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!!

> >
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

> > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!
> Plaidy, I think that you give Robby way too much credit....it is possible that this is a spoof, but if you look at his past creations, none of his characters are the least bit original...They are are cheap ripoffs of established or popular characters. Rob can only be pissed at himself. He was given the golden key to comic royalty, before paying his dues or doing any real work to show his talent (or lack thereof). Instead of trying to learn how to write a story or draw correctly (at least with some discipline base), he became arrogant, obnoxious, disrespected the readers with the lack of quality or thought he put into his work, and started to believe the early and incorrect press that he was a pro. Hawk & Dove was nice to look at, but there was another artist helping....New Mutants was getting good (when Louise Simonson was writing).....X-Force was horrible from the start, but Liefeld was already riding a maniacal tidewave of ignorant investors and groupies. Liefeld brought this on himself and I have no doubt that his new work will be unstomachable too.

> God...I Sound Kinda Mean....

> Ned

Dang, Ned you are a cold one!!! BTW, I'm #1200!!! Do I get a.....well, you know what I'm gonna ask for!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!

Posted by Batroc on April 20, 1997 at 14:59:16 PDT
in reply to Re: Cap Trivia Question (187), posted by Rob on April 20, 1997 at 08:29:05 PDT

»
> > »The Answer is...
> > > Back in the 1970s, did Cap ever appear as Nomad with the Avengers?
> > Yes, He appeared briefly around Avengers #130, promising to rejoin
> > the Assemblers when his Serpent Crown mission was over. Of course
> > this didn't happen until #141 and he was back in his tradional red
> > white, and blue.
> > Don't you need to give a prize for the correct responses?
> Correct answer! (The specific issue was Avengers #131, by the way.)
> Nope, no prize... just trying to alert Capfans to a noteworthy Cap-event that happened outside his own title. Wasn't sure if anyone would remember it!
> Rob
Sorry I missed the question by an issue, I do remember the story
line had the Avengers in Vietnam. I got a half decent Cap
collection, 100-present, Avengers 50-present, and Tales of Suspense
58-99. I'd like to think that I am hard to stump. I'm going to
work on an obscure trivia question that may even get a Triv master
like yourself. Give me a few days to reference to the exact issue.
****Batroc

Posted by Roscoe on April 20, 1997 at 17:10:19 PDT
in reply to Rob Liefield must be pissed!!! (189), posted by The Plaid Skull on April 20, 1997 at 09:29:22 PDT

> I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!!

>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!

What I think happened is this: Liefield had pretty much already finished a bunch of stuff for Cap when he was kicked off. They had announced the PLatt issues long ago, and since comics always work a few months ahead, he was basically finished with his 12 issue run. Marvel suddenly got a brain, and ditched him, leaving him with 5 or so issues of completed material and nothing to do with them. So they just went back, doctored the costumes and edited the names, and wa-la, a whole new pile of crap is born. Dollars to donuts these issues are the exact issues we would have been getting as Cap if Marvel hadn't dropped him. It might make for an interesting footnote, if not an interesting story.

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 20, 1997 at 18:39:16 PDT
in reply to Re: Rob Liefield must be pissed!!! (193), posted by The Plaid Skull on April 20, 1997 at 13:01:37 PDT

> > > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!!

> > >
> > > Cya
> > > The Plaid Skull

> > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!
> > Plaidy, I think that you give Robby way too much credit....it is possible that this is a spoof, but if you look at his past creations, none of his characters are the least bit original...They are are cheap ripoffs of established or popular characters. Rob can only be pissed at himself. He was given the golden key to comic royalty, before paying his dues or doing any real work to show his talent (or lack thereof). Instead of trying to learn how to write a story or draw correctly (at least with some discipline base), he became arrogant, obnoxious, disrespected the readers with the lack of quality or thought he put into his work, and started to believe the early and incorrect press that he was a pro. Hawk & Dove was nice to look at, but there was another artist helping....New Mutants was getting good (when Louise Simonson was writing).....X-Force was horrible from the start, but Liefeld was already riding a maniacal tidewave of ignorant investors and groupies. Liefeld brought this on himself and I have no doubt that his new work will be unstomachable too.

> > God...I Sound Kinda Mean....

