Posted by Bryan Hurley on May 08, 1997 at 09:08:45 PDT
in reply to Re: I have a question? (396), posted by Cheshire Cat on May 07, 1997 at 11:16:49 PDT

> > > I thought I had an issue of Cap. where he fought Jack-o-lantern but I can not find them? Can anyone tell me which issues they were so I don't have to look through my box of unorgainzed Cap. comics. Thank you and maybe I will orgainze these things.

> > > Hal/Wally in 2000

> >
> > Hi there Hal I had the Jack-o-Lantern slated to come in the book around issue #20. But as you can see not now. Thanks for your support and all you who supported me.

> >
> > Rob Liefeld

> Hey, y'know, maybe this is the REAL Rob Liefeld.
> His writing here sure sounds like the way those CAPTAIN AMERICA comics were written:
> BADLY.
> Sorry if this is really you, Rob - - but I really DID NOT like your version of Captain America.

> The Suspicious C.C.

I hate to disappoint? you guys, but I seriously doubt this is really Rob Liefeld. He comments on his plans for issue #20 of Cap. Granted Rob is a complete moron, but you'd think even he would know that he was only scheduled to do Cap through issue#12. I think it's pretty obvious that this is an imposter, and a pretty lousy one at that.

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on May 08, 1997 at 09:17:40 PDT
in reply to HELL NO I DIDN'T SUPPORT YOU! (401), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on May 07, 1997 at 14:14:28 PDT

>
> > > I thought I had an issue of Cap. where he fought Jack-o-lantern but I can not find them? Can anyone tell me which issues they were so I don't have to look through my box of unorgainzed Cap. comics. Thank you and maybe I will orgainze these things.

> > > Hal/Wally in 2000

> >
> > Hi there Hal I had the Jack-o-Lantern slated to come in the book around issue #20. But as you can see not now. Thanks for your support and all you who supported me.

> >
> > Rob Liefeld

> YOU SUCK!

....and were not slated to do Cap after #12 anyways....impersonating goofball...

Posted by David Medinnus on May 08, 1997 at 09:21:29 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America Movie update. (325), posted by Winghead on May 02, 1997 at 16:14:57 PDT

> Are you including the Reb Brown TV movies in the three movie total? If so, I've got all of the above on video. If there's anything else out there I'd love to see it.

Yeah, unfortunately I am including the Reb Brown made-for-tv movies (which are REALLY BAD).

-DM

Posted by tank on May 08, 1997 at 10:14:05 PDT
in reply to CAP. 8 : BEST CAP. IN A WHILE! (402), posted by HAL/WALLY IN 2000 on May 07, 1997 at 14:17:16 PDT

> Thank god the A is back! I loved this book, he artwork ruled, and it actually had a good story. Thank you Marvel for getting rid of Robsuck.

> Hal .

This was the first Cap since the beginning of HR that actually felt like Cap. It made me want to stand up and salute.

Posted by Thomas Chamberlain on May 08, 1997 at 11:21:21 PDT
in reply to Re: HELL NO I DIDN'T SUPPORT YOU! (406), posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on May 08, 1997 at 09:17:40 PDT

> >
> > > > I thought I had an issue of Cap. where he fought Jack-o-lantern but I can not find them? Can anyone tell me which issues they were so I don't have to look through my box of unorgainzed Cap. comics. Thank you and maybe I will orgainze these things.

> > > > Hal/Wally in 2000

> > >
> > > Hi there Hal I had the Jack-o-Lantern slated to come in the book around issue #20. But as you can see not now. Thanks for your support and all you who supported me.

> > >
> > > Rob Liefeld

> > YOU SUCK!

> ....and were not slated to do Cap after #12 anyways....impersonating goofball...

Actually, to defend everybody's favorite impersonating goofball here, I don't think HR was slated to end at 12 until after ol' Robby left.

Tom

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on May 08, 1997 at 12:15:36 PDT
in reply to Re: HELL NO I DIDN'T SUPPORT YOU! (409), posted by Thomas Chamberlain on May 08, 1997 at 11:21:21 PDT

> > >
> > > > > I thought I had an issue of Cap. where he fought Jack-o-lantern but I can not find them? Can anyone tell me which issues they were so I don't have to look through my box of unorgainzed Cap. comics. Thank you and maybe I will orgainze these things.

> > > > > Hal/Wally in 2000

> > > >
> > > > Hi there Hal I had the Jack-o-Lantern slated to come in the book around issue #20. But as you can see not now. Thanks for your support and all you who supported me.

