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Posted by TJ Burns on June 22, 1997 at 00:04:25 PDT
> > > > > > > Waid and Garney also said that the Falcon would return to Cap. books. Yesssssssssssssssssssss, now only if bucky would come back. > > > > Falcon > -I have no proof, but my belief is that they were ripping off the Lone Wolf and Cub idea, which was originally based on a movie about a masterless Samurai and his infant son being chased by assassins. You can still find the comics in back issue bins. They're actually very good. As far as the return of the Falcon goes, I heard Kurt Busiek say he knew of a couple of places he'd pop up. He'll probably be in the first TJB Host = 206.28.33.120 (206.28.33.120) |
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 22, 1997 at 00:15:29 PDT > > hmmmmm. when you put it that way, it almost makes sense....but a part of me still thinks that Cap would be hestitant to whip up all of these "heroes" to have them put their life on the line....and the "replacement" thing just doesn't ring true for Cap... > I dunno, I've never seen Cap go off on the "Its too dangerous a lifestyle for youths" bit for some while; either they've been forgetting BuckyAngst (tm) when writing him or he's come to the conclusion that telling them "No" just drives them underground (look at what happened to Rick Jones). I think Cap would want to train someone to take his role someday. He knows no one lives forever and his ideals and skills can't die with him.
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 22, 1997 at 00:16:58 PDT I'm #5100!!! Y'know I have this sudden urge to ask for a prize! Do I get a prize or something?
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 22, 1997 at 00:21:03 PDT > So now that it is almost all over, I was just wondering if any of you Cap fans out there found anything good that came out of Heroes Reborn. > I did. > I think the color job on Cap's shield improved. > Uh... > Yup that's it. > Mike....
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 22, 1997 at 00:25:53 PDT
> > Sounds good!!!! I'm with you guys!!
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 22, 1997 at 00:30:30 PDT > > > The late Gruenwald claimed in the same article: "In the forties, everyone was patriotic....In the nineties, nobody is except him (Cap)." Obviously, the Forties were intensely & blatantly patriotic because of the War, but to depict a 1990s where Cap is the only patriot doesn't reflect reality. Cap's comic should be a comic that makes one proud to be an American, not a depressing experience. Cap should appeal to the optimism of youth and the optimism America represents, not the cynicism prevalent in the media. Cap's creative team should look at the national pride one sees in Comely Comix's Captain Canuck series, and bring a similar pride in country to Captain America. Not an exaggerated pride which looks like satire. Look at how Cap reacted to the Busby Berkeley-type spectacle in Bi-Centennial Battles (1976), and how he preferred the sound of an old man playing the fiddle in the country to such garish exaggeration. > > But this IS true. Since the eighties there has been and increasing mistrust of the American goverenment by the common man. And rightly so. There is so much greed and graft in the US government. We mistrust our polititions and all their under-the-covers dealings. > > Today's youth just don't have the same pride, respect, and admiration for our country that we did in '76. I work with the youth. They are discouraged. If Cap was a real person and was into Ma, Baseball, apple pie, and the Flag he would be a laughing stock. Yet, we need heroes like Cap and Superguy. We need a healthy dose of anachronism in the skeptical 90's. > > Xero > > Incidentally, last night I went back and read the little "essays" that Roger Stern contributed to the letters-pages just prior and during his brief time as writer on the series, and I can only hope Waid has given as much thought to the character of Cap, and the direction of the comic, as Stern obviously had. > Rob > This is the perfect direction for Cap to go. I think Waid is a great
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 22, 1997 at 00:34:51 PDT
> > Dam Batroc im likeing you more and more :) I agree comics is for enjoyment not just for investment...that is what is wrong today with comics. They want them just for the art and who made the art. Im tired of this....i collected Cap since #180 and i loved him ever since :) Everyone buys these Images Comics for their value later since some how they come to be 25 bucks for 1 yr out which i laugh at (Spawn) You can get a lot of classics cheaply. I personally don't care nearly
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 22, 1997 at 00:56:43 PDT
Cap has a message board. Thor has a message board. WHERE IS THE IRON MAN -TJB Host = 206.28.33.120 (206.28.33.120) |
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Posted by Josh a.k.a Tony Stark on June 22, 1997 at 07:25:01 PDT
> Cap has a message board. Thor has a message board. WHERE IS THE IRON MAN
Hey, an Iron Man message board! What a great idea! I mean look at it: Captain America, Thor, the Hulk, and the Avengers have a message board. Why not the metallic Avenger? C'mon all you Iron Man fans, post your support or I'll send the Titanium Man after you! (And I will too!) Host = wapa7-cs-3.dial.bright.net (205.212.113.123) |
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Posted by Josh a.k.a Tony Stark on June 22, 1997 at 07:25:28 PDT
> Cap has a message board. Thor has a message board. WHERE IS THE IRON MAN
Hey, an Iron Man message board! What a great idea! I mean look at it: Captain America, Thor, the Hulk, and the Avengers have a message board. Why not the metallic Avenger? C'mon all you Iron Man fans, post your support or I'll send the Titanium Man after you! (And I will too!) Host = wapa7-cs-3.dial.bright.net (205.212.113.123) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 22, 1997 at 18:02:31 PDT
>>>Y'know I was watching AMC the other night and they had on one of the old Steve Reeves Hercules movies. I had never seen it. In it he is captured and chained. He pulls the chains out of the wall and pummells all of his enemies. I was wondering where I had seen this before. Then I remembered the Liefield Cap escaping from the Red Skull and Crossbones. Did Liefield have any original ideas?? Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 22, 1997 at 19:06:52 PDT
> >>>Y'know I was watching AMC the other night and they had on one of the old Steve Reeves Hercules movies. I had never seen it. In it he is captured and chained. He pulls the chains out of the wall and pummells all of his enemies. I was wondering where I had seen this before. Then I remembered the Liefield Cap escaping from the Red Skull and Crossbones. Did Liefield have any original ideas?? Uhhh...Stryfe, Cable, and Deadpool! That's about it!
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Posted by Dave on June 23, 1997 at 10:39:12 PDT
> Uhhh...Stryfe, Cable, and Deadpool! That's about it! > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! "Whenever there is unjustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!" Why does that sound familiar? Oh my God! The Plaid Skull is Rob Liefeld! Host = wapa3-cs-6.dial.bright.net (205.212.113.58) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 23, 1997 at 10:47:35 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on June 23, 1997 at 10:49:21 PDT
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 23, 1997 at 12:49:14 PDT
> » Uh....heh heh....uhhh...gulp...no comment!
Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! Host = bak-ca1-10.ix.netcom.com (204.32.156.42) |
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 23, 1997 at 14:13:23 PDT
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> > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! HEY!!! NO one deserves an accusation like that! TJB Host = 206.28.33.125 (206.28.33.125) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 24, 1997 at 07:28:48 PDT Unless this topic has been posted already, any favorites? Falcon Host = mpngate1.ca.us.ibm.com (198.133.29.49) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 24, 1997 at 07:30:10 PDT
> > >>>Y'know I was watching AMC the other night and they had on one of the old Steve Reeves Hercules movies. I had never seen it. In it he is captured and chained. He pulls the chains out of the wall and pummells all of his enemies. I was wondering where I had seen this before. Then I remembered the Liefield Cap escaping from the Red Skull and Crossbones. Did Liefield have any original ideas?? > Uhhh...Stryfe, Cable, and Deadpool! That's about it! > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! Those characters were introduced by Louise Simonson. I am not a big fan of her stuff, but she deserves the credit for those guys. She left and Rob took all of the credit....and ruined some characters who had a lot of potential. An Editor-like Ned Host = 155.42.31.201 (155.42.31.201) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 24, 1997 at 07:32:42 PDT
> > > » > > > > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > HEY!!! NO one deserves an accusation like that! > TJB You guys are forgetting that Plaidy has come up with many original posts, ideas, jokes, insights....with that in mind, do you think that he could be Rob Liefeld??? Host = 155.42.31.201 (155.42.31.201) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 24, 1997 at 07:44:16 PDT
> > > >>>Y'know I was watching AMC the other night and they had on one of the old Steve Reeves Hercules movies. I had never seen it. In it he is captured and chained. He pulls the chains out of the wall and pummells all of his enemies. I was wondering where I had seen this before. Then I remembered the Liefield Cap escaping from the Red Skull and Crossbones. Did Liefield have any original ideas??
