April 1997 Archives D
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Posted by Venom on April 22, 1997 at 08:56:34 PDT
> > Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL. > The Red Skull or Crossbones!! Those skeleton type guys are cool!! > Cya > Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! Give me Baron Zemo as my favorite Cap villain --Venom-- |
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Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 22, 1997 at 11:31:11 PDT
> > > Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL. > > The Red Skull or Crossbones!! Those skeleton type guys are cool!! > > Cya > > Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! > Give me Baron Zemo as my favorite Cap villain > --Venom-- I must agree, Venom. An agreeable C.C. |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 22, 1997 at 15:38:32 PDT
> > > > Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL. > > > The Red Skull or Crossbones!! Those skeleton type guys are cool!! > > > Cya > > > Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! > > Give me Baron Zemo as my favorite Cap villain > > --Venom-- > I must agree, Venom. > An agreeable C.C. The Red Skull is not a nazi anymore he said so himself!! Well, now he is since Robslaught got his filthy uncreative hands on him!! And Zemo doesn't have a mask stuck to his face that was the first Zemo!! And the mask is like a family emblem that's why the current one used to wear it!! I was going to put Zemo as one of my favs but he's a "good guy" now and has his own book!! Cya Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! |
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Posted by Deus on April 22, 1997 at 20:51:48 PDT I've heard that Mark Waid's run on Captain America was pretty good, but I never checked it out. Could someone give me plot summaries of the issues? |
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Posted by Roscoe on April 22, 1997 at 21:40:13 PDT
> Cya > Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! I haven't read it for awhile, but if I recall, Zemo did get the mask stuck to him when he fell in a vat of goo that he had planned to drop Cap in as retribution for his father. (this was when he was the original Phoenix in Cap #159 or so). But, anyhow, he got it off, merely leaving his face a hideous scarred ruin. Roscoe |
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Posted by STRYKER on April 23, 1997 at 00:21:36 PDT LIKE I SAID BEFORE -- FANTASTIC FOUR WAS REALLY GOOD! AND FANTASTIC FOUR WAS NOT WRITTEN BY STAN LEE AND CAPTAIN AMERICA WAS WRITTEN BY JEPH LOEB SOME OF YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK YOU KNOW THAT?
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Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 23, 1997 at 09:12:11 PDT
> > > > > Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL. > > > > The Red Skull or Crossbones!! Those skeleton type guys are cool!! > > > > Cya > > > > Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! > > > Give me Baron Zemo as my favorite Cap villain > > > --Venom-- > > I must agree, Venom. > > An agreeable C.C. > The Red Skull is not a nazi anymore he said so himself!! Well, now he is since Robslaught got his filthy uncreative hands on him!! And Zemo doesn't have a mask stuck to his face that was the first Zemo!! And the mask is like a family emblem that's why the current one used to wear it!! I was going to put Zemo as one of my favs but he's a "good guy" now and has his own book!! > Cya > Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! Once a Nazi, always a Nazi, I say. A giddy C.C. |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 23, 1997 at 09:27:13 PDT > I've heard that Mark Waid's run on Captain America was pretty good, but I never checked it out. Could someone give me plot summaries of the issues? Those issues were the best run that Cap has had since the Stern/Byrne issues....and that was 15 years ago. The basic plots for those issues centered around reintroducing Sharon back into Cap's lfe, Cap being booted out of the U.S. as a traitor, Cap working without any resources or support to defend the free world....I don't want to give too much away, but those issues should be pretty cheap to get....pick 'em up....you won't be sorry. A Star-Spangled Ned |
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Posted by TEMPEST on April 23, 1997 at 09:34:45 PDT TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT...THOSE ISSUES ARE CLASSICS!! PERFECT BLEND OF GREAT STORYTELLING AND GREAT ART! TEMPEST |
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Posted by TEMPEST on April 23, 1997 at 09:43:18 PDT
Or so the Germans would have us believe!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (evil laugh) |
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Posted by TEMPEST on April 23, 1997 at 09:49:38 PDT
Hmmm...so only one vote for the Red Skull. Interesting, but not surprising. He is a bit overexposed and like, CC said, a bit one dimensional, although Waid did do a good job of presenting a more complex Skull. So pretty much it came down to either Batroc or Zemo...no Arnim Zola lovers out there?! Or Lucifer lovers?! Or the Swine?! Come on people!! Just kidding. Personnaly, I vote for the current Zemo..especially because of what's going on in Thunderbolts. Too bad Dr.Doom isn't a traditional Cap villain or he would have gotten my vote. |
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Posted by TEMPEST on April 23, 1997 at 09:50:08 PDT
Hmmm...so only one vote for the Red Skull. Interesting, but not surprising. He is a bit overexposed and like, CC said, a bit one dimensional, although Waid did do a good job of presenting a more complex Skull. So pretty much it came down to either Batroc or Zemo...no Arnim Zola lovers out there?! Or Lucifer lovers?! Or the Swine?! Come on people!! Just kidding. Personnaly, I vote for the current Zemo..especially because of what's going on in Thunderbolts. Too bad Dr.Doom isn't a traditional Cap villain or he would have gotten my vote. |
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Posted by Justice on April 23, 1997 at 11:16:12 PDT > TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT...THOSE ISSUES ARE CLASSICS!! PERFECT BLEND OF GREAT STORYTELLING AND GREAT ART! > TEMPEST I third that! And if you missed the Waid/Garney run the first time around, do not miss it when they take over after Heroes Reborn. Just don't. |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 23, 1997 at 11:24:53 PDT > LIKE I SAID BEFORE -- FANTASTIC FOUR WAS REALLY GOOD! > AND FANTASTIC FOUR WAS NOT WRITTEN BY STAN LEE > AND CAPTAIN AMERICA WAS WRITTEN BY JEPH LOEB > SOME OF YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK YOU KNOW THAT? I agree with most of what Stryker says. I read all four of the first issues of HR and the only one that I have been reading is Iron Man. Lobdell's writing is responsible for the quality here....Lee's FF is typical of all of his work....waaaay too wordy. I love dialogue and background info, but if it is overdone, it takes away the energy that is necessary for a super hero comic book. Avengers and Cap were horrible...the only thing that made reading them easier was that there were very few words with more then one syllable. I can't wait for this thing to be over. Ned |
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Posted by Batroc on April 23, 1997 at 14:26:00 PDT
> I've heard that Mark Waid's run on Captain America was pretty good, but I never checked it out. Could someone give me plot summaries of the issues? |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 23, 1997 at 15:48:01 PDT What if in the middle of WWII, Buchanan Barnes was whisked away and put smack dab in the middle of Gotham City in the present!! Bucky and Robin meet and they get into a tussle!! Who would win? I'd say Robin, Bucky's style of fighting is outdated and only knows basic training from the military while Robin knows all this karate crap and other new forms of getting the job done!! And don't get me started on his utility belt!! I like Bucky better than Robin but in a fight I think Bucky would be beaten!! Cya Whenever there was Injustice, Tyranny, Ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!! |
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Posted by tank on April 23, 1997 at 18:04:23 PDT > What if in the middle of WWII, Buchanan Barnes was whisked away and put smack dab in the middle of Gotham City in the present!! Bucky and Robin meet and they get into a tussle!! Who would win? I'd say Robin, Bucky's style of fighting is outdated and only knows basic training from the military while Robin knows all this karate crap and other new forms of getting the job done!! And don't get me started on his utility belt!! I like Bucky better than Robin but in a fight I think Bucky would be beaten!! > Cya > Whenever there was Injustice, Tyranny, Ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!! I agree. Tim is much more well trained. |
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Posted by Thomas Chamberlain on April 23, 1997 at 19:33:33 PDT > > TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT...THOSE ISSUES ARE CLASSICS!! PERFECT BLEND OF GREAT STORYTELLING AND GREAT ART! > > TEMPEST > I third that! And if you missed the Waid/Garney run the first time around, do not miss it when they take over after Heroes Reborn. Just don't. What issue numbers were the Waid/Garney issues? Tom |
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Posted by matt on April 23, 1997 at 20:34:00 PDT Hey: Since Cap's best has been discussed, how about his cheesiest? (HR obviously a strong contender.) Oh, and i'm #1425...is that important? matt |
