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Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on June 08, 1997 at 05:25:35 PDT I just wanted to tell you that it is 6 days till I get to meet the Cap. gods themselves, Waid and Garney. Tell you all if I find out anything about whats going to happen when they come back. Hal/Wally in 2000 |
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Posted by Batroc on June 08, 1997 at 06:27:23 PDT
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Posted by Steven O'Connell on June 08, 1997 at 08:14:37 PDT
Question... I might want to pick them up in the back issue bin (If I can find them)
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 08, 1997 at 09:48:29 PDT
> >>>Yesterday and today, featured what I belive was Nashville's *sigh* That's what you get for asking about the first genocidal maniac to dawn the Red Skull! When are you going to learn that asking about old nazis is gonna get you into trouble? In the future my decendent should build a Teriminator robot to go after Liefield and force him to read every single book he's written! That'll teach him! Speaking of Diary wouldn't it be cool if they had a one shot or four shot of the Red Skull's diary? Like the Osborn Journals except that Schmidt's life is more extensive! Like a four parter! That would be cool!
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Posted by Rob on June 08, 1997 at 10:50:38 PDT
> I might want to pick them up in the back issue bin (If I can find them)
I nominate Garney's #448 as one of the worst covers in Cap history. And Cap practically tries to decapitate the Red Skull in this issue. Maybe when I get the Waid/Garney issues that I'm missing (#446, 447, 454), & actually sit down & read their run, i might enjoy it more, but from just looking through some of it, it doesn't look like it deserves all the praise it gets. Rob |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 08, 1997 at 22:17:40 PDT > I just wanted to tell you that it is 6 days till I get to meet the Cap. gods themselves, Waid and Garney. Tell you all if I find out anything about whats going to happen when they come back. > Hal/Wally in 2000 I really enjoyed Waid and Garney's work on Captain America. However, the Cap pantheon of gods includes only 4 people. Joe Simon That's it. Maybe Waid and Garney can join in 15 years, but we'll have to wait till then to find out. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-26.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.58) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 08, 1997 at 22:22:37 PDT
> > > I might want to pick them up in the back issue bin (If I can find them) > > I nominate Garney's #448 as one of the worst covers in Cap history. And Cap practically tries to decapitate the Red Skull in this issue. Maybe when I get the Waid/Garney issues that I'm missing (#446, 447, 454), & actually sit down & read their run, i might enjoy it more, but from just looking through some of it, it doesn't look like it deserves all the praise it gets. > Rob Cap creaming the Red Skull was a little extreme. Yeah, the cover of #448 isn't great, but Garney had some seriously great covers. His first, with the shield lying on the steps to the Lincoln Memorial was very nice (except for the horrible Dragon Power Cards add in the top corner, or whatever that was). The cover of the next issue (#445 I think) is one of the best ever. Seriously, this is a great cover. Both covers for #450 are nice and the last two covers are really nice as well. I really enjoyed the Waid/Garney Cap and wish it had continued long enough for Waid to get into the Cap supporting characters, etc. As it was it ended just as he had finished his storyline about Sharon Carter (who should have remained long dead, that was a big mistake). -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-26.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.58) |
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Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on June 09, 1997 at 06:24:57 PDT
> > I might want to pick them up in the back issue bin (If I can find them) > > I nominate Garney's #448 as one of the worst covers in Cap history. And Cap practically tries to decapitate the Red Skull in this issue. Maybe when I get the Waid/Garney issues that I'm missing (#446, 447, 454), & actually sit down & read their run, i might enjoy it more, but from just looking through some of it, it doesn't look like it deserves all the praise it gets. > Rob Ok first of any Garney cover was 1000 times better than any of the Robsuck covers! As for the above question yes there is a TB but I do not rember the titile. As for you paying 25 cents for some Waid Caps. can you please get me some more, I have never seen them priced that low! Usually 450 is six bucks. Hal/Wally in 2000 Host = 205.245.112.67 (205.245.112.67) |
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Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on June 09, 1997 at 06:26:09 PDT
> > I might want to pick them up in the back issue bin (If I can find them) > > I nominate Garney's #448 as one of the worst covers in Cap history. And Cap practically tries to decapitate the Red Skull in this issue. Maybe when I get the Waid/Garney issues that I'm missing (#446, 447, 454), & actually sit down & read their run, i might enjoy it more, but from just looking through some of it, it doesn't look like it deserves all the praise it gets. > Rob Ok first of any Garney cover was 1000 times better than any of the Robsuck covers! As for the above question yes there is a TB but I do not rember the titile. As for you paying 25 cents for some Waid Caps. can you please get me some more, I have never seen them priced that low! Usually 450 is six bucks. Hal/Wally in 2000 Host = 205.245.112.67 (205.245.112.67) |
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Posted by Hiroshi on June 09, 1997 at 09:29:08 PDT
I think that's the title of the TPB, "Operation:Rebirth" that is. Actually Garney skipped an issue somewhere between 444-454. It was the tie-in issue to the Zodiac storyline also running in the Avengers, Thor, and Iron Man titles that month. Host = 199.222.162.39 (199.222.162.39) |
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Posted by Hiroshi on June 09, 1997 at 09:31:08 PDT
> Question... > I might want to pick them up in the back issue bin (If I can find them) Sorry, I failed to post it as a followup to your message. Again, I think the TPB is title "Operation: Rebirth" which was the running title for the story arc. Host = 199.222.162.39 (199.222.162.39) |
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Posted by Hiroshi on June 09, 1997 at 09:33:53 PDT
> Ha! That scummy bastard Liefeld is off Cap! That loser not only desecrated Cap's uniform with that stupid winged thing on his head, but the storyline was absolutely pathetic! And now he thinks we're supposed to feel sorry for him and buy his crappy 'Agent America?' Not a chance! Who's with me? I don't usually condone violence as a way of solving problems, but in Liefeld's case I'll make a big exception! Host = 199.222.162.39 (199.222.162.39) |
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Posted by Hiroshi on June 09, 1997 at 09:35:48 PDT
> > Nahh. Kill him first. More humane. :) > -DM
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Posted by Hiroshi on June 09, 1997 at 09:43:04 PDT
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Posted by Rob on June 09, 1997 at 12:07:31 PDT
> Hal/Wally in 2000
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 09, 1997 at 12:08:25 PDT I think there should be such thing as the Red Skull diaries! A good insight of why and how he actually became so evil and what's his motivation and his evil exploits! It should be a 4 parter LS because the Red Skull's life is so extensive in diary form like the Osbron Journlas! I mean Spidey's enemy got a one-shot, so did Cable's, and so did the Jackal why can't Cap's enemy have one?!! I think it would be great!!