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 24, 1997 at 07:52:29 PDT
> > > > >>>Y'know I was watching AMC the other night and they had on one of the old Steve Reeves Hercules movies. I had never seen it. In it he is captured and chained. He pulls the chains out of the wall and pummells all of his enemies. I was wondering where I had seen this before. Then I remembered the Liefield Cap escaping from the Red Skull and Crossbones. Did Liefield have any original ideas?? > > > > > > > Falcon I was not aware of that....but this brings up a question that has plagued comic junkies for years...Does designing a look mean creating a character? I would say that Simonson's portrayal and character development were those characters. When Rob took over they lost any appeal that they had had. They were interesting when Loiuse wrote 'em, but became shallow and uninteresting when Liefeld wrote them. A Slightly Corrected Ned Host = 155.42.31.201 (155.42.31.201) |
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 24, 1997 at 07:56:35 PDT > Unless this topic has been posted already, any favorites? > Falcon Wow....this is a tough one. Cap has had as many lame battles as great ones. The first fight that comes to mind is the team up with him and Daredevil in DD. They fought a drugged up guy named Nuke (a precurser to Bane??? I never thought about it before but.....). The art was perfect for Cap's fighting style and he was well written. The Adventures of Captain America mini series was a greta read too. I'm sure that I will come up with others when I'm far away from a computer!!!!! A Nostalgic Ned Host = 155.42.31.201 (155.42.31.201) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 24, 1997 at 08:07:04 PDT
Did he have any good ideas???
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Posted by Falcon on June 24, 1997 at 08:16:26 PDT > > Unless this topic has been posted already, any favorites?
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Posted by Batroc on June 24, 1997 at 10:16:08 PDT
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on June 24, 1997 at 11:50:42 PDT
> Did he have any good ideas??? > > > > > > > > > > > Falcon Your point is shown best by looking at Rob's depiction of Cap. This guy was already created, but Rob still made him into less tham a character. Host = 155.42.31.233 (155.42.31.233) |
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Posted by Rob on June 24, 1997 at 11:51:47 PDT
> Falcon
Much as I love Byrne's run, I don't think the Dragon Man or Mr Hyde/Batroc battles were all that significant. The Baron Blood ones (#253, 254) are more significant, though, I think. There are probably lots more...but if i had to pick one, I'd pick #156. (At least, as of this moment!) Rob
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Posted by Falcon on June 24, 1997 at 12:47:28 PDT
> > Did he have any good ideas???
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Posted by Falcon on June 24, 1997 at 12:57:52 PDT
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Posted by Rob on June 24, 1997 at 13:44:46 PDT
> > Your point is shown best by looking at Rob's depiction of Cap. This guy was already created, but Rob still made him into less tham a character. > > Falcon I've not read Liefeld's Cap either. Looks pretty awful. But if i see those issues in a quarter-box, I'll pick them up, just for the sake of completing my Cap collection. Rob
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 24, 1997 at 13:53:01 PDT
> > > > Falcon > I've not read Liefeld's Cap either. Looks pretty awful. But if i see those issues in a quarter-box, I'll pick them up, just for the sake of completing my Cap collection. > Rob Hey, hey, hey!! Don't make fun of my...I mean Rob's Cap!! It was good! That green blood was a stroke....of genius!! Buy Agent America!! Hmmm...maybe I need one of those Hypno-Helmets that Red Skull's henchmen used to make Cap insane!! If I get one of those then everyone would buy my....er...I mean Rob's new series!!
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Posted by Apollo on June 24, 1997 at 15:24:15 PDT
I have an April 1941 Vol.2 Captain America.It is in mint condition.Can anyone tell me what it is worth?I have heard other bids but can not believe it. Host = ppp-207-212-159-36.scrm01.pacbell.net (207.212.159.36) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 24, 1997 at 15:32:14 PDT
> > > > » > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > > HEY!!! NO one deserves an accusation like that! > > TJB > You guys are forgetting that Plaidy has come up with many original posts, ideas, jokes, insights....with that in mind, do you think that he could be Rob Liefeld??? That could not be possible. When you look up plagarism in the dictionary, there is a drawing of Rob Liefeld..of course, it has no feet....... Host = pm14-14.magicnet.net (206.104.204.175) |
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Posted by Rob on June 24, 1997 at 15:40:21 PDT
> > Interestingly enough, there were alot of TOS being sold at Thought I'd start off my post with Batroc's words of wisdom from last week or so...for I got some issues of Tales of Suspense at a convention on Sunday for four bucks each, and in nice shape: #75, 78, 84, 88, 94, & 95. (Actually, #95 was only $3.50, being a bit more frail around the edges.) And also Strange Tales #139 with Nick Fury and Dr Strange, for 4 bucks. A nice little batch of 1960s Marvel. I'd give some lengthy reviews of each of them but I just got them & haven't had time to really read them yet. But, some quick comments based on flipping thru them: #75: This is the first appearance of Batroc the Leaper, and it's a better introduction for him than I'd thought he had had. "Introducing: Lee and Kirby's Newest Bombastic Baddie...the Block-Busting BATROC" is what the splash page says. Steve Rogers rests at Avengers Mansion and remembers Sgt. Duffy: "And, what has become of Sgt. Duffy, the wonderful wild noncom who swore that Steve Rogers was the most fouled-up G.I. of all time! If only I could have seen his face when he learned -- if he ever did -- that Rogers and Captain America were one and the same!" Well, that made me wonder myself: what ever happened to Sgt. Duffy? Have we ever been shown him post-WW2? Then Cap thinks about Peggy Carter (not named), wondering what ever happened to her. A few pages later Steve runs into Sharon Carter (also unnamed). A great panel follows, typifying the Lee style of tragedy, where someone will be thinking something and be unaware that another person is thinking similar thoughts, as in the case of Don Blake and Jane Foster. Well, here we have a panel where Steve and Sharon pass like ships in the night...Sharon thinks, "What would he have thought if I asked him -- `Is your name Steve Rogers?'" But she just keeps walking and the reader thinks "Arrrgh! If only they had been unafraid to speak the truth!" Batroc is revealed to be an interesting character in this story. Great writing by Lee here. Batroc is boastful of his own power, but also lavishes praise on Cap's skill as well, even as he is fighting him! By the end of the story, as happened again in later years, Batroc and Cap join forces to fight a mutual danger. The next issue blurb says, "If you miss it, Batroc will never forgive you!" Well, I don't have the next issue, so I don't know how it ends. #78: Cap joins forces with Nick Fury in this one, and it appears that at the end of this issue Cap receives his SHIELD priority from Fury. (Gee, that would have been a good trivia question to ask!) Cap thought there might be a place for him in SHIELD, but realizes now he has too much invested with The Avengers to leave them for another organization. #84: Cap faces the Super-Adaptoid. Beautiful splash page by Kirby/Giacoia showing Cap, Hawkeye, Wasp, & Goliath walking down a hall. Much as I've enjoyed some of Don Heck's work over the years, seeing Goliath & Co. rendered by Kirby makes me wish the King had had time to pencil the Avengers during that era. #88: Gil Kane takes over the art, with Cap fighting the Swordsman and Power Man. Some nice poses, but not up to the standard of Kane's work in later years. #94: "If This Be...Modok!" Art chores handled by the classic team of Kirby/Sinnott. I think a panel from this story was reprinted on this message-board some months back (now in the Archives). #95: More Kirby/Sinnott. Haven't read this one yet, but it looks like a good human-interest story, with Cap retiring so that he can get more out of his Steve Rogers identity. Yep, Tales of Suspense was one cool series. Stories by Stan Lee, art by the likes of Kirby, Gene Colan (on Iron Man), Gil Kane, etc. By the way, the Strange Tales issue I bought mentions Cap in the letters-page: "I know you guys are trying to make Captain America Fury's partner, but don't do it! The Avengers' stories proved this. Fury and Steve Rogers won't go together at all. Besides, Steve has his Captain America role in the Avengers which should take up enough of his time." Cap's time was freed up in the late 1960s when he left The Avengers, so Fury was brought back in to Cap's life, and has remained there despite his returning to The Avengers. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 24, 1997 at 15:45:33 PDT
> > > > > > > Falcon > > I've not read Liefeld's Cap either. Looks pretty awful. But if i see those issues in a quarter-box, I'll pick them up, just for the sake of completing my Cap collection. > > Rob > Hey, hey, hey!! Don't make fun of my...I mean Rob's Cap!! It was good! That green blood was a stroke....of genius!! Buy Agent America!! Hmmm...maybe I need one of those Hypno-Helmets that Red Skull's henchmen used to make Cap insane!! If I get one of those then everyone would buy my....er...I mean Rob's new series!! > > As far as the character creation question, that should be pretty obvious...years ago, Jack Kirby took Marvel to task because Stan was going around on interviews claiming he created all of Marvel's early stable. This was patently false, as Stan would often create the concept and Jack would create the look. Let's look at Fantastic 4; while the characterization was well planned, and certainly ushered in the "Marvel Age", Jack's visuals made those characters stick out in everyone's minds. They were co-creators. Where would Spidey's popularity be without the famous red and blue suit? On the other hand, what good would the look do without the angst-ridden stories of Spidey's life? They are inseparable. The clone saga proved it. Once the story went in the dumper, the costume change only made it worse. But let me list some true creators, who filled both roles, as opposed to Rob L; Will Eisner (The Spirit), Bob Kane, Mike Allred, Jeff Smith,...I'm sure you can think of others. In summary, Rob has to be considered a co-creator on the characters, not the sole creator. Host = pm14-14.magicnet.net (206.104.204.175) |
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Posted by TLesch on June 24, 1997 at 15:50:44 PDT
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Posted by Falcon on June 24, 1997 at 17:26:20 PDT
