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Posted by Jamie on August 08, 1997 at 02:14:49 PDT
Remember his/her run on Superman in Action Comics ? * vomits * I can't Jamie
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Posted by Inuit on August 08, 1997 at 06:42:04 PDT
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Posted by Inuit on August 08, 1997 at 06:43:05 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on August 08, 1997 at 07:40:45 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on August 08, 1997 at 07:50:46 PDT
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Posted by Falcon on August 08, 1997 at 08:08:01 PDT
> Remember his/her run on Superman in Action Comics ? * vomits * I can't
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Posted by Batroc on August 08, 1997 at 08:19:40 PDT
>>>Molecular Rearrangement would destroy the Shield where brute force has always failed. Magnetic has hurled the Shield magnetically in Super Villian Team-up. Attn. Thor Fans, He also hurled Mjolinir which I think is inaccurate. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
Posted by Falcon on August 08, 1997 at 09:56:12 PDT
> >>>Molecular Rearrangement would destroy the Shield where brute force has always failed. Magnetic has hurled the Shield magnetically in Super Villian Team-up. Attn. Thor Fans, He also hurled Mjolinir which I think is inaccurate.
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Posted by Rob on August 08, 1997 at 12:02:08 PDT
> Falcon I will definitely second that. I had spent years hating what had become of Cap during Gruenwald's reign. And when I first saw Dwyer's pencils (#349 & 350), because of the rushed inking style, I felt Dwyer was a poor artist. But this year, when I decided to complete my Cap collection, it is Dwyer's Bloodstone Hunt which sold me on these later Cap issues (which I'd previously despised and ignored). I've since bought a Bizarro Superman Annual that he drew, which I wasn't as crazy about. But I love his old Cap work. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
Posted by David Medinnus on August 08, 1997 at 12:21:35 PDT
I cannot help but agree; it seems clear that both Adamantium and Vinranium are magnetic, and the precedent of the Wolvie-skeleton is pretty clear. Granted, the special alloy is tougher, but Magneto didn't kill himself doing Wolvie's skeleton, either. -DM Host = pc3.commerce.net (205.180.68.53) |
Posted by Falcon on August 08, 1997 at 12:27:03 PDT
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Posted by NovaOO on August 08, 1997 at 16:32:02 PDT
> Patriot Patriot. Host = btstts01c29.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.219.35) |
Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 08, 1997 at 17:50:31 PDT
> » Hey! Hey! Hey! I did not stay there for an eternity!! I didn't even let those banners load! Besides it was probably one of those pay for sites!! I was there at least for like 3 seconds then I immediatly pressed the "back" button!! Who're you gonna beleive,folks? A Leaper or a Skull? Cya
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Posted by gordon on August 09, 1997 at 06:18:43 PDT Can someone explain the rationale behind this heroes reborn crud? I like some of the new art, (Cap really looks good) but why are they doing this? How will it all end? Will Cap wake up in the shower and we will be told it all was a dream? I don't think I can take much more of this rewrite of my favorite legend.
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Posted by Falcon on August 09, 1997 at 12:08:25 PDT
> I like some of the new art, (Cap really looks good) but why are they doing this? > How will it all end? Will Cap wake up in the shower and we will be told it all was a dream? > I don't think I can take much more of this rewrite of my favorite legend. Cap and the other heroes will be returning in a 4-part series, all 4 parts being released in October. In November, a new volume of the Cap (along with the Fantastic Four series) will begin, . Falcon Host = 197.new-york-008.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.39.197) |
Posted by Falcon on August 09, 1997 at 12:09:29 PDT
> I like some of the new art, (Cap really looks good) but why are they doing this? > How will it all end? Will Cap wake up in the shower and we will be told it all was a dream? > I don't think I can take much more of this rewrite of my favorite legend. Cap and the other heroes will be returning in a 4-part series, all 4 parts being released in October. In November, a new volume of the Cap (along with the Fantastic Four series) will begin, . Falcon Oops, forgot the mention the title of the 4-parter: Heroes Reborn: the Return, by Peter David and Sal Larrocca Host = 197.new-york-008.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.39.197) |
Posted by Jamie on August 09, 1997 at 15:28:08 PDT
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Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 09, 1997 at 16:42:46 PDT
> Jamie Just a little note but Shield from impact comics was based upon Pep comics Shield which preceeded Cap, so he can't be a knock-off. Secondly, Agent Liberty is nothing like Cap (aside from the fact he's a patriotic super-hero.). Tobin Host = host525.tor1.pda.attcanada.com (142.194.138.13) |
Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 09, 1997 at 16:45:09 PDT
> > > Jamie > Just a little note but Shield from impact comics was based upon Pep comics Shield which preceeded Cap, so he can't be a knock-off. Secondly, Agent Liberty is nothing like Cap (aside from the fact he's a patriotic super-hero.). > Tobin Oh yeah, also if you want to talk about original how about a female side-kick for FA/AA who looks mysteriously like Liefields' Buckette and an arch-villain called the "Silver Skull", who's a Nazi. Yeah that's original. Tobin Host = host525.tor1.pda.attcanada.com (142.194.138.13) |
Posted by agent america on August 09, 1997 at 19:53:16 PDT
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Posted by Patriot on August 09, 1997 at 20:30:39 PDT
As US Agent returned in Cap #354, I have returned from my vacation. I didn't see Alpha Flight in New Brunswick (but I did see a hick who was hairy enough to be Sasquatch). At least I got to drive home through Maine-New Hampshire-Vermont and upstate New Wow! A lot of good discussions have been posted since I've been gone. I'm going to answer the one's that I can here ( I just got back and don't have much time). There. I'm done. Host = fastppp90.idirect.com (207.136.97.90) |
Posted by Roscoe on August 09, 1997 at 22:18:51 PDT
> > > > > > > > Falcon I quite enjoy Dwyer's art, and might add that he is a very nice guy as well. -Roscoe Host = wor-ma1-16.ix.netcom.com (205.184.168.48) |
Posted by agent america on August 09, 1997 at 23:58:27 PDT
> They have diffrent powers. Jamie was the preveiw good. how big was he in judgment day one Host = pm1-0.wcoil.com (206.230.70.51) |
Posted by agent america on August 10, 1997 at 00:16:06 PDT
when I type it in it went to the comic one. Host = pm1-0.wcoil.com (206.230.70.51) |
Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 10, 1997 at 00:27:55 PDT
> > Fanboys, > > Jamie Yeah? Well, what's his powers? And does he have a shield? Does he have a skull-headed villain? Does he have a teenage side kick?