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Posted by Rob on June 09, 1997 at 12:40:26 PDT Well, I just looked through #448-453 finally...skimming in some places, reading thoroughly in other places (basically I liked the stuff where it involved the people talking -- like Cap talking to the Prez -- and not so much the fight-scene stuff). And so, I have to say that I enjoyed some bits (Machinesmith in the Prez's "football," for example) and not so much other bits. I liked some of the dialogue, but some of it got on my nerves. I still don't understand why Sharon calls Cap "Rogers" instead of "Steve." It doesn't ring true. I see from the letters-pages that some readers had a problem with Sharon's hair (I simply didn't like the Pam Anderson look) and I'd agree that a short cut would be more appropriate for her present edgy style. Not that I liked that change; I preferred the old Sharon. I have a problem whenever people don't show Cap the respect he deserves. And Sharon should already be well-aware that Cap deserves respect in the fighting dept. Some of the dialogue doesn't ring true...sounds like a writer writing-down to his audience. Waid should not have had Sharon talking about "Beavis and Butthead" and saying "duh." Cap should not be saying "whatever." Some of the facial expressions could be better. Although Garney has done passably well showing Cap's determination (personally I find the chin too big and the frowning mouth almost satirical in its exaggeration), we have not seen much of Cap smiling. Some of the best Cap artists like Byrne and Zeck often had Cap smiling naturally, and in that grin would could get a sense of the goodness of the hero. Waid has said: "Steve Rogers is a man lost in time. He likes art deco and Benny Goodman. Although it may be an interesting bit to show that, it is not of interest to kids." (Collector's Preview, 1995; p. 5). Roger Stern, however, took the opposite approach, showing Cap's interest in big-band music and musicals and that remains one of the best eras in the title's history. Why not appeal to both the adult & young audience, who certainly wouldn't stop buying the book if a few scenes of Cap's taste in music were shown. The late Gruenwald claimed in the same article: "In the forties, everyone was patriotic....In the nineties, nobody is except him (Cap)." Obviously, the Forties were intensely & blatantly patriotic because of the War, but to depict a 1990s where Cap is the only patriot doesn't reflect reality. Cap's comic should be a comic that makes one proud to be an American, not a depressing experience. Cap should appeal to the optimism of youth and the optimism America represents, not the cynicism prevalent in the media. Cap's creative team should look at the national pride one sees in Comely Comix's Captain Canuck series, and bring a similar pride in country to Captain America. Not an exaggerated pride which looks like satire. Look at how Cap reacted to the Busby Berkeley-type spectacle in Bi-Centennial Battles (1976), and how he preferred the sound of an old man playing the fiddle in the country to such garish exaggeration. Obviously when Waid and Garney return to Cap, there will be a lot of excitement, and people will cut them a lot of slack, just glad to have the real Cap back. But I still haven't decided whether I will follow the title when it returns or not. I still haven't been sold on Waid & Garney entirely. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by Bubba2 on June 09, 1997 at 13:24:27 PDT Rob said: [stuff snipped] > I liked some of the dialogue, but some of it got on my nerves. I still don't understand why Sharon calls Cap "Rogers" instead of "Steve." It doesn't ring true. I see from the letters-pages that some readers had a problem with Sharon's hair (I simply didn't like the Pam Anderson look) and I'd agree that a short cut would be more appropriate for her present edgy style. Not that I liked that change; I preferred the old Sharon. I have a problem whenever people don't show Cap the respect he deserves. And Sharon should already be well-aware that Cap deserves respect in the fighting dept. > Some of the dialogue doesn't ring true...sounds like a writer writing-down to his audience. Waid should not have had Sharon talking about "Beavis and Butthead" and saying "duh." Cap should not be saying "whatever." > Some of the facial expressions could be better. Although Garney has done passably well showing Cap's determination (personally I find the chin too big and the frowning mouth almost satirical in its exaggeration), we have not seen much of Cap smiling. Some of the best Cap artists like Byrne and Zeck often had Cap smiling naturally, and in that grin would could get a sense of the goodness of the hero. [more stuff snipped] I just wanted to say thanks for a reasoned critique of Waid/Garney. Although I disagree with some of the points made, it is really refreshing to hear someone post their grievances in a logical and sane manner. I am one of those who look forward to Waid/Garney being back on Cap, and I'll be glad when the Imagization of Cap is over. I just wanted to say to Rob, "Thanks for expressing your reasons in a manner inviting dialogue, rather than by flaming and flame bait!" I realize that nothing I say could make you enjoy the Waid/Garney series more than you did, but I am glad that you might give them a chance when they come back! Oh, and thanks for the walk down memory lane with all the authors' views of Cap, that was interesting! Happy Birthday, Bubba2 Host = leo-percer.baylor.edu (129.62.3.126) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 09, 1997 at 15:11:33 PDT Liefield got premission from Kirby's widow and Joe Simon to use the name "Fighting American" in his Agent America series! I got this little tid bit from Jonah Weiland's board and the guy who got there got it at Usenet!
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Posted by TLesch on June 09, 1997 at 17:01:00 PDT
> Guys, Hiroshi, I work at Planet. I'm going to check into this, because it sounds too weird. Since the restaurants are filled with authentic movie memorabilia, that Cap would have to have been used in a movie by someone. It may have been from a parade scene or Halloween scene or some such. It wasn't from that movie of a few years back, was it? You know, the one with that Salinger guy in the rubber Cap suit? The expense, now that is the typical tourist-trap stuff... The good news (or maybe not), the menu is getting a facelift. I still love the crunchy chicken though! E-mail me the next (if ever) time you go to PH, could you? Thanks, bud! Host = pm11-05.magicnet.net (206.104.204.70) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 09, 1997 at 17:10:41 PDT > Liefield got premission from Kirby's widow and Joe Simon to use the name "Fighting American" in his Agent America series! I got this little tid bit from Jonah Weiland's board and the guy who got there got it at Usenet! > > This proves that neither of the two mentioned above follow comic news and that both were in need of money. Host = 155.42.32.16 (155.42.32.16) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 09, 1997 at 17:14:08 PDT > Liefield got premission from Kirby's widow and Joe Simon to use the name "Fighting American" in his Agent America series! I got this little tid bit from Jonah Weiland's board and the guy who got there got it at Usenet! > > How'd he pull that one off? It's bad news, since it could prop up the series. This comic should die a quick death, not get a booster shot! I think it trivializes the work of Simon & Kirby! New (and younger) fans will get the idea (if they haven't already) that these guys were hacks! Agent America slings mud onto the piece of comic history that is Captain America. People will get the impression that Agent America is somehow "the flavor" of Cap and/or Fighting American. FA was great satire! However, it takes good writing to make satire, and I'm sorry, but you can't get through a book by Rob's people without some glaring grammatical error of some sort(and tell your letterers and "editors" to learn how to spell). English Lit is really not one of the classes you should cut....anyway, I don't think that studio has the intelligence to rip-off Cap, redux FA AND make it satirical (GOOD LUCK)! Host = pm11-05.magicnet.net (206.104.204.70) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 09, 1997 at 17:42:16 PDT
> > Guys, > Hiroshi, I work at Planet. I'm going to check into this, because it sounds too weird. Since the restaurants are filled with authentic movie memorabilia, that Cap would have to have been used in a movie by someone. It may have been from a parade scene or Halloween scene or some such. It wasn't from that movie of a few years back, was it? You know, the one with that Salinger guy in the rubber Cap suit? The expense, now that is the typical tourist-trap stuff... The good news (or maybe not), the menu is getting a facelift. I still love the crunchy chicken though! E-mail me the next (if ever) time you go to PH, could you? Thanks, bud! Yep....I saw a bad copy of that flick on video. There was also a bad Cap series that ran for about one season on tv back in the 70's. Host = 155.42.32.16 (155.42.32.16) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 09, 1997 at 19:25:15 PDT
> > > Guys, > > Hiroshi, I work at Planet. I'm going to check into this, because it sounds too weird. Since the restaurants are filled with authentic movie memorabilia, that Cap would have to have been used in a movie by someone. It may have been from a parade scene or Halloween scene or some such. It wasn't from that movie of a few years back, was it? You know, the one with that Salinger guy in the rubber Cap suit? The expense, now that is the typical tourist-trap stuff... The good news (or maybe not), the menu is getting a facelift. I still love the crunchy chicken though! E-mail me the next (if ever) time you go to PH, could you? Thanks, bud! > Yep....I saw a bad copy of that flick on video. There was also a bad Cap series that ran for about one season on tv back in the 70's.