> > > >
> > > > Rob Liefeld

> > > YOU SUCK!

> > ....and were not slated to do Cap after #12 anyways....impersonating goofball...

> Actually, to defend everybody's favorite impersonating goofball here, I don't think HR was slated to end at 12 until after ol' Robby left.

> Tom

Rob & Jim's contract for HR was only for 12 issues...at that point, there was an option for a continuance....

Posted by STRYKER on May 08, 1997 at 21:21:40 PDT

IS THAT GUY WHO POSTED SOME MESSAGES
IN THIS BOARD REALLY ROB LIEFELD?

HMMM.....

IF I WAS ROB LIEFELD, I WOULD NOT EVEN POST
ANY MESSAGES HERE BECAUSE OF THE ABUSIVE NATURE
OF MESSAGES TOWARDS HIM.

I DON'T REALLY LIKE ROB LIEFELD'S CAPTAIN AMERICA
OR ROB LIEFELD'S EXTREME STUDIOS OR MAXIMUM PRESS
COMICS.... BUT...

I HAVE TO TELL SOME OF YOU FOLKS WHO POST MESSAGES
ABOUT ROB LIEFELD TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!
IN RESPONSE TO WHAT SOME OF YOU SAID :

ROB LIEFELD DID NOT DO THE SCRIPT FOR X FORCE AND
CAPTAIN AMERICA! HE 'WROTE'/PLOTTED THE STORY --
BUT THE SCRIPTS -- DIALOGUE -- FOR CAP WAS BY
JEPH LOEB!!!! IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY TO BLAME FOR THE
CHEAP DIALOGUE ON CAP -- IT IS JEPH LOEB! I AGREE THAT
H.R. CAP WAS REAL CRAP AND ROB SHOULD GET THE BLAME FOR THAT.

SORRY IF I SOUNDED TOO RUDE -- BUT I WANTED YOU TO KNOW

• CLICK HERE .......................................................NOW!
• http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~topcow/riddler.gif

Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on May 08, 1997 at 22:54:32 PDT
in reply to REAL ROB LIEFELD.................................?????????????????? (411), posted by STRYKER on May 08, 1997 at 21:21:40 PDT

> IS THAT GUY WHO POSTED SOME MESSAGES
> IN THIS BOARD REALLY ROB LIEFELD?

> HMMM.....

> IF I WAS ROB LIEFELD, I WOULD NOT EVEN POST
> ANY MESSAGES HERE BECAUSE OF THE ABUSIVE NATURE
> OF MESSAGES TOWARDS HIM.

> I DON'T REALLY LIKE ROB LIEFELD'S CAPTAIN AMERICA
> OR ROB LIEFELD'S EXTREME STUDIOS OR MAXIMUM PRESS
> COMICS.... BUT...

> I HAVE TO TELL SOME OF YOU FOLKS WHO POST MESSAGES
> ABOUT ROB LIEFELD TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!
> IN RESPONSE TO WHAT SOME OF YOU SAID :

> ROB LIEFELD DID NOT DO THE SCRIPT FOR X FORCE AND
> CAPTAIN AMERICA! HE 'WROTE'/PLOTTED THE STORY --
> BUT THE SCRIPTS -- DIALOGUE -- FOR CAP WAS BY
> JEPH LOEB!!!! IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY TO BLAME FOR THE
> CHEAP DIALOGUE ON CAP -- IT IS JEPH LOEB! I AGREE THAT
> H.R. CAP WAS REAL CRAP AND ROB SHOULD GET THE BLAME FOR THAT.

> SORRY IF I SOUNDED TOO RUDE -- BUT I WANTED YOU TO KNOW

And just to let you know if it was him I would of said alot worst things since he only ruined Cap. for six issues! Whose ideal was it to put the eagle on Caps head? Who has no talent as an artist? Why Robsuck. And as for Loeb I would not let him pick up my trash because I would be too afaird he would mess it up like he did Cap.

Hal/Wally in 2000

Posted by David Medinnus on May 09, 1997 at 09:57:19 PDT

Alvaro has a rule that nobody may impersonate anyone else on his boards (of which this is one, with me as moderator).

No more posts by "Rob Liefield"; I don't for a moment believe that you are he; and the "You Suck!" followups are a waste of bandwidth, time, energy, and Karma.

And no impersonating other real people, either. Offenders will be violated...errr...violators will be offended...err...nevermind. Y'all KNOW what I mean.