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Posted by matt on April 23, 1997 at 20:38:23 PDT > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!! > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! I saw promo art for Agent America - he's got a shield, girl sidekick, and an eagle on his head. One of his villains has a skull-head. I smell a lawsuit. This has got to be unused art planned for Cap before Rob was kicked off. matt |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 23, 1997 at 20:51:32 PDT > > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!! > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! > I saw promo art for Agent America - he's got a shield, girl sidekick, and an eagle on his head. One of his villains has a skull-head. I smell a lawsuit. This has got to be unused art planned for Cap before Rob was kicked off. > matt Hmmm...a shield, a girl sidekick, and eagle on his head, a skull-headed villain!! This reminds me of something but I can't quite put my finger on it! Well, if he gets sued I hope he learns a harsh lesson that he should never write, draw, touch, look, think, or even read a comic assuming that he can read!! I still can't beleive that Levi 501 made a commercial with him in it!!! Cya
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Posted by Roscoe on April 23, 1997 at 21:07:47 PDT > Hey: > Since Cap's best has been discussed, how about his cheesiest? (HR obviously a strong contender.) > Oh, and i'm #1425...is that important? > matt No, it's not important at all, just irritating. But, anyhow. Personally, I enjoyed the storylines in which both #271 and #344 took place. The Nightshade issue (#164?) is fairly cheesy. I'd vote for the Cap-Wolf story in #402-407 as one of his cheesiest. Let's think...there's a Kirby issue in the #190's where he ends up squaring off against Henry Kissinger, though they don't actually fight...wait, I have it! I'm not sure cheese is the correct term, but the absolute weirdest issue of Cap ever is Special #4. Good lord, this is so bizarre I can't even describe it. It starts with Cap answering a Want-Ad, where a guy needs help caring for a mutant. he happens to answer the add at the same time as Magneto, and the mutant turns out to be living inside a hollow watch...and there's an alien spaceship the size and shape of a football...and the Peeper is in it...my head hurts -Roscoe
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Posted by Batroc on April 23, 1997 at 21:32:31 PDT
> What if in the middle of WWII, Buchanan Barnes was whisked away and put smack dab in the middle of Gotham City in the present!! Bucky and Robin meet and they get into a tussle!! Who would win? I'd say Robin, Bucky's style of fighting is outdated and only knows basic training from the military while Robin knows all this karate crap and other new forms of getting the job done!! And don't get me started on his utility belt!! I like Bucky better than Robin but in a fight I think Bucky would be beaten!! |
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Posted by Batroc on April 23, 1997 at 21:49:25 PDT
> What if in the middle of WWII, Buchanan Barnes was whisked away and put smack dab in the middle of Gotham City in the present!! Bucky and Robin meet and they get into a tussle!! Who would win? I'd say Robin, Bucky's style of fighting is outdated and only knows basic training from the military while Robin knows all this karate crap and other new forms of getting the job done!! And don't get me started on his utility belt!! I like Bucky better than Robin but in a fight I think Bucky would be beaten!! |
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Posted by Batroc on April 23, 1997 at 21:51:38 PDT
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Posted by Justice on April 23, 1997 at 22:38:18 PDT > > > TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT...THOSE ISSUES ARE CLASSICS!! PERFECT BLEND OF GREAT STORYTELLING AND GREAT ART! > > > TEMPEST > > I third that! And if you missed the Waid/Garney run the first time around, do not miss it when they take over after Heroes Reborn. Just don't. > What issue numbers were the Waid/Garney issues? > Tom #s 444-454 (which was the last ish of the original Cap series before HR). |
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Posted by Rob on April 24, 1997 at 07:24:00 PDT
> > matt > Personally, I enjoyed the storylines in which both #271 and #344 took place. The Nightshade issue (#164?) is fairly cheesy. I'd vote for the Cap-Wolf story in #402-407 as one of his cheesiest. Let's think...there's a Kirby issue in the #190's where he ends up squaring off against Henry Kissinger, though they don't actually fight...wait, I have it! > I'm not sure cheese is the correct term, but the absolute weirdest issue of Cap ever is Special #4. Good lord, this is so bizarre I can't even describe it. It starts with Cap answering a Want-Ad, where a guy needs help caring for a mutant. he happens to answer the add at the same time as Magneto, and the mutant turns out to be living inside a hollow watch...and there's an alien spaceship the size and shape of a football...and the Peeper is in it...my head hurts > -Roscoe Surely I'm not the only one who LIKED #164? My cheese-detector must be malfunctioning... and, anyway, most issues of Cap have been cheesy in their own way. If #164 was cheesy, I'd say it was cheesy in a good way (like #259, about Doc Ock & a biker gang, an issue which may seem ridiculous, but is actually enjoyable). You want cheesy in a bad, unenjoyable way, try #136 -- this issue about Cap fighting a man-ape in the Mole Man's world has NOTHING going for it. (And I speak as one who very much enjoyed #135, which introduced that ape-guy.) Kirby may have his cheesiness (I haven't read Annual #4), but at least has its good points... #106, #112, 202-205, 210-214 aren't my cup of tea, but hey it's Kirby, at least. And if you think Avengers #150 was disappointing (as so many did at the time), look at Cap #150: it has Cap fighting the Stranger... or rather, listening to The Stranger babble. Boring! Also, back to #164... I think Nightshade is an interesting character.. and Weiss' art was more realistic then-Cap regular Sal Buscema's was.... and hey, Jim Starlin did the coloring. Plus it has The Yellow Claw and SHIELD. I kinda like it.
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Posted by Rob on April 24, 1997 at 08:01:44 PDT
> > > > TEMPEST > > > I third that! And if you missed the Waid/Garney run the first time around, do not miss it when they take over after Heroes Reborn. Just don't. > > What issue numbers were the Waid/Garney issues? > > Tom > #s 444-454 (which was the last ish of the original Cap series before HR).
Page 1, #444: huge pic of Quicksilver's face, with two real-tiny balloons and microscopic indicia. Now, a face like this is the easiest thing in the world to draw. Plus, he's talking even though his mouth is sealed shut (yes, I know other artists do that all the time, too). Waste of a splash page. Page 2: dumb dialogue like "we got higher ratings than a Ford Bronco" and "what is this? The Poetry Hour? No this is a briefing, so listen up." Sounds more like a wisecracking Thing than a cop (or whatever he was) trying to explain the gravity of the situation of the Prez being kidnapped to the Avengers. (And, at the bottom, he's talking with his mouth closed, too.) Page 2-3 combined total only 2 panels... another waste of pages. I don't know if I want to continue page by page... but a lot of wasted pages, a lot of unrealistic corny dialogue. Page 8: Am I the only one who thinks that the Avengers ganging up on the cop in the top panel looks too cartoony and unreal? Especially since some of these guys have had very strained relations with Cap in the past. Why spring to his defense? Page 10: Terrible drawing of Cap's face... especially the mouth. Looks like Stephen Seagal. Is this how Pietro sees Cap or something? Okay, enough of their debut issue. Cap wasn't in it much anyway. Their second issue, #445, had a nice cover, & different inker. But still there are problems with dialogue. Especially Sharon Carter, who talks like some fanboy, with "He who hesitates is toast" and even "Duh." And she's drawn like Pamela Anderson. Even the flashback to the old Sharon (page 7) doesn't look like herself (tiny nose, big eyes, etc.). [Must be the artist...Black Widow has huge eyes & a tiny nose & big lips on the first page. How can those who criticize Liefeld's strange anatomy defend this?) Cap is treated like crap thru this whole issue ("You dead back there?" Sharon asks during a fight). Cap is better depicted here than he was the previous issue (maybe due to different inker?) but looks dumb frowning... looks more like pouting when the Skull shows up. Some of the art looked good, though. This issue is better than #444. But I bought these two issues when they came out and wasn't persuaded to buy more based on these two disappointing performances. Also, I was one of those who thought that the removal of Sharon Carter & later introduction of Bernie Rosenthal was a good thing... Not many times we see a comic hero attracted to someone who isn't a blonde bombshell. But apparently Bernie wasn't liked by some fans (although they kept trying to draw her more like a "babe" as the years went on) and was finally replaced by Diamondback, and later this new Sharon Carter. Too bad, really. Rob
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Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 24, 1997 at 11:59:56 PDT > LIKE I SAID BEFORE -- FANTASTIC FOUR WAS REALLY GOOD! > AND FANTASTIC FOUR WAS NOT WRITTEN BY STAN LEE > AND CAPTAIN AMERICA WAS WRITTEN BY JEPH LOEB > SOME OF YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK YOU KNOW THAT? You may recall, Mr. Stryker, that I said I hadn't read FF, but said I heard it was good, but wordy. A Friendly C.C. |
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Posted by Victor on April 24, 1997 at 18:05:32 PDT I recently posted the avengers battle royal on the avengers message board and most people said that the winner would either be Cap or Thor. So I decided to se who would win a fight between these two. Even though Cap never gives up I think Thor would win because he doesnt give up either but Thor is physicaly more powereful so he would win on top of that he is a God while Cap is a man. |
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Posted by Roscoe on April 24, 1997 at 22:38:26 PDT > I recently posted the avengers battle royal on the avengers message board > and most people said that the winner would either be Cap or Thor. So I decided to se who would win a fight between these two. Even though Cap never gives up I think Thor would win because he doesnt give up either but Thor is physicaly more powereful so he would win on top of that he is a God while Cap is a man. As Thunderstrike said on that board, Cap and Thor are very close friends, and this situation wouldn't come up. If it did, however, I will still on principle go with Cap. Cap isn't stupid, he knows pretty well how outgunned he is, and would take appropriate steps to minimize this disadvantage, whether that be calling in the other Avengers to restrain them both till it was sorted out, or whatever, Cap would find a way. -Roscoe