> > > > > > > > Falcon > > > I've not read Liefeld's Cap either. Looks pretty awful. But if i see those issues in a quarter-box, I'll pick them up, just for the sake of completing my Cap collection. > > > Rob > > Hey, hey, hey!! Don't make fun of my...I mean Rob's Cap!! It was good! That green blood was a stroke....of genius!! Buy Agent America!! Hmmm...maybe I need one of those Hypno-Helmets that Red Skull's henchmen used to make Cap insane!! If I get one of those then everyone would buy my....er...I mean Rob's new series!! > > > > > As far as the character creation question, that should be pretty obvious...years ago, Jack Kirby took Marvel to task because Stan was going around on interviews claiming he created all of Marvel's early stable. This was patently false, as Stan would often create the concept and Jack would create the look. Let's look at Fantastic 4; while the characterization was well planned, and certainly ushered in the "Marvel Age", Jack's visuals made those characters stick out in everyone's minds. They were co-creators. Where would Spidey's popularity be without the famous red and blue suit? On the other hand, what good would the look do without the angst-ridden stories of Spidey's life? They are inseparable. The clone saga proved it. Once the story went in the dumper, the costume change only made it worse. > But let me list some true creators, who filled both roles, as opposed to Rob L; Will Eisner (The Spirit), Bob Kane, Mike Allred, Jeff Smith,...I'm sure you can think of others. In summary, Rob has to be considered a co-creator on the characters, not the sole creator. Yes, now that I think about it, the situation with RL designing Cable, Shatterstar, etc.is a bit like Jack Kirby's having the basid idea for the FF before Stan and he collaborated on the title. Of course I'm not comparing RL to Jack Kirby in any other respect than that. Falcon Host = 28.new-york-009.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.40.28) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 24, 1997 at 17:41:53 PDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > > > HEY!!! NO one deserves an accusation like that! > > > TJB > > You guys are forgetting that Plaidy has come up with many original posts, ideas, jokes, insights....with that in mind, do you think that he could be Rob Liefeld??? > That could not be possible. When you look up plagarism in the dictionary, there is a drawing of Rob Liefeld..of course, it has no feet....... And don't forget, about 80 or so teeth! Falcon Host = 28.new-york-009.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.40.28) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 24, 1997 at 18:16:05 PDT
> I have an April 1941 Vol.2 Captain America.It is in mint condition.Can anyone tell me what it is worth?I have heard other bids but can not believe it. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 24, 1997 at 19:21:23 PDT
>>Reading Rob's posts about TOS got me feeling nostalgic and trivial. By the way Rob, Cap got another A-1 priority in ish #191. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 24, 1997 at 19:26:09 PDT
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 24, 1997 at 21:18:48 PDT
 Since you're in such a banner graphic changing mood howzabout using the ever-tyrannical Red Skull pic here???? It's a classic!! C'mon!! Don't be that way!! Use the pic you bloody wanker!! I'll kill you all!!! You the freaking pic!! Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!
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Posted by Roscoe on June 24, 1997 at 22:20:34 PDT > Unless this topic has been posted already, any favorites? > Falcon The first one that springs to mind is Cap #414-416 or so, where he is caught in a bind while impersonating Crossbones. Bones has made a bet with Batroc that he can take any 5 fighters Batroc picks in one battle. Cap has to accept or else blow his cover, so he ends up fighting the 5 toughest villains around. At the end Batroc blows his cover and he has to fight like 100 villains all at once. Gru's leter stuff is much maligned, but it had some nice stuff in it. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma2-21.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.85) |
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Posted by Rob on June 24, 1997 at 22:26:33 PDT
I'm not sure when this occured. I notice that in TOS #95, Tony Stark says that, since Cap publicly announced his retirement, "by now, anyone who can read knows that Steve Rogers and Captain America are one and the same!" But I haven't seen a Fury reference to his Steve Rogers identity prior to that issue. Also, oddly enough, the Human Torch knew Cap's true identity just from reading the comics, before Cap's resurrection in Avengers #4. Oh, and the 1950s Cap learned Cap's secret identity by searching government files. And Fury met Cap in WW2 in Sgt Fury #13 (nope, don't have that issue). So...unless the Torch knowing Cap's identity circa 1963 is an error, the world knew that Cap & Steve were the same by TOS #95. My guess is that Fury either found out during WW2 or in TOS #95. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 24, 1997 at 22:28:16 PDT
> > I have an April 1941 Vol.2 Captain America.It is in mint condition.Can anyone tell me what it is worth?I have heard other bids but can not believe it. Well, let me add a few things. First, what you or I consider mint and what a dealer or serious collector would consider mint are two different things. I would have a professional grade it for you so you know the true value; things I have graded in Vf/Nm I have seen other places graded in Fine by some people. There are probably only 10 nm/m copies in existance, if that. Secondly, there may be reprints floating around, though I have never heard of any for Captain America #2. With these admonitions in mind, the current Overstreet value for Captain America #2 is $10,000 in Near Mint with a lrge drop to $3,000 in Fine (because copies above Fine are very hard to find). IN Good it lists for $1,000. -Roscoe Having said that Host = wor-ma2-21.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.85) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 24, 1997 at 22:49:46 PDT
> >>Reading Rob's posts about TOS got me feeling nostalgic and trivial. By the way Rob, Cap got another A-1 priority in ish #191. You know, I would swear it happened in an issue of Avengers when he was trying to join SHIELD (circa #17-40 or so) but I can't find it. Maybe it was in Strange Tales, but I don't have all the Cap issues of that yet, so I guess I'll have to give up. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma2-21.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.85) |
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Posted by Rob on June 24, 1997 at 23:14:02 PDT
> -Roscoe According to the Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #1 (2nd Version, 1994), that occured in Avengers #32 (Sept 1966) when Cap left the Avengers to visit SHIELD. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 24, 1997 at 23:26:55 PDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading Cap #1 (1941) I've recanted and even agree with you > Yet, we must pay homage to George Maxon who created a dastardly good villain! Maxon is THE original Skull! He probably thought up the name and the look! Sure Schmidt made quite a name for the Skull but we still must remember George Maxon who started it all, for that is the way of injustice, tyranny, and ruthlessness...that is the way of the Plaid Skull!! > Cya
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Posted by Roscoe on June 24, 1997 at 23:31:34 PDT
> > > -Roscoe > According to the Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #1 (2nd Version, 1994), that occured in Avengers #32 (Sept 1966) when Cap left the Avengers to visit SHIELD. > Rob I knew it! Damn, and I looked through #17-29 looking for that scene too. It is in #32. -Roscoe
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Posted by Rob on June 24, 1997 at 23:58:29 PDT
> > Rob > I knew it! Damn, and I looked through #17-29 looking for that scene too. It is in #32. > -Roscoe
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Posted by Roscoe on June 25, 1997 at 00:00:46 PDT
> > > > Rob > > I knew it! Damn, and I looked through #17-29 looking for that scene too. It is in #32. > > -Roscoe > > Rob This is definately the right answer. In his Steve identity, Cap goes to SHIELD headquarters and they attack him because they want to know how he got Cap's id. He rips off his shirt and says "I wasn't born Cap" and a panel or two later Nick is calling him Rogers. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma2-21.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.85) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 25, 1997 at 10:17:34 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on June 25, 1997 at 10:28:41 PDT
> > > I have an April 1941 Vol.2 Captain America.It is in mint condition.Can anyone tell me what it is worth?I have heard other bids but can not believe it. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Great Skull pics!!! on June 25, 1997 at 10:37:25 PDT
> Since you're in such a banner graphic changing mood howzabout using the ever-tyrannical Red Skull pic here???? It's a classic!! C'mon!! Don't be that way!! Use the pic you bloody wanker!! I'll kill you all!!! You the freaking pic!! Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 25, 1997 at 10:48:52 PDT
> > » Index? I have a box of Avengers right behind me that I like to turn and look through frequently. I'm just sorry I stopped browsing before I got to #32, though I should have known it was that issue. I had recently re-read it, and the thought that the scene was in Avengers was very strong. If only I could have put two and two together. Oh well. That's what teamwork is all about. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma2-21.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.85) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 25, 1997 at 11:08:10 PDT
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 25, 1997 at 14:38:05 PDT
> > > » Yeah, I read that post after I went to the trouble of posting this. Hopefully I didn't tick the Plaid Skull off. That wasn't my intention. He seems cool. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Posted by Falcon on June 26, 1997 at 16:59:05 PDT What does anyone think of an Arena Board, the premise of which is to discuss who can beat who; the reason being the Thor board has become flooded with Thor vs. Supes arguments and its starting to tick some of the regulars off and so one of those regulars, Grim, came up with the idea. I wasn't going to post this here since it doesn't get inundated by these kinds of posts but this board seems to have fallen asleep; just trying to shake things up a bit. Falcon Host = 100.middletown-004.va.dial-access.att.net (207.116.99.100) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 26, 1997 at 17:38:11 PDT > What does anyone think of an Arena Board, the premise of which is to discuss who can beat who; the reason being the Thor board has become flooded with Thor vs. Supes arguments and its starting to tick some of the regulars off and so one of those regulars, Grim, came up with the idea. I wasn't going to post this here since it doesn't get inundated by these kinds of posts but this board seems to have fallen asleep; just trying to shake things up a bit. > Falcon Take it to the MUB!!! C'mon I need the hits!! Let that be your arena!! C'mon!! Pleeeaaasssseeee???? Cya
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Posted by Falcon on June 26, 1997 at 17:58:04 PDT
> > Falcon > Take it to the MUB!!! C'mon I need the hits!! Let that be your arena!! C'mon!! Pleeeaaasssseeee????