-DM

• Star-Spangled Site

Posted by Batroc on May 09, 1997 at 11:39:31 PDT
in reply to Re: SHIELD background check on the Plaid Skull (369), posted by Roscoe on May 04, 1997 at 18:21:39 PDT

> > In the best interests of Captain America, all of us need to
> > check our correspondance with the Plaid Skull. The man is a
> > self confessed villian who suffers from the ebola virus. What
> > do we really know about this man ? Is he really a man? We know that
> > that he is fascinated with numbers. He may have his own agenda for
> > a new America contrary to Steve Rogers American way. I call for
> > a full investigation!!!
> > Roscoe, this is posted in a toungue-in-cheek manner is not intended
> > to offend anyone for that is the way of honor, that is the way of
> > BATROC the Leaper.........
> Hey, i'm just a dead auto-mechanic, no need to ask my permission. Still, it's just not in the spirit of Captain America to lambaste a dude because he has a different opinion, that's all I meant.
> -Roscoe
Didn't the Skull crucify your character in #183 or are you in
reference to another Roscoe (Like Roscoe P. Coaltrain)?
By the way, I did agree with you. The Message Board had turned
vicious for a while..........BATROC

Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on May 09, 1997 at 13:42:20 PDT
in reply to Absolute Rule: No Impersonations (413), posted by David Medinnus on May 09, 1997 at 09:57:19 PDT

> Alvaro has a rule that nobody may impersonate anyone else on his boards (of which this is one, with me as moderator).

> No more posts by "Rob Liefield"; I don't for a moment believe that you are he; and the "You Suck!" followups are a waste of bandwidth, time, energy, and Karma.

> And no impersonating other real people, either. Offenders will be violated...errr...violators will be offended...err...nevermind. Y'all KNOW what I mean.

> -DM

....um...just a few questions....

* What exactly is bandwidth???

* What does an old New Mutant have to do with impersonating??? Did someone waste Karma? ...the Punisher, maybe?

Hoping That He Isn't Violated For This Response,

Ned

Posted by Roscoe on May 10, 1997 at 00:02:20 PDT
in reply to Weren't you Crucified? (414), posted by Batroc on May 09, 1997 at 11:39:31 PDT

> > > In the best interests of Captain America, all of us need to
> > > check our correspondance with the Plaid Skull. The man is a
> > > self confessed villian who suffers from the ebola virus. What
> > > do we really know about this man ? Is he really a man? We know that
> > > that he is fascinated with numbers. He may have his own agenda for
> > > a new America contrary to Steve Rogers American way. I call for
> > > a full investigation!!!
> > > Roscoe, this is posted in a toungue-in-cheek manner is not intended
> > > to offend anyone for that is the way of honor, that is the way of
> > > BATROC the Leaper.........
> > Hey, i'm just a dead auto-mechanic, no need to ask my permission. Still, it's just not in the spirit of Captain America to lambaste a dude because he has a different opinion, that's all I meant.
> > -Roscoe
> Didn't the Skull crucify your character in #183 or are you in
> reference to another Roscoe (Like Roscoe P. Coaltrain)?
> By the way, I did agree with you. The Message Board had turned
> vicious for a while..........BATROC

Unfortunately, I was indeed crucified by the Red Skull. While this resulted in my death, it also resulted in the return of Cap, so in my book it's a wash. Instead of being sent to the traditional Judeo-Christian heaven or hell, I found myself in the purgatory of the internet, where I am allowed to comment on Cap issues, but not actually become involved in them.

-Roscoe

p.s. Don't I know you from somewhere? the AML?

Posted by The Plaid Skull on May 10, 1997 at 00:13:25 PDT

Captain America#8 was great!!!! Hey, I'm a poet but I didn't know it!!! Anyways, The Sons of the Serpents made to look like a neo-nazi, inbreeding, oakie from Nascogy(no offense to southerners) group even though the founders of the Sons was a Chinese and black guy!! Wuzup with that?!!! How do hillbillies get weapons like that?!! And didn't the Sons have uniforms? All they wore was masks!! Oh,yeah I also noticed a stereotype!! Why is it in all the southern towns that are depicted on TV and movies and comics the sherrif is fat and has a mustache and the deputy is skinny and dumb? Wuzup with that?!!! Well, it was a damn ood story and they're bound to explain how the Sons got such Star Wars like weapons!! Something tells me that the Skull is behind this somehow!!

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...The Plaid Skull was there!!