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Posted by Jamie on August 10, 1997 at 01:15:51 PDT
S.P.I.C.E. is another of Rob Liefeld's cool creations for Awesome I don't think so ! S.P.I.C.E. from what I hear, is going to have a way On one of the pages, there is sloppy writing saying that S.P.I.C.E. Now, in Rob Liefeld's run on Cap, I think that Rikki was very So, tell me with a straight face that S.P.I.C.E. is a copy off of Jamie P.S. Also, Fighting American had a recent WAY cool costume Host = bristlecone.frazmtn.com (204.212.38.12) |
Posted by Red Norvell on August 10, 1997 at 02:37:38 PDT
> Fanboys, > Jamie Ughh, please stop. I can't stands no more! If Rob Liefeld draws it, of course he'll have a much bigger bone structure. I still have nightmares about his 15 foot, Cap-zilla. All of Liefeld's characters are rip-offs. He has NO TALENT, so he copies--I mean steels--other peoples ideas. I just hope Marvel sues his ass. -Red Norvell (the anti-Liefeld!) Host = hal-ns1-40.netcom.ca (207.181.94.104) |
Posted by Red Norvell on August 10, 1997 at 02:58:19 PDT
> 1. Cap's Shield: I'm sorry, but that's simply ridiculous. Galactus or the Stranger not being able to harm the shield? What ever you're on, cut the dose. :) Vibranium can be taken apart at the molecular level. It's made up of molecules, isn't it? No matter how dense, or odd, the matter is, it is still only molecules. Perhaps terran technology cannot muster the power, but the Silver Surfer could--easily. Cosmic energy works not only at the sub-molecular level--but the sub-atomic level! Everything in the universe was created from cosmic energy. Air, color, stars, nebulas--all of it. Think of it as Eternity's blood. The only way for the shield to resist cosmic power, is if it was forged outside the the Multiverse entirely. Galactus could create a billion shields--much, much, tougher than any vibranium/adamantium mix. Sorry, but it's true. -Red Norvell Host = hal-ns1-40.netcom.ca (207.181.94.104) |
Posted by Batroc on August 10, 1997 at 06:08:33 PDT
> > 1. Cap's Shield: Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
Posted by Falcon on August 10, 1997 at 07:39:35 PDT
> I'm sorry, but that's simply ridiculous. Galactus or the Stranger not being able to harm the shield? What ever you're on, cut the dose. :) > Vibranium can be taken apart at the molecular level. It's made up of molecules, isn't it? No matter how dense, or odd, the matter is, it is still only molecules. Perhaps terran technology cannot muster the power, but the Silver Surfer could--easily. Cosmic energy works not only at the sub-molecular level--but the sub-atomic level! Everything in the universe was created from cosmic energy. Air, color, stars, nebulas--all of it. Think of it as Eternity's blood. The only way for the shield to resist cosmic power, is if it was forged outside the the Multiverse entirely. > Galactus could create a billion shields--much, much, tougher than any vibranium/adamantium mix. Sorry, but it's true. > -Red Norvell Welcome Back Patriot! I'm inclined to agree with Red, though, at least as far as Galactus is concerned. I mean he can transmute polluted air into components for his world-devouring apparatus (as evidenced in FF 243). Falcon Host = 21.new-york-008.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.39.21) |
Posted by Patriot on August 10, 1997 at 08:00:49 PDT
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Posted by gordon on August 10, 1997 at 08:15:55 PDT
> Cap and the other heroes will be returning in a 4-part series, all 4 parts being released in October. In November, a new volume of the Cap (along with the Fantastic Four series) will begin, . > Falcon > Oops, forgot the mention the title of the 4-parter: Heroes Reborn: the Return, by Peter David and Sal Larrocca Thanks for the info. I kinda have felt like this was an alternate reality we have been watching. Things just weren't quite right. gordon
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Posted by Patriot on August 10, 1997 at 08:30:34 PDT
Perhaps terran technology cannot muster the power, but the Silver Surfer could--easily. Cosmic energy works not only at the sub-molecular level--but the sub-atomic level! Everything in the universe was created from cosmic energy. Air, color, stars, nebulas--all of it. Think of it as Eternity's blood. The only way for the shield to resist cosmic power, is if it was forged outside the the Multiverse entirely. > Galactus could create a billion shields--much, much, tougher than any vibranium/adamantium mix. Sorry, but it's true. > -Red Norvell While I agree completely with your explanation of the Power Cosmic (thinking of it as Eternity's blood is a great analogy), not everyone that manipulates it has the same access to the major arteries. Silver Surfur was infused with enough Cosmic Power to do Galactus' bidding. That is a lot of power compared to earth standards but still only puts him around Thor's league or a little higher. He doesn't even rate with the major cosmic forces because of his small dose of Power Cosmic. Otherwise he would have destroyed Iron Man and Hulk whenever they fought. Host = fastppp22.idirect.com (207.136.97.22) |
Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 10, 1997 at 09:41:15 PDT
> S.P.I.C.E. is another of Rob Liefeld's cool creations for Awesome > I don't think so ! S.P.I.C.E. from what I hear, is going to have a way > On one of the pages, there is sloppy writing saying that S.P.I.C.E. > Now, in Rob Liefeld's run on Cap, I think that Rikki was very > So, tell me with a straight face that S.P.I.C.E. is a copy off of > Jamie > P.S. Also, Fighting American had a recent WAY cool costume With this information in mind, I have two possible comments.... 1) SPICE is a blatant rip off of the Jason Todd Robin....... or 2) SPICE is a blatant rip off or new member of a popular singing group....which one though???.....hmmmmm........ must be clove cause it leaves a bad taste in my mouth...
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Posted by David Medinnus on August 10, 1997 at 10:00:23 PDT > Fanboys, That would be us... :) > Agent America was the best knock off of Captain America ever . I cannot disagree with you more, especially since little of substance has been released from Liefield. First, lets define 'knock-off'; any patriotic hero? In which case Cap isn't an original either; the original Shield (archie comix) predates him. But that's not a fair definition, any more than saying that a 'bug theme' superhero is a knock-off of Spidy; the Tarantula (DC) is a spider-named hero with no relation. Likewise, I don't really consider the Patriot and/or The Spirit Of '76 to be Cap knock-offs - they have their own costume, their own gimmicks (the bulletproof cape, for example). I like to reserve 'knock-off' for blatent "he's not Cap but he might as well be" imitators, such as the unrevised USAgent. Hmm...stole the Captain costume, has a vibranium shield...yep. Cap knock-off. Now, bearing in mind that I wasn't at the San Diego Comic Con, and haven't seen any Fighting American #1 issues yet, my judgement is based on the promotional artwork I've seen for "Agent America": * Patriotic suit - check. ...and of course... * Lawsuit from Marvel - check Contrary to popular belief, Marvel is not particularly sue-happy these days; they have other headaches (like bankruptcy). > I have seen plenty of them, too, if I might add. Three is not MY definition of plenty; try a good dozen (and with your loose definition of knock-off, it should be pretty easy to fill): * Patriot and the foreign knock-offs: * Union Jack (all vintages) > The worst I have ever seen is Agent Liberty . Why ? Actually, I agree; he is a very bad knock-off. Mostly because he BEARS no resemblence to Captain America. > Because he has a bad attitude, for one . He also flies around in Evidence for his defense. And if using a jetpack is unoriginal, everyone since Buck Rogers is guilty (with respects to Wonder Man, RIP). > That leads me to Agent America . Not only does his name have a Style over substance? I don't mean to be excessively picky, but he looks keen only if you like the Liefield style; I don't. Your mileage is allowed to vary, though. :) And I confess, I do like the name. > It kind of reminds me of Captain America in a new costume... It IS the artwork of Captain America, with different detail. > For one, Agent America/Fighting American has a much bigger bone structure . He has more muscletone, also . Anyway, he looks older . He doesn't have wings on his head, either ! He looks precisely like the way Ron draws Cap. Minus the wings. But keep the shield. The URL at: http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/images/agentam.gif pretty much says it all, IMHO. > All I'm really saying is that Rob Liefeld's Fighting American/Agent America I agree, which is part of my objection. Leifield always seems to take the easy way. Doesn't want to work to make his deadlines? Extend the shipping date. Doesn't want an editor to demand more story/smaller panels or consistency in the artwork? Become the boss. I think that Liefield has a certain amount of talent. But he is lazy and undisciplined. Which is OK per se, but a waste of potential. > ...to work on something similar How do you know that the unused work wasn't redrawn/re-written. Granted, I can't prove that it was, but at least I have Occams Razor on my side. Jaime, I don't mind you liking Liefield's work, but open your eyes beyond the imagery (no pun intended), the splash-pages, and the pin-up work. It takes hard work and discipline to put out a quality product consistently and on-time, and Liefield doesn't work that hard. I love the work of Neal Adams, but he can't meet a deadline to save his life anymore, and his various independent comic publishing died because of it - he is the Ghost of Christmas Future for Robbie. -DM Host = pc3.commerce.net (205.180.68.53) |
Posted by Night Hawk on August 10, 1997 at 13:50:32 PDT Thanks for the welcome Patriot, its good to be here. And welcome back. I sure didn't expect my question about adamantium to spark such a debate but the information about Cap's shield has been much appreciated, thanks to all. However, I have another question. I understand that the vibranium/adamantium mixture used to create Cap's shield was an accident that cannot be duplicated again. However, why doesn't the scientific types i.e. Iron-Man, or Dr. Doom use adamantium in their armor? After all if adamantium can be bonded to Wolverine's bones it should be capable of bonding to another metal. Or (and I am going by Batroc's word here as I don't have the issue myself) Ultron-6 made his body out of the stuff. Maybe Iron-Man or Doom would not be able to make an entire suit of armor out of adamantium as they would have to have moveable joints. However, they should have the technology to create adamatium chest or face plates. Does anyone agree with me here? Any input on the creation of adamantium armor would be apprieciated. An inquisitive Night Hawk Host = ppp2004.on.sympatico.ca (206.172.235.84) |
Posted by Patriot on August 10, 1997 at 15:48:44 PDT
> An inquisitive Night Hawk One quick answer would be that no writer wants their hero that powerful. With armor like that, the hero wouldn't have to worry about taking a hit from Thor or Superman. A Marvel Universe response from me is twofold: Host = fastppp286.idirect.com (207.136.98.32) |
Posted by Red Norvell on August 10, 1997 at 16:00:25 PDT
> > > An inquisitive Night Hawk > One quick answer would be that no writer wants their hero that powerful. With armor like that, the hero wouldn't have to worry about taking a hit from Thor or Superman. A Marvel Universe response from me is twofold: I have an Avengers comic where Wonderman crushes Ultron's head rather easily. I forget which issue #, but it wasn't that old (mid 80's). To the best of my knowledge, that version of Ultron was made out of adamantium. How could Simon have done this? He wasn't that strong. -Red Norvell Host = hal-ns1-36.netcom.ca (207.181.94.100) |
Posted by Falcon on August 10, 1997 at 18:07:34 PDT
> * Patriot There's also a character named Captain Kurtz who appeared in one of those Martha Washington goes to War books by Dark Horse comics. The character bore a very strong resemblance to Cap, the major differences being that he wore a golden helmet and the stripes on his abdomen ran horizontally. Falcon Host = 138.new-york-008.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.39.138) |
Posted by Falcon on August 10, 1997 at 18:14:21 PDT
> > An inquisitive Night Hawk > One quick answer would be that no writer wants their hero that powerful. With armor like that, the hero wouldn't have to worry about taking a hit from Thor or Superman. A Marvel Universe response from me is twofold: I think I'd have to go with the explanation that adamantium is in extremely short supply and Stark likes to have several back-up suits in any case. I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to remember hearing somewhere that the knights of medieval Europe being lumbering is a myth. Falcon Host = 138.new-york-008.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.39.138) |
Posted by agent america on August 10, 1997 at 18:26:54 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on August 10, 1997 at 20:10:48 PDT
>>>This is in response to Red Norvell's earlier post on adamantium. I could not post a follow up for some reason. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
Posted by Batroc on August 10, 1997 at 20:29:43 PDT
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Posted by Patriot on August 10, 1997 at 20:59:37 PDT
> > > An inquisitive Night Hawk > > One quick answer would be that no writer wants their hero that powerful. With armor like that, the hero wouldn't have to worry about taking a hit from Thor or Superman. A Marvel Universe response from me is twofold: > I have an Avengers comic where Wonderman crushes Ultron's head rather easily. I forget which issue #, but it wasn't that old (mid 80's). To the best of my knowledge, that version of Ultron was made out of adamantium. How could Simon have done this? He wasn't that strong. > -Red Norvell At the time, the writers were trying to state that Wondy was stronger than even Thor. I have a couple of references that say his fists hit like Thor's hammer not just Thor's fists. This was a very inconsistant time for Avengers. There was a battle where Wondy was mopping up the floor with Thor until Thor used the Hammer on him (WCA Annual #2). They were basically trying to make him the Superman of Marvel perhaps being even stronger than Hulk. However, before this time, he was never as good as Thor or Herc. I think the writers were trying to impress the readers with him taking Ultron's head (Maybe Ultron had a defective neck joint upon his rebuilt). Host = unet162.idirect.com (207.136.67.227) |
Posted by Chad C. Trimble on August 10, 1997 at 21:33:55 PDT I am not a big Liefield fan but I am ready for this new comic to come out. I have a little respect for him to do this because he was removed from Captain America before his time was up and he wants to finish the story. I hope that it is a good story because I am going to spend my 2.50 and pick it up. Well take it easy. Chad C. Trimble Host = pm-jax2-65.coastalnet.com (205.245.112.65) |
Posted by agent america on August 10, 1997 at 22:18:14 PDT Has any read every read the first series. if so who was the villins how many issue. when ws it produce. of yeah was he in judgment day 1 if so was it a big part Host = pm1-27.wcoil.com (206.230.70.78) |
Posted by Patriot on August 11, 1997 at 10:05:06 PDT
We've gotten away from Captain America topics lately but I've got a doosy. With Waid and Garney just around the corner, what would be some of the subjects you would like to see? A Patriot wanting Cap to flourish to greatness once more. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Falcon on August 11, 1997 at 11:44:55 PDT > A Patriot wanting Cap to flourish to greatness once more.