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Posted by Batroc on June 26, 1997 at 22:38:39 PDT
> What does anyone think of an Arena Board, the premise of which is to discuss who can beat who; the reason being the Thor board has become flooded with Thor vs. Supes arguments and its starting to tick some of the regulars off and so one of those regulars, Grim, came up with the idea. I wasn't going to post this here since it doesn't get inundated by these kinds of posts but this board seems to have fallen asleep; just trying to shake things up a bit. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Kirk on June 27, 1997 at 10:27:31 PDT Personally, I'm amazed that Cap has never teamed up directly with Alpha Flight. In fact, the only times the two teams have met is when he was with the Avengers and, personally, I'd like to see Cap and AF work together. Host = 205.250.71.113 (205.250.71.113) |
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Posted by Rob on June 27, 1997 at 11:31:21 PDT
If you meant me, I'm not especially "a big Thor fan." The main reason I have occasionally posted at the board is because Barry has been bringing up old Jack Kirby issues, or when Walt Simonson's work was discussed. I have more Cap, Avengers, Superman, FF, Spidey, Hulk, Defenders, Marvel-Two-In-One, Marvel Team-Up, All-Star Squadron, Teen Titans, etc. etc. issues than I have Thor issues. But I liked the 1960s cartoon a lot, enjoyed the Norse-myth aspect (it got me interested in mythology as a kid when i otherwise might have ignored such stuff), and have picked up old Thor issues when I've seen them cheap. I got the Flashback issue of J.I.M. because Gil Kane did a new cover for it & so I reviewed the issue on the Thor board. I'm actually much, much more of a pre-Crisis Superman fan than Thor fan. > Everytime I'm on the Thor Board, I feel a bit inferior because my knowledge of the character is not what it should be. I've heard similar comments on that board from people feeling uncomfortable, ignored, etc. Well, you shouldn't feel that way. I imagine you must know as much or more about Thor than I do, given your Avengers expertise. Besides, expertise isn't necessary, anyway. If someone knows more about it, they can post it. > Plaidy and I were ridiculed for our lack of knowledge in the Cap V. Thor debate when I referred to there battle in Avengers Special #2. The Arena is one message board I personally will avoid if it gets set up. I'm not a fan of Thisman Versus Thatman stuff. That might have appealed to me when I was a child, but I read comics now for reasons other than who has the most powers, who has the bigger muscles, who can deck who, etc. If that will be the Arena's focus, forget it. I'd much rather talk about the creators, stories, characters, than try to set up a wrestling match between superheroes. In fact, one of the things I loved most as a kid was the friendships between the characters, not their fighting. I loved how Cap & Iron Man (and Superman & Batman) called each other "old friend" frequently. Rob
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 27, 1997 at 11:45:22 PDT
> > What does anyone think of an Arena Board, the premise of which is to discuss who can beat who; the reason being the Thor board has become flooded with Thor vs. Supes arguments and its starting to tick some of the regulars off and so one of those regulars, Grim, came up with the idea. I wasn't going to post this here since it doesn't get inundated by these kinds of posts but this board seems to have fallen asleep; just trying to shake things up a bit. You can always do the ever immortal "Batman vs. Cap" debate!! So that's a vote for the Arena board, yes? So far it's lacking voters Iron Man and the Image Board is at a tie!
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 27, 1997 at 11:50:51 PDT
> > If you meant me, I'm not especially "a big Thor fan." The main reason I have occasionally posted at the board is because Barry has been bringing up old Jack Kirby issues, or when Walt Simonson's work was discussed. I have more Cap, Avengers, Superman, FF, Spidey, Hulk, Defenders, Marvel-Two-In-One, Marvel Team-Up, All-Star Squadron, Teen Titans, etc. etc. issues than I have Thor issues. But I liked the 1960s cartoon a lot, enjoyed the Norse-myth aspect (it got me interested in mythology as a kid when i otherwise might have ignored such stuff), and have picked up old Thor issues when I've seen them cheap. I got the Flashback issue of J.I.M. because Gil Kane did a new cover for it & so I reviewed the issue on the Thor board. I'm actually much, much more of a pre-Crisis Superman fan than Thor fan. > > Everytime I'm on the Thor Board, I feel a bit inferior because my knowledge of the character is not what it should be. > I've heard similar comments on that board from people feeling uncomfortable, ignored, etc. Well, you shouldn't feel that way. I imagine you must know as much or more about Thor than I do, given your Avengers expertise. Besides, expertise isn't necessary, anyway. If someone knows more about it, they can post it. > > Plaidy and I were ridiculed for our lack of knowledge in the Cap V. Thor debate when I referred to there battle in Avengers Special #2. > The Arena is one message board I personally will avoid if it gets set up. I'm not a fan of Thisman Versus Thatman stuff. That might have appealed to me when I was a child, but I read comics now for reasons other than who has the most powers, who has the bigger muscles, who can deck who, etc. If that will be the Arena's focus, forget it. I'd much rather talk about the creators, stories, characters, than try to set up a wrestling match between superheroes. In fact, one of the things I loved most as a kid was the friendships between the characters, not their fighting. I loved how Cap & Iron Man (and Superman & Batman) called each other "old friend" frequently. > Rob >
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Posted by Batroc on June 27, 1997 at 12:55:43 PDT
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Posted by Falcon on June 27, 1997 at 12:57:59 PDT > You can always do the ever immortal "Batman vs. Cap" debate!! So that's a vote for the Arena board, yes? So far it's lacking voters Iron Man and the Image Board is at a tie!
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Posted by Falcon on June 27, 1997 at 13:03:10 PDT > The Arena is one message board I personally will avoid if it gets set up. I'm not a fan of Thisman Versus Thatman stuff. That might have appealed to me when I was a child, but I read comics now for reasons other than who has the most powers, who has the bigger muscles, who can deck who, etc. If that will be the Arena's focus, forget it. I'd much rather talk about the creators, stories, characters, than try to set up a wrestling match between superheroes. In fact, one of the things I loved most as a kid was the friendships between the characters, not their fighting. I loved how Cap & Iron Man (and Superman & Batman) called each other "old friend" frequently. > Rob Hey Rob, Hating the idea of pitching X vs. Y is as good a reason for voting for the Arena board as liking the idea. All such posts can be put on the Arena board, leaving the other boards for more meaningful discussion. Falcon Host = mpngate4.ca.us.ibm.com (198.133.29.52) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 27, 1997 at 13:40:44 PDT
> > » So with your vote the Iron Man board is in the lead!