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Posted by Batroc on June 09, 1997 at 19:36:15 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on June 09, 1997 at 19:49:14 PDT
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 09, 1997 at 20:16:43 PDT
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Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! Host = bak-ca1-09.ix.netcom.com (204.32.156.41) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 09, 1997 at 20:36:33 PDT
> > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! ^^^Skull you ruthless...you and Medinnus are the ones who Host = pmc102.aeneas.net (207.65.53.131) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 09, 1997 at 20:48:30 PDT
O.K., here is one for my new bestest buddies Rob and Roscoe
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Posted by Rob on June 09, 1997 at 21:44:32 PDT
Last one i remember was #110...opening scene. And I seem to remember some letters complaining about it, so they dropped it. Am i right? Rob
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Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on June 09, 1997 at 22:02:53 PDT
> > > Hal/Wally in 2000 > > Rob
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 09, 1997 at 22:05:13 PDT
> > > > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > ^^^Skull you ruthless...you and Medinnus are the ones who Here ya go here is the adress to the villains of Marvel Comics if you haven't been there yet! In the Red Skull's bio it mentions that the Skull was originally named Maxon and so on! Here it is all you gotta do is go to the "Terrorism Inc." section and you'll find bios for Modok, AIM, Strucker, the Red Skull, etc.! Here goes:
You'll also see the "Whenever there is injustice,etc" quote from the old Cap cartoon! That cartoon was actually based on the comics!! Stories and all! If only Spidey and X-Men did that....
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Posted by Quicksilver on June 09, 1997 at 22:32:46 PDT
Ah, this one admittingly goes to Cap . Although I can defeat The Fast and Mighty, Quicksilver Host = bristlecone.frazmtn.com (204.212.38.12) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 09, 1997 at 22:59:17 PDT
> > Last one i remember was #110...opening scene. And I seem to remember some letters complaining about it, so they dropped it. Am i right? > Rob Yeck!! How can Cap be a role model to the little comic kids? I bet you Franklin Richards is going to start smoking because his father and his "Unca' Ben" smokes!! For that is the way of injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness that is the way of...... The Plaid Skull
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 10, 1997 at 08:43:54 PDT
> > > > Last one i remember was #110...opening scene. And I seem to remember some letters complaining about it, so they dropped it. Am i right? > > Rob > Yeck!! How can Cap be a role model to the little comic kids? I bet you Franklin Richards is going to start smoking because his father and his "Unca' Ben" smokes!! For that is the way of injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness that is the way of...... > Awwwww....in yer ear, ya Batroc wannabe!!!! Hey, I sounded like a native Yancy Streeter!!!!!
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Posted by Xer0 on June 10, 1997 at 08:51:44 PDT > Well, I just looked through #448-453 finally...skimming in some places, reading thoroughly in other places (basically I liked the stuff where it involved the people talking -- like Cap talking to the Prez -- and not so much the fight-scene stuff). And so, I have to say that I enjoyed some bits (Machinesmith in the Prez's "football," for example) and not so much other bits. > I liked some of the dialogue, but some of it got on my nerves. I still don't understand why Sharon calls Cap "Rogers" instead of "Steve." It doesn't ring true. I see from the letters-pages that some readers had a problem with Sharon's hair (I simply didn't like the Pam Anderson look) and I'd agree that a short cut would be more appropriate for her present edgy style. Not that I liked that change; I preferred the old Sharon. I have a problem whenever people don't show Cap the respect he deserves. And Sharon should already be well-aware that Cap deserves respect in the fighting dept. > Some of the dialogue doesn't ring true...sounds like a writer writing-down to his audience. Waid should not have had Sharon talking about "Beavis and Butthead" and saying "duh." Cap should not be saying "whatever." > Some of the facial expressions could be better. Although Garney has done passably well showing Cap's determination (personally I find the chin too big and the frowning mouth almost satirical in its exaggeration), we have not seen much of Cap smiling. Some of the best Cap artists like Byrne and Zeck often had Cap smiling naturally, and in that grin would could get a sense of the goodness of the hero. > Waid has said: "Steve Rogers is a man lost in time. He likes art deco and Benny Goodman. Although it may be an interesting bit to show that, it is not of interest to kids." (Collector's Preview, 1995; p. 5). Roger Stern, however, took the opposite approach, showing Cap's interest in big-band music and musicals and that remains one of the best eras in the title's history. Why not appeal to both the adult & young audience, who certainly wouldn't stop buying the book if a few scenes of Cap's taste in music were shown. > The late Gruenwald claimed in the same article: "In the forties, everyone was patriotic....In the nineties, nobody is except him (Cap)." Obviously, the Forties were intensely & blatantly patriotic because of the War, but to depict a 1990s where Cap is the only patriot doesn't reflect reality. Cap's comic should be a comic that makes one proud to be an American, not a depressing experience. Cap should appeal to the optimism of youth and the optimism America represents, not the cynicism prevalent in the media. Cap's creative team should look at the national pride one sees in Comely Comix's Captain Canuck series, and bring a similar pride in country to Captain America. Not an exaggerated pride which looks like satire. Look at how Cap reacted to the Busby Berkeley-type spectacle in Bi-Centennial Battles (1976), and how he preferred the sound of an old man playing the fiddle in the country to such garish exaggeration. But this IS true. Since the eighties there has been and increasing mistrust of the American goverenment by the common man. And rightly so. There is so much greed and graft in the US government. We mistrust our polititions and all their under-the-covers dealings. Today's youth just don't have the same pride, respect, and admiration for our country that we did in '76. I work with the youth. They are discouraged. If Cap was a real person and was into Ma, Baseball, apple pie, and the Flag he would be a laughing stock. Yet, we need heroes like Cap and Superguy. We need a healthy dose of anachronism in the skeptical 90's. Xero Host = 208.13.191.137 (208.13.191.137) |
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Posted by Hiroshi on June 10, 1997 at 09:39:40 PDT > Hiroshi, I work at Planet. I'm going to check into this, because it sounds too weird. Since the restaurants are filled with authentic movie memorabilia, that Cap would have to have been used in a movie by someone. It may have been from a parade scene or Halloween scene or some such. It wasn't from that movie of a few years back, was it? You know, the one with that Salinger guy in the rubber Cap suit? The expense, now that is the typical tourist-trap stuff... The good news (or maybe not), the menu is getting a facelift. I still love the crunchy chicken though! E-mail me the next (if ever) time you go to PH, could you? Thanks, bud! TLesch, from what I remember, the placard placed the costume as being from one of the television movies starring Reb Brown as Cap, not the Salinger fiasco. Well, the Reb Brown Cap wasn't any better, but anyway, it looks as if they misplaced or didn't get caps shorts so someone thought to put a pair of white scivvies on him and paint the red stripes to matchup with the stripes on the abdominal section of the shirt. It just looks plain tacky! Regarding the menu, the food was good (I had the Cajun chicken sandwich), don't get me wrong, and the service was really good, but the menu didn't thrill me a bit. I'm glad to hear it's getting a facelift. I'll be sure to e-mail you next time I make a trip down. Thanks, dude! Host = 199.222.162.39 (199.222.162.39) |
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Posted by Rob on June 10, 1997 at 10:07:46 PDT > > The late Gruenwald claimed in the same article: "In the forties, everyone was patriotic....In the nineties, nobody is except him (Cap)." Obviously, the Forties were intensely & blatantly patriotic because of the War, but to depict a 1990s where Cap is the only patriot doesn't reflect reality. Cap's comic should be a comic that makes one proud to be an American, not a depressing experience. Cap should appeal to the optimism of youth and the optimism America represents, not the cynicism prevalent in the media. Cap's creative team should look at the national pride one sees in Comely Comix's Captain Canuck series, and bring a similar pride in country to Captain America. Not an exaggerated pride which looks like satire. Look at how Cap reacted to the Busby Berkeley-type spectacle in Bi-Centennial Battles (1976), and how he preferred the sound of an old man playing the fiddle in the country to such garish exaggeration. > But this IS true. Since the eighties there has been and increasing mistrust of the American goverenment by the common man. And rightly so. There is so much greed and graft in the US government. We mistrust our polititions and all their under-the-covers dealings. > Today's youth just don't have the same pride, respect, and admiration for our country that we did in '76. I work with the youth. They are discouraged. If Cap was a real person and was into Ma, Baseball, apple pie, and the Flag he would be a laughing stock. Yet, we need heroes like Cap and Superguy. We need a healthy dose of anachronism in the skeptical 90's. > Xero