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Posted by Patriot on August 11, 1997 at 12:35:44 PDT
> > Falcon Nomad is back into suspended animation. He is one of my favorate MU characters. The world believes he is dead and only a couple of SHIELD agents know of his deep freeze. Read Nomad #25. It is a hard look at our society and extremists who want to make a change. The writer, Fabian Nieceza gives a one page write up on why he chose to take Jack out of the MU at the series' end. I thought that so much was done with him that I would LOVE to see him return. A Patriot looking for a baby and some cool shades. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Night Hawk on August 11, 1997 at 15:20:54 PDT I have to agree with Patriot that an Invaders return would be most welcome, as would a possible romantic interest with Spitfire. However, along with standing against the anti-mutant bigots Cap should also be used as a vechicle to deal with many of the real world troubles that threaten our society. Things such as the rise of Neo-Nazism, gang crimes, and terrorism. I know that such issues have recently been dealt with in the current story line of Cap vs the Sons of the Serpent. However, I feel that Cap should sometimes deal with the everyday, but nonetheless real villan. The kind of person or group that would blow up the World Trade Center. Cap was created to deal with the real world problem of WWII. He is first and formost a soldier who at times was forced to get down and dirty fighting for a just cause. Marvel Comics should have Captain America dealing or continuing to deal with real problems that effect real Americans. A realist Night Hawk. Host = dyn206-48-121-228.cha.mnsi.net (206.48.121.228) |
Posted by David Medinnus on August 11, 1997 at 15:34:28 PDT
Worse than dead; she's an attorney... Last I saw, she was helping Diamondback with how to procede vis-a-vis Diamondback having drowned Snapdragon (extradition to AIM-land being a stupid idea). -DM Host = pc3.commerce.net (205.180.68.53) |
Posted by David Medinnus on August 11, 1997 at 15:43:03 PDT
Obviously, I agree... :) > 2. I'd like to see more of Sharon and maybe Diamondback too. It would be great if Sharon actually got jealous of another woman (Whoops, that might sound too much like a Zena or Herc episode). She acts so cold that I think she needs something to heat her up. I'd like Diamondback back; Sharon has declared that her relationship (from a romantic standpoint) with Steve is over (and proved it with The Kiss). I don't think Waid intends her to be a romantic interest; I don't think Waid intends ANYONE rsn as a romantic interest. One of the things about the Gruenwald run which bothered me was the post-Galactic Storm issue where Clint and Steve (and eventually Tony) end up in a bar, talking. Steve makes statements like "My personal life is such a failure that I've decided to not have one", which bother me from two standpoints:
> 3. An Invaders reunion much like the one in Namor (# 13??) would be awesome. Having Spitfire, Namor, Union Jack (Joey Chapman with the powers of the Pendragon), and Jim Hammond together again would be awesome. Maybe some of their old foes have come out of retirement or a new menace must be battled. I'd like to see Steve spending time with his old friends as well, especially those who are part of the Invaders past, like Jacqui and Jim. > 4. Just had a brain flash. What if the young, gorgeous Spitfire shows up to be a romantic interest. She was always in love with Steve and was quite upset over how much she had aged when he showed up to help out with Baron Blood. How would other interests like Sharon or Diamondback handle her sheer beauty, super powers and the shared experiences with Steve? Since Rachel has a bit of an inferiority complex anyway (which I was getting real sick of, howevermuch I like Rachel), I suspect she'd quietly fade. Hmmm....I like it, though. Always liked Jacqui. -DM
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Posted by Falcon on August 11, 1997 at 16:07:06 PDT > Nomad is back into suspended animation. He is one of my favorate MU characters. The world believes he is dead and only a couple of SHIELD agents know of his deep freeze. Read Nomad #25. It is a hard look at our society and extremists who want to make a change. The writer, Fabian Nieceza gives a one page write up on why he chose to take Jack out of the MU at the series' end. I thought that so much was done with him that I would LOVE to see him return. > A Patriot looking for a baby and some cool shades. Actually, that's one thing I hope they don't bring back. Cool shades, yes; baby, no. It's just extremely ludicrous to bring a baby with you into dangerous situations. Falcon Host = 195.white-plains-001.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.152.195) |
Posted by Falcon on August 11, 1997 at 16:12:19 PDT
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Posted by Rob on August 11, 1997 at 18:50:02 PDT
> A realist Night Hawk. I agree that Cap should once again tackle real problems. During the whole O.J. thing, I thought it would have been a perfect time for Cap (possibly with the help of the Falcon) to address America's race problems. Since the beginning of this country (and before 1776), racism and racial divisions have been one of America's greatest challenges. I would find it much more interesting for Cap to handle the problems of the real world more than ludicrous super-villains trying to take over the world with robot armies, etc. Another problem Cap should face is the issue of American life -- are most Americans able to achieve the American Dream, or are they being let down by the American government and American businesses. Also, crime has become more prevalent today; as a crimefighter, Cap should stop and ask himself what has gone wrong. After all, if I had fought crime for several decades and the crime rate actually rose in those years, I'd be a bit concerned. Cap should also tackle drug abuse, another growing problem. Also, as you said, Cap should tackle the issue of terrorism. I can imagine a story where an American commits a terrorist act against his own country. Cap could go undercover and find out what the heck is going on. Or if it is a foreign terrorist, do some international investigation of it. Now, here's a question. I seem to recall that back around 1987, the Superman titles used a fictional country (Quarac, i think) to symbolize places like Iraq and Iran. Should Cap's comic do something similar, create a character who symbolizes a well-known foreign leader like Saddam Hussein & the like, or should Cap's comic name the actual names and confront the real people (as it did during WW2, when Cap socked Hitler in the face on Cap #1)? Rob
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Posted by Patriot on August 11, 1997 at 19:22:36 PDT
However, along with standing against the anti-mutant bigots Cap should also be used as a vechicle to deal with many of the real world troubles that threaten our society. Things such as the rise of Neo-Nazism, gang crimes, and terrorism. I know that such issues have recently been dealt with in the current story line of Cap vs the Sons of the Serpent. However, I feel that Cap should sometimes deal with the everyday, but nonetheless real villan. The kind of person or group that would blow up the World Trade Center. Cap was created to deal with the real world problem of WWII. He is first and formost a soldier who at times was forced to get down and dirty fighting for a just cause. Marvel Comics should have Captain America dealing or continuing to deal with real problems that effect real Americans. > > A realist Night Hawk. > I agree that Cap should once again tackle real problems. During the whole O.J. thing, I thought it would have been a perfect time for Cap (possibly with the help of the Falcon) to address America's race problems. Since the beginning of this country (and before 1776), racism and racial divisions have been one of America's greatest challenges. I would find it much more interesting for Cap to handle the problems of the real world more than ludicrous super-villains trying to take over the world with robot armies, etc. Another problem Cap should face is the issue of American life -- are most Americans able to achieve the American Dream, or are they being let down by the American government and American businesses. Also, crime has become more prevalent today; as a crimefighter, Cap should stop and ask himself what has gone wrong. After all, if I had fought crime for several decades and the crime rate actually rose in those years, I'd be a bit concerned. Cap should also tackle drug abuse, another growing problem. Also, as you said, Cap should tackle the issue of terrorism. I can imagine a story where an American commits a terrorist act against his own country. Cap could go undercover and find out what the heck is going on. Or if it is a foreign terrorist, do some international investigation of it. > Rob Both Rob and Night Hawk have brought up good points about facing real world issues. Cap did face the drug scene in " Streets of Poison" but I never felt it was handled correctly. He thought his own super soldier formula was a drug that he was addicted to. He had it purged from his body only to have it replicate itself in his blood once again. He also dealt with terrorism with Flag Smasher and Ultimatum. Patriot.