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Posted by Roscoe on April 24, 1997 at 22:40:48 PDT
> > > > matt > > Personally, I enjoyed the storylines in which both #271 and #344 took place. The Nightshade issue (#164?) is fairly cheesy. I'd vote for the Cap-Wolf story in #402-407 as one of his cheesiest. Let's think...there's a Kirby issue in the #190's where he ends up squaring off against Henry Kissinger, though they don't actually fight...wait, I have it! > > I'm not sure cheese is the correct term, but the absolute weirdest issue of Cap ever is Special #4. Good lord, this is so bizarre I can't even describe it. It starts with Cap answering a Want-Ad, where a guy needs help caring for a mutant. he happens to answer the add at the same time as Magneto, and the mutant turns out to be living inside a hollow watch...and there's an alien spaceship the size and shape of a football...and the Peeper is in it...my head hurts > > -Roscoe > Surely I'm not the only one who LIKED #164? My cheese-detector must be malfunctioning... and, anyway, most issues of Cap have been cheesy in their own way. If #164 was cheesy, I'd say it was cheesy in a good way (like #259, about Doc Ock & a biker gang, an issue which may seem ridiculous, but is actually enjoyable). You want cheesy in a bad, unenjoyable way, try #136 -- this issue about Cap fighting a man-ape in the Mole Man's world has NOTHING going for it. (And I speak as one who very much enjoyed #135, which introduced that ape-guy.) Kirby may have his cheesiness (I haven't read Annual #4), but at least has its good points... #106, #112, 202-205, 210-214 aren't my cup of tea, but hey it's Kirby, at least. And if you think Avengers #150 was disappointing (as so many did at the time), look at Cap #150: it has Cap fighting the Stranger... or rather, listening to The Stranger babble. Boring! > Also, back to #164... I think Nightshade is an interesting character.. and Weiss' art was more realistic then-Cap regular Sal Buscema's was.... and hey, Jim Starlin did the coloring. Plus it has The Yellow Claw and SHIELD. I kinda like it. About Annual #4, like I said, i'm not sure cheese is the correct term. I really enjoyed this, but it was just so whacked it defies description or categorization. Everyone, run out and buy it, it's the one with Magneto on the cover. -Roscoe
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Posted by Roscoe on April 25, 1997 at 00:45:10 PDT
> > > > > > TEMPEST > > > > I third that! And if you missed the Waid/Garney run the first time around, do not miss it when they take over after Heroes Reborn. Just don't. > > > What issue numbers were the Waid/Garney issues? > > > Tom > > #s 444-454 (which was the last ish of the original Cap series before HR). > > Page 1, #444: huge pic of Quicksilver's face, with two real-tiny balloons and microscopic indicia. Now, a face like this is the easiest thing in the world to draw. Plus, he's talking even though his mouth is sealed shut (yes, I know other artists do that all the time, too). Waste of a splash page. > Page 2: dumb dialogue like "we got higher ratings than a Ford Bronco" and "what is this? The Poetry Hour? No this is a briefing, so listen up." Sounds more like a wisecracking Thing than a cop (or whatever he was) trying to explain the gravity of the situation of the Prez being kidnapped to the Avengers. (And, at the bottom, he's talking with his mouth closed, too.) Page 2-3 combined total only 2 panels... another waste of pages. > I don't know if I want to continue page by page... but a lot of wasted pages, a lot of unrealistic corny dialogue. Page 8: Am I the only one who thinks that the Avengers ganging up on the cop in the top panel looks too cartoony and unreal? Especially since some of these guys have had very strained relations with Cap in the past. Why spring to his defense? Page 10: Terrible drawing of Cap's face... especially the mouth. Looks like Stephen Seagal. Is this how Pietro sees Cap or something? > Okay, enough of their debut issue. Cap wasn't in it much anyway. Their second issue, #445, had a nice cover, & different inker. But still there are problems with dialogue. Especially Sharon Carter, who talks like some fanboy, with "He who hesitates is toast" and even "Duh." And she's drawn like Pamela Anderson. Even the flashback to the old Sharon (page 7) doesn't look like herself (tiny nose, big eyes, etc.). [Must be the artist...Black Widow has huge eyes & a tiny nose & big lips on the first page. How can those who criticize Liefeld's strange anatomy defend this?) Cap is treated like crap thru this whole issue ("You dead back there?" Sharon asks during a fight). Cap is better depicted here than he was the previous issue (maybe due to different inker?) but looks dumb frowning... looks more like pouting when the Skull shows up. Some of the art looked good, though. This issue is better than #444. But I bought these two issues when they came out and wasn't persuaded to buy more based on these two disappointing performances. > Also, I was one of those who thought that the removal of Sharon Carter & later introduction of Bernie Rosenthal was a good thing... Not many times we see a comic hero attracted to someone who isn't a blonde bombshell. But apparently Bernie wasn't liked by some fans (although they kept trying to draw her more like a "babe" as the years went on) and was finally replaced by Diamondback, and later this new Sharon Carter. Too bad, really. > Rob I'm not going to disagree with anything specific you said here. A few lines of the dialogue bugged me as well, though not nearly as much as bringing back a character that had been dead for over TWO HUNDRED issues. I didn't think #444 was that great eithre. Not too bad, mind you, but not that great. I did think the cover was really sharp, except...they put that horrible little ad in a triangle in the top corner, it wrecked the whole effect. The cover of #445, though, is tremendous. I'd put this on my top ten Cap covers; as you can tell, I liked it. The small noses and little eyes and etc. are a stylistic choice that didn't especially bother me, especially since I was paying more attantion to how cool Cap looked. sorry, I meant "kewl", that's how its said nowadays I'm told. Personally I really enjoyed the Waid/Garney issues. The Waid writing was n't incredible, but it was quite good, and it was fresh, (I loved Gru; it was simply time for a change). The Garney art, however, was top-notch. This is one of the better runs in Cap history, certainly worth reading. (Though there are other runs I liked more) -Roscoe
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Posted by Roscoe on April 25, 1997 at 00:54:04 PDT > LIKE I SAID BEFORE -- FANTASTIC FOUR WAS REALLY GOOD! > AND FANTASTIC FOUR WAS NOT WRITTEN BY STAN LEE > SOME OF YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK YOU KNOW THAT? Firstly, I just reread all the posts and follow ups and didn't see anything remotely negative except some of my own comments. I stated that these issues were okay, but I'd rather see something new, as I'd already read the basic stories before. Note here, the implication that I have, in fact, read the new titles. I did give the new titles a chance, i've read 75% of the issues. Secondly, my comment that Stan Lee was writing the title wasn't meant as a statement of fact regarding the current creative team. Im not an indicia. It was a semi-sarcastic comment about the fact that all of the plots were lifted almost scene by scene from the original issues of Fantastic Four, which were written by Stan Lee. I can see why Jim Lee's studio is called Homage, as the first few issues of FF were so deep in homage that I thought I was rereading the Official Marvel Index to the Fantastic Four, but with pictures. Sorry to get you in a huff. -Roscoe
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Posted by Mr. Mind on April 25, 1997 at 02:19:18 PDT I would love to see Cap fight the Yellow Claw again. I always thought he was a perfect foe for the Sentinel of Liberty. Does anyone else want to see them battle again? |
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Posted by Mr, Mind on April 25, 1997 at 02:25:58 PDT
> > > Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL. The Yellow Claw; If the Red Skull is Cap's greatest foe, then the Claw is by far his deadliest. It's a pity they don't clash more often. |
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Posted by the Purple Claw on April 25, 1997 at 02:40:55 PDT I have a thought that I would like to share; How cum Cap rarely brings up the Pacific Theatre? It's mostly Germany this and Hitler that. I would LOVE to know what Cap thought of Imperial Japan, While the Nazis epitomised racial hatred and opression, the Japanese represented tyranny and imperialism. Cap's ideaology was opposed to these traits as well. Did he think of the attack on Pearl Harbour as an act of cowardice? What are Cap's thoughts on the Imperial Japanese's treatment of Chinese and Allied POWs? What does Cap think of Japan's recent apology about their involvement in WW 2? In the HR Universe, did Cap serve in any missions in the Asia/Pacific theatre? Did he ever meet Captain Savage and his Leatherneck Raiders? Did he think Hideki Tojo was as great a monster as Hitler? I would love to find out. |
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Posted by Rob on April 25, 1997 at 05:29:50 PDT
My understanding is that Cap was involved in the E.T.O. (European Theater of Operation), and so not doing much fighting in the Pacific (although I think there are probably a bunch of Golden Age covers showing him doing just that). That's why his experiences concern Hitler and Germany... that's where he was fighting. Europe is where most of the troops were (as I understand it) in the beginning. As for Cap's opinions on the Japanese...I've no idea.