Incidentally, last night I went back and read the little "essays" that Roger Stern contributed to the letters-pages just prior and during his brief time as writer on the series, and I can only hope Waid has given as much thought to the character of Cap, and the direction of the comic, as Stern obviously had. Rob
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Posted by David Medinnus on June 10, 1997 at 12:38:39 PDT
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Posted by Rob on June 10, 1997 at 12:48:03 PDT I seem to recall some letters in old issues of Cap (around 1970) mentioning a book written by Ted White titled "The Great Gold Steal" which had Cap's origin in it. So, my question is...Was this a book on comics or what? I've never heard of it other than those cryptic references to it in those old Cap letters-pages...! Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by Dave Medinnus on June 10, 1997 at 15:42:26 PDT > Hiya. > Please come and take a poll on who should join Cap in the post-HR Avengers team. We've broken the 100-person mark on this (even after disqualifying the anonymous and duplicate entries - one jerk entered 47 times...) -DM
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Posted by TLesch on June 10, 1997 at 17:28:46 PDT > > Hiroshi, I work at Planet. I'm going to check into this, because it sounds too weird. Since the restaurants are filled with authentic movie memorabilia, that Cap would have to have been used in a movie by someone. It may have been from a parade scene or Halloween scene or some such. It wasn't from that movie of a few years back, was it? You know, the one with that Salinger guy in the rubber Cap suit? The expense, now that is the typical tourist-trap stuff... The good news (or maybe not), the menu is getting a facelift. I still love the crunchy chicken though! E-mail me the next (if ever) time you go to PH, could you? Thanks, bud! > TLesch, from what I remember, the placard placed the costume as being from one of the television movies starring Reb Brown as Cap, not the Salinger fiasco. Well, the Reb Brown Cap wasn't any better, but anyway, it looks as if they misplaced or didn't get caps shorts so someone thought to put a pair of white scivvies on him and paint the red stripes to matchup with the stripes on the abdominal section of the shirt. It just looks plain tacky! Regarding the menu, the food was good (I had the Cajun chicken sandwich), don't get me wrong, and the service was really good, but the menu didn't thrill me a bit. I'm glad to hear it's getting a facelift. I'll be sure to e-mail you next time I make a trip down. Thanks, dude! -Well, I'm thankful they didn't put a pantsless Cap in the restaurant...anyway, we open our first Marvel Mania restaurant in August, so I would assume that Cap will not be around in that location forever. Just a guess. PH is going to do a Batman & Robin push for the movie, if you are so inclined... Next time, we'll hook you up! You gotta drink more Terminators, I'm tellin' ya! You just let me know! Host = pm12-22.magicnet.net (206.104.204.119) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 10, 1997 at 17:35:10 PDT
> > > > > > Last one i remember was #110...opening scene. And I seem to remember some letters complaining about it, so they dropped it. Am i right? > > > Rob > > Yeck!! How can Cap be a role model to the little comic kids? I bet you Franklin Richards is going to start smoking because his father and his "Unca' Ben" smokes!! For that is the way of injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness that is the way of...... > > > > Awwwww....in yer ear, ya Batroc wannabe!!!! Hey, I sounded like a native Yancy Streeter!!!!! > Wait..I remember that smoking story! In it, Tony Stark installed some electromagnets on Cap's tobacco tin, so that no matter where it was, he could make it return to him! Cap removed the magnets because he was spilling Prince Albert all over the floor, which got Jarvis really upset! Yeah, that's it! Remember?
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Posted by Batroc on June 10, 1997 at 18:48:21 PDT
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Posted by Rob on June 10, 1997 at 20:08:31 PDT
Perhaps you can let us know how the Convention goes...if you do get to see Waid & Garney, or see any inexpensive Caps, etc. Have fun! Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 10, 1997 at 21:00:20 PDT
Thanks Plaid Skull, I went to Terrorism Inc. and found out that George Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 10, 1997 at 23:36:13 PDT
> Thanks Plaid Skull, I went to Terrorism Inc. and found out that George I remember reading about the Red Skull's(Shmidt)origin and it said that he was a bus boy or something and his guest was Hitler and a General! I think I remember Hitler saying that he can teach that bus boy to be a better General than him and Hitler killed him and Shimdt became Hitler's protege!! Maybe the General was Maxon! Or not! Cya
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Posted by Batroc on June 11, 1997 at 05:05:35 PDT
> I seem to recall some letters in old issues of Cap (around 1970) mentioning a book written by Ted White titled "The Great Gold Steal" which had Cap's origin in it. So, my question is...Was this a book on comics or what? I've never heard of it other than those cryptic references to it in those old Cap letters-pages...! Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Fenris Ulf on June 11, 1997 at 07:05:11 PDT
> Ha! That scummy bastard Liefeld is off Cap! That loser not only desecrated Cap's uniform with that stupid winged thing on his head, but the storyline was absolutely pathetic! And now he thinks we're supposed to feel sorry for him and buy his crappy 'Agent America?' Not a chance! Who's with me?
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Posted by Fenris Ulf on June 11, 1997 at 07:12:51 PDT > > Dear Readers,
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Posted by Fenris Ulf on June 11, 1997 at 07:19:34 PDT > I read the recent editorial regarding a upcoming Captain America movie (a la ROBOCOP), and this news, together with the unmitigated deconstruction of CA's character with Leibfeld and even this latest issue ("Where ever they are, they'll be sorry they messed with me (CA)" in the last frame, only furthers my suspicion that CA's basic character is completely lost; or perhaps, rather, prostituted into a muscle-bound thug who can't derive any deeper of a motivation than VENGENCE.
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Posted by Fenris Ulf on June 11, 1997 at 07:26:33 PDT > I read the recent editorial regarding a upcoming Captain America movie (a la ROBOCOP), and this news, together with the unmitigated deconstruction of CA's character with Leibfeld and even this latest issue ("Where ever they are, they'll be sorry they messed with me (CA)" in the last frame, only furthers my suspicion that CA's basic character is completely lost; or perhaps, rather, prostituted into a muscle-bound thug who can't derive any deeper of a motivation than VENGENCE.
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 11, 1997 at 08:31:49 PDT
> > -DM Greetings, Fellow Moderator!! As a sign of good faith I'll let you do the number thingy on the MUB so it can annoy the *&#%$^ out of me too!! I wanna see how it feels!
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Posted by Fenris Ulf on June 11, 1997 at 11:13:56 PDT > > > Dear Readers,
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Posted by Red Norvell on June 11, 1997 at 19:35:27 PDT The Living Tribunal wishes to host a Dr. Strange Message Board, but in order for one to be set up, enough people have to show interest! I, for one, thinks it's an excellent idea! A Dr. Strange board will add a great deal of diversity to the message boards. Would you like a Dr. Strange board to set up? Hopefully, everyone will give their opinions on whether they support it, or not. -Red Norvell Host = hal-ns1-31.netcom.ca (207.181.94.95) |
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Posted by Charles Bowden on June 11, 1997 at 20:49:54 PDT Did any of you guys read that interview in on Mania? Man was I pissed to see him refer to Cap and the Avengers as Goofy, Pluto and the Racoons from Disney. I don't know it just struck me wrong and I had to rant. Host = lpm1s13.intrstar.net (207.3.2.77) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 12, 1997 at 06:53:12 PDT Who is the best Cap artist of all time? Host = mpngate3.ca.us.ibm.com (198.133.29.51) |
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Posted by Bubba2 on June 12, 1997 at 07:58:50 PDT > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? King Kirby, bar none! Happy Birthday, Bubba2 Host = leo-percer.baylor.edu (129.62.3.126) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 12, 1997 at 08:49:22 PDT > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? Kirby certainly defined Cap in action.......but I loved John Byrne's run on the book...... Host = 155.42.31.199 (155.42.31.199) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 12, 1997 at 09:41:33 PDT > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time?