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Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 11, 1997 at 19:36:31 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on August 11, 1997 at 19:43:39 PDT
>>>Cap's personal life especially his relationships with women have always left alot to be desired. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
Posted by stonecold on August 11, 1997 at 20:12:36 PDT > Has any read every read the first series. if so who was the villins how many issue. when ws it produce. of yeah was he in judgment day 1 if so was it a big part
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Posted by fighting america aka agent america aka man-thing aka war aka stonecold aka maverick 2 aka somethind else aka rodslaught aka re-gex aka kaboom aka youngblood aka chapel aka shaft aka badrock aka what am I gorgetting on August 11, 1997 at 21:48:53 PDT
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Posted by fighting america aka agent america aka man-thing aka war aka stonecold aka maverick 2 else aka rodslaught aka re-gex aka kaboom aka youngblood aka chapel aka shaft aka badrock aka what am I forgetting on August 11, 1997 at 21:49:45 PDT
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Posted by Rob on August 11, 1997 at 21:51:18 PDT
If you are talking about #401, that was a great issue! Lots of comic-strip cameos in that bar, if memory serves! And I loved the idea of giving a lecture to the Avengers like a real lecture...!! > > Steve makes statements like "My personal life is such a failure that
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Posted by fighting america aka agent america aka man-thing aka war on August 11, 1997 at 21:55:01 PDT They are not making a avengers rip off but a jla which marvel has. Host = pm2-27.wcoil.com (206.230.70.47) |
Posted by Night Hawk on August 11, 1997 at 23:22:03 PDT
Patriot, I agree that Nomad is a good example of the underdog trying to fight for the neglected or down trodden. However, the image or message is even more powerful when the most elite superhero has to climb down from the lofty hights and deal with the mother who has just lost her kid to a drive by shooting. To the family and friends that have lost a loved one to violence because he or she was gay, or a different race, or religion. A Night Hawk hunting for truth and justice Host = dyn206-48-121-128.cha.mnsi.net (206.48.121.128) |
Posted by Rob on August 11, 1997 at 23:50:23 PDT
Fighting American ran for seven issues, from April/May 1954 to April/May 1955. (This was the very same month Marvel revived their Golden-Age superheroes, by the way.) Harvey Comics published a one-issue reprint of it in 1966. I believe that Marvel published a tradeback of the stories in the 1990s. I have not read any Fighting American stories, but I think I read that it was a satire, not strictly straight superhero stuff. A great time for that, too, during the McCarthy era. Rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
Posted by Patriot on August 12, 1997 at 06:17:51 PDT
While Cap should look out of place, I think people started looking at him through rose colored glasses. Realistically, a man thawed out from the Forties would smoke lke crazy, love big band music, and wouldn't balk so much at skantily clad women (they had pin-up girls, sex symbols and nudie films overseas in WW II). This man would be much more heavy handed beating up criminals and squeezing them for info (this is what American cops did all the time. There was no miranda rights). His heroes would have been The Untouchables and Cowboys like Wyatt Earp. He would be much more heavy handed than the milder of MU heroes. He would not treat women as equals and might always try to protect them in combat so they wouldn't get hurt. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by NovaOO on August 12, 1997 at 11:00:25 PDT
> Patriot, I agree that Nomad is a good example of the underdog trying to fight for the neglected or down trodden. However, the image or message is even more powerful when the most elite superhero has to climb down from the lofty hights and deal with the mother who has just lost her kid to a drive by shooting. To the family and friends that have lost a loved one to violence because he or she was gay, or a different race, or religion. > To Rob I have the Superman issue that you mentioned I forget what number it is, and as always with DC they use fake names. I think that Marvel should continue to use proper names no matter the circumstances. I strongly believe that we shouldn't sugar coat or hide the truth. If a country, group, or even a lone individual commits an act of terrorism or violence of any type then we should call them on it and let them know that we are not going to tolerate it.
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 12, 1997 at 11:22:29 PDT
> > Patriot, I agree that Nomad is a good example of the underdog trying to fight for the neglected or down trodden. However, the image or message is even more powerful when the most elite superhero has to climb down from the lofty hights and deal with the mother who has just lost her kid to a drive by shooting. To the family and friends that have lost a loved one to violence because he or she was gay, or a different race, or religion. > > To Rob I have the Superman issue that you mentioned I forget what number it is, and as always with DC they use fake names. I think that Marvel should continue to use proper names no matter the circumstances. I strongly believe that we shouldn't sugar coat or hide the truth. If a country, group, or even a lone individual commits an act of terrorism or violence of any type then we should call them on it and let them know that we are not going to tolerate it. I think that Cap would be great on the Real World......he would set those immature kids straight.....but isn't he too old???? Ned Host = 155.42.31.199 (155.42.31.199) |
Posted by fighting america aka agent america aka man-thing aka war on August 12, 1997 at 18:32:11 PDT It might be in my comicsbook stroe tommorrow I will poast spoilers. I gave captain america 11 1 out of 100 stars like every issue of heroes reborn after 6 Host = pm4-14.wcoil.com (206.230.70.132) |
Posted by fighting america aka agent america aka man-thing aka waraka stonecold aka maverick 2 else aka rodslaught aka re-gex aka kaboom aka what am I gorgetting on August 12, 1997 at 18:34:19 PDT > It might be in my comicsbook stroe tommorrow I will poast spoilers. I gave captain america 11 1 out of 100 stars like every issue of heroes reborn after 6 ... Host = pm4-14.wcoil.com (206.230.70.132) |
Posted by fighting america aka agent america aka man-thing aka war aka stonecold aka maverick 2 else aka rodslaught aka re-gex aka kaboom aka what am I forgetting on August 12, 1997 at 18:35:26 PDT > It might be in my comicsbook stroe tommorrow I will poast spoilers. I gave captain america 11 1 out of 100 stars like every issue of heroes reborn after 6 ... Host = pm4-14.wcoil.com (206.230.70.132) |
Posted by Night Hawk on August 12, 1997 at 20:28:43 PDT
> > Patriot, I agree that Nomad is a good example of the underdog trying to fight for the neglected or down trodden. However, the image or message is even more powerful when the most elite superhero has to climb down from the lofty hights and deal with the mother who has just lost her kid to a drive by shooting. To the family and friends that have lost a loved one to violence because he or she was gay, or a different race, or religion. > > To Rob I have the Superman issue that you mentioned I forget what number it is, and as always with DC they use fake names. I think that Marvel should continue to use proper names no matter the circumstances. I strongly believe that we shouldn't sugar coat or hide the truth. If a country, group, or even a lone individual commits an act of terrorism or violence of any type then we should call them on it and let them know that we are not going to tolerate it. Sure comics are a form of entertainment. However, many entertainment industries have used varrious real world enemys. Cap originally fought Nazi soldiers. Every movie and book to come out of the forties was against the evil German or Japanese empires. In the fifties to early eighties our attentions were turned to the Cold War. How many Russians did James Bond take out? In the late eighties we turned to the drug smuglers of Columbia, or the political arena of South Africa i.e. Lethal Weapon 2. However, I find it somewhat ironic that in this decade that Hollywood seems to be returning to older villians. In Golden Eye for example bad Russians attempt to throw the world into economic chaos. In Air Force One bad Russians hijack the President's plane. "All the world is a stage..." A Bard quoting Night Hawk Host = dyn206-48-121-154.cha.mnsi.net (206.48.121.154) |
Posted by PeterParker on August 12, 1997 at 20:31:57 PDT
> > > Patriot, I agree that Nomad is a good example of the underdog trying to fight for the neglected or down trodden. However, the image or message is even more powerful when the most elite superhero has to climb down from the lofty hights and deal with the mother who has just lost her kid to a drive by shooting. To the family and friends that have lost a loved one to violence because he or she was gay, or a different race, or religion. > > > To Rob I have the Superman issue that you mentioned I forget what number it is, and as always with DC they use fake names. I think that Marvel should continue to use proper names no matter the circumstances. I strongly believe that we shouldn't sugar coat or hide the truth. If a country, group, or even a lone individual commits an act of terrorism or violence of any type then we should call them on it and let them know that we are not going to tolerate it. > I think that Cap would be great on the Real World......he would set those immature kids straight.....but isn't he too old???? > Ned Too old?! Captian America is only in his late twenties to early thirties. *thinking* Definitely late twenties. He fought for America in the 40's, then was frozen. And since the inception of "the age of heroes" (the first appearance of the Fantastic Four) is about 10 years, according to Marvel's "Flashback" series, that would make Steve Rogers around 28 or 29. Maaaaaaybe 30-32. Host = pm5-adr175.interl.net (205.160.214.175) |
Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 12, 1997 at 21:03:20 PDT Anyone got a decent Cap or Cap villain image so Sam can make a new banner? Cya
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Posted by Sledge on August 13, 1997 at 01:37:12 PDT I've been lurking on this message board for around 6 months. Never had much to say until now. I know it's not my place and I'm not a regular contributor to the discussion here, but I've got something to say. What does Fighting American or Agent America have to do with Captain America? Well, they have a word in their names in common, they're patriotic heroes, and that's about it. What I'm getting at here is this is a message board for Captain America, so why are messages popping up all over about non-Captain America topics? Some of you will find my comments rude and out of line. I apologize. But when I come to a message board of a particular topic it's nice to see it being discussed instead of ignored. My apologies again, but it's really annoying. -=Sledge=- Host = line29.si-net.com (208.196.38.43) |
Posted by Patriot on August 13, 1997 at 06:36:59 PDT
> What does Fighting American or Agent America have to do with Captain America? Well, they have a word in their names in common, they're patriotic heroes, and that's about it. > What I'm getting at here is this is a message board for Captain America, so why are messages popping up all over about non-Captain America topics? > Some of you will find my comments rude and out of line. I apologize. But when I come to a message board of a particular topic it's nice to see it being discussed instead of ignored. > My apologies again, but it's really annoying. > -=Sledge=- I don't think you're being rude and I agree with your points. I have been trying to keep the topics lately to a Cap issue with my most recent posts. The unfortunate commonality among the three characters is Rob Liefeld. Some people think it's appropriate to discuss FA and AA as they feel Liefeld should never have been pulled off Cap (I assure you that I am not one of them). While I enjoy Jamie's discussions and defences on Liefeld, his is the only Pro Liefeld oppinion I listen to. The others don't make their points clear enough or back up the statements they make. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Patriot on August 13, 1997 at 06:40:49 PDT
> What about Garney's cover shot of Steve opening his shirt Superman style. I like it due to the tribute and it's one of the only covers showing Steve instead of Cap. Patriot Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Patriot on August 13, 1997 at 06:43:32 PDT
Could you please only post one code name. It wastes a lot of board space. Patriot Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Falcon on August 13, 1997 at 07:43:52 PDT
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Posted by fighting america/agent america on August 13, 1997 at 09:43:42 PDT
who updated cap? who updated fighting america? who has girl sidekicks? But does anyone talk about suprme on the superman board or fisherman on aquaman or glory on wonderwomen or doctor twilight on batman no. but people talk about this team on the avengers when it is jla rip off. I think we need alvaro should make a imange or any comic board Host = pm3-28.wcoil.com (206.230.70.110) |
Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 13, 1997 at 11:08:30 PDT
> > > > Patriot, I agree that Nomad is a good example of the underdog trying to fight for the neglected or down trodden. However, the image or message is even more powerful when the most elite superhero has to climb down from the lofty hights and deal with the mother who has just lost her kid to a drive by shooting. To the family and friends that have lost a loved one to violence because he or she was gay, or a different race, or religion. > > > > To Rob I have the Superman issue that you mentioned I forget what number it is, and as always with DC they use fake names. I think that Marvel should continue to use proper names no matter the circumstances. I strongly believe that we shouldn't sugar coat or hide the truth. If a country, group, or even a lone individual commits an act of terrorism or violence of any type then we should call them on it and let them know that we are not going to tolerate it. > > I think that Cap would be great on the Real World......he would set those immature kids straight.....but isn't he too old???? > > Ned > Too old?! Captian America is only in his late twenties to early thirties. *thinking* Definitely late twenties. He fought for America in the 40's, then was frozen. And since the inception of "the age of heroes" (the first appearance of the Fantastic Four) is about 10 years, according to Marvel's "Flashback" series, that would make Steve Rogers around 28 or 29. Maaaaaaybe 30-32. Yeah, but the Real World has an age limit of 25.....Cap is too old... Host = 155.42.31.199 (155.42.31.199) |
Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 13, 1997 at 11:09:47 PDT
> > Could you please only post one code name. It wastes a lot of board space. > Patriot ....and it is kind of annoying...... Host = 155.42.31.199 (155.42.31.199) |
Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 13, 1997 at 11:11:27 PDT
> > who updated cap? who updated fighting america? > who has girl sidekicks? > But does anyone talk about suprme on the superman board or fisherman on aquaman or glory on wonderwomen or doctor twilight on batman no. but people talk about this team on the avengers when it is jla rip off. I think we need alvaro should make a imange or any comic board .....um...I'm glad you...ah cleared that up??? Host = 155.42.31.199 (155.42.31.199) |
Posted by Bubba2 on August 13, 1997 at 11:18:13 PDT
> > who updated cap? who updated fighting america? > who has girl sidekicks? > But does anyone talk about suprme on the superman board or fisherman on aquaman or glory on wonderwomen or doctor twilight on batman no. but people talk about this team on the avengers when it is jla rip off. I think we need alvaro should make a imange or any comic board By that logic, we should spend most of our time talking about Jack Kirby or Rob Liefeld. Neither of whom are currently working on Captain America, the topic of this board! Now, as for the similarities between Rob's so-called Fighting American and Cap, well, Rob has made it pretty clear that he couldn't come up with something original and decided to recycle his lousy (and unused) Cap scripts. Just once I'd like to see Rob do something original or tasteful. Oh well! Happy Birthday, Bubba2
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 13, 1997 at 11:52:58 PDT
> > > > > What about Garney's cover shot of Steve opening his shirt Superman style. I like it due to the tribute and it's one of the only covers showing Steve instead of Cap. > Patriot Ach!! I can't find the thing!! I coulda' swore I saw it on some page!! Anyone know where it is??? Cya
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Posted by David Medinnus on August 13, 1997 at 12:01:04 PDT
> Jack Kirby > who updated cap? who updated fighting america? Stan Lee and Jack Kirby > who has girl sidekicks? Batman (from the Miller series), and HR Cap. > who has a villin name skull? Nobody. > Who hates rob no one complains about people trashing him? Most of the people on the board have negative opinions of RL. > If there was a us agent comic would you talk about that? Nope, not unless it was a Cap-related question. > But does anyone talk about suprme on the superman board or fisherman on aquaman or glory on wonderwomen or doctor twilight on batman no. but people talk about this team on the avengers when it is jla rip off. I think we need alvaro should make a imange or any comic board I assume this rather disjointed sentence is meant to imply that the board needs a moderator. It has one. Me. And unless something is wildly off-topic I leave it alone. And because Agent America/Fighting American as being done by RL is a reuse of his HR Cap ideas/artwork/concepts, I feel its fair game for discussion and criticism. -DM Host = pc3.commerce.net (205.180.68.53) |
Posted by David Medinnus on August 13, 1997 at 12:02:47 PDT > Anyone got a decent Cap or Cap villain image so Sam can make a new banner? http://www.sigma.net/capt_am/images/ Have a field day... :) -DM Host = pc3.commerce.net (205.180.68.53) |
Posted by David Medinnus on August 13, 1997 at 12:05:17 PDT Please shorten your name. -DM
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 13, 1997 at 12:43:57 PDT
> > > > who updated cap? who updated fighting america? > > who has girl sidekicks? > > But does anyone talk about suprme on the superman board or fisherman on aquaman or glory on wonderwomen or doctor twilight on batman no. but people talk about this team on the avengers when it is jla rip off. I think we need alvaro should make a imange or any comic board > By that logic, we should spend most of our time talking about Jack Kirby or Rob Liefeld. Neither of whom are currently working on Captain America, the topic of this board! Now, as for the similarities between Rob's so-called Fighting American and Cap, well, Rob has made it pretty clear that he couldn't come up with something original and decided to recycle his lousy (and unused) Cap scripts. Just once I'd like to see Rob do something original or tasteful. Oh well! > Happy Birthday, > Bubba2 "Original","tasteful", and "Rob Liefeld" shouldn't be used in the same sentence!
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 13, 1997 at 12:45:37 PDT
> > > > Could you please only post one code name. It wastes a lot of board space. > > Patriot > ....and it is kind of annoying...... Ya think?!!!!
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Posted by Rob on August 13, 1997 at 12:50:29 PDT
> > who created cap? who created fighhting america? > Jack Kirby Actually, I believe that Joe Simon & Jack Kirby created both characters.
> Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
When I wrote my post here about Archie's Shield, I tried to make it somewhat Cap-related by including the scene in Original Shield #4 (1984) where "Steve" & "Bucky" make a cameo appearance, and a reason why Cap's shield may have been changed to a circular shield. I have not contributed to the Rob Liefeld discussions since I've not read any of his work, including his Cap. And to Sledge, we have had several good discussions about Cap's history and personality on this board. We welcome your continued input. I have enjoyed the recent threads about what kind of person Cap is. They remind me of the thoughtful Roger Stern letters-pages comments circa #245 which I praised in a previous post. Rob
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Posted by Jason Fielding on August 13, 1997 at 13:59:02 PDT
This is for Mania: Round One Marvel Entertainment Group, Inc. filed suit in the U.S. Court in Manhattan against Awesome Entertainment LLC Aug. 6, contending that Awesome's The Fighting American bears similarities to its Captain America series and violates copyright and trade dress rights. In a press release, Marvel officials say that their "objection is not to Joe Simon's and Jack Kirby's original Fighting American series,or to any new series based on that source, but to Awesome's particular rendition of Fighting American, which appears to have drawn far more inspiration from Captain America than from its purported source." The statement goes on to read that Marvel tried to resolve this matter amicably and without litigation, but was unsuccessful. Awesome officials said Marvel originally sought a temporary restraining order, but withdrew the request when Awesome challenged the contention. The court has scheduled a full hearing for Aug. 18. Awesome Entertainment also stated they will contest the law suit. "We feel that this suit is without merit and are confident that Awesome will prevail," said Awesome's president and CEO Rob Liefeld, and publisher and executive VP, Jeph Loeb. "We plan to publish The Fighting American as scheduled this summer. Even Marvel can't stop The Fighting American." ... They had the Captain America Vol. 2 cover and the Fighting American Cover and compared them. Host = ppp5-8.sudbury.cyberbeach.net (204.101.175.8) |
Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 13, 1997 at 15:14:03 PDT By that logic, we should spend most of our time talking about Jack Kirby or Rob Liefeld. Neither of whom are currently working on Captain America, the topic of this board! Now, as for the similarities between Rob's so-called Fighting American and Cap, well, Rob has made it pretty clear that he couldn't come up with something original and decided to recycle his lousy (and unused) Cap scripts. Just once I'd like to see Rob do something original or tasteful. Oh well! Happy Birthday, Bubba2 "Original","tasteful", and "Rob Liefeld" shouldn't be used in the same sentence!
Howz 'bout "Rob Liefeld doesn't deserved to called original or tasteful."? Tobin
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Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 13, 1997 at 15:16:40 PDT
Happy Birthday, Bubba2 "Original","tasteful", and "Rob Liefeld" shouldn't be used in the same sentence! Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! Howz 'bout "Rob Liefeld doesn't deserved to becalled original or tasteful."? Also I was wondering does your tag line mean that you're responsible for the injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness or that they happen and you are conventiently located in that area? Tobin
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Posted by Tobin Kennedy on August 13, 1997 at 15:17:22 PDT
> Happy Birthday, > Bubba2 > "Original","tasteful", and "Rob Liefeld" shouldn't be used in the same sentence! > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!
> Also I was wondering does your tag line mean that you're responsible for the injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness or that they happen and you are conventiently located in that area? > Tobin >
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Posted by Steve Rogers on August 13, 1997 at 17:01:23 PDT I don't know why everyone was so down on Liefield! I think he was the best thing to happen to Captain America in the last 35 years. Seriously, Liefield really was onto something before he got canned. I really believe that he was the best writer/artist in the history of Captain America comics. The flag on his head was ingenious, and the whole conspiracy story was amazing. On top of that, the art was simply spellbinding. I don't think there is a more talented artist in the industry today, maybe ever! He was the only good thing about "Heroes Reborn" and it's a damn shame that he's taken so much flak. Host = mac26pg2.wam.umd.edu (128.8.73.106) |
Posted by Dave Medinnus on August 13, 1997 at 17:41:29 PDT
"...and I want a better soundtrack" -DM
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Posted by Jack Monroe on August 13, 1997 at 18:33:57 PDT > I don't know why everyone was so down on Liefield! I think he was the best thing to happen to Captain America in the last 35 years. Seriously, Liefield really was onto something before he got canned. I really believe that he was the best writer/artist in the history of Captain America comics. The flag on his head was ingenious, and the whole conspiracy story was amazing. On top of that, the art was simply spellbinding. I don't think there is a more talented artist in the industry today, maybe ever! He was the only good thing about "Heroes Reborn" and it's a damn shame that he's taken so much flak. I admit I liked Liefelds work on New Mutants, early X-Force, and one Host = dial-42.r06.tncphl.infoave.net (204.116.109.242) |
Posted by Sledge on August 13, 1997 at 18:50:53 PDT > I don't know why everyone was so down on Liefield! I think he was the best thing to happen to Captain America in the last 35 years. Seriously, Liefield really was onto something before he got canned. I really believe that he was the best writer/artist in the history of Captain America comics. The flag on his head was ingenious, and the whole conspiracy story was amazing. On top of that, the art was simply spellbinding. I don't think there is a more talented artist in the industry today, maybe ever! He was the only good thing about "Heroes Reborn" and it's a damn shame that he's taken so much flak. I strongly disagree with your statements. Here's why. In my opinion I think that Mark Waid is one of the best things to happen to Captain America in years. Mark Gruenwald was the guiding force for so long, but the book was becoming stale. I won't bother bringing up CapWolf. Then Waid & Garney came along and did something amazing. They made people care about the book again. For the first time in years people were actually excited about Captain America and sales were slowly rising. He was telling some great stories in the short time he was there. Then came the news of Rob Liefeld taking over the book for Heroes Reborn. I spoke with Waid at a show shortly after the announcement. I was impressed because no matter what anyone said, he wouldn't say a bad thing about Liefeld. I have a lot of respect for him, I couldn't have held back. Now a year later he's been a lot more vocal, teasing Jeph Loeb at the Chicago Con and stuff like that. Now we've got strong creative teams coming in this fall to try to return the books to their former glory. I personally can't wait. Now the first thing you'll bring up is that Rob's Cap sales were better. True, but look at the enormus hype surrounding the event. Some people were Liefeld fans, some were Cap fans, some were just curious, and the rest thought it'd be a good jumping on point. What they all got was a poor product. The story was lackluster and Rob's art was shoddy and weak. He draws faces all the same looking as if they are constipated. His anatomy is atrocious. He draws no backgrounds most of the time except what appear to be chicken scratches. His dimensions and depth in his panels are horribly off. His style may be unique, but when compared to a John Romita (pick one) or a Mike Zeck, it's below average comic book artwork compared to the stuff I've seen in my 13 years of comic collecting. And last but not least, the flag on his head was blasphemy and you know it. -=Sledge=- Host = 208.196.38.57 (208.196.38.57) |
Posted by Matt on August 13, 1997 at 19:09:54 PDT
Assuming you really mean this and aren't trying to generate some artificial controversy, here's my response. First of all, in the last 35 years you've had creators like Lee, Kirby, Steranko, Stern, Byrne, Zeck, DeMatties, Waid, and Garney on Cap. That's a pretty bold statement to claim that Rob's better than all these guys. But everyone's got an opinion, so I'll respect yours, but this is mine. I personally don't like his art. He has no sense of anatomy and his sense of storytelling seems weak. He's better suited to pinup art or covers than to an actual story. As far as his writing goes, I think he's a pretty good concept man. I thought his first issue of Cap set forth some interesting ideas, but he has no clue how to pace a story or develop plot points (due mostly to his desire to draw full page and double page spreads throughout every issue). A more talented plotter could have told the first story arc in 3 issues and had a lot more development than Liefeld was able to do in 5. The sixth issue was a joke. A good story should have a beginning, a middle, and an end. There was certainly no beginning, and only a hasty end. There was absolutely no explanation why the action was taking place. I felt like I should have taken the $2 I spent on #6 and wiped my ass with it- I would have gotten the same effect. Cheers, Matt Host = 209.36.103.133 (209.36.103.133) |
Posted by David Medinnus on August 13, 1997 at 19:27:27 PDT
> Duuuuuhhh...I wonder who he's fighting???? That's a joke, folks... Oh, and Plaidy - while I enjoy the art as well as the next man, 350K is a bit large to post without a warning. I mean, I'm on a T1 link, but not everyone is... :) -DM Host = pc3.commerce.net (205.180.68.53) |
Posted by Batroc on August 13, 1997 at 19:31:23 PDT
>>> I guess I should explain to the newcomers that I started a discussion on Cap's Shield and we digressed all the way over to Ultron's Adamnatium head. So, I will apologize for that digression. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 13, 1997 at 20:43:13 PDT
> > Duuuuuhhh...I wonder who he's fighting???? > That's a joke, folks... > Oh, and Plaidy - while I enjoy the art as well as the next man, 350K is a bit large to post without a warning. I mean, I'm on a T1 link, but not everyone is... :) > -DM Yeah, I know it's pretty big but there's no way I can shrink it down, I got it from Image's site! And that isn't a mutie hunter!! That's Galactus, the Planet Muncher!!
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 13, 1997 at 20:45:18 PDT
> > Happy Birthday, > Bubba2 > "Original","tasteful", and "Rob Liefeld" shouldn't be used in the same sentence! > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!!