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Posted by Hunter on April 25, 1997 at 10:42:32 PDT H.R. bites i want know who likes it??? |
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Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 25, 1997 at 10:45:40 PDT > I would love to see Cap fight the Yellow Claw again. I always thought he was a perfect foe for the Sentinel of Liberty. Does anyone else want to see them battle again? I've always liked the Yellow Claw as a villain, but I think that in the present day world, his motives need to be updated...the same way as Red Skull's motives were updated to being a man working behind the American political scene to take over the U.S., rather than for complete armed world domination. "Auntie Em! Auntie Em! A convoluted C.C. |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 25, 1997 at 14:20:44 PDT > > > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!! > > > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! > > I saw promo art for Agent America - he's got a shield, girl sidekick, and an eagle on his head. One of his villains has a skull-head. I smell a lawsuit. This has got to be unused art planned for Cap before Rob was kicked off. > > matt > Hmmm...a shield, a girl sidekick, and eagle on his head, a skull-headed villain!! This reminds me of something but I can't quite put my finger on it! Well, if he gets sued I hope he learns a harsh lesson that he should never write, draw, touch, look, think, or even read a comic assuming that he can read!! I still can't beleive that Levi 501 made a commercial with him in it!!! > Cya > ...um....Plaidy, if Rob were to never infringe and plagerize on the work of others, he wouldn't have had a career....nothing that he has done has been the least bit original. Cme |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 25, 1997 at 14:37:59 PDT > H.R. bites i want know who likes it??? I wasn't thrilled over the original concept, but with the majority of the "talent" involved....it was doomed to failure. I have been reading Iron Man and find it to be o.k. It started out as a great book, but has quickly lost its momentum. God!!!! I sounded serious and intelligent for a moment there....sorry, Ned |
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Posted by The Plaid Goblin on April 25, 1997 at 14:40:33 PDT > > > > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!! > > > > > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! > > > I saw promo art for Agent America - he's got a shield, girl sidekick, and an eagle on his head. One of his villains has a skull-head. I smell a lawsuit. This has got to be unused art planned for Cap before Rob was kicked off. > > > matt > > Hmmm...a shield, a girl sidekick, and eagle on his head, a skull-headed villain!! This reminds me of something but I can't quite put my finger on it! Well, if he gets sued I hope he learns a harsh lesson that he should never write, draw, touch, look, think, or even read a comic assuming that he can read!! I still can't beleive that Levi 501 made a commercial with him in it!!! > > Cya > > > ...um....Plaidy, if Rob were to never infringe and plagerize on the work of others, he wouldn't have had a career....nothing that he has done has been the least bit original. > Cme Did you see Robslaught's rendition of Spike Lee? Hah!!! Spike was really buff and he had a camera on his head and spikes all over his body!! Talk about uncreativity!! I Saw you |
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Posted by Ned Cheese Jr. on April 25, 1997 at 15:29:45 PDT
> > > > > > matt > > > Personally, I enjoyed the storylines in which both #271 and #344 took place. The Nightshade issue (#164?) is fairly cheesy. I'd vote for the Cap-Wolf story in #402-407 as one of his cheesiest. Let's think...there's a Kirby issue in the #190's where he ends up squaring off against Henry Kissinger, though they don't actually fight...wait, I have it! > > > I'm not sure cheese is the correct term, but the absolute weirdest issue of Cap ever is Special #4. Good lord, this is so bizarre I can't even describe it. It starts with Cap answering a Want-Ad, where a guy needs help caring for a mutant. he happens to answer the add at the same time as Magneto, and the mutant turns out to be living inside a hollow watch...and there's an alien spaceship the size and shape of a football...and the Peeper is in it...my head hurts > > > -Roscoe > > Surely I'm not the only one who LIKED #164? My cheese-detector must be malfunctioning... and, anyway, most issues of Cap have been cheesy in their own way. If #164 was cheesy, I'd say it was cheesy in a good way (like #259, about Doc Ock & a biker gang, an issue which may seem ridiculous, but is actually enjoyable). You want cheesy in a bad, unenjoyable way, try #136 -- this issue about Cap fighting a man-ape in the Mole Man's world has NOTHING going for it. (And I speak as one who very much enjoyed #135, which introduced that ape-guy.) Kirby may have his cheesiness (I haven't read Annual #4), but at least has its good points... #106, #112, 202-205, 210-214 aren't my cup of tea, but hey it's Kirby, at least. And if you think Avengers #150 was disappointing (as so many did at the time), look at Cap #150: it has Cap fighting the Stranger... or rather, listening to The Stranger babble. Boring! > > Also, back to #164... I think Nightshade is an interesting character.. and Weiss' art was more realistic then-Cap regular Sal Buscema's was.... and hey, Jim Starlin did the coloring. Plus it has The Yellow Claw and SHIELD. I kinda like it. > About Annual #4, like I said, i'm not sure cheese is the correct term. I really enjoyed this, but it was just so whacked it defies description or categorization. Everyone, run out and buy it, it's the one with Magneto on the cover. > -Roscoe My vote would be the issue that has Cap in the White House battling Ronald Reagan, who had been transformed into a snake creature. The concept was bad, the fight was worse, and seeing a naked Ronnie on the floor, covered in sweat and asking for water was nauseating....this cheese was worse than lindburger....Cap Wolf is up there too.....