Posted by Batroc on May 10, 1997 at 07:11:18 PDT
in reply to Re: Weren't you Crucified? (416), posted by Roscoe on May 10, 1997 at 00:02:20 PDT

> > > > In the best interests of Captain America, all of us need to
> > > > check our correspondance with the Plaid Skull. The man is a
> > > > self confessed villian who suffers from the ebola virus. What
> > > > do we really know about this man ? Is he really a man? We know that
> > > > that he is fascinated with numbers. He may have his own agenda for
> > > > a new America contrary to Steve Rogers American way. I call for
> > > > a full investigation!!!
> > > > Roscoe, this is posted in a toungue-in-cheek manner is not intended
> > > > to offend anyone for that is the way of honor, that is the way of
> > > > BATROC the Leaper.........
> > > Hey, i'm just a dead auto-mechanic, no need to ask my permission. Still, it's just not in the spirit of Captain America to lambaste a dude because he has a different opinion, that's all I meant.
> > > -Roscoe
What is the AML? In truth I am one of the southerners that Plaid
Skull makes fun of. That's why I wanted the background check on him.
Now my character, Batroc, was considered Cap's equal In TOS #76,
but since then I have become somewhat of a joke. I do build up the
Captain's self esteem because he has beat the hell out of me a zillion
times,,for that is the way of Honor the way of BATROC the Leaper....

Posted by jamie on May 10, 1997 at 19:46:46 PDT

Dear Readers,

Read Captain America # 8 ? I guess the story was okay, but
both artists kind of got to me . The art was much too cartoony .
Although it was nice to see Cap wearing his shield on his back,
and finally getting his "A" on his head, it still didn't make up for
the art . For instance, check out the first, and the worst, artist
of the issue : Sandra .
She draws Steve feminime ! Distgusting !

We need Waid and Garney more than ever to save the day
now . Cap is in SERIOUS trouble now ! We must warn everybody
now !

WAID ! GARNEY ! WE NEED YOU ! AHHHHHH !
jamie

Posted by You know Day divides the Night... on May 11, 1997 at 06:18:20 PDT
in reply to CAPTAIN AMERICA # 8 - just shows you how much we need Waid and Garney to save the day ........ (419), posted by jamie on May 10, 1997 at 19:46:46 PDT

»
> Dear Readers,
> Read Captain America # 8 ? I guess the story was okay, but
> both artists kind of got to me . The art was much too cartoony .
> Although it was nice to see Cap wearing his shield on his back,
> and finally getting his "A" on his head, it still didn't make up for
> the art . For instance, check out the first, and the worst, artist
> of the issue : Sandra .
> She draws Steve feminime ! Distgusting !
»
> We need Waid and Garney more than ever to save the day
> now . Cap is in SERIOUS trouble now ! We must warn everybody
> now !
> WAID ! GARNEY ! WE NEED YOU ! AHHHHHH !
> jamie
We never agree! I liked Cap #8. The art could have been better and
I agree the Serpents did have full uniforms (maybe they spent all of
their funds on hardware). But I liked the premise and story and he
ditched Bucky Ann. I'm just know reading Grisham's THE CHAMBER. With
Cap, TURNER DIARIES, and T. McVeigh, I am overloaded w/racism.**Batro

Posted by BATROC on May 11, 1997 at 06:56:27 PDT

Cap's indestructable shield has morphed into different sizes in his
career. I guess it was the Pym particles. Somethimes it's as big
as his upper body. Sometimes it's the size of a trash can lid.
Stick with me guys. It would fit on his back under his police
man's uniform or his street clothes. He was kidnapped by two
acquaintances drug and bound to a chair in Cap #158 and no one
noticed the indestructable buldge in his back. Before this time, he
carried it in an artist's portfolio (early Avengers).
I've been mired in sarcasm on the Avengers board about the size
of Thor's hammer. BUT, Kurt, Mark, (anyone but Liefield) what are
the dimensions on that whirling disk?
The way of Honor................BATROC

Posted by The Plaid Skull on May 11, 1997 at 09:40:59 PDT
in reply to Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA # 8 - just shows you how much we need Waid and Garney to save the day ........ (420), posted by You know Day divides the Night... on May 11, 1997 at 06:18:20 PDT

> »
> > Dear Readers,
> > Read Captain America # 8 ? I guess the story was okay, but
> > both artists kind of got to me . The art was much too cartoony .
> > Although it was nice to see Cap wearing his shield on his back,
> > and finally getting his "A" on his head, it still didn't make up for
> > the art . For instance, check out the first, and the worst, artist
> > of the issue : Sandra .
> > She draws Steve feminime ! Distgusting !
> »
> > We need Waid and Garney more than ever to save the day
> > now . Cap is in SERIOUS trouble now ! We must warn everybody
> > now !
> > WAID ! GARNEY ! WE NEED YOU ! AHHHHHH !
> > jamie
> We never agree! I liked Cap #8. The art could have been better and
> I agree the Serpents did have full uniforms (maybe they spent all of
> their funds on hardware). But I liked the premise and story and he
> ditched Bucky Ann. I'm just know reading Grisham's THE CHAMBER. With
> Cap, TURNER DIARIES, and T. McVeigh, I am overloaded w/racism.**Batro