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Posted by Blanket-Man on June 12, 1997 at 09:48:59 PDT > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? I never was a big Jack Kirby fan (I think it's the squared-off fingers). Anyway, I've gotta put my usual vote for John Romita Sr. here. I loved his brief run (around #135 or so) during which Cap (coincidentally enough) fought Spider-Man! Also, from what I've seen of JR's Golden Age Cap work, he wasn't too shabby back then, either! BTW, my favorite artist on FF? Romita Sr. (#102-108?) Daredevil? Romita Sr. (#12-17?) Avengers? Romita Sr. (#22) -- alright I'm stretching it there -- I greatly enjoyed the George Perez' Avengers run... B-Man Host = 199.75.131.25 (199.75.131.25) |
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Posted by KlaatuVeradaNikto on June 12, 1997 at 09:56:15 PDT > > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? > > I guess I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Zeck's run because that's when I first started reading Cap, with issue #271. He added a lot dynamic qualities to story. Host = 199.222.162.39 (199.222.162.39) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 12, 1997 at 10:02:07 PDT > > > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? > > > > > I guess I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Zeck's run because that's when I first started reading Cap, with issue #271. He added a lot dynamic qualities to story. Cap was definitely Zeck's best work ...his stuff looked good!!!! But did you catch Secret Wars????? Awful.....everyone was in a square form....yuck... Host = 155.42.31.199 (155.42.31.199) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 12, 1997 at 10:52:39 PDT > > > > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time?
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Posted by Rob on June 12, 1997 at 11:01:52 PDT
> > > > > > Well, I think I went thru my (predictable) list of favorite Cap artists a month or so ago...should be in the "archives" section at this site. Zeck is great, no doubt about it...I love his art and have been trying to get all his stuff, even his most obscure comics (e.g. Charlton stuff), Master of Kung Fu, etc. I would love to see a checklist of all his work. I had a subscription to Cap from around #260-300, and let it run out when Zeck left, and stopped reading it for a year. Zeck's art greatly contributed to my enjoyment of the series. Having said that, I've enjoyed many of the artists Cap has had over the years...including such non-fan-favorites like Sal Buscema. Kieron Dwyer was also great around the time of "The Bloodstone Hunt" with Danny Bulanadi on inks. I absolutely hated Dwyer's work when I saw Cap #350 when it came out...and I still think it's awful stuff. But he somehow became a terrific artist a mere eight issues later or so...I wish he could have done the book longer instead of being replaced by Ron Lim. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by mtowens on June 12, 1997 at 11:19:49 PDT
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 12, 1997 at 12:08:22 PDT Hey,I'm #4400!!! Do I get a prize or something?:)
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Posted by jamie on June 12, 1997 at 13:36:29 PDT
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Posted by TLesch on June 12, 1997 at 13:51:00 PDT
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Posted by TLesch on June 12, 1997 at 13:59:01 PDT Ok, true believers, it's time for a FLASHBACK post! Let us now join voices with the rest of the Merry Marvel Marching Society in singing the words to Cap's old 60's cartoon! When Captain America throws his mighty shield, Host = pm14-02.magicnet.net (206.104.204.163) |
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Posted by Bubba2 on June 12, 1997 at 15:00:32 PDT
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Posted by Roscoe on June 12, 1997 at 16:36:42 PDT > > > > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? > > > > > > > > I guess I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Zeck's run because that's when I first started reading Cap, with issue #271. He added a lot dynamic qualities to story. > Cap was definitely Zeck's best work ...his stuff looked good!!!! But did you catch Secret Wars????? Awful.....everyone was in a square form....yuck... Secret Wars wasn't that bad; it still looks three times as good as your average Marvel or Image comic these days. But the cover of Secret Wars #10 is one of my favorite covers ever. Just a tremendous cover. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-13.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.45) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 12, 1997 at 16:39:43 PDT > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? Well, it has to be Jack Kirby. I mean, he created CA and drew him more than anybody else; everything else is by definition a copy. But, there have been some other great Cap artists. The ones who spring to mind are: Mike Zeck Well, not as many as I had anticipated. Honorable mention goes to Ron Lim and Keiron Dwyer, both very good artists. (I have a soft spot for Paul Neary, but...) -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-13.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.45) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 12, 1997 at 17:12:32 PDT
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Posted by Falcon on June 12, 1997 at 17:20:52 PDT
> > jamie > Actually the foot is a bad example being one of the hardest parts of the body to draw, but I heartily agree with your opinion of Rob Liefeld's abilities. When I first found out that Rob Liefeld became popular, I was horrified. But the three artists you've named aren't the only ones you could have mentioned; John Buscema comes to mind and more contemporary artists like Steve Rude, Mike Allred , Paul Chadwick, Mike Mignola, John Romita Jr and Alan Davis. Falcon Host = 181.new-york-008.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.39.181) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 12, 1997 at 17:59:23 PDT
> > > > jamie > > > Actually the foot is a bad example being one of the hardest parts of the body to draw, but I heartily agree with your opinion of Rob Liefeld's abilities. When I first found out that Rob Liefeld became popular, I was horrified. But the three artists you've named aren't the only ones you could have mentioned; John Buscema comes to mind and more contemporary artists like Steve Rude, Mike Allred , Paul Chadwick, Mike Mignola, John Romita Jr and Alan Davis. > Falcon -Oh, I definitely agree with you. Big John did create "How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way", after all. I'd add him and Romita to my group as "artists with really long careers". The others you mentioned are great examples too, although I was trying to illustrate what a long, distinguished career a really good artist can have. Rob L hasn't been around long enough to have the right to thumb his nose at the industry. Rob is in the stage of "paying his dues", but doesn't have the honesty to perceive it as such. He's the kind of guy that shows up at every convention, showing his portfolio to pros, then getting pissed because they actually try to give him constructive criticism on his art. As in Hollywood, you can't start believing all your own press. -Great list though, Falcon. I hope we got through to someone. Host = pm15-24.magicnet.net (206.104.204.217) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 12, 1997 at 18:29:45 PDT
> > > > jamie > > > > > Actually the foot is a bad example being one of the hardest parts of the body to draw, but I heartily agree with your opinion of Rob Liefeld's abilities. When I first found out that Rob Liefeld became popular, I was horrified. But the three artists you've named aren't the only ones you could have mentioned; John Buscema comes to mind and more contemporary artists like Steve Rude, Mike Allred , Paul Chadwick, Mike Mignola, John Romita Jr and Alan Davis. > > Falcon > -Oh, I definitely agree with you. Big John did create "How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way", after all. I'd add him and Romita to my group as "artists with really long careers". The others you mentioned are great examples too, although I was trying to illustrate what a long, distinguished career a really good artist can have. Rob L hasn't been around long enough to have the right to thumb his nose at the industry. Rob is in the stage of "paying his dues", but doesn't have the honesty to perceive it as such. He's the kind of guy that shows up at every convention, showing his portfolio to pros, then getting pissed because they actually try to give him constructive criticism on his art. As in Hollywood, you can't start believing all your own press. > -Great list though, Falcon. I hope we got through to someone. I just want to make one point about your previous message: being self-taught doesn't necessarily mean not drawing welll. It depends on how one teaches one's self. It seems that Liefeld learned to draw strictly from comic books and as any great artist will tell you (except maybe people like Frank Frazetta who allegedly uses no reference) that's not the way to go. You can see it in the way he goes through various phases in copying other peoples work and/or characters, whether it be Jim Lee, John Byrne or Simon Bisley;do you remember his knock-off of Lobo? And now he's going to expectorate this stupid knock-off of Capt. A. I'm dumbfounded that Marvel hired him. Falcon Host = 181.new-york-008.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.39.181) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 12, 1997 at 18:41:23 PDT