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Posted by Rob on April 25, 1997 at 20:29:20 PDT
> I wasn't thrilled over the original concept, but with the majority of the "talent" involved....it was doomed to failure. I have been reading Iron Man and find it to be o.k. It started out as a great book, but has quickly lost its momentum. > God!!!! I sounded serious and intelligent for a moment there....sorry, Ned Well, because of all the talk about the current titles on these message boards, two days ago I went out and bought Avengers #8... first Heroes Reborn title I ever read. And, surprise, I liked it. It was better than the last Avengers issue I had bought...#299, several years back. One of the reasons I enjoyed it was the focus on the classic elements...the classic team of Avengers, the classic foes. Plus, since it seems that things will be back to normal again, the changes were not too disturbing. After reading Avengers #8, I added the title to my pull-list at the local comicshop. Will have to try a HR Cap soon. Rob |
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Posted by jon jack on April 26, 1997 at 07:17:47 PDT Thank god, I was so tired of looking at characters gritting their teeth all the time. All the sunken cheeks made me think it was a zombie comic. |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 26, 1997 at 08:49:38 PDT > Thank god, I was so tired of looking at characters gritting their teeth all the time. All the sunken cheeks made me think it was a zombie comic. You also forgot about the deformed nose, the huge chest, the weird positions on how they stand, and during the fight scenes you can't make out what the hell Cap's doing!! Cya Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!! |
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Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 26, 1997 at 14:55:58 PDT
> > > I wasn't thrilled over the original concept, but with the majority of the "talent" involved....it was doomed to failure. I have been reading Iron Man and find it to be o.k. It started out as a great book, but has quickly lost its momentum. > > God!!!! I sounded serious and intelligent for a moment there....sorry, Ned > Well, because of all the talk about the current titles on these message boards, two days ago I went out and bought Avengers #8... first Heroes Reborn title I ever read. And, surprise, I liked it. It was better than the last Avengers issue I had bought...#299, several years back. One of the reasons I enjoyed it was the focus on the classic elements...the classic team of Avengers, the classic foes. Plus, since it seems that things will be back to normal again, the changes were not too disturbing. After reading Avengers #8, I added the title to my pull-list at the local comicshop. Will have to try a HR Cap soon. > Rob Suggestion: A Chock-Full C.C. |
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Posted by Bernie on April 26, 1997 at 21:42:17 PDT Is there anyone out there like me who can't wait for a return to the regular Marvel universe? I for one, am a sentimental person who loves Cap because Cap loves his country. His return issue should be a real"God Bless America" story. Cap has always been my favorite hero and once this heroes stillborn run ends it will be great to see him back in action as he should be. Any body else out there want to see this kind of story? |
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Posted by Rob on April 27, 1997 at 08:15:26 PDT
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Posted by Rob on April 27, 1997 at 08:30:38 PDT
> Any body else out there want to see this kind of story? If you've been following the posts, it seems like everyone here wants "a return to the regular Marvel universe." Not sure if I'd want "a real 'God Bless America' story" or not, though. #167 is one of my favorite issues and although it ends on a patriotic note, shows the side of America that even Cap has difficulty being proud of. |
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Posted by Winghead on April 27, 1997 at 12:47:29 PDT Frank Robbins used to be far, far, far and away my least favorite Cap artist. I have to say, though, that I enjoyed his work in "The Invaders." I guess it had kind of a Golden Age feel. |
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Posted by Winghead on April 27, 1997 at 13:05:21 PDT It's been interesting reading all the Cap messages (took me two full days to do it). I wanted to share this letter I e-mailed to Marvel last July, before Heroes Reborn started. >Let me say up front that I realize I am not your target market, since I no longer spend the big bucks on comics every week, so I realize my views won't carry much weight. Besides that, it's too late to stop the BIG changes coming, anyway, but I wanted to take this opportunity to vent. >I may be one of the few people in the world that started collecting comics because of Playboy magazine(!). I read lotsa comics as a pre-teen in the early to mid-60s, but I didn't get into Marvels much because of the continued stories. With the spotty distribution back then, I always seemed to miss the next issue of a really good story. To avoid frustration, I mostly read DCs (Legion of Super-Heroes was my favorite) since their stories usually wrapped up in one issue. As I >Later, in an old issue of Playboy magazine, I read an article (yes, I really read the articles!) excerpting Jules Pfeiffer's book "The Great Comic Book Heroes." One of the pages reproduced was from a Golden Age issue of Captain America. I was astonished to learn that the man behind the mask had my name! I had no idea if this comic was still being published, but I vividly remember finding a copy of Captain America #151, drawn by Sal Buscema, featuring a mostly out-of-costume Cap fighting the Scorpion and Mr. Hyde. I was hooked. It didn't take long until I was buying everything Marvel put out. >I remember how exciting it was when the first comic-book store opened. I could get everything in one place in mint condition, instead of prowling several Seven-Elevens. I could even meet other people who shared my "strange" obsession. I wrote several letters and even had a few published in the late 70s, but had to curtail my fandom activities when I graduated and had to enter the "real world." I still bought a lot of comics until my wife and I had our first child almost ten years ago. My spare time really disappeared then, and since I've always bought comics to read them (instead of double-bagging ten copies of each of six different chromium-embossed hologram variant covers), my comics buying went way down. I've tried to keep up with all of the appearances of Captain America (and probably still will unless Rob Liefeld changes his secret identity to Willie Lumpkin), and I've also tried to keep somewhat up to date on the rest of the Marvel Universe through big event crossovers, annuals, and the odd issue that caught >I've watched DC revamp their Top Guns (it was said they were being "Marvelized") and remake their universe every couple of years with the smug satisfaction that Marvel didn't need to do that. I guess I've always felt that if someone screwed up the Marvel continuity too badly, Roy Thomas was always around to set things straight again. Maybe the kids today don't care about the history of the characters (I didn't say things like that until I turned 40!), but I always enjoyed and appreciated that I was reading about some of the same characters who were around in World War II. I even enjoyed DCs Earth-One and Earth-Two, so what do I know? I realize that time sort of passed in slow-motion in the Marvel Universe and topical references in Silver Age issues showed thirty years had passed, where maybe only ten years had passed in Marvel-time, but I was willing to suspend my disbelief on that point. If any continuity really needs revamping, it's the X-titles, which are only about 20 years old. I remember picking up a new Claremont issue and being so totally lost that I figured I had missed an issue, only to find out that I hadn't. Chris (and his X-successors) seem to prefer a decidedly non-linear story-telling style, but the X-titles are the industry's biggest sellers so, again, what do I know? >If I had my wish, Marvel wouldn't go the "Crisis on Infinite Zero Hours" route and change their history. Heck, as long as I'm wishing, I wish I was rich so I'd have the time and money to buy and read all the titles. Even if I don't agree with what you're doing (and, technically, I don't >P.S. Thanks, Jack and Joe, for naming your creation Steve Rogers. Thanks, Dad (who was twelve years old when Captain America Comics #1 came out), for giving me that name. Maybe it stuck in the back of his mind somewhere when it came time to name his firstborn son. It's been a lot of fun having a "secret identity" known only to a select few all these years. It's been much better than being named Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne, and being subject to kidding from everyone! |
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Posted by Batroc on April 27, 1997 at 18:28:18 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on April 27, 1997 at 18:44:59 PDT
> and most people said that the winner would either be Cap or Thor. So I decided to se who would win a fight between these two. Even though Cap never gives up I think Thor would win because he doesnt give up either but Thor is physicaly more powereful so he would win on top of that he is a God while Cap is a man. Cap did defeat the Thunder God in Avengers Annual #2. He |
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Posted by Batroc on April 27, 1997 at 18:45:46 PDT
> and most people said that the winner would either be Cap or Thor. So I decided to se who would win a fight between these two. Even though Cap never gives up I think Thor would win because he doesnt give up either but Thor is physicaly more powereful so he would win on top of that he is a God while Cap is a man. Cap did defeat the Thunder God in Avengers Annual #2. He |
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Posted by Batroc on April 27, 1997 at 19:01:50 PDT
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Posted by STRYKER on April 27, 1997 at 23:21:51 PDT
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Posted by STRYKER on April 27, 1997 at 23:45:36 PDT
HELLO KEEN CITIZENS!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT ?? I READ SOMEWHERE THAT AFTER HEROES REBORN, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT BEFORE HEROES REBORN, IRON MAN WELL, IT'S BACK TO THE TONY STARK AS HE WAS (THE OLDER VERSION) AFTER AND THEY ARE THINKING OF LETTING JIM LEE WORK ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR ISSUES AFTER HEROES REBORN!!! HOW COOL IS THAT? KEEP SMILING! OH YEAH --- WHAT DOES PLAID MEAN --- AS IN PLAID SKULL? |
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Posted by Starving Writer on April 28, 1997 at 11:19:00 PDT > HELLO KEEN CITIZENS!! > DO YOU KNOW WHAT ?? > I READ SOMEWHERE THAT AFTER HEROES REBORN, > DO YOU REMEMBER THAT BEFORE HEROES REBORN, IRON MAN > WELL, IT'S BACK TO THE TONY STARK AS HE WAS (THE OLDER VERSION) AFTER > AND THEY ARE THINKING OF LETTING JIM LEE WORK ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR ISSUES AFTER HEROES REBORN!!! HOW COOL IS THAT? > KEEP SMILING! > OH YEAH --- WHAT DOES PLAID MEAN --- AS IN PLAID SKULL?