Ugh!! A racist on the board? Cap would frown upon you!:(

Cya
The Plaid Skull

Posted by Alvaro on May 11, 1997 at 12:05:36 PDT

Is it true that Marvel has sent Liefeld a cease and desist order to stop him from publishing his Agent America mini-series?

Just wondering.

Alvaro

Posted by Citizen V on May 11, 1997 at 12:23:51 PDT

Did anyone else hear about Liefeld's 'Agent America?' This guy is #$&@ing me off! How dare he twist Jack and Stan's masterpiece! Grrr!

Citizen V

Posted by Rob on May 11, 1997 at 13:19:46 PDT
in reply to Loser Liefeld (424), posted by Citizen V on May 11, 1997 at 12:23:51 PDT

> Did anyone else hear about Liefeld's 'Agent America?' This guy is #$&@ing me off! How dare he twist Jack and Stan's masterpiece! Grrr!

> Citizen V

Cap was created by Joe Simon & Jack Kirby, if that's what you meant. Stan Lee was only a teenager at the time. I think Marvel ought to have a little caption crediting Simon & Kirby the same way DC credits Superman to Siegel & Shuster, etc. I understand that a Variety ad a few years back made the same error of crediting the creation of Cap to Stan Lee. So maybe Marvel ought to give regular recognition to Simon & Kirby.

Rob

Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on May 11, 1997 at 13:56:46 PDT
in reply to Agent America (423), posted by Alvaro on May 11, 1997 at 12:05:36 PDT

> Is it true that Marvel has sent Liefeld a cease and desist order to stop him from publishing his Agent America mini-series?

> Just wondering.

> Alvaro

Yeah they sure have Alvaro.......

Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on May 11, 1997 at 13:58:20 PDT
in reply to Loser Liefeld (424), posted by Citizen V on May 11, 1997 at 12:23:51 PDT

> Did anyone else hear about Liefeld's 'Agent America?' This guy is #$&@ing me off! How dare he twist Jack and Stan's masterpiece! Grrr!

> Citizen V

Hummmm you know I could not of said this in a more nicer way than you did, so I want even try.

Thanks, Hal/Wally in 2000

Posted by Batroc on May 11, 1997 at 14:43:32 PDT
in reply to Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA # 8 - just shows you how much we need Waid and Garney to save the day ........ (422), posted by The Plaid Skull on May 11, 1997 at 09:40:59 PDT

> > »
> > > Dear Readers,
> > > Read Captain America # 8 ? I guess the story was okay, but
> > > both artists kind of got to me . The art was much too cartoony .
> > > Although it was nice to see Cap wearing his shield on his back,
> > > and finally getting his "A" on his head, it still didn't make up for
> > > the art . For instance, check out the first, and the worst, artist
> > > of the issue : Sandra .
> > > She draws Steve feminime ! Distgusting !
> > »
> > > We need Waid and Garney more than ever to save the day
> > > now . Cap is in SERIOUS trouble now ! We must warn everybody
> > > now !
> > > WAID ! GARNEY ! WE NEED YOU ! AHHHHHH !
> > > jamie
> > We never agree! I liked Cap #8. The art could have been better and
> > I agree the Serpents did have full uniforms (maybe they spent all of
> > their funds on hardware). But I liked the premise and story and he
> > ditched Bucky Ann. I'm just know reading Grisham's THE CHAMBER. With
> > Cap, TURNER DIARIES, and T. McVeigh, I am overloaded w/racism.**Batro

> Ugh!! A racist on the board? Cap would frown upon you!:(

>
> Cya
> The Plaid Skull

Posted by Batroc on May 11, 1997 at 14:50:02 PDT
in reply to Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA # 8 - just shows you how much we need Waid and Garney to save the day ........ (428), posted by Batroc on May 11, 1997 at 14:43:32 PDT