> Also I was wondering does your tag line mean that you're responsible for the injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness or that they happen and you are conventiently located in that area? > Tobin > I don't know!! You're gonna have to take that up with the Red Skull! I got it off from him!! I just replaced "Red" with "Plaid"! Wait!! Is it true??? Am I slowly becoming Rob Liefield??????????? Nooooooooooo!!!!!!
Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! Host = bak-ca1-02.ix.netcom.com (204.32.156.34) |
Posted by Falcon on August 13, 1997 at 20:55:24 PDT
> > Happy Birthday, > > Bubba2 > > "Original","tasteful", and "Rob Liefeld" shouldn't be used in the same sentence! > > > > Whenever there is injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness...the Plaid Skull was there!!! > > > Also I was wondering does your tag line mean that you're responsible for the injustice, tyranny, ruthlessness or that they happen and you are conventiently located in that area? > > Tobin > > > I don't know!! You're gonna have to take that up with the Red Skull! I got it off from him!! I just replaced "Red" with "Plaid"! Wait!! Is it true??? Am I slowly becoming Rob Liefield??????????? Nooooooooooo!!!!!!
Whenever there is crappy artwork, poor stories and bad ideas...the Rob Skull was there!!! (sorry; couldn't resist) and that's the last cheap shot I'm gonna take at Rob L. Falcon
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Posted by jack meoff on August 13, 1997 at 21:09:08 PDT
this site is crap because it sucks hairy ass. thankyou. Host = ww-tm02.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.36) |
Posted by ivanna pee on August 13, 1997 at 21:13:23 PDT
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Posted by jen atalia on August 13, 1997 at 21:26:38 PDT
because these loads of crap are stupid-ass no talent fudge packers. oh, and one more thing, kiss my white ass, bitches. thankyou Host = ww-tm02.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.36) |
Posted by Paradox on August 13, 1997 at 22:19:21 PDT Using a capital letter once in a while and not typing inrunonsentences ( :) ) couldn't hurt ,either.
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 13, 1997 at 23:23:03 PDT > this site is crap because it sucks hairy ass. thankyou. Ahahahaahhahaaaaaaa!!! Fun! Fun! Fun! "It sucks hairy ass." That's the most ingenius use of the english language! Oh, and look it was all in lower case! Keep it up and we'll ban your hairy ass!!
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 14, 1997 at 00:26:49 PDT > because he says gay shit like simply horrid Because he posts stupid ass messages like this crap!! And he has pillow-biting names like "Ivanna Pee" and "Jack Meoff"!! Obviously this guy likes the Man on Man stuff and a urine fetish judging from his names! Go to Hell, Host = bak-ca3-09.ix.netcom.com (204.32.156.169) |
Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 14, 1997 at 00:32:13 PDT > because these loads of crap are stupid-ass no talent fudge packers. oh, and one more thing, kiss my white ass, bitches. thankyou Because he's obsessed with homosexuality so much that he's probably a closet homo and he's probably in denial!! See? I can do it too,eh Dookie Chaser? Go to hell,
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Posted by Fighting American on August 14, 1997 at 00:48:27 PDT
About my name, that is . You may be wondering " Why is Jamie using Anyway, I was the second Agent America . I also have something to say
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Posted by Patriot on August 14, 1997 at 05:42:28 PDT
> Anyway, I was the second Agent America . I also have something to say > Thanks for clearing that up. I could tell that you wearn't the other guy right away. Let's just say that your writing style and grammer were of a much higher quality.
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Posted by Patriot on August 14, 1997 at 05:49:07 PDT
I wish more people thought this way on the board. I did reply to Fighting American at the top of the board. I want to know why people will buy it. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Falcon on August 14, 1997 at 05:59:44 PDT > > because these loads of crap are stupid-ass no talent fudge packers. oh, and one more thing, kiss my white ass, bitches. thankyou
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Posted by Falcon on August 14, 1997 at 06:02:13 PDT > because these loads of crap are stupid-ass no talent fudge packers. oh, and one more thing, kiss my white ass, bitches. thankyou
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Posted by Patriot on August 14, 1997 at 06:09:52 PDT
I'm wondering if most people on the Cap board are over Eighteen? It seems to be so. The reason I ask is that I went to other boards to see what they were like and I didn't like what I saw. I always frequent the Cap-Avengers-Tbolts pages. Last night, since I'm also a big DC fan, I decided to go to the DC universe board (which has an incredible banner of Hal and Ollie). What I found were insults and fighting in every string. I was so turned off that I posted a message about the banner, got a reply, and left as soon as I could. I haven't dared venture to Superboy or Nightwing yet. A Patriot getting off his soapbox. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Falcon on August 14, 1997 at 06:39:47 PDT
> I'm wondering if most people on the Cap board are over Eighteen? It seems to be so. The reason I ask is that I went to other boards to see what they were like and I didn't like what I saw. I always frequent the Cap-Avengers-Tbolts pages. Last night, since I'm also a big DC fan, I decided to go to the DC universe board (which has an incredible banner of Hal and Ollie). What I found were insults and fighting in every string. I was so turned off that I posted a message about the banner, got a reply, and left as soon as I could. I haven't dared venture to Superboy or Nightwing yet.
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Posted by Captain America on August 14, 1997 at 06:53:10 PDT > I don't know why everyone was so down on Liefield! I think he was the best thing to happen to Captain America in the last 35 years. Seriously, Liefield really was onto something before he got canned. I really believe that he was the best writer/artist in the history of Captain America comics. The flag on his head was ingenious, and the whole conspiracy story was amazing. On top of that, the art was simply spellbinding. I don't think there is a more talented artist in the industry today, maybe ever! He was the only good thing about "Heroes Reborn" and it's a damn shame that he's taken so much flak. Citizens: Once again it seems that I must impose myself upon your discussions in order to clarify a point or two. First, in response to the above comment that Robbie was the best thing to happen to me in 35 years, does that include Jack Kirby? Now, on to some solid points. It was not a "flag" that Robbie put on my head, but a stupid Nazi eagle. I hated the thing if for no other reason it kept reminding me of the reasons we fought WWII. Also, as for Robbie being the most talent artist in the field, I have just a few points to make. Go pick up #1 of my adventures under Robbie. Go ahead, I'll wait. . . .Got it? Good! Now, look at how my size/stature changes every other page. At one point I look about nine feet tall while at others I look like a little kid. I got a headache from all that growing and shrinking (I have no idea how Hank Pym endures it!). Now, notice which arm my sheild is on. Oops, it changes from panel to panel without me even touching it (must be some new fangled kind of magic shield). Notice also how I slice a man open with my sheild, yet later on I catch it with MY BARE HAND! Is it sharp or not? Notice how the furniture switches in my house, how my TV runs without a plug, how my watch switches arms, how my gloves mysteriously appear and disappear. In other words, notice all the inconsistencies that a really good artist wouldn't allow, and then come to your own conclusions. I'm just glad that soon my universe will be back in the hands of Waid and Garney. At least then I'll be consistently written and drawn! Keep the faith, Captain America
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Posted by Patriot on August 14, 1997 at 08:16:27 PDT
> > > Falcon Just wanted to state that I didn't blame the regulars for that thread but for an unwanted idiot. Compared to other boards I've seen, this board is a university in the middle of kindergardens. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Fighting America/ Agent America on August 14, 1997 at 09:35:03 PDT Now I will say that 1-5 were goodbut 6 sucked. It was worst then Cap wolf and that Fighting Chance but I love Jeph Loeb writing. Do you like his Iron Man. His Avengers sucked. Now I collect Awesome comic cause of Loeb and Moore and that is all. Lookk at judgment day good writing sometimes okay art work but Rob needs to now what a background his. Nowmaybe Fighting America willnot be good as Kirby art work not even cloose but the writing will. Now if you want to try a Awesome book with good writing and Art work do not try Y2 and fighting america but Suprme and Coven. Host = pm3-27.wcoil.com (206.230.70.109) |
Posted by Fighting America/ Agent America on August 14, 1997 at 09:42:02 PDT His art work sucks. I only like Fighting America thanks to Loeb Host = pm3-27.wcoil.com (206.230.70.109) |
Posted by Rimes (formerly Rob) on August 14, 1997 at 11:10:36 PDT
Now, on to Patriot's post:
I'm 26, will be 27 in a few months. »It seems to be so. The reason I ask is that I went to other boards to see what they were like and I didn't like what I saw. I always frequent the Cap-Avengers-Tbolts pages. Last night, since I'm also a big DC fan, I decided to go to the DC universe board (which has an incredible banner of Hal and Ollie). What I found were insults and fighting in every string. I was so turned off that I posted a message about the banner, got a reply, and left as soon as I could. Some of that has to be taken tongue-in-cheek. Some of those people know each other from other boards or from the chat room and are just playing around.
Well then you missed my tenure as temporary moderator of the Superboy board during Albert Ching's vacation last week. I posted a few article-like posts on the Silver-Age Superboy. And the Nightwing board is often frequented by our very own David Meddinus!
> A Patriot getting off his soapbox.