Jim Lee will not be working on Fantastic Four after HR. The creative team will be Lobdell/Kubert. Plaid means... well... you ever seen that TV show "Home Improvement"? Look at Al, look at his shirt. That's plaid. If you don't see that TV program, well, plaid is basically like many vertical and horizontial lines, with dull, bland colors (such as red, brown, orange, yellow, and so on). Hmm, that might be a poor explanation, but that's the best way I can put it. Starving Writer |
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Posted by Rob on April 28, 1997 at 13:08:37 PDT
> > I wrote several letters and even had a few published in the late 70s, but had to curtail my fandom activities when I graduated and had to enter the "real world."
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Posted by Frank Cooper on April 28, 1997 at 13:45:18 PDT > Is there anyone out there like me who can't wait for a return to the regular Marvel universe? I for one, am a sentimental person who loves Cap because Cap loves his country. His return issue should be a real"God Bless America" story. Cap has always been my favorite hero and once this heroes stillborn run ends it will be great to see him back in action as he should be. > Any body else out there want to see this kind of story? I for one would like to see Cap returned to his "glory days" so to speak.The stories of the forties,fifties and early sixties lent a sort of air of immortality to Steve Rogers that has seldom been seen since.A few examples of prime Captain America AFTER the Lee/Kirby revival stories of the early sixties were issues by Jim Steranko,Roger Stern and John Byrne,a few issues with art by Mike Zeck,and most recently the Mark Waid issues which were pre-empted for a bit by the HIDEOUS work of the world's sloppiest artist Rob "I fired the Darkchylde guy and quit Image REALLY I LIKE TO LOSE MONEY" Liefield.Is it just me or did Marvel really fumble the ball on the entire Heroes Reborn saga but ESPECIALLY on the Captain America?Anyone out there who is a Rob Liefeld fan PLEASE email me so I can show you the error of your ways before it is too late!!! |
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Posted by Frank Cooper on April 28, 1997 at 13:48:20 PDT
> Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL. Well,hehe no mystery from me,Tempest.It is,was and always will be |
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Posted by Frank Cooper on April 28, 1997 at 13:51:17 PDT > I heard in Jonah Weiland's message board that Rob Liefield is doing a character called Agent America!!! A cheap rip off for all the patriotic super-heroes!! This must retaliation for him getting booted off of Cap!! This guy even has a shield!!!! He's getting introduced this summer!! He's already made one in Youngblood why make another one? Diehard had a shield, he fought in WWII, and he had corny patriotic dialogue!! > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!! Rob Liefield is,was and always will be an IDIOT.Nothing can change this and no amount of talking to the boy will correct his apparent brain damage.Let's just hope for the sake of the young who really LIKE his work that it is a quick acting tumor.If he were any kind of writer or artist he wouldn't have to be pissed,he'd still have a job.(BTW who cares what he prints in Youngblood...it has a readership less than Archie for Christ's sake!) |
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Posted by tank on April 28, 1997 at 14:59:08 PDT > Yes, Iron Man will be an adult after HR. How that will be done, I have no idea. > Jim Lee will not be working on Fantastic Four after HR. The creative team will be Lobdell/Kubert. > Plaid means... well... you ever seen that TV show "Home Improvement"? Look at Al, look at his shirt. That's plaid. > If you don't see that TV program, well, plaid is basically like many vertical and horizontial lines, with dull, bland colors (such as red, brown, orange, yellow, and so on). Hmm, that might be a poor explanation, but that's the best way I can put it. > Starving Writer For a good example of plaid, look at a scotch tape package. |
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Posted by tank on April 28, 1997 at 15:00:02 PDT For a good example of plaid, look at a scotch tape package. |
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Posted by MrPtolemy on April 28, 1997 at 15:19:05 PDT Anyone got any news on it? Will it be BAD? |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 28, 1997 at 16:12:31 PDT > > HELLO KEEN CITIZENS!! > > DO YOU KNOW WHAT ?? > > I READ SOMEWHERE THAT AFTER HEROES REBORN, > > DO YOU REMEMBER THAT BEFORE HEROES REBORN, IRON MAN > > WELL, IT'S BACK TO THE TONY STARK AS HE WAS (THE OLDER VERSION) AFTER > > AND THEY ARE THINKING OF LETTING JIM LEE WORK ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR ISSUES AFTER HEROES REBORN!!! HOW COOL IS THAT? > > KEEP SMILING! > > OH YEAH --- WHAT DOES PLAID MEAN --- AS IN PLAID SKULL? > > Jim Lee will not be working on Fantastic Four after HR. The creative team will be Lobdell/Kubert. > Plaid means... well... you ever seen that TV show "Home Improvement"? Look at Al, look at his shirt. That's plaid. > If you don't see that TV program, well, plaid is basically like many vertical and horizontial lines, with dull, bland colors (such as red, brown, orange, yellow, and so on). Hmm, that might be a poor explanation, but that's the best way I can put it. > Starving Writer Hey!!! I'm not dull!!!! Cya Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!! |
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Posted by paul on April 28, 1997 at 17:13:19 PDT
> > DO YOU KNOW WHAT ?? > > I READ SOMEWHERE THAT AFTER HEROES REBORN, > > DO YOU REMEMBER THAT BEFORE HEROES REBORN, IRON MAN > > WELL, IT'S BACK TO THE TONY STARK AS HE WAS (THE OLDER VERSION) AFTER > > AND THEY ARE THINKING OF LETTING JIM LEE WORK ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR ISSUES AFTER HEROES REBORN!!! HOW COOL IS THAT? > > KEEP SMILING! > > OH YEAH --- WHAT DOES PLAID MEAN --- AS IN PLAID SKULL? > > Jim Lee will not be working on Fantastic Four after HR. The creative team will be Lobdell/Kubert. > Plaid means... well... you ever seen that TV show "Home Improvement"? Look at Al, look at his shirt. That's plaid. > If you don't see that TV program, well, plaid is basically like many vertical and horizontial lines, with dull, bland colors (such as red, brown, orange, yellow, and so on). Hmm, that might be a poor explanation, but that's the best way I can put it. > Starving Writer
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Posted by Ned Addict Jr. on April 28, 1997 at 20:02:46 PDT I can't .....stop....myself.... |
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Posted by STRYKER on April 28, 1997 at 23:57:14 PDT
 HELLO THERE!!! WHAT IS IT WITH MARK WAID AND WHY DO A LOTTA PEOPLE I HAVE READ A LOTTA HIS STUFF AND I CANNOT SEE A DARN AND ANOTHER THING -- YES WE HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT HERE LOVE, |
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Posted by STRYKER on April 29, 1997 at 00:15:14 PDT
HELLO THERE!!! WHAT IS IT WITH MARK WAID AND WHY DO A LOTTA PEOPLE I HAVE READ A LOTTA HIS STUFF AND I CANNOT SEE A DARN AND ANOTHER THING -- YES WE HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT HERE LOVE, |
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Posted by VMan on April 29, 1997 at 07:33:01 PDT I desperatly want to get into a Marvel Super Heroes Role Playing game. If anyone knows of an active one online please let me know. P.S. Some of my favorite characters are Deadpool, Vision, X-force, Spidey, and Daredevil |
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Posted by Bubba2 on April 29, 1997 at 09:18:09 PDT > HELLO THERE!!! > WHAT IS IT WITH MARK WAID AND WHY DO A LOTTA PEOPLE > I HAVE READ A LOTTA HIS STUFF AND I CANNOT SEE A DARN > AND ANOTHER THING -- YES WE HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT HERE > LOVE, Well, Stryker, I don't know if I can explain it to you, but the way Mark Waid wrote Captain America just sounded more like Cap to me than the previous 2 years of Cap and much more than the material put out by Liefeld. I read #1 of the Liefeld run and dropped it because the plots were lousy and the art worse. Waid and Garney kinda gave Cap a feel that I liked. No, it wasn't necessarily classic or golden age, but it was good (in my opinion). Do I think Waid is the greatest Cap writer ever? Well, I don't know, probably not, but I do like his take on Cap (and, no, I wasn't thrilled to see Sharon back either, but she did kinda grow on me). I guess this doesn't really answer your question, but I gotta admit that I like Waid's Cap! Happy Birthday, Bubba2 |
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Posted by Daniel Angers on April 29, 1997 at 09:26:17 PDT > HELLO THERE!!! > WHAT IS IT WITH MARK WAID AND WHY DO A LOTTA PEOPLE > I HAVE READ A LOTTA HIS STUFF AND I CANNOT SEE A DARN
I think Mark Waid is a good writer but he's even better than that when he's writing Cap. But he's not in the league of James Robinson, Garth Ennis and Kurt Busiek. And I hate these moving images and these capital letters, sorry... Dan
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Posted by Daniel Angers on April 29, 1997 at 09:30:40 PDT
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Posted by Rob on April 29, 1997 at 10:27:22 PDT
> Dan
There were also two back-ups around #221... One of them was a weird Rick Jones story... And I've been pleasantly surprised to see that some of the Gruenwald issues had back-up tales & serials. But these were later dropped due to "reader demand." Me, I always like back-up tales in comics...their presence makes me feel like I'm getting two stories for the price of one. I notice Byrne is having a back-up serial in Jack Kirby's Fourth World currently. More comics should have back-up stories! Rob |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on April 29, 1997 at 16:00:34 PDT > HELLO THERE!!! > WHAT IS IT WITH MARK WAID AND WHY DO A LOTTA PEOPLE > I HAVE READ A LOTTA HIS STUFF AND I CANNOT SEE A DARN > AND ANOTHER THING -- YES WE HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT HERE > LOVE, Asking me why I'm plaid is like asking the sky why is it blue!!