>
> > > »
> > > > Dear Readers,
> > > > Read Captain America # 8 ? I guess the story was okay, but
> > > > both artists kind of got to me . The art was much too cartoony .
> > > > Although it was nice to see Cap wearing his shield on his back,
> > > > and finally getting his "A" on his head, it still didn't make up for
> > > > the art . For instance, check out the first, and the worst, artist
> > > > of the issue : Sandra .
> > > > She draws Steve feminime ! Distgusting !
> > > »
> > > > We need Waid and Garney more than ever to save the day
> > > > now . Cap is in SERIOUS trouble now ! We must warn everybody
> > > > now !
> > > > WAID ! GARNEY ! WE NEED YOU ! AHHHHHH !
> > > > jamie
> > > We never agree! I liked Cap #8. The art could have been better and
> > > I agree the Serpents did have full uniforms (maybe they spent all of
> > > their funds on hardware). But I liked the premise and story and he
> > > ditched Bucky Ann. I'm just know reading Grisham's THE CHAMBER. With
> > > Cap, TURNER DIARIES, and T. McVeigh, I am overloaded w/racism.**Batro

> > Ugh!! A racist on the board? Cap would frown upon you!:(

> >
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Skull

Skull, you treacherous, ruthless...(Hey, that is how you
describe yourself). My post on Cap #8 without my
trademark signature merely tried to say that racism seems
to be a very contemporary issue at present with the McVeigh
trial et, al. Now, Winghead tackles the Sons of the Serpent
in Texas. Try not to cast me as Mark Fuhrman. Try to cast
me as a man full of honor. For THAT is the way of BATROC
the Leaper.

Posted by Michael Mcgee on May 11, 1997 at 16:48:42 PDT

Hello fellow crime fighters. I'm looking for any
pictures of the man in blue for idea's for a project
i'm doing. I'm building a Pro Street car and doing a
Captain America theme and would like some help with
some drawings to look at. My car is a 79 Chevy Malibu
which is blue. If anyone can help me please drop me
an e-mail at MACATTACK@webtv.net . Thanks and let's
keep the streets safe and clear of crime.

Posted by The Patriot on May 11, 1997 at 22:39:20 PDT

I started collecting Captain America comics back in 1978. I didnt always think the artists or the stories were the greatest, butin many ways the way Cap's persona was presented, never changed. The best stories in my opinion were done by Roger Stern/John Byrne and of course Waid and Garney. What a shame I thought it was when I heard that Rob Liefeld would take over. Waid and Garney really brought some class to Cap and I miss them. I picked up the first couple of issues of Rob Liefeld's books and almost yaked. Really he is a good artist, but does this guy know how to write??? Things happened with no explanation, Cap was in the space of a few scenes a great fighter and then a wimp to be beat up on by anyone. I thought the clincher was in the first issue where Steve Rogers used his shield to slice through some guy with the blood squirting. This ain't Cap. Liefeld is so used to the violence over at Image that it spilled over here. Eh...I'm rambling now....but in closing....GIVE US A REAL WRITER WHO RESPECTS CAP....

Posted by STRYKER on May 11, 1997 at 23:02:02 PDT

EXCUSE ME -------

BUT THE MESSAGE I POSTED WAS
DELETED MR WEBMASTER!

I AM NOT ROB LIEFELD AND ROB LIEFELD
DID NOT 'IMPERSONATE' ME ---

YOU IDIOT --- MY MESSAGE WAS
REALLY CONSTRUCTIVE AND MY MESSAGE
WAS GENUINE -- MR WEBMASTER --PLEASE
TELL ME YOUR REASON FOR THINKING I WAS ROB
LIEFELD....
KEEP SMILIN'
--STRYKER

• STRYKER"S LAIR
• http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~topcow/joker.gif

Posted by Flanel American on May 12, 1997 at 05:54:57 PDT
in reply to The Real Captain America....IMHO (431), posted by The Patriot on May 11, 1997 at 22:39:20 PDT

> I started collecting Captain America comics back in 1978. I didnt always think the artists or the stories were the greatest, butin many ways the way Cap's persona was presented, never changed. The best stories in my opinion were done by Roger Stern/John Byrne and of course Waid and Garney. What a shame I thought it was when I heard that Rob Liefeld would take over. Waid and Garney really brought some class to Cap and I miss them. I picked up the first couple of issues of Rob Liefeld's books and almost yaked. Really he is a good artist, but does this guy know how to write??? Things happened with no explanation, Cap was in the space of a few scenes a great fighter and then a wimp to be beat up on by anyone. I thought the clincher was in the first issue where Steve Rogers used his shield to slice through some guy with the blood squirting. This ain't Cap. Liefeld is so used to the violence over at Image that it spilled over here. Eh...I'm rambling now....but in closing....GIVE US A REAL WRITER WHO RESPECTS CAP....