> > > > > > jamie > > > > > > > Actually the foot is a bad example being one of the hardest parts of the body to draw, but I heartily agree with your opinion of Rob Liefeld's abilities. When I first found out that Rob Liefeld became popular, I was horrified. But the three artists you've named aren't the only ones you could have mentioned; John Buscema comes to mind and more contemporary artists like Steve Rude, Mike Allred , Paul Chadwick, Mike Mignola, John Romita Jr and Alan Davis. > > > Falcon > > -Oh, I definitely agree with you. Big John did create "How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way", after all. I'd add him and Romita to my group as "artists with really long careers". The others you mentioned are great examples too, although I was trying to illustrate what a long, distinguished career a really good artist can have. Rob L hasn't been around long enough to have the right to thumb his nose at the industry. Rob is in the stage of "paying his dues", but doesn't have the honesty to perceive it as such. He's the kind of guy that shows up at every convention, showing his portfolio to pros, then getting pissed because they actually try to give him constructive criticism on his art. As in Hollywood, you can't start believing all your own press. > > -Great list though, Falcon. I hope we got through to someone. > I just want to make one point about your previous message: being self-taught doesn't necessarily mean not drawing welll. It depends on how one teaches one's self. It seems that Liefeld learned to draw strictly from comic books and as any great artist will tell you (except maybe people like Frank Frazetta who allegedly uses no reference) that's not the way to go. You can see it in the way he goes through various phases in copying other peoples work and/or characters, whether it be Jim Lee, John Byrne or Simon Bisley;do you remember his knock-off of Lobo? And now he's going to expectorate this stupid knock-off of Capt. A. I'm dumbfounded that Marvel hired him. > Falcon I agree; I myself am a self-taught artist, and I work for Planet Hollywood. What is sad to me is that those artists who copy others' work DO get hired. Hall of Heroes comics featured clones of McFarlane (Kanuiga), Liefeld, etc. and now those guys are being touted in magazines like Wizard! Even Jim Lee aped Frank Miller with his Deathblow comic. It's a style rip-off of Sin City. But people like myself sit down with Buscemas book, Hogarth's anatomy book, LISTEN to professionals, and buy lots of books on drawing from the art store. Then, you chain yourself to a table and practice. Every day. Marvel is looking for a fast buck with stunts like HR. They need to please stockholders, pure and simple. Host = pm15-24.magicnet.net (206.104.204.217) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 12, 1997 at 19:08:34 PDT
> > > > > > jamie > > > > > > > > > Actually the foot is a bad example being one of the hardest parts of the body to draw, but I heartily agree with your opinion of Rob Liefeld's abilities. When I first found out that Rob Liefeld became popular, I was horrified. But the three artists you've named aren't the only ones you could have mentioned; John Buscema comes to mind and more contemporary artists like Steve Rude, Mike Allred , Paul Chadwick, Mike Mignola, John Romita Jr and Alan Davis. > > > > Falcon > > > -Oh, I definitely agree with you. Big John did create "How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way", after all. I'd add him and Romita to my group as "artists with really long careers". The others you mentioned are great examples too, although I was trying to illustrate what a long, distinguished career a really good artist can have. Rob L hasn't been around long enough to have the right to thumb his nose at the industry. Rob is in the stage of "paying his dues", but doesn't have the honesty to perceive it as such. He's the kind of guy that shows up at every convention, showing his portfolio to pros, then getting pissed because they actually try to give him constructive criticism on his art. As in Hollywood, you can't start believing all your own press. > > > -Great list though, Falcon. I hope we got through to someone. > > I just want to make one point about your previous message: being self-taught doesn't necessarily mean not drawing welll. It depends on how one teaches one's self. It seems that Liefeld learned to draw strictly from comic books and as any great artist will tell you (except maybe people like Frank Frazetta who allegedly uses no reference) that's not the way to go. You can see it in the way he goes through various phases in copying other peoples work and/or characters, whether it be Jim Lee, John Byrne or Simon Bisley;do you remember his knock-off of Lobo? And now he's going to expectorate this stupid knock-off of Capt. A. I'm dumbfounded that Marvel hired him. > > Falcon > I agree; I myself am a self-taught artist, and I work for Planet Hollywood. What is sad to me is that those artists who copy others' work DO get hired. Hall of Heroes comics featured clones of McFarlane (Kanuiga), Liefeld, etc. and now those guys are being touted in magazines like Wizard! Even Jim Lee aped Frank Miller with his Deathblow comic. It's a style rip-off of Sin City. But people like myself sit down with Buscemas book, Hogarth's anatomy book, LISTEN to professionals, and buy lots of books on drawing from the art store. Then, you chain yourself to a table and practice. Every day. Marvel is looking for a fast buck with stunts like HR. They need to please stockholders, pure and simple. Planet Hollywood? That's cool. What do you do for Planet Hollywood? Falcon Host = 181.new-york-008.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.39.181) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 13, 1997 at 07:31:04 PDT > > > > > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? > > > > > > > > > > > I guess I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Zeck's run because that's when I first started reading Cap, with issue #271. He added a lot dynamic qualities to story. > > Cap was definitely Zeck's best work ...his stuff looked good!!!! But did you catch Secret Wars????? Awful.....everyone was in a square form....yuck... > Secret Wars wasn't that bad; it still looks three times as good as your average Marvel or Image comic these days. But the cover of Secret Wars #10 is one of my favorite covers ever. Just a tremendous cover. > -Roscoe The covers were great....but the artwork on the inside of the later part of the series looked rushed and cubic. Ned Critic Jr. Host = 155.42.32.44 (155.42.32.44) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 13, 1997 at 07:36:41 PDT
> > > > > > > > jamie > > > > > > > > > > > Actually the foot is a bad example being one of the hardest parts of the body to draw, but I heartily agree with your opinion of Rob Liefeld's abilities. When I first found out that Rob Liefeld became popular, I was horrified. But the three artists you've named aren't the only ones you could have mentioned; John Buscema comes to mind and more contemporary artists like Steve Rude, Mike Allred , Paul Chadwick, Mike Mignola, John Romita Jr and Alan Davis. > > > > > Falcon > > > > -Oh, I definitely agree with you. Big John did create "How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way", after all. I'd add him and Romita to my group as "artists with really long careers". The others you mentioned are great examples too, although I was trying to illustrate what a long, distinguished career a really good artist can have. Rob L hasn't been around long enough to have the right to thumb his nose at the industry. Rob is in the stage of "paying his dues", but doesn't have the honesty to perceive it as such. He's the kind of guy that shows up at every convention, showing his portfolio to pros, then getting pissed because they actually try to give him constructive criticism on his art. As in Hollywood, you can't start believing all your own press. > > > > -Great list though, Falcon. I hope we got through to someone. > > > I just want to make one point about your previous message: being self-taught doesn't necessarily mean not drawing welll. It depends on how one teaches one's self. It seems that Liefeld learned to draw strictly from comic books and as any great artist will tell you (except maybe people like Frank Frazetta who allegedly uses no reference) that's not the way to go. You can see it in the way he goes through various phases in copying other peoples work and/or characters, whether it be Jim Lee, John Byrne or Simon Bisley;do you remember his knock-off of Lobo? And now he's going to expectorate this stupid knock-off of Capt. A. I'm dumbfounded that Marvel hired him. > > > Falcon > > I agree; I myself am a self-taught artist, and I work for Planet Hollywood. What is sad to me is that those artists who copy others' work DO get hired. Hall of Heroes comics featured clones of McFarlane (Kanuiga), Liefeld, etc. and now those guys are being touted in magazines like Wizard! Even Jim Lee aped Frank Miller with his Deathblow comic. It's a style rip-off of Sin City. But people like myself sit down with Buscemas book, Hogarth's anatomy book, LISTEN to professionals, and buy lots of books on drawing from the art store. Then, you chain yourself to a table and practice. Every day. Marvel is looking for a fast buck with stunts like HR. They need to please stockholders, pure and simple. > Planet Hollywood? That's cool. What do you do for Planet Hollywood? > Falcon It isn't teaching oneself that is the problem....it is a lack of effort or commitment to improve oneself. A Philosophical Ned P.S. I used to work for Planet Hollywood and then went to Harley Davidson Cafe......sighhhh Host = 155.42.32.44 (155.42.32.44) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 13, 1997 at 07:37:34 PDT
> > > Cap was definitely Zeck's best work ...his stuff looked good!!!! But did you catch Secret Wars????? Awful.....everyone was in a square form....yuck... > > Secret Wars wasn't that bad; it still looks three times as good as your average Marvel or Image comic these days. But the cover of Secret Wars #10 is one of my favorite covers ever. Just a tremendous cover.