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Posted by Justice on April 29, 1997 at 16:34:36 PDT > > HELLO THERE!!! > > WHAT IS IT WITH MARK WAID AND WHY DO A LOTTA PEOPLE > > I HAVE READ A LOTTA HIS STUFF AND I CANNOT SEE A DARN > > AND ANOTHER THING -- YES WE HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT HERE > > LOVE, > Well, Stryker, I don't know if I can explain it to you, but the way Mark Waid wrote Captain America just sounded more like Cap to me than the previous 2 years of Cap and much more than the material put out by Liefeld. I read #1 of the Liefeld run and dropped it because the plots were lousy and the art worse. Waid and Garney kinda gave Cap a feel that I liked. No, it wasn't necessarily classic or golden age, but it was good (in my opinion). Do I think Waid is the greatest Cap writer ever? Well, I don't know, probably not, but I do like his take on Cap (and, no, I wasn't thrilled to see Sharon back either, but she did kinda grow on me). I guess this doesn't really answer your question, but I gotta admit that I like Waid's Cap! > Happy Birthday, > Bubba2 I agree with Bubba2. I wasn't awestruck at how good Cap was. I wasn't moved by it. I just enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. I don't know that Waid by himself was it. It wouldn't have been the same with another artist. As for Sharon Carter, I think it is a testament to Waid ans Garney that I really loved their take on the book, even though I had no experience with Sharon Carter, and really didn't like her at all. I greatly would have preferred Diamondback, who was Cap's main squeeze during most of the time that I was reading the book. I just wish Sharon Carter wasn't there. But thiking back, I enjoyed the book despite her presence, so that says something. One thing that Gruenwald did well, but which didn't hit it big with the audience was bringing back old second stringers. I think Waid and Garney could do this really well, and it would be a lot of fun. Well, there's my opinion.
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Posted by David Medinnus on April 29, 1997 at 16:34:57 PDT
> > > Tom > Of sorts . . . Have you seen it? (The Italian Red Skull, etc.) I first saw it advertised on a "Coming Attractions" listing in my local movie theatre lobby. I waited for months and even saw a poster advertising it at one point, but it finally went straight to video. Fun for Capfans, but really pretty lame. Actually, there were three movies, a black&white serial, and a cartoon run. More information on the Star-Spangled Site. |
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Posted by David Medinnus on April 29, 1997 at 16:37:39 PDT > What if in the middle of WWII, Buchanan Barnes was whisked away and put smack dab in the middle of Gotham City in the present!! Bucky and Robin meet and they get into a tussle!! Who would win? I'd say Robin, Bucky's style of fighting is outdated and only knows basic training from the military while Robin knows all this karate crap and other new forms of getting the job done!! And don't get me started on his utility belt!! I like Bucky better than Robin but in a fight I think Bucky would be beaten!! Against Tim or Dick, Bucky would be toast. He probably could have taken Jason Todd, or the HR chick.
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Posted by David Medinnus on April 29, 1997 at 16:47:21 PDT > Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL. Rob Liefield.
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Posted by Daniel Angers on April 29, 1997 at 16:55:19 PDT > > Who's your favorite Cap villain? Just curious to see if everyone says the RED SKULL. > Rob Liefield. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You're right :) Dan |
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Posted by Daniel Angers on April 29, 1997 at 17:01:24 PDT I can't access the original file, so... Bernie America was a great back-up storie but I read the best back-up stories in Spiderman-2099. It was about young Miguel and Peter David did a great job with these stories. But the majority of readers didn't agree with me so they get rid of these beautiful little stories. How sad... Dan |
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Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 29, 1997 at 17:19:10 PDT > HELLO THERE!!! > WHAT IS IT WITH MARK WAID AND WHY DO A LOTTA PEOPLE > I HAVE READ A LOTTA HIS STUFF AND I CANNOT SEE A DARN > AND ANOTHER THING -- YES WE HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT HERE > LOVE, To answer a few of your questions: C(heshire the).C(onqueror). |
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Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 29, 1997 at 17:22:47 PDT > Anyone got any news on it? Will it be BAD? Then again, it couldn't be much worse than that HORRIBLE Albert Pyun-directed piece of crap that was made in the '80s... Your Friendly Neighborhood C.C. |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 29, 1997 at 18:48:31 PDT > > HELLO THERE!!! > > WHAT IS IT WITH MARK WAID AND WHY DO A LOTTA PEOPLE > > I HAVE READ A LOTTA HIS STUFF AND I CANNOT SEE A DARN > > AND ANOTHER THING -- YES WE HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT HERE > > LOVE, > Asking me why I'm plaid is like asking the sky why is it blue!! > Yep....you wont get an answer from either...... |
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Posted by Rob on April 29, 1997 at 18:52:37 PDT
> Bernie America was a great back-up storie but I read the best back-up stories in Spiderman-2099. It was about young Miguel and Peter David did a great job with these stories. But the majority of readers didn't agree with me so they get rid of these beautiful little stories. How sad... > Dan
Looks like a lot of the "I'm #" posts got deleted around here...glad you saw my post before it disappeared! Rob |
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Posted by Thunderstrike on April 30, 1997 at 00:10:04 PDT > I desperatly want to get into a Marvel Super Heroes Role Playing game. If anyone knows of an active one online please let me know. > P.S. Some of my favorite characters are Deadpool, Vision, X-force, Spidey, and Daredevil Well, this is a coincidence! I'm thinking of starting one up in a few weeks (as soon as I get home to my stuff). It would probably be done mostly on the weekends, and would require an ability to access chat rooms and recieve email. Can you do this? Thunderstrike |
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Posted by Thunderstrike on April 30, 1997 at 00:12:42 PDT > I desperatly want to get into a Marvel Super Heroes Role Playing game. If anyone knows of an active one online please let me know. > P.S. Some of my favorite characters are Deadpool, Vision, X-force, Spidey, and Daredevil Well, this is a coincidence! I'm thinking of starting one up in a few weeks (as soon as I get home to my stuff). It would probably be done mostly on the weekends, and would require an ability to access chat rooms and recieve email. Can you do this? Thunderstrike |
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Posted by STRYKER!!! on April 30, 1997 at 00:50:12 PDT
 OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: WRITERS! WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? MINE ARE: BUT ... I WHAT IS IT WITH GARTH ENNIS?? love, |
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Posted by Starving Writer on April 30, 1997 at 02:14:21 PDT > OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: > WRITERS! > WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? > MINE ARE: > BUT ... I WHAT IS IT WITH GARTH ENNIS?? > love, First of all, a small suggestion. Don't type in ALL CAPS. The majority of people find it annoying (including me), and it can be considered shouting, which is rude and impolite. No, I'm not blasting you, just giving you a friendly suggestion. Now, as for my favorite writers... here they are... Kurt Busiek Those are not the only writers I like, but there are merely my favorite writers. I also like Peter David, James Robinson, Steve Englehart, Karl Kesel, and Joe Kelly. Starving Writer |
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Posted by Starving Writer on April 30, 1997 at 02:16:31 PDT > OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: > WRITERS! > WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? > MINE ARE: > BUT ... I WHAT IS IT WITH GARTH ENNIS?? > love, First of all, a small suggestion. Don't type in ALL CAPS. The majority of people find it annoying (including me), and it can be considered shouting, which is rude and impolite. No, I'm not blasting you, just giving you a friendly suggestion. Now, as for my favorite writers... here they are... Kurt Busiek Those are not the only writers I like, but there are merely my favorite writers. I also like Peter David, James Robinson, Steve Englehart, Karl Kesel, and Joe Kelly. Starving Writer |