>Man you just stated what most people around the world think! I too have been reading Captain America since 1976 and miss the old classic style of writing and drawing that Cap. needs.

And to let you know are prayers have been answered Mark Waid and Ron Garney both will be returning to work on Cap. in about 4 more months. See this just proves that there is a God.

Flanel American

Posted by Hal/Wally the next generation on May 12, 1997 at 07:00:25 PDT

I am #2600

Hal/Wally the next generation!!!!!!!!

Posted by harry on May 12, 1997 at 13:11:32 PDT
in reply to The size of that thing (421), posted by BATROC on May 11, 1997 at 06:56:27 PDT

> I've been mired in sarcasm on the Avengers board about the size
> of Thor's hammer. BUT, Kurt, Mark, (anyone but Liefield) what are
> the dimensions on that whirling disk?
> The way of Honor................BATROC
From everything that I've read and seen the shield is supposed to be two and a half feet in diameter. Which is a very functional size for a round shield. Though I personally prefer a heater.

Posted by Roscoe on May 12, 1997 at 22:41:49 PDT

The AML is the Avengers Mailing List. For some reason it wouldn't allow me to post a reply to your original post about this.

-Roscoe

Posted by Ben Camp on May 13, 1997 at 10:06:28 PDT
in reply to You Said It...................... (433), posted by Flanel American on May 12, 1997 at 05:54:57 PDT

>
> > I started collecting Captain America comics back in 1978. I didnt always think the artists or the stories were the greatest, butin many ways the way Cap's persona was presented, never changed. The best stories in my opinion were done by Roger Stern/John Byrne and of course Waid and Garney. What a shame I thought it was when I heard that Rob Liefeld would take over. Waid and Garney really brought some class to Cap and I miss them. I picked up the first couple of issues of Rob Liefeld's books and almost yaked. Really he is a good artist, but does this guy know how to write??? Things happened with no explanation, Cap was in the space of a few scenes a great fighter and then a wimp to be beat up on by anyone. I thought the clincher was in the first issue where Steve Rogers used his shield to slice through some guy with the blood squirting. This ain't Cap. Liefeld is so used to the violence over at Image that it spilled over here. Eh...I'm rambling now....but in closing....GIVE US A REAL WRITER WHO RESPECTS CAP....

> >Man you just stated what most people around the world think! I too have been reading Captain America since 1976 and miss the old classic style of writing and drawing that Cap. needs.

> And to let you know are prayers have been answered Mark Waid and Ron Garney both will be returning to work on Cap. in about 4 more months. See this just proves that there is a God.

> Flanel American

Have you seen issue number 8 by Phillips and Robinson? It really ain't that bad . It sure is a nice break from Liefeild

Grimjack

Posted by David Medinnus on May 13, 1997 at 12:52:23 PDT
in reply to EXCUSE ME >>>> (432), posted by STRYKER on May 11, 1997 at 23:02:02 PDT

Dear Stryker,

I deleted the entire thread begun by the post by "Liefield".

I also delete things which are over three weeks old so that the board doesn't get too unwieldy.

I would also prefer to discuss any problems you might have with the way I run the board in private, not public; public scrutiny doesn't bother me (for any number of reasons).

Thanx.

-DM

Posted by Hydro-Man on May 13, 1997 at 13:02:29 PDT
in reply to Agent America (423), posted by Alvaro on May 11, 1997 at 12:05:36 PDT

Alvaro, it is true. It is so true that is already for sale in American Entertainment Catalog #93. It turns out that Liefeld's comic is his revenge! Leifeld isn't getting mad... he's getting even! Hey, wouldn't you be pissed if you were fired after only a year's work? Well anyhow, it looks cool.

Posted by Hydro-Man on May 13, 1997 at 13:08:43 PDT
in reply to Loser Liefeld (424), posted by Citizen V on May 11, 1997 at 12:23:51 PDT

I agree he shouldn't twist the work around! It is wrong! He was pissed that he was fired... to tell you the truth, I'd of been pissed too. But that ain't a reason to copy someone else's masterpiece. Captain America was one of Marvel's original comics. No matter how hard they try, nobody can capture the stories and art of Marvel's Captain America! Even though Liefeld is a biter, the comic looks OK... but not as good as Captain America!