I would have to say that Zeck's work in SW had its ups and downs. Probably the reason for its somewhat substandard look (compared to Zeck's other stuff) might have been Zeck's commitment to other stuff at the time (I'm not sure about that; wasn't he doing Captain America then?), not to mention the fact that he had all these heros and villains to draw many of which he had no prior experience in drawing. Falcon
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Posted by KlaatuVeradaNikto on June 13, 1997 at 09:22:31 PDT > > > > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? > > > > > > > > I guess I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Zeck's run because that's when I first started reading Cap, with issue #271. He added a lot dynamic qualities to story. > Cap was definitely Zeck's best work ...his stuff looked good!!!! But did you catch Secret Wars????? Awful.....everyone was in a square form....yuck... Ya, that wasn't Zeck's best effort. He really went half-a**ed on that one. A bad move on his part seeing as how it was the biggest event in comics at the time and a great forum to show his chops. He blew it big time. Host = 199.222.162.39 (199.222.162.39) |
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Posted by KlaatuVeradaNikto on June 13, 1997 at 09:26:00 PDT Having said that, I've enjoyed many of the artists Cap has had over the years...including such non-fan-favorites like Sal Buscema. I really hate that Sal Buscema's work on Cap goes so unappreciated. I think he really did some great stuff. His Hulk is still my personal favorite. Sal with the right inker (isn't that true with any artist?) is a great artist.
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Posted by TLesch on June 13, 1997 at 10:25:05 PDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Falcon Wow, that's freaky, unless you were just joking, Ned... but to answer Falcon's question, I am the graphic artist for the merchandise division. Yes, it's just me. Been with PH about a year and a half. I also work for Marvel Mania, since it's another of our concepts. As far as training myself, I guess I was lucky, because I've always loved to read novels in addition to comics. I once worked for TSR as an illustrator, so I've been exposed to fantasy, sci-fi, etc. I may sound like a public service message here, but really, nothing beats a good book for entertainment. Your imagination can tell you things that no movie or comic could. Ah, the wondrous mind..... Ned, what did you do at PH? Host = pm12-12.magicnet.net (206.104.204.109) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 13, 1997 at 10:25:53 PDT > Having said that, I've enjoyed many of the artists Cap has had over the years...including such non-fan-favorites like Sal Buscema.
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Posted by Rob on June 13, 1997 at 10:32:53 PDT
> Falcon I think (if memory serves; could be wrong) that Zeck left Cap to do Secret Wars....I think that's why I never bought Secret Wars (until years later). Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 16:19:58 PDT > Ok, true believers, it's time for a FLASHBACK post! Let us now join voices with the rest of the Merry Marvel Marching Society in singing the words to Cap's old 60's cartoon! > When Captain America throws his mighty shield, *hums along merrily and throws in a link in case someone out there hasn't heard that classic* http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/media/captheme1.wav Host = mhl-ca5-16.ix.netcom.com (206.217.141.80) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 16:24:25 PDT > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? Mike Zeck hands down. Or wait...maybe Keiron Dwyer. Or uh...maybe Kevin Maguire. Or is it Liefeld? *laughs himself silly* I kill me! Host = mhl-ca5-16.ix.netcom.com (206.217.141.80) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 16:33:53 PDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Falcon > Wow, that's freaky, unless you were just joking, Ned... but to answer Falcon's question, I am the graphic artist for the merchandise division. Yes, it's just me. Been with PH about a year and a half. I also work for Marvel Mania, since it's another of our concepts. As far as training myself, I guess I was lucky, because I've always loved to read novels in addition to comics. I once worked for TSR as an illustrator, so I've been exposed to fantasy, sci-fi, etc. I may sound like a public service message here, but really, nothing beats a good book for entertainment. Your imagination can tell you things that no movie or comic could. Ah, the wondrous mind..... Ned, what did you do at PH? Couldn't help over-"hearing" and uh...noticed there are a lot of artists chewing the fat here. Any of you have pics of Cap you've drawn scanned? *hopeful smile* Could use for my fan art section. Host = mhl-ca5-16.ix.netcom.com (206.217.141.80) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 13, 1997 at 17:47:58 PDT > > Ok, true believers, it's time for a FLASHBACK post! Let us now join voices with the rest of the Merry Marvel Marching Society in singing the words to Cap's old 60's cartoon! > > When Captain America throws his mighty shield, > *hums along merrily and throws in a link in case someone out there hasn't heard that classic* http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/media/captheme1.wav Thanx, Michael! I'm goin' to yer site right now..... Host = pm8-24.magicnet.net (206.104.201.249) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 13, 1997 at 18:04:51 PDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Falcon > > Wow, that's freaky, unless you were just joking, Ned... but to answer Falcon's question, I am the graphic artist for the merchandise division. Yes, it's just me. Been with PH about a year and a half. I also work for Marvel Mania, since it's another of our concepts. As far as training myself, I guess I was lucky, because I've always loved to read novels in addition to comics. I once worked for TSR as an illustrator, so I've been exposed to fantasy, sci-fi, etc. I may sound like a public service message here, but really, nothing beats a good book for entertainment. Your imagination can tell you things that no movie or comic could. Ah, the wondrous mind..... Ned, what did you do at PH? > Couldn't help over-"hearing" and uh...noticed there are a lot of artists chewing the fat here. Any of you have pics of Cap you've drawn scanned? *hopeful smile* Could use for my fan art section. Newbie that I am, could someone tell me the proper way to do this? Thanx! Host = pm8-24.magicnet.net (206.104.201.249) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 13, 1997 at 19:13:31 PDT > Couldn't help over-"hearing" and uh...noticed there are a lot of artists chewing the fat here. Any of you have pics of Cap you've drawn scanned? *hopeful smile* Could use for my fan art section. No, I for one have no drawings of Cap, but perhaps I can drum up something worthy enough to contribute if that would be all right. Falcon Host = 172.middletown-004.va.dial-access.att.net (207.116.99.172) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 19:29:42 PDT > > Couldn't help over-"hearing" and uh...noticed there are a lot of artists chewing the fat here. Any of you have pics of Cap you've drawn scanned? *hopeful smile* Could use for my fan art section. > No, I for one have no drawings of Cap, but perhaps I can drum up something worthy enough to contribute if that would be all right. > Falcon Alright? That'd be great! I could use the entries. If I get enough, I might even have a competition of sorts. Let me know if you do! Mike.... Host = mhl-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com (205.184.186.33) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 19:31:40 PDT
> Newbie that I am, could someone tell me the proper way to do this? Thanx! Well you have to have a scanner to get in on your computer. They are expensive but if you have access to one it's free, such as through your local library or college. Then just attach the file and mail me. I'll take care of the rest! Mike.... Host = mhl-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com (205.184.186.33) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 19:37:27 PDT
> > > > > > > > > Falcon I'd just like to mention (just because I'm impressed) that Dwyer once did a signing at my local comic shop and as I worked there I got the assignment of driving him to his home three hours away. Three hours of talking to Keiron Dwyer about comic art and cap. I was in heaven. Got an originial page of art from the Bloodstone Hunt too as payment for gas. Great huh? Mike.... Host = mhl-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com (205.184.186.33) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 13, 1997 at 19:53:45 PDT