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Posted by Batroc on June 27, 1997 at 13:50:18 PDT
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Posted by Rob on June 27, 1997 at 21:34:11 PDT
I learned of the old Thor message board in April, just before the "Great Migration" to the present site, and was impressed at the interest in not only the Marvel Thor, but Norse Mythology. I once wrote a paper in high school titled "The Effects of Christianity on Norse Mythology" and so I was perhaps more intrigued than intimidated by discussions of the mythos. I did ask if there were any Norse Mythology websites that anyone there could recommend, and Woden provided a list of them, most of which I've bookmarked. I didn't see it as smugness, but as the opportunity for me to learn more. > >>Cap is and always will be my favorite comic character. Cap and Superman (the pre-Crisis versions) are my two absolute favorites. > I don't know if I believe you have got it all out of your system either. CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN CAP V.BATS?? Believe it, my friend. If you check out the Archives, I think you'll see I never contributed to any Cap vs. Batman thread...I've never read Marvel Vs. DC, and only found out that Batman won (he did, right?) when I learned of this board. My reaction? A shrug of the shoulders. I honestly don't care about Who Versus Who. I'm much more interested in "Batman and Captain America." Why? John Byrne! > I've enjoyed the "Seinfield" stories as much as the next person and one of your favorites Cap #183 was not an action packed thriller. I tend to prefer the little moments in comics, not the fight scenes or the "plot" per se. Depends how it's done. Take a typical superhero story: It starts out in Avengers Mansion and Cap is reading a volume of Tolkien, Hawkeye is looking for a beer in the fridge, and The Beast is trying to get Vision to laugh. That's the part of the comic I like best, not the stuff that follows where they learn some molten monster has taken over Project Pegasus and they have to run down silver corridors getting past armed guards and death traps until finally causing the monster to blow up, etc, etc. (hmmm, anyone for some fanfiction?) Nah, I'm not disappointed in you for liking the match-ups....I was just stating that I cared not a jot for them personally. Two of my all-time favorite Cap issues are very short on action: #250 and #267. By the way, I must be one of the few people who is not clamoring for another board here. There are already a bunch of boards out there, some getting little response. Having said that, you know what kind of board I'd like to see (don't know if it would work here necessarily...it might get more response at the Jonah Weiland site)? I'd like to see an "Old Comics" board. It could be about any company, as long as it was old. There would probably have to be a cut-off limit. Maybe it could be called the Golden Age & Silver Age board. "Silver & Gold" (as the Burl Ives song went) -- something like that. The thing that turned me off comics message boards when I first saw them was that everyone seemed to be talking about the current stuff, which I had little interest in (my interest has grown some since posting). Anyway, I always find myself posting on stuff when it comes to old comics. If there was an Iron Man board, I'd probably contibute to a "Don Heck Vs. Gene Colan" thread, but not a thread about his latest armor, etc. Rob
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Posted by Jeff on June 27, 1997 at 21:34:12 PDT
> > > -Roscoe > > According to the Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #1 (2nd Version, 1994), that occured in Avengers #32 (Sept 1966) when Cap left the Avengers to visit SHIELD. > > Rob > I knew it! Damn, and I looked through #17-29 looking for that scene too. It is in #32. > -Roscoe Sorry fellas. But Cap is not seeking to join SHIELD in Avengers #32. Cap goes to SHIELD HQ to obtain information on the Sons of the Serpent. See pages 12-14. Host = col-as2s41.erols.com (207.172.128.104) |
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Posted by Rob on June 27, 1997 at 21:47:12 PDT
> I read your reply to me on the proposed Arena and I thought I might respond. I learned of the old Thor message board in April, just before the "Great Migration" to the present site, and was impressed at the interest in not only the Marvel Thor, but Norse Mythology. I once wrote a paper in high school titled "The Effects of Christianity on Norse Mythology" and so I was perhaps more intrigued than intimidated by discussions of the mythos. I did ask if there were any Norse Mythology websites that anyone there could recommend, and Woden provided a list of them, most of which I've bookmarked. I didn't see it as smugness, but as the opportunity for me to learn more. > >>Cap is and always will be my favorite comic character. Cap and Superman (the pre-Crisis versions) are my two absolute favorites. > I don't know if I believe you have got it all out of your system either. CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN CAP V.BATS?? Believe it, my friend. If you check out the Archives, I think you'll see I never contributed to any Cap vs. Batman thread...I've never read Marvel Vs. DC, and only found out that Batman won (he did, right?) when I learned of this board. My reaction? A shrug of the shoulders. I honestly don't care about Who Versus Who. I'm much more interested in "Batman and Captain America." Why? John Byrne! > I've enjoyed the "Seinfield" stories as much as the next person and one of your favorites Cap #183 was not an action packed thriller. I tend to prefer the little moments in comics, not the fight scenes or the "plot" per se. Depends how it's done. Take a typical superhero story: It starts out in Avengers Mansion and Cap is reading a volume of Tolkien, Hawkeye is looking for a beer in the fridge, and The Beast is trying to get Vision to laugh. That's the part of the comic I like best, not the stuff that follows where they learn some molten monster has taken over Project Pegasus and they have to run down silver corridors getting past armed guards and death traps until finally causing the monster to blow up, etc, etc. (hmmm, anyone for some fanfiction?) Nah, I'm not disappointed in you for liking the match-ups....I was just stating that I cared not a jot for them personally. Two of my all-time favorite Cap issues are very short on action: #250 and #267. By the way, I must be one of the few people who is not clamoring for another board here. There are already a bunch of boards out there, some getting little response. Having said that, you know what kind of board I'd like to see (don't know if it would work here necessarily...it might get more response at the Jonah Weiland site)? I'd like to see an "Old Comics" board. It could be about any company, as long as it was old. There would probably have to be a cut-off limit. Maybe it could be called the Golden Age & Silver Age board. "Silver & Gold" (as the Burl Ives song went) -- something like that. The thing that turned me off comics message boards when I first saw them was that everyone seemed to be talking about the current stuff, which I had little interest in (my interest has grown some since posting). Anyway, I always find myself posting on stuff when it comes to old comics. If there was an Iron Man board, I'd probably contibute to a "Don Heck Vs. Gene Colan" thread, but not a thread about his latest armor, etc. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by Rob on June 27, 1997 at 22:00:06 PDT I noticed on Michael Kaiser's excellent Sentinel of Liberty webpage a mention of the Captain America Mailing List. I just recently joined another mailing list (not Cap-related) and wondered whether I should subscribe to the Cap one or not? Any opinions on what it is like? Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
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Posted by Deus (the Devil-Dog) on June 27, 1997 at 22:15:39 PDT
> > > > > > > > > What is the world coming to if all we can talk about is how bad Liefeld is and start making accusations about who his characteristics. Jeez. > > > > > > > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > > > > HEY!!! NO one deserves an accusation like that! > > > > TJB > > > You guys are forgetting that Plaidy has come up with many original posts, ideas, jokes, insights....with that in mind, do you think that he could be Rob Liefeld??? > > That could not be possible. When you look up plagarism in the dictionary, there is a drawing of Rob Liefeld..of course, it has no feet....... > And don't forget, about 80 or so teeth! > Falcon
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Posted by Deus (the Devil-Dog) on June 27, 1997 at 22:16:58 PDT
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> > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > > > > HEY!!! NO one deserves an accusation like that! > > > > TJB > > > You guys are forgetting that Plaidy has come up with many original posts, ideas, jokes, insights....with that in mind, do you think that he could be Rob Liefeld??? > > That could not be possible. When you look up plagarism in the dictionary, there is a drawing of Rob Liefeld..of course, it has no feet....... > And don't forget, about 80 or so teeth! > Falcon What is the world coming to if all we can talk about is how bad Liefeld is and start making accusations about who his characteristics. Jeez. Host = van-52-0247.direct.ca (204.174.240.95) |
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Posted by Jeff on June 27, 1997 at 22:17:07 PDT
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Posted by Jamie on June 28, 1997 at 00:11:12 PDT
> Rob
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Posted by Batroc on June 28, 1997 at 06:42:53 PDT
> I noticed on Michael Kaiser's excellent Sentinel of Liberty webpage a mention of the Captain America Mailing List. I just recently joined another mailing list (not Cap-related) and wondered whether I should subscribe to the Cap one or not? Any opinions on what it is like? Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Batroc the Leaper on June 28, 1997 at 06:48:02 PDT