Posted by Batroc on May 13, 1997 at 17:51:34 PDT
in reply to Re: The size of that thing (435), posted by harry on May 12, 1997 at 13:11:32 PDT

> > I've been mired in sarcasm on the Avengers board about the size
> > of Thor's hammer. BUT, Kurt, Mark, (anyone but Liefield) what are
> > the dimensions on that whirling disk?
> > The way of Honor................BATROC
> From everything that I've read and seen the shield is supposed to be two and a half feet in diameter. Which is a very functional size for a round shield. Though I personally prefer a heater.
Where did you read that? Also a heater to a Shield? Try fighting
with only your feet. For that is the way of Honor ...the way
of Batroc the Leaper!

Posted by Batroc on May 13, 1997 at 17:57:01 PDT
in reply to Batroc: AML (436), posted by Roscoe on May 12, 1997 at 22:41:49 PDT

> The AML is the Avengers Mailing List. For some reason it wouldn't allow me to post a reply to your original post about this.
> -Roscoe
No not a member. Hey, what were we originally discussing? I Can't
remember. Something about the Captain. Oh, I liked the latest Cap
and I'm glad Waid and Garney is coming back.

Posted by Ghost Rider on May 13, 1997 at 18:23:26 PDT

If your a real marvel fan come here.

• Marvel

Posted by Hydro-Man on May 13, 1997 at 19:00:56 PDT
in reply to Re: Agent America (439), posted by Hydro-Man on May 13, 1997 at 13:02:29 PDT

Boy did I word that wrong! What I meant to say is that the cease is true, but Marvel is too late. Agent America #1 is for sale in American Entertainment #93! Sorry about the way I worded it the first time!

Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on May 14, 1997 at 09:28:27 PDT

Captain America is the example that all heores should be mesured by. Emboided in him are the true values that everyone of us should live by today. He is always willing to help out no matter what the odds. He will always be there no matter what. And he is the greatest hero of all time in my opinion. All these things make Captain America the greatest comic hero of all time.

Hal/Wally in 2000

Posted by The Doctor on May 14, 1997 at 16:42:20 PDT
in reply to Captain America (445), posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on May 14, 1997 at 09:28:27 PDT

> Captain America is the example that all heores should be mesured by. Emboided in him are the true values that everyone of us should live by today. He is always willing to help out no matter what the odds. He will always be there no matter what. And he is the greatest hero of all time in my opinion. All these things make Captain America the greatest comic hero of all time.

> Hal/Wally in 2000

I agree! (Although I put him at #2 behind Spidey) He is a true example for the other heroes as well as for the readers as to what we should all strive to be .....a good, decent, hardworking individual.

The Doctor (great now I said like Cap)

Posted by Arcade on May 14, 1997 at 18:43:57 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America (446), posted by The Doctor on May 14, 1997 at 16:42:20 PDT

> > Captain America is the example that all heores should be mesured by. Emboided in him are the true values that everyone of us should live by today. He is always willing to help out no matter what the odds. He will always be there no matter what. And he is the greatest hero of all time in my opinion. All these things make Captain America the greatest comic hero of all time.

> > Hal/Wally in 2000

> I agree! (Although I put him at #2 behind Spidey) He is a true example for the other heroes as well as for the readers as to what we should all strive to be .....a good, decent, hardworking individual.

> The Doctor (great now I said like Cap)

In Amazing 363, our beloved web-head has this to say about the Cap...

"Cap wouldn't have given his word! He'd have found another way, a perfect solution! He's a legend! But I'm just a man!"

I'm not bashing Spidey here, just giving him a big pat on the back for stating the obvious: Cap is the man.

Posted by The Doctor on May 14, 1997 at 20:07:04 PDT
in reply to Re: Captain America (447), posted by Arcade on May 14, 1997 at 18:43:57 PDT

> > > Captain America is the example that all heores should be mesured by. Emboided in him are the true values that everyone of us should live by today. He is always willing to help out no matter what the odds. He will always be there no matter what. And he is the greatest hero of all time in my opinion. All these things make Captain America the greatest comic hero of all time.

> > > Hal/Wally in 2000

> > I agree! (Although I put him at #2 behind Spidey) He is a true example for the other heroes as well as for the readers as to what we should all strive to be .....a good, decent, hardworking individual.

> > The Doctor (great now I said like Cap)

> In Amazing 363, our beloved web-head has this to say about the Cap...

> "Cap wouldn't have given his word! He'd have found another way, a perfect solution! He's a legend! But I'm just a man!"

> I'm not bashing Spidey here, just giving him a big pat on the back for stating the obvious: Cap is the man.

Oops the He in my statement was for Cap not Spidey. Cap is the best. Spidey's just my personal hero. I have goota proofread my posts from now on.

The Doctor