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Posted by Starving Writer on April 30, 1997 at 02:17:15 PDT > OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: > WRITERS! > WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? > MINE ARE: > BUT ... I WHAT IS IT WITH GARTH ENNIS?? > love, First of all, a small suggestion. Don't type in ALL CAPS. The majority of people find it annoying (including me), and it can be considered shouting, which is rude and impolite. No, I'm not blasting you, just giving you a friendly suggestion. Now, as for my favorite writers... here they are... Kurt Busiek Those are not the only writers I like, but there are merely my favorite writers. I also like Peter David, James Robinson, Steve Englehart, Karl Kesel, and Joe Kelly. Starving Writer |
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Posted by Bed Leeds Jr. on April 30, 1997 at 05:24:55 PDT > > OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: > > WRITERS! > > WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? > > MINE ARE: > > BUT ... I WHAT IS IT WITH GARTH ENNIS?? > > love, > First of all, a small suggestion. Don't type in ALL CAPS. The majority of people find it annoying (including me), and it can be considered shouting, which is rude and impolite. No, I'm not blasting you, just giving you a friendly suggestion. > Now, as for my favorite writers... here they are... > Kurt Busiek > Those are not the only writers I like, but there are merely my favorite writers. I also like Peter David, James Robinson, Steve Englehart, Karl Kesel, and Joe Kelly. > Starving Writer Hey, I agree completely with SW's response....I agree that he has two signed comics....um...sorry. There are writers out there, who's style I don't care for, but I respect them none the less cause they know the concept of story devices, pacing PLOTTING, characterization, having an energy and momentum to their stories...um...I'm done now. An Instigating Ned |
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Posted by Cheshire Cat on April 30, 1997 at 10:52:30 PDT
Personally, I have a select few writers that I think can work wonders with the comics they write. Grant Morrison James Robinson Mark Waid Other writers who are not great, but whom I enjoy: Erik Larsen Mike Mignola So those are my picks. The Fabulicious C.C. |
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Posted by Rob on April 30, 1997 at 11:56:19 PDT Interesting that only two of the writers mentioned in these posts (Waid and DeMatteis) have actually written Captain America. DeMatteis did some great Caps, in my opinion. As I've said before on this board, #267 is one of my all-time favorite Cap issues. (I also liked his Defenders back then, until he wrecked it with The New Defenders.) Not only that, but he created The Creature Commandos too (in DC's Weird War Tales)! His style reminded me of Englehart and Gerber somehow. Steve Englehart, of course, had one of the best runs on Cap. And he also did some classic Avengers (and not-so classic West Coast Avengers), Batman, and JLA. Roy Thomas is one of my favorite comics writers. His comics tend to have a lot more writing in them, taking longer to read, than many other writers. He also is usually his own editor (Thomas edited Cap back in the 1970s). Thomas was supposed to be the regular writer of Cap after Kirby left (#214), but that never happened. He did write a few Cap stories circa 1990 in Cap annuals. And he also wrote two titles Cap starred in, The Avengers (probably the best run in that title's history, by the way) and The Invaders. Stan Lee hasn't written much lately, but he remains one of my favorite comics writers. One of the qualities I liked most about his dialogue was its humor. Whenever things would get too pretentious or predictable, he'd have The Thing make a wisecrack. He also brought superheroes to the real world, paving the way for later writers like Denny O' Neil, Doug Moench, Chris Claremont, etc. Any one of those five writers I've discussed would do a tremendously good job on Cap, I think. I'll have to wait and see regarding Waid's work as I've not cared for what I've seen of it. (I notice my negative review, posted below, did not receive much response, making me wonder whether fan-support for Waid is all that firm.) Many other writers have done or would do a good job on Cap. One of the most underrated is Roger McKenzie, I think, who managed to do enjoyable work during an erratic time in the title's history. So did Steve Gerber, around the same time. I'd long disliked the direction Mark Gruenwald took the book (it seemed too G.I.Joe-ish to me somehow, too gimmicky), but I've come to re-evaluate my opinion after latching on to several of those Gruenwald issues I'd refused to buy when they were first released. Some of it was quite good. There are MANY other great comics writers I've enjoyed who did not write Cap...but that would make for a much longer post! Rob
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Posted by Daniel Angers on April 30, 1997 at 12:08:04 PDT
Kurt Busiek > Those are not the only writers I like, but there are merely my favorite writers. I also like Peter David, James Robinson, Steve Englehart, Karl Kesel, and Joe Kelly. > Starving Writer Wow, this is a great list of talented people ! IMO, the best writer right now is Garth Ennis. Hitman, Preacher and Unknown Soldier are just incredible. But if you ask me who's the best writer in the Superheroes genre, it's Kurt Busiek without a doubt. J.M. Dematteis is the best Spidey-writer and I think he wrote the best single issue story of all Spiderman (Amazing #400). James Robinson, Mark Waid, Peter David and David Lapham are above the average too (well above in fact). Joe Kelly is a HOT newcomer who's growing on my top list really fast. And the worst ? Terry Kavanagh I can't stand them... Dan
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Posted by Dave Medinnus on April 30, 1997 at 12:14:35 PDT > OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: > WRITERS! > WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? > MINE ARE: Thanx! -DM
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Posted by Dave Medinnus on April 30, 1997 at 12:16:53 PDT > > I desperatly want to get into a Marvel Super Heroes Role Playing game. If anyone knows of an active one online please let me know. > > P.S. Some of my favorite characters are Deadpool, Vision, X-force, Spidey, and Daredevil > Well, this is a coincidence! I'm thinking of starting one up in a few weeks (as soon as I get home to my stuff). It would probably be done mostly on the weekends, and would require an ability to access chat rooms and recieve email. Can you do this? Thanx! -DM
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Posted by The Doctor on April 30, 1997 at 16:07:37 PDT > OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: > WRITERS! > WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? > MINE ARE: > BUT ... I WHAT IS IT WITH GARTH ENNIS?? > love, I saw WRITERS!!!!!! and thought that clones of starving writer were taking over the board. Boy was I relieved. The Doctor
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Posted by THE EVIL ONE on April 30, 1997 at 16:07:38 PDT > > OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: > > WRITERS! > > WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? > > MINE ARE: > > BUT ... I WHAT IS IT WITH GARTH ENNIS?? > > love, > First of all, a small suggestion. Don't type in ALL CAPS. The majority of people find it annoying (including me), and it can be considered shouting, which is rude and impolite. No, I'm not blasting you, just giving you a friendly suggestion. > Now, as for my favorite writers... here they are... > Kurt Busiek > Those are not the only writers I like, but there are merely my favorite writers. I also like Peter David, James Robinson, Steve Englehart, Karl Kesel, and Joe Kelly. > Starving Writer EVIL:WHAT'S WRONG WITH CAPS HUH?!!!!!! ANYONE WHO MESSES WITH PEOPLE WHO TYPES IN CAPS MESSES WITH THE EVIL ONE!!! The Plaid Goblin:Sorry, Master I couldn't keep him caged up for long!EVIL: SHUT THE HELL UP PLAID BOY!! YOU TRIVIA GIVING PANSY!!! OH, YEAH AND PETER PARKER FOREVER BEN REILLY NEVER!!!
The Plaid Gob..EVILLL!!!
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on April 30, 1997 at 20:53:45 PDT > > OKAY -- HERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW: > > WRITERS! > > WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITE WRITES? > > MINE ARE: > Thanx! > -DM I would also hate to be Hardcase, but I strongly disagree with you D.M.... This has everything to do with Cap...esp. now!!!! Cap has been awful for the past 6 months because of a worthless writer. The importance of a good writer is "The Topic" of what this board is all about. Ned P.S. Both Byrne and Robinson (listed in the original post) were on Cap and played a part in giving us some great reads.....
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