I read on the web that the Murphy Anderson collection is for sale. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by More Silver Age Shopping Tips from the Leaper on June 28, 1997 at 06:59:46 PDT
>> I am fortunate enough to live close to one of the largest flea markets around in Nashville. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by The Patriot on June 28, 1997 at 09:49:14 PDT I just picked up Agent America, and all I can say is it rocks! I recomened this series for any Captain America Fan. hehehehehhehehehe Host = slip129-37-158-111.on.ca.ibm.net (129.37.158.111) |
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Posted by The Patriot on June 28, 1997 at 09:53:42 PDT > Unless this topic has been posted already, any favorites? > Falcon
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Posted by Agent America on June 28, 1997 at 09:57:45 PDT 5577........Haw haw! Agent America Rules! hhhehehehhehehehehhehehehehheheeheheheheh! Host = slip129-37-158-111.on.ca.ibm.net (129.37.158.111) |
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Posted by Agent America on June 28, 1997 at 10:00:08 PDT This would be a tough call but I see Agent America coming out on top in the end........he..he..he..hehehehhehehhehehehehehehhehehehhehehehehehehe! Host = slip129-37-158-111.on.ca.ibm.net (129.37.158.111) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 28, 1997 at 10:38:51 PDT > I noticed on Michael Kaiser's excellent Sentinel of Liberty webpage a mention of the Captain America Mailing List. I just recently joined another mailing list (not Cap-related) and wondered whether I should subscribe to the Cap one or not? Any opinions on what it is like? > Rob Rarely anyone uses the Mailing List anymore especially since this Message Board was set up. Still, it's not that hard to sign on. It would only take about a minute at the most. It doesn't bog you down will countless amounts of e-mail like most mailing lists tend to do. I would say go for it just because! Heh. Mike.... Host = c.sm2.garlic.net (208.195.162.34) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 28, 1997 at 10:40:58 PDT
> > I noticed on Michael Kaiser's excellent Sentinel of Liberty webpage a mention of the Captain America Mailing List. I just recently joined another mailing list (not Cap-related) and wondered whether I should subscribe to the Cap one or not? Any opinions on what it is like? Hey Batroc. Got any Cap stories? I only have one fan fiction submission and that's not nearly enough. Send me something! Mike.... Host = c.sm2.garlic.net (208.195.162.34) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 28, 1997 at 11:15:03 PDT > I just picked up Agent America, and all I can say is it rocks! I recomened this series for any Captain America Fan. hehehehehhehehehe Pardon moi "Patriot" but you're a fake! Yeah! That's right you're an imposter!! And guess what? If you impersonate someone you get banned!! B'bye now! Cya
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 28, 1997 at 12:08:36 PDT Hey, I'm #5600!!! Do I get a prize or something?? Cya
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Posted by Roscoe on June 28, 1997 at 12:36:03 PDT
> > Sorry fellas. But Cap is not seeking to join SHIELD in Avengers #32. Cap goes to SHIELD HQ to obtain information on the Sons of the Serpent. See pages 12-14. Yes. But he had been trying to join SHIELD in the issues prior to that, which is what I was referring to. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-06.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.38) |
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Posted by Jamie on June 28, 1997 at 12:40:15 PDT
Sure he will . And Lois Lane can beat Wonder Woman . I could Jamie Host = bristlecone.frazmtn.com (204.212.38.12) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 28, 1997 at 12:46:07 PDT
And don't tell me Agent America has any relevence to Captain America. In case you didn't know the Agent America project has been shelved indefinately. Let's hope we can soon say the same for his posting namesake. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-06.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.38) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 28, 1997 at 13:09:21 PDT
> > Sure he will . And Lois Lane can beat Wonder Woman . I could > Jamie Hey, I thought you liked Agent America! Cya
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Posted by Jamie on June 28, 1997 at 13:14:52 PDT
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Posted by Jamie on June 28, 1997 at 13:18:16 PDT
> > Sure he will . And Lois Lane can beat Wonder Woman . I could > > Jamie > Hey, I thought you liked Agent America!
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 28, 1997 at 15:00:54 PDT
> > - Jamie Uh...John Taylor is the Moderator of the Night Wing board not the Cap board!
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Posted by Batroc on June 28, 1997 at 16:03:30 PDT
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Posted by Captain America on June 28, 1997 at 19:02:40 PDT I would like to say that I'm sorry for insulting any Cap fans, and the messages posted were supposed to be in good humor, but seeing how upset I have made most people on the message board I'm anouncing Agent America's retirement.Sincerely yours Captain (formaly Agent)America.
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Posted by Jamie on June 28, 1997 at 20:23:25 PDT
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Posted by Jamie on June 28, 1997 at 20:24:20 PDT
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Posted by Rob on June 28, 1997 at 21:44:47 PDT
> >>I bet Rob has some good story ideas. He's well read, a huge Cap fan and takes this stuff serious. Nope, i haven't written fiction in a long while...and am too busy currently to do much creative writing. But I know what angle I'd like to see Cap go in today -- similar to the "relevant" style of the early 1970s issues. By the way, maybe any interested writers out there could post chapters of their Cap fanfiction on this board, too. Rob P.S.: By the way, I did subscribe to the Cap Mailing List today, but haven't received anything so far.
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Posted by Onslaught on June 28, 1997 at 23:30:05 PDT Am I the only one here who enjoyed the early X-Force issues? I mean #'s 1-10! Host = van-52-1202.direct.ca (204.174.250.50) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 29, 1997 at 06:18:45 PDT
** degree of difficulty--I think above average!! Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 29, 1997 at 13:00:26 PDT
I remember the two meeting in the Living Monolith graphic novel; but I doubt that was the answer you were looking for. Falcon
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Posted by Batroc on June 29, 1997 at 15:09:55 PDT
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 29, 1997 at 16:27:44 PDT OK, the big Pete vs. Ben controversy started when Ben replaced Peter so what I'm asking is that the original Red Skull(Johan Schmidt) died of old age,yes? But he came back from a cloned body of Steve Rogers and he has all the same memories of the original Red Skull! So what I'm asking is why aren't you guys raising a ruckus that the original Red Skull was replaced by this...this....imposter!! Like the way Peter fans did? And didn't the original Red Skull's ghost appeared? Was this explained? Cya Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! Host = bak-ca1-04.ix.netcom.com (204.32.156.36) |
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 29, 1997 at 16:36:51 PDT > OK, the big Pete vs. Ben controversy started when Ben replaced Peter so what I'm asking is that the original Red Skull(Johan Schmidt) died of old age,yes? But he came back from a cloned body of Steve Rogers and he has all the same memories of the original Red Skull! So what I'm asking is why aren't you guys raising a ruckus that the original Red Skull was replaced by this...this....imposter!! Like the way Peter fans did? And didn't the original Red Skull's ghost appeared? Was this explained?
> Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! Because the Skull's mind was placed in the clone body. Mentally, there's just the same old Skull. His ghost turned out to be a holographic image controlled by the true Skull, according to OHOTMU Update '89.
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 29, 1997 at 16:52:48 PDT Okay I have a question for you all. Steve Rogers was the first Captain America and his Bucky's name was James Barnes. William Nasland was the second Captain America and his Bucky's name was...*insert name here* Jefferey Mace was the third Captain America and his Bucky's name was...*insert name here* Unknown (who's name was legally changed to Steve Rogers) was the fourth Captain America and his Bucky's name was James Monroe who later became Nomad. Roscoe was the fifth Captain America and he didn't have a Bucky. John Walker was the sixth Captain America and his Bucky's name was Lemar Hoskins. So my question is where and how can I find out the missing Bucky's names and bios? Anyone know? Mike.... Host = e.sm1.garlic.net (208.195.162.4) |
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 29, 1997 at 17:40:33 PDT > > OK, the big Pete vs. Ben controversy started when Ben replaced Peter so what I'm asking is that the original Red Skull(Johan Schmidt) died of old age,yes? But he came back from a cloned body of Steve Rogers and he has all the same memories of the original Red Skull! So what I'm asking is why aren't you guys raising a ruckus that the original Red Skull was replaced by this...this....imposter!! Like the way Peter fans did? And didn't the original Red Skull's ghost appeared? Was this explained? > > > Whenever there was injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > Because the Skull's mind was placed in the clone body. Mentally, there's just the same old Skull. His ghost turned out to be a holographic image controlled by the true Skull, according to OHOTMU Update '89. > Yeah, but Reilly had the same memories as Peter Parker too!