> > Ned

> Dang, Ned you are a cold one!!! BTW, I'm #1200!!! Do I get a.....well, you know what I'm gonna ask for!!

> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

> Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!

....uh oh.....whatdo you think the odds are that Liefeld and Leech Man will team up and come after me as an unstoppable team?....or a team anyways....

A Nervous Ned

Posted by STRYKER on April 20, 1997 at 23:37:55 PDT

HELLO THERE!!

U.... I HAVE READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT
HOW CRAPPY THE CAPTAIN AMERICA THANG IS....
(AND I AGREE WITH YOU FOLKS)
BUT WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR
HEROES REBORN ANYWAY? I THINK IT'S GREAT --
AND HEROES REBORN WAS ONLY SPOILED BY LIEFELD --
AND I THINK JIM LEE DID A DARN GOOD JOB!

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

• STRYKER'S DUNGEON

Posted by Michael Kaiser on April 21, 1997 at 01:45:44 PDT
in reply to HEROES REBORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (197), posted by STRYKER on April 20, 1997 at 23:37:55 PDT

> HELLO THERE!!

> U.... I HAVE READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT
> HOW CRAPPY THE CAPTAIN AMERICA THANG IS....
> (AND I AGREE WITH YOU FOLKS)
> BUT WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR
> HEROES REBORN ANYWAY? I THINK IT'S GREAT --
> AND HEROES REBORN WAS ONLY SPOILED BY LIEFELD --
> AND I THINK JIM LEE DID A DARN GOOD JOB!

> WHAT DO YOU THINK?

I've only read one the first issue of the FF Heroes Reborn but I thought it much better than the Cap storyline, though the pace was a bit too fast. At least Jim stuck with the correct origin and has a decent art and story telling style.

Mike....

• Sentinel Of Liberty Home Page

Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 21, 1997 at 09:49:33 PDT
in reply to Re: HEROES REBORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (198), posted by Michael Kaiser on April 21, 1997 at 01:45:44 PDT

> > HELLO THERE!!

> > U.... I HAVE READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT
> > HOW CRAPPY THE CAPTAIN AMERICA THANG IS....
> > (AND I AGREE WITH YOU FOLKS)
> > BUT WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR
> > HEROES REBORN ANYWAY? I THINK IT'S GREAT --
> > AND HEROES REBORN WAS ONLY SPOILED BY LIEFELD --
> > AND I THINK JIM LEE DID A DARN GOOD JOB!

> > WHAT DO YOU THINK?

> I've only read one the first issue of the FF Heroes Reborn but I thought it much better than the Cap storyline, though the pace was a bit too fast. At least Jim stuck with the correct origin and has a decent art and story telling style.

> Mike....

Although I have not read any of Jim Lee's FANTASTIC FOUR, and have no idea what it was really like, I heard it was pretty good, except for the fact that there was a little too much story packed into the comics.
I DID, however, read one of Rob Liefeld's CAPs, thinking I knew what crap Rob Liefeld's work was...well, let's just say I was shown what crap was.
I heard that AVENGERS was somewhat better, but I'm not even gonna try.
I think that HEROES REBORN was a bad idea from the beginning.
Rather than try to renew interest in a title by sending it off into the "Franklin-verse" and letting people from IMAGE work on it, give it to some really creative and original people, maybe even alternative creators - - people who are creative above and beyond the call of duty - - and see what they can do with it in the regular universe.
It could happen.

C.C., the Peace-Bringer

Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 21, 1997 at 09:56:01 PDT
in reply to Re: Rob Liefield must be pissed!!! (191), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 20, 1997 at 10:39:50 PDT

> > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!!

> >
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

> > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!
> Plaidy, I think that you give Robby way too much credit....it is possible that this is a spoof, but if you look at his past creations, none of his characters are the least bit original...They are are cheap ripoffs of established or popular characters. Rob can only be pissed at himself. He was given the golden key to comic royalty, before paying his dues or doing any real work to show his talent (or lack thereof). Instead of trying to learn how to write a story or draw correctly (at least with some discipline base), he became arrogant, obnoxious, disrespected the readers with the lack of quality or thought he put into his work, and started to believe the early and incorrect press that he was a pro. Hawk & Dove was nice to look at, but there was another artist helping....New Mutants was getting good (when Louise Simonson was writing).....X-Force was horrible from the start, but Liefeld was already riding a maniacal tidewave of ignorant investors and groupies. Liefeld brought this on himself and I have no doubt that his new work will be unstomachable too.