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Posted by Giltanis on August 14, 1997 at 11:11:51 PDT
> > Falcon > Just wanted to state that I didn't blame the regulars for that thread but for an unwanted idiot. Compared to other boards I've seen, this board is a university in the middle of kindergardens. > Patriot. I find that the quality of the postings oftentimes depends on the fanbase that the Message board represents. With 'General' Comic boards all people are attracted to post just about anything. But with boards solely devoted to one character, the topics seem to be more mature. The fans appreicate the qualities of that character and REALLY want to discuss those qualities with people of similar interests. Sure we get crank posters every now and then at the Thor board, but it's the moderator's job to weed stuff like that out. --Gil Host = klbmac-grumpy.acs.oakland.edu (141.210.12.220) |
Posted by Falcon on August 14, 1997 at 11:18:39 PDT
> Yeah, I think intellectual conversation gives idiots a headache. Falcon Host = gate8.ny.us.ibm.com (198.133.22.35) |
Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 14, 1997 at 12:09:21 PDT > > because these loads of crap are stupid-ass no talent fudge packers. oh, and one more thing, kiss my white ass, bitches. thankyou > > Falcon Don't worry, I e-mailed Sam to ban this moron!! BTW, he also made fun of you farther down the board! I retaliated of course!
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Posted by Patriot on August 14, 1997 at 12:20:34 PDT
> --Gil I should probably state that I find the Thor board and Avengers board to be the same high quality before I offend someone. I wasn't about to post the same message on three boards. Patriot Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Falcon on August 14, 1997 at 12:32:21 PDT > > > because these loads of crap are stupid-ass no talent fudge packers. oh, and one more thing, kiss my white ass, bitches. thankyou > > > > Falcon > Don't worry, I e-mailed Sam to ban this moron!! BTW, he also made fun of you farther down the board! I retaliated of course! >
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 14, 1997 at 12:39:31 PDT > > > > because these loads of crap are stupid-ass no talent fudge packers. oh, and one more thing, kiss my white ass, bitches. thankyou > > > > > > Falcon > > Don't worry, I e-mailed Sam to ban this moron!! BTW, he also made fun of you farther down the board! I retaliated of course! > > > > Falcon No, it's.... Host = bak-ca1-08.ix.netcom.com (204.32.156.40) |
Posted by Falcon on August 14, 1997 at 13:30:25 PDT > > > > > because these loads of crap are stupid-ass no talent fudge packers. oh, and one more thing, kiss my white ass, bitches. thankyou
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on August 14, 1997 at 14:25:57 PDT > > this site is crap because it sucks hairy ass. thankyou. > Ahahahaahhahaaaaaaa!!! Fun! Fun! Fun! "It sucks hairy ass." That's the most ingenius use of the english language! Oh, and look it was all in lower case! Keep it up and we'll ban your hairy ass!!
> Hey!!!! Plaidy, did you know that you just said "hairy ass"??? You could be banned too. Ya hairy boob.....see....that is the safe response... Host = 155.42.32.44 (155.42.32.44) |
Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 14, 1997 at 14:27:24 PDT > > > this site is crap because it sucks hairy ass. thankyou. > > Ahahahaahhahaaaaaaa!!! Fun! Fun! Fun! "It sucks hairy ass." That's the most ingenius use of the english language! Oh, and look it was all in lower case! Keep it up and we'll ban your hairy ass!! > > > > Hey!!!! Plaidy, did you know that you just said "hairy ass"??? You could be banned too. Ya hairy boob.....see....that is the safe response... You said,"boob"! Heh heh heh!
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Posted by Giltanis on August 14, 1997 at 16:15:42 PDT
> Patriot None taken... ;) (I figured you probabily forgot us in all this hassle..) --Gil Host = dhe3pc-burns.acs.oakland.edu (141.210.12.84) |
Posted by Giltanis on August 14, 1997 at 16:23:57 PDT Hail All! I find the best way to deal with crank posters is just to ignore them. Eventually they get bored and leave anyways. If you feed to their need for attention (negative or positive) then they will continue to stay. How bout the moderator delete any crank related posts, and from now on we just ignore the new ones that come up. Don't one person drag down the quality of this board. Forget about this guy... He's probabily just some kid running that's watches too much Beavis and Butthead. --Gil Host = dhe3pc-burns.acs.oakland.edu (141.210.12.84) |
Posted by Falcon on August 14, 1997 at 16:40:22 PDT
> I find the best way to deal with crank posters is just to ignore them. Eventually they get bored and leave anyways. If you feed to their need for attention (negative or positive) then they will continue to stay. > How bout the moderator delete any crank related posts, and from now on we just ignore the new ones that come up. Don't one person drag down the quality of this board. > Forget about this guy... He's probabily just some kid running that's watches too much Beavis and Butthead. > --Gil Host = 148.white-plains-001.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.152.148) |
Posted by The way of Honor on August 14, 1997 at 16:43:31 PDT
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Posted by The Plaid Skull on August 14, 1997 at 16:55:00 PDT
> >>>>This board is at an intellectual low. There have been alot of deletions Well, I apologize but I was sick and tired literally and not too happy since I had to rush to the bathroom every 5 seconds! I had a bad case of...the "runs"(ewww)and still do! And the last thing I wanted to read was an insult! I suppose I should've have left him alone or gave a more intelligent and witty response but if I said something intelligent the moron would've dismissed as "homo-talk"! Well, I already e-mailed Sam to ban this person! The last thing I want is this place to end up like JPruitt's board! This poster also caused a ruckus over at the chat room!
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Posted by Fixer on August 14, 1997 at 20:14:01 PDT
Why not Y2? It's going to be written by Moore. The only Awesome books I'll be getting will be Supreme and y2 -- and only because Alan Moore is God. --Fixer Host = wb-ppp-11.metronet.lib.mi.us (199.179.66.177) |
Posted by Fighting America on August 14, 1997 at 20:21:12 PDT
I will buy Y2 but Rob is drawing it. Would you read Cap if Moore wrote it Host = 208.10.2.38 (208.10.2.38) |
Posted by Fighting america. Agent America on August 14, 1997 at 20:28:02 PDT > I will buy Y2 but Rob is drawing it. Would you read Cap if Moore wrote it
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Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 14, 1997 at 20:31:14 PDT
> His art work sucks. I only like Fighting America thanks to Loeb Host = aztec2.asu.edu (129.219.129.221) |
Posted by stonecold on August 14, 1997 at 20:36:54 PDT
> > His art work sucks. I only like Fighting America thanks to Loeb No I liked his Cap and X-force. I never saw one background pic in Judgment day one or two. Plus on the superboy board we had 300 poast about why we hate you. It took forever to erase. I might be the montior for Avengers or t-bolts is it easy. Host = 208.10.2.38 (208.10.2.38) |
Posted by Agent America/ Fighting America on August 14, 1997 at 20:46:05 PDT He says it is not over till i say it is over. Is that mean or what Host = 208.10.2.38 (208.10.2.38) |
Posted by Agent America/ Fighting America on August 14, 1997 at 20:46:39 PDT He says it is not over till i say it is over. Is that mean or what Host = 208.10.2.38 (208.10.2.38) |
Posted by Falcon on August 14, 1997 at 21:03:27 PDT
Who says? Liefeld? Falcon Host = 222.white-plains-001.ny.dial-access.att.net (207.116.152.222) |
Posted by Albert B. Ching on August 14, 1997 at 21:20:46 PDT
> > > His art work sucks. I only like Fighting America thanks to Loeb Host = aztec2.asu.edu (129.219.129.221) |
Posted by Fixer on August 14, 1997 at 21:36:38 PDT
Yup, I would. --Fixer Host = wb-ppp-11.metronet.lib.mi.us (199.179.66.177) |
Posted by Fixer on August 14, 1997 at 21:38:55 PDT
> Who says? Liefeld? > Falcon I'm guessing Fighting American. He says "It's not over 'til I say it's over" on the cover. Is that right, FA/AA? --Fixer Host = wb-ppp-11.metronet.lib.mi.us (199.179.66.177) |
Posted by David Medinnus on August 14, 1997 at 22:21:16 PDT Hiya. Earlier this evening the owner and sysadmin of Sigma.Net shut down the chat area because of a singular lack of co-operation and (no lack) of abusive language (directed at him). As for the content of THIS board...I go away to Microsoft for one day, and everything goes to hell. So...by the end of the month I am going to cease moderating this board; I agree with the comments about the purile nature of many of the posts (which seems to be an endemic thing across all of the boards). The Cap board may or may not go away; that's for Alvaro to decide. I will be building a semi-private message board and java-based chat room for the Star-Spangled Site, which will require registration; all are welcome. However, if/when certain people using the facilities become abusive, I will delete their priviledges; end of problem. Please bear with us until then. Thanx! Host = mg128-088.ricochet.net (204.179.128.88) |
Posted by David Medinnus on August 14, 1997 at 22:38:36 PDT Hiya. As moderator, I am declaring Rob Liefield (in general) and Agent America/Fighting American in particular to be off-topic. Yeah, I know; depending on content, I ccould make a justification. But what starts as a calm discussion often digresses very quickly. So...no more. Threads thereof will be nuked without ceremony or mercy. Host = mg128-088.ricochet.net (204.179.128.88) |