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on June 29, 1997 at 17:42:50 PDT > Okay I have a question for you all. > Steve Rogers was the first Captain America and his Bucky's name was James Barnes. > William Nasland was the second Captain America and his Bucky's name was...*insert name here* > Jefferey Mace was the third Captain America and his Bucky's name was...*insert name here* > Unknown (who's name was legally changed to Steve Rogers) was the fourth Captain America and his Bucky's name was James Monroe who later became Nomad. > Roscoe was the fifth Captain America and he didn't have a Bucky. > John Walker was the sixth Captain America and his Bucky's name was Lemar Hoskins. > So my question is where and how can I find out the missing Bucky's names and bios? Anyone know? > Mike.... I thought the original Bucky's name was Buchanan Barnes!!
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Posted by Agent America on June 29, 1997 at 18:11:19 PDT
Well, since Captain America isn't using the name "Agent America" Agent America Host = bristlecone.frazmtn.com (204.212.38.12) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 29, 1997 at 19:08:58 PDT
> Well, since Captain America isn't using the name "Agent America" > Agent America How can you be a fan of a charcter that not only has never appeared, but by the looks of it never will? They have put the AA project on the shelf for what looks to be the rest of eternity. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-08.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.40) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 29, 1997 at 19:31:30 PDT
> ** degree of difficulty--I think above average!! Apparently? This is not my official guess, but based on this comment I would have to think it is either in ToS #58 with fellow longtime Spidey foe Chameleon impersonating Cap, or Strange Tales #114 with the Acrobat impersonating Cap. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-08.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.40) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 29, 1997 at 19:36:31 PDT
> > ** degree of difficulty--I think above average!! Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 29, 1997 at 19:41:41 PDT
> > > ** degree of difficulty--I think above average!! Hey, I said that wasn't my guess. I was just free associating, but I havent gotten out my collection or anything yet. Speaking of which, anyone else read the Cap stuff in Strange Tales #159-162? Steranko's art is awesome, but what really surprised me is his writing, which is terrific. I think I may be picking up the rest of his SHIELD run, it is something. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-08.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.40) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 29, 1997 at 19:42:32 PDT
> > > OK, the big Pete vs. Ben controversy started when Ben replaced Peter so what I'm asking is that the original Red Skull(Johan Schmidt) died of old age,yes? But he came back from a cloned body of Steve Rogers and he has all the same memories of the original Red Skull! So what I'm asking is why aren't you guys raising a ruckus that the original Red Skull was replaced by this...this....imposter!! Like the way Peter fans did? And didn't the original Red Skull's ghost appeared? Was this explained? Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 29, 1997 at 19:47:49 PDT
> > Okay I have a question for you all. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 29, 1997 at 19:56:06 PDT
> > > > ** degree of difficulty--I think above average!! Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Jack Monroe on June 29, 1997 at 20:48:22 PDT
the USAgent? I got out of comics for a while but Host = dial-2.r01.tncphl.InfoAve.Net (204.116.102.42) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 29, 1997 at 20:57:39 PDT
They sure do, including one of the coolest splash pages ever. Thing and Mr. Fantastic are standing in the Baxter building looking at a bank of huge viewscreens that are showing Cap dropping from the sky. Above the screens is the story title and a long caption, and the whole thing is framed at the bottom by Fury's eyepatch and face, with the credits contained therin. Think this is #161, a great issue. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-08.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.40) |
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Posted by Rob on June 29, 1997 at 21:36:52 PDT
> -Roscoe I don't have those issues -- the only Steranko-Strange Tales I have is #163, with no Cap (but with Fury vs. Yellow Claw...and the intro, I think, of Clay Quatermain). But I do have some reprints of some of Cap's Strange Tales appearences. Captain America Special Edition #2 (1984) reprints one titled "Spy School." The back cover of the comic reprints the scene from the front cover of that original Strange Tales issue. The liner notes say that it is reprinted from Strange Tales #169, but they obviously must have meant #159. At the end of "Spy School," the next issue box says "Blackout" which is the title given to a Steranko Nick Fury story reprinted in Capt Britain #3-4. (They'd carry one story across two issues, by the way, when they reprinted them.) These have Capt A & Fury in them, but no Yellow Claw yet. In Capt Britain #5, they reprinted the first half of the Fury story described by Roscoe above, "The Second Doom." Still no Claw in them yet, tho. The FF shown are Reed & Ben Grimm. Other old Fury stories were reprinted in NICK FURY, AGENT OF SHIELD #16-18 (10970-71); SHIELD #1-5 (1973; reprints Strange Tales #146-155 Fury tales); NICK FURY, AGENT OF SHIELD #1-2 (1983-84, Steranko reprints); AMAZING ADVENTURES #12 (1980) reprinted Strange Tales #168 by Steranko (altho i think they may have left a page out?). According to the Overstreet Price Guide, Steranko Nick Fury stories were reprinted in Captain Britain #1-20, 24-31, 35-37. The Overstreet Guide says Cap was in Strange Tales #159-162. So, from my reprints, I have #159, 160, and the first half of #161's story. Speaking of Capt Britain, i have an issue of his series (#22), where Captains America & Britain team-up to fight the Red Skull. Fury's in it, too. As for the trivia question, again I've no idea. I know that Cap met Joe Robertson back around Cap #120 or so, but can't remember Cap & Jonah meeting face-to-face. I knew Jonah wasn't in TOS #58 & the Torch-Acrobat/Cap story, though. I guess maybe Cap & Jonah met at Reed & Sue's wedding since I've heard everybody was in that issue. (Who would invite Jonah to their wedding, tho?) Rob
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Posted by Jamie on June 29, 1997 at 22:04:35 PDT
I haven't seen him in ages ! Jamie Host = bristlecone.frazmtn.com (204.212.38.12) |
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Posted by Big Sal on June 29, 1997 at 22:43:59 PDT
How does everyone like the return of the team of Garney,and Waid coming back to the book. How was the Heroes Reborn storyline? I won't ask about the art work because I thought it stunk(I mean Liefield's work). I was really getting back into Captain America with Garney and Waid and then they at Marvel yanked them off the book. i just wanted to know how others felt about the change. Host = host-207-53-4-202.atl.bellsouth.net (207.53.4.202) |
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Posted by Jamie on June 30, 1997 at 00:15:30 PDT
- Big Sal Well, I liked all of the Heroes Reborn stories, from the first six issues, - Jamie Host = bristlecone.frazmtn.com (204.212.38.12) |
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 30, 1997 at 02:18:13 PDT
> > Well, since Captain America isn't using the name "Agent America" > > Agent America > How can you be a fan of a charcter that not only has never appeared, but by the looks of it never will? They have put the AA project on the shelf for what looks to be the rest of eternity. > -Roscoe Thank God for that. TJB Host = 206.28.33.120 (206.28.33.120) |
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 30, 1997 at 02:20:20 PDT
> > I haven't seen him in ages ! > Jamie He was in Force Works and the Brothers in Arms for a bit, but dropped out of sight soon after. He may be in Avengers #1.
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 30, 1997 at 02:25:10 PDT
> > > Okay I have a question for you all. You are correct sir! He was the Yankee's ballboy and was Bucky for both the second and third Captain Americas. His name was Fred Davis. He impersonated Bucky in the aforementioned Invaders crossover in the Marvel Premier part. By the way, who's Roscoe?