> God...I Sound Kinda Mean....

> Ned

I agree, Neddy.
Rob Liefeld has no place to be pissed.
If someone has no talent, no originality and not a single creative bone in their bodies, they deserve the Iron Boot in the Ass, as Rob Liefeld demonstrates.
I say give a tiny little "bravo!" to MARVEL for finally getting some creativity standards.

C.C., the Artist Formerly Known as Kabby

Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 21, 1997 at 10:00:05 PDT
in reply to Re: Hmmmm......I'm #....... (190), posted by NS on April 20, 1997 at 10:03:00 PDT

> > > > > Hey!!!! I'm #1100!!! I better get a prize or I'll kill everyone on this board by reaching in through the monitor and strangling you all!!!!
> > > >
> > > > How about if you just kill the "I'm #*" messages instead?

> > >
> > > Couldn't agree with you more! Does anyone else find these # posts annoying? It's great that you visit the board so much Mr Goblin but can't you post something interesting or with a point?

> > But take a look at the other boards, they all do this!!

> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

> > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

> If you look on other boards, you do this! Plus, sounding like my father, if someone jumped off a bridge you don't have too jump to.

Yeah, if everybody jumped off a cliff, would you - - OH MY GOD! I'M TURNING INTO MY FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A traumatized C.C.

Posted by TEMPEST on April 21, 1997 at 10:22:07 PDT

Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL.
TEMPEST

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 21, 1997 at 14:53:32 PDT
in reply to Re: Rob Liefield must be pissed!!! (200), posted by Cheshire Cat on April 21, 1997 at 09:56:01 PDT

> > > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!!

> > >
> > > Cya
> > > The Plaid Skull

> > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!
> > Plaidy, I think that you give Robby way too much credit....it is possible that this is a spoof, but if you look at his past creations, none of his characters are the least bit original...They are are cheap ripoffs of established or popular characters. Rob can only be pissed at himself. He was given the golden key to comic royalty, before paying his dues or doing any real work to show his talent (or lack thereof). Instead of trying to learn how to write a story or draw correctly (at least with some discipline base), he became arrogant, obnoxious, disrespected the readers with the lack of quality or thought he put into his work, and started to believe the early and incorrect press that he was a pro. Hawk & Dove was nice to look at, but there was another artist helping....New Mutants was getting good (when Louise Simonson was writing).....X-Force was horrible from the start, but Liefeld was already riding a maniacal tidewave of ignorant investors and groupies. Liefeld brought this on himself and I have no doubt that his new work will be unstomachable too.

> > God...I Sound Kinda Mean....

> > Ned

> I agree, Neddy.
> Rob Liefeld has no place to be pissed.
> If someone has no talent, no originality and not a single creative bone in their bodies, they deserve the Iron Boot in the Ass, as Rob Liefeld demonstrates.
> I say give a tiny little "bravo!" to MARVEL for finally getting some creativity standards.

> C.C., the Artist Formerly Known as Kabby

I haven't heard from you in ages!!!!! I replied to one of your posts earlier in agreement.....now it makes more sense, somehow....

Ned

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 21, 1997 at 16:29:48 PDT
in reply to Favorite CAP Villain (202), posted by TEMPEST on April 21, 1997 at 10:22:07 PDT

> Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL.
> TEMPEST

The Red Skull or Crossbones!! Those skeleton type guys are cool!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!

Posted by Roscoe on April 21, 1997 at 16:52:49 PDT
in reply to HEROES REBORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (197), posted by STRYKER on April 20, 1997 at 23:37:55 PDT

> HELLO THERE!!

> U.... I HAVE READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT
> HOW CRAPPY THE CAPTAIN AMERICA THANG IS....
> (AND I AGREE WITH YOU FOLKS)
> BUT WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR
> HEROES REBORN ANYWAY? I THINK IT'S GREAT --
> AND HEROES REBORN WAS ONLY SPOILED BY LIEFELD --
> AND I THINK JIM LEE DID A DARN GOOD JOB!

> WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Jim Lee did very nice on the art aspect. Writing wise, it was okay, given that it wasn't Jim Lee writing at all, but Stan Lee. I'm not sure how much they thought the average fan had read, but I for one had already read all the original Fantastic Four stories, and to see the first 10 issues of FF rehashed and crammed into 2 1/2 new issues was pretty aggrivating. If it's a new approach, lets see some new stories. I liked the old ones the way they were.

-Roscoe

Posted by batroc on April 21, 1997 at 16:53:10 PDT
in reply to Re: Favorite CAP Villain (204), posted by The Plaid Skull on April 21, 1997 at 16:29:48 PDT

> > Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL.
> > TEMPEST
> The Red Skull or Crossbones!! Those skeleton type guys are cool!!
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull
> Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!!
Of course, Batroc the Leaper is one of my favorites, for that is
ze way of honair. Also Crossbones. Just one man's opinion.
Batroc...

Posted by Roscoe on April 21, 1997 at 16:55:44 PDT
in reply to Favorite CAP Villain (202), posted by TEMPEST on April 21, 1997 at 10:22:07 PDT

> Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL.
> TEMPEST

Depends on what you mean by villain. Yes, the Red Skull is the great Cap villain, and if we were forced to limit him to one issue and one fight, it would have to be the Red Skull. However, Baron Zemo II (oh, right, Citizen V, sorry) and the Serpent Society are also favorites of mine.

But the coolest is definately Batroc the Leaper. Personally I'm hoping he's decided to go straight after his heart to heart with Cap, and will become a hero.

-Roscoe

Posted by matt on April 21, 1997 at 17:56:34 PDT
in reply to Re: Which Cap. Storyline is the best ever? (178), posted by Rob on April 19, 1997 at 11:18:41 PDT

>
> > Some of my favorite stories include:
> > The entire 332-350 run
> > (anticipating Knightfall by years and doing it better, IMHO)

>
> Actually, it was around this point in the book's history that I stopped reading Cap for good. To each his own. I remember someone sent me a copy of #350 when it came out and I railed against the art, what I saw as poor depictions of Cap. But I've been reading some issues of the Bloodstone Saga, a few issues after that, and have been blown away by how good it was. The artist who drew that also drew #350 and had improved by leaps & bounds.

I can see not liking some of the art, depending on your style. And I thought issue 344 (Cap vs. Ronald Reagan turned into a giant lizard) was way too silly.
Maybe I should go back & reread those issues - I haven't read them all in four years or so - I hope I would still like 'em.

> > The recent Waid/Garney stuff

> I've only read their first two issues and wasn't too impressed. Garney's art looked good occasionally, but some of it I didn't like, such as how Sharon Carter was depicted, ignoring how she had looked previously.
> But I appear to be in the minority on this, judging from what I've read.
They got a lot better as they went along, IMHO.

And I can't remember if I said this before, but I liked the Stern/Byrne run as well. And artwise, I really dig Mike Zeck.

Posted by Batroc on April 21, 1997 at 19:00:40 PDT
in reply to Favorite CAP Villain (202), posted by TEMPEST on April 21, 1997 at 10:22:07 PDT

> Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL.
> TEMPEST
I know I've already said my piece, but here are a list of the top
villians.
1. Batroc-unique sense of honor and comic relief
2. Crossbones-'nuff said
3. Red Skull--probably should be #1 but is over exposed,
4. Madame Hydra/Viper --one angry woman
5. Yellow Claw--Read C.A. #165-167 and see if you don't agree
6. Dead Ringer-yeah, I said it. I mean he can do Death Stalker
7. Baron Blood-take out that stake and re-attach that head and
we are ready to party.
7. Submariner--I know he's a hero, but Cap has never beat him even
when he had "super strength". Couldn't he outsmart him once?
Heck, that's enough and I've probably omitted someone that has
got someone termianlly irritated. But that is the way of Honair
the way of ...BATROC the Lepair.

Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 21, 1997 at 20:15:18 PDT

But I'm still waitin' for my prize though!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there was Injustice, Tyranny, Ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!