> > No, I for one have no drawings of Cap, but perhaps I can drum up something worthy enough to contribute if that would be all right. > > Falcon > Alright? That'd be great! I could use the entries. If I get enough, I might even have a competition of sorts. Let me know if you do! > Mike.... Okay then. I'll see what I can do. I'm eager to see anything TLesch might have to contribute. On a slightly different note, how does one post something on a message board? Falcon Host = 172.middletown-004.va.dial-access.att.net (207.116.99.172) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 13, 1997 at 19:56:29 PDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Falcon > I'd just like to mention (just because I'm impressed) that Dwyer once did a signing at my local comic shop and as I worked there I got the assignment of driving him to his home three hours away. Three hours of talking to Keiron Dwyer about comic art and cap. I was in heaven. Got an originial page of art from the Bloodstone Hunt too as payment for gas. Great huh? > Mike.... Yes, very. Do you know what Mr. Dwyer is up to these days? And also, is it true that he's John Byrne's adopted son? Falcon Host = 172.middletown-004.va.dial-access.att.net (207.116.99.172) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 22:28:18 PDT
> Yes, very. Do you know what Mr. Dwyer is up to these days? And also, is it true that he's John Byrne's adopted son? > Falcon It is true that he was once John Byrne's step son but that ceased to be when John divorced his mother. As far as what he is currently doing, I have not heard anything. Last I heard from him, he drew two issues of the Torch of Liberty for Dark Horse Comics. Sort of a Cap rip off of the Next Men Universe. Mike.... Host = mhl-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com (205.184.186.33) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 22:30:45 PDT
> Falcon I'm assuming you mean a New message? Just scroll to the bottom of the screen. There is a box down there for new messages. Mike.... Host = mhl-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com (205.184.186.33) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 22:39:49 PDT > > > > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? > > > > > > > > I guess I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Zeck's run because that's when I first started reading Cap, with issue #271. He added a lot dynamic qualities to story. > Cap was definitely Zeck's best work ...his stuff looked good!!!! But did you catch Secret Wars????? Awful.....everyone was in a square form....yuck... Dwyer drew the entire Bloodstone Hunt. That should help your memory. heh. He also drew the majority of the issues leading up to and beyond 350 (the final show down between Steve Rogers and John Walker). Mike.... Host = mhl-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com (205.184.186.33) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 22:48:19 PDT > Hey,I'm #4400!!! Do I get a prize or something?:) > > Uh....*looks around for some help* Uh....*seeing no one rushing to his aid, he smiles warily to The Plaid Skull* Uh...will a lollipop work? *smiles hopefully*
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 13, 1997 at 22:52:44 PDT
> Does any fan out there know if Captain America, the FF, the Avengers etc. will ever be restored to their old continuity (pre onslaught). If so please e-mail me with what I would consider very good news. Yeppers. They are returning. Not sure the exact date. Dave probably knows. His page is at http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/index.htm I also believe that Waid and Garney will return to the book after all gets back to normal. Mike.... Host = mhl-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com (205.184.186.33) |
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Posted by Rob on June 14, 1997 at 00:40:12 PDT
> I really hate that Sal Buscema's work on Cap goes so unappreciated. I think he really did some great stuff. His Hulk is still my personal favorite. Sal with the right inker (isn't that true with any artist?) is a great artist. I tended to like his stuff with inkers like Mike Esposito (& some others...can't recall them off hand). I liked that Hulk/Cap cross-over he did the art for around 1979. Sal's Cap always seemed to be the basic rendition of Cap for me...even moreso than Kirby's, whose art was less "generic" perhaps, more individualistic than Sal's. I didn't like when they had Kim DeMulder inking Sal around #285...the styles didn't mesh. Sal Buscema is going to be penciling Journey Into Mystery #513 (inking by Milgrom) in August, according to PREVIEWS, and I'm looking forward to it. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by Rob on June 14, 1997 at 00:58:05 PDT
> > Falcon > It is true that he was once John Byrne's step son but that ceased to be when John divorced his mother. As far as what he is currently doing, I have not heard anything. Last I heard from him, he drew two issues of the Torch of Liberty for Dark Horse Comics. Sort of a Cap rip off of the Next Men Universe. > Mike....
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Posted by Timber Wolf-By-Night on June 14, 1997 at 01:01:41 PDT
> > > > Nahh. Kill him first. More humane. :) > > -DM > Come on David. Nothing is more american than the Bee Gees..I bet that Actually, aren't the BeeGees from England or Australia?
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 14, 1997 at 06:28:03 PDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Falcon > Wow, that's freaky, unless you were just joking, Ned... but to answer Falcon's question, I am the graphic artist for the merchandise division. Yes, it's just me. Been with PH about a year and a half. I also work for Marvel Mania, since it's another of our concepts. As far as training myself, I guess I was lucky, because I've always loved to read novels in addition to comics. I once worked for TSR as an illustrator, so I've been exposed to fantasy, sci-fi, etc. I may sound like a public service message here, but really, nothing beats a good book for entertainment. Your imagination can tell you things that no movie or comic could. Ah, the wondrous mind..... Ned, what did you do at PH? Just joking??!??? Come on, when have youi known me to joke???....um bad question. I was in NYC for 5 years worked at PH in NYC for 3 months before landing a good waiting job at Harley and making lots more money.....BTW, it is not such a small world where PH is concerned....they have dozens of restaurants all over the world now... :-) A Stallone Like Ned Host = 155.42.32.16 (155.42.32.16) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 14, 1997 at 06:31:09 PDT
> > > Falcon > I think (if memory serves; could be wrong) that Zeck left Cap to do Secret Wars....I think that's why I never bought Secret Wars (until years later). > Rob Rob...that is my memory too. We must get our memory chips at the same place!!!! Not drawing a character doesn't hold water as an excuse for lame artwork. Otherwise, I wouldn't dislike Liefeld as much....although Agent America does look pretty good...*snicker*
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 14, 1997 at 06:33:12 PDT > > > > > > Who is the best Cap artist of all time? > > > > > > > > > > > I guess I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Zeck's run because that's when I first started reading Cap, with issue #271. He added a lot dynamic qualities to story. > > Cap was definitely Zeck's best work ...his stuff looked good!!!! But did you catch Secret Wars????? Awful.....everyone was in a square form....yuck... > Dwyer drew the entire Bloodstone Hunt. That should help your memory. heh. He also drew the majority of the issues leading up to and beyond 350 (the final show down between Steve Rogers and John Walker). > Mike.... Thanks Mike...now I remember him. Pretty good stuff....but everyone's faces seemed slightly out of focus.....nice soft look to it though.... Host = 155.42.32.16 (155.42.32.16) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 14, 1997 at 09:20:33 PDT So now that it is almost all over, I was just wondering if any of you Cap fans out there found anything good that came out of Heroes Reborn. I did. I think the color job on Cap's shield improved. Uh... Yup that's it. Mike.... Host = mhl-ca5-41.ix.netcom.com (206.217.141.105) |
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Posted by Edward Strickland on June 14, 1997 at 10:50:25 PDT
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 14, 1997 at 20:22:20 PDT
> > Ha! That scummy bastard Liefeld is off Cap! That loser not only desecrated Cap's uniform with that stupid winged thing on his head, but the storyline was absolutely pathetic! And now he thinks we're supposed to feel sorry for him and buy his crappy 'Agent America?' Not a chance! Who's with me? > Knowing his luck that would just make him a martyr. I can see it now. The Liefeld School of Sequential Art and Design. Aaaah! Mike.... Host = mhl-ca5-02.ix.netcom.com (206.217.141.66) |
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Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on June 14, 1997 at 20:38:40 PDT I attended the Heroes Return question and answer session at Heroes Con today and learned the following. Sharon Carter will be back, Cap. to return to Japan and question Americas involvement in the tradations of other nations. There is going to be a WWII Invaders issue, Cap. will seek out someone to train incase he ever vansishes again. And more info to come tommorow. Hal. Host = pm-jax2-91.coastalnet.com (205.245.112.91) |