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Posted by Batroc on June 30, 1997 at 05:34:26 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on June 30, 1997 at 05:40:53 PDT
> > > > Okay I have a question for you all. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
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Posted by Batroc on June 30, 1997 at 05:45:59 PDT
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Posted by Patriot on June 30, 1997 at 06:23:35 PDT
> > I haven't seen him in ages ! > > Jamie > He was in Force Works and the Brothers in Arms for a bit, but dropped out of sight soon after. He may be in Avengers #1. > US Agent's last appearence was in the final issue of Force Works. They were hinting a possible romance between Spider Woman and him. Maybe they're seeing each other on the West Coast. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
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Posted by Patriot on June 30, 1997 at 06:31:33 PDT
> > > Agent America > > How can you be a fan of a charcter that not only has never appeared, but by the looks of it never will? They have put the AA project on the shelf for what looks to be the rest of eternity. > > -Roscoe > Thank God for that. > TJB Liefeld is still puttting out AA only he's calling it Fighting American. Simon and Kirby came up with the concept long ago. Leifeld bought the rights to the name and now Marvel has to back down from stopping him. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
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Posted by Patriot on June 30, 1997 at 06:49:37 PDT
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Posted by TLesch on June 30, 1997 at 07:25:45 PDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > > > > > HEY!!! NO one deserves an accusation like that! > > > > > TJB > > > > You guys are forgetting that Plaidy has come up with many original posts, ideas, jokes, insights....with that in mind, do you think that he could be Rob Liefeld??? > > > That could not be possible. When you look up plagarism in the dictionary, there is a drawing of Rob Liefeld..of course, it has no feet....... > > And don't forget, about 80 or so teeth! > > Falcon > What is the world coming to if all we can talk about is how bad Liefeld is and start making accusations about who his characteristics. Jeez. -Lighten up, Devil Dog. We are talking about the numerous flaws of Rob's art, and that's fair game. As artists, some of us have a lot of opinions about Liefeld's art. He did draw Cap, and this is the Cap page. Besides, your sentence isn't very coherent. Host = pm15-01.magicnet.net (206.104.204.194) |
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Posted by Michael Kaiser on June 30, 1997 at 07:40:47 PDT > > Okay I have a question for you all. > > Steve Rogers was the first Captain America and his Bucky's name was James Barnes. > > William Nasland was the second Captain America and his Bucky's name was...*insert name here* > > Jefferey Mace was the third Captain America and his Bucky's name was...*insert name here* > > Unknown (who's name was legally changed to Steve Rogers) was the fourth Captain America and his Bucky's name was James Monroe who later became Nomad. > > Roscoe was the fifth Captain America and he didn't have a Bucky. > > John Walker was the sixth Captain America and his Bucky's name was Lemar Hoskins. > > So my question is where and how can I find out the missing Bucky's names and bios? Anyone know? > > Mike.... > I thought the original Bucky's name was Buchanan Barnes!! > > James Buchanan Barnes yes. Host = v.sm1.garlic.net (208.195.162.21) |
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Posted by Falcon on June 30, 1997 at 08:56:06 PDT
> US Agent's last appearence was in the final issue of Force Works. They were hinting a possible romance between Spider Woman and him. Maybe they're seeing each other on the West Coast. > Patriot.
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 30, 1997 at 15:01:04 PDT
> > US Agent's last appearence was in the final issue of Force Works. They were hinting a possible romance between Spider Woman and him. Maybe they're seeing each other on the West Coast. > > Patriot. > > Falcon The Force Works costume sucked. I believe Marvel should reform the WCA
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Posted by TJ Burns on June 30, 1997 at 15:02:30 PDT
> > > > > Agent America > > > How can you be a fan of a charcter that not only has never appeared, but by the looks of it never will? They have put the AA project on the shelf for what looks to be the rest of eternity. > > > -Roscoe > > Thank God for that. > > TJB > Liefeld is still puttting out AA only he's calling it Fighting American. Simon and Kirby came up with the concept long ago. Leifeld bought the rights to the name and now Marvel has to back down from stopping him. ARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Please say it ain't so!!
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Posted by TLesch on June 30, 1997 at 15:14:01 PDT
> > > > I haven't seen him in ages ! > > > Jamie > > He was in Force Works and the Brothers in Arms for a bit, but dropped out of sight soon after. He may be in Avengers #1. > > > US Agent's last appearence was in the final issue of Force Works. They were hinting a possible romance between Spider Woman and him. Maybe they're seeing each other on the West Coast. > Patriot. -He still fights crime as Walker, Texas Ranger. Hey, do I get a prize? Host = pm23-22.magicnet.net (206.104.199.183) |
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Posted by Patriot on June 30, 1997 at 15:25:00 PDT
> > > Patriot. > > > > Falcon > The Force Works costume sucked. I believe Marvel should reform the WCA > Citizen V is waaay to contrary to John's style. I don't think there was anything wrong with the name or MOST of the FW costume. I just hated the mask. There was a backup story in Issue #4 I think where the artist made a goof and John's mask looked more like Guardian's (James Hudson). That would look really cool. Patriot P.S. Bring back NOMAD! Host = fastppp80.idirect.com (207.136.97.80) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 30, 1997 at 17:26:00 PDT
> > > > > > > Agent America > > > > How can you be a fan of a charcter that not only has never appeared, but by the looks of it never will? They have put the AA project on the shelf for what looks to be the rest of eternity. > > > > -Roscoe > > > Thank God for that. > > > TJB > > Liefeld is still puttting out AA only he's calling it Fighting American. Simon and Kirby came up with the concept long ago. Leifeld bought the rights to the name and now Marvel has to back down from stopping him.
> It is so, but...god help me...to my mind it gives the project an air of respectability. Fighting American is a Simon and Kirby creation, he has a long and storied history (not alot ofstories, but...) and is a real honest to goodness viable character. Wheras AA was just a spiteful rip-off designed for no purpose other than petty revenge. I am sorry Simon and the estate of Kirby agreed to let Liefield use FA, but on the other hand it is noce to see FA in the published ranks again. Of course, there's no way I am going to buy it. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma3-13.ix.netcom.com (206.217.145.77) |
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Posted by Jamie on June 30, 1997 at 20:27:20 PDT Dear Readers, Today is going to be my last day on the message boards . Jamie Host = bristlecone.frazmtn.com (204.212.38.12) |
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Posted by Roscoe on June 30, 1997 at 20:59:32 PDT > Dear Readers, > Today is going to be my last day on the message boards . > Jamie Eh, I don't know the answer to either of these, but I'm pretty sure he'll look a bit different. The uni I saw had a star in a circle on his chest...it looked like an updated, 90's version of the 50's FA costume. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma3-13.ix.netcom.com (206.217.145.77) |
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Posted by Patriot on June 30, 1997 at 21:30:18 PDT
> > Today is going to be my last day on the message boards . > > Jamie > Eh, I don't know the answer to either of these, but I'm pretty sure he'll look a bit different. The uni I saw had a star in a circle on his chest...it looked like an updated, 90's version of the 50's FA costume. > -Roscoe Sadly, I'm pretty sure FA still looks like AA. He looks like a bad knock off of Cap with a silver shield. That's all I'm saying. Let's all try to set an example and ignore it from here on in. Patriot salutes you. Host = fastppp556.idirect.com (207.136.99.48) |
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Posted by Deadpool on June 30, 1997 at 22:16:11 PDT
Well j was geting in the story line too when waid and garney started...now im glad they are comeing back to the regular world of marvel...but im not sure how all this is going to affect the rest of the histroy of the marvel world. Host = gators51.salsgiver.com (206.67.234.176) |
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Posted by Deadpool on June 30, 1997 at 22:43:55 PDT
Well i enjoyed them :) Includeing when Shatterstar and Deadpool meet :) Host = gators51.salsgiver.com (206.67.234.176) |
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Posted by Deadpool on June 30, 1997 at 23:07:52 PDT
I agree with you Batroc ..... Cap wouldnt be on the board for the big fights but there still are other ones he can go up against :) I for one would love to see a arena board :) Ohhh ya i seen someone said something about the Batman vs Cap story and Batman won...well i hated the whole series of the DC and Marvel....the fights were small and the story behind it sucked and the match up were way out there too :) Who was the one to pick the ones to fight im not sure but they did a bad job at it :) Ohh ya Batman won by luck a sewer pipe of water some how throws water out and hit Cap and Batmat hits him with his boomerage.....well i thought this was lame....and Cap would kick his butt anyday :) Host = gators51.salsgiver.com (206.67.234.176) |
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Posted by Deadpool on June 30, 1997 at 23:29:41 PDT
> > "- Captain America will find himself in Japan early on in the new run, in an adventure involving a group of rebels opposed to the westernization of their county and culture. Cap obviously won't be a welcome sight. > > "- Mark Waid also wants to do a Captain America flashback story featuring Cap, Namor, and the original Human Torch, in the untold tale of ATLANTIS' time as a WWII Axis power." > > Also, the page reports that Jim Steranko (who has been mistakenly pronounced dead on this Cap message board at least twice!) > > The page also says that Avengers will be starting over with #1...So, has it been confirmed that Cap's numbering will start over from #1 again? Any opinions on that matter? (Personally, I think I'd like to see it go back to the old numbering for the sake of tradition. But if the new Cap is going to be unlike the old series, maybe it should start over.) > > Rob > From what Waid, Garney, Busiek, David, and Perez said the numbering has not been finalized and will not be for a couple of weeks. The creative teams all want to start from the numbers that the issues stoped at before Heroes Reborn, while some of the Marvel people want to start at #1. I for one hope they continue with the old numbering system for the sake of tradition. > Hal/Wally in 2000 I think they should stay where they left off at....i would like the storys to come out and to see what happen to the others that were in his books...and now if they begin at #1 Will they pick up where they have left off? Host = gators51.salsgiver.com (206.67.234.176) |