Posted by Tony Stark on September 01, 1997 at 08:14:01 PDT
in reply to Re: am I alone on this???? (1912), posted by gordon on August 31, 1997 at 20:48:20 PDT

>
> > Am I like,the only person that likes the HR cap better than the regular cap????

> > A Wondering War

> > p.s.I like the eagle on his forehead better than the "A"

Apparently you are. Everybody I know hates the HR Cap, and those who do like him remain silent for fear of being chastised.
I applaud you for expressing your views even if they are largely hated.

Tony Stark

P.S. I hated the eagle on his forehead, but that's my opinion.

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Posted by Tony Stark on September 01, 1997 at 08:14:04 PDT
in reply to Re: am I alone on this???? (1912), posted by gordon on August 31, 1997 at 20:48:20 PDT

>
> > Am I like,the only person that likes the HR cap better than the regular cap????

> > A Wondering War

> > p.s.I like the eagle on his forehead better than the "A"

Apparently you are. Everybody I know hates the HR Cap, and those who do like him remain silent for fear of being chastised.
I applaud you for expressing your views even if they are largely hated.

Tony Stark

P.S. I hated the eagle on his forehead, but that's my opinion.

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Posted by Paradox on September 01, 1997 at 20:13:20 PDT
in reply to Re: Jamie was a nazi (1899), posted by The Red Spider on August 29, 1997 at 21:26:50 PDT

> > > > Maybe...ROB LIEFELD WAS A NAZI!!!
> > > > Albert
> > > You have no evidence to back that up. Thank you for your time,
> > > The Red Spider
> > I was just kidding.
> > Albert

> Oh, I understand. Thank you for your time,

> The Red Spider

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHahaha...heh..(snort)

Ye Gods, Plaidy, this serious phase of yours is some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen! I can't wait to see if you can keep this up all month!

Thank you for your time (giggle).

'Dox out.

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Posted by Paradox on September 01, 1997 at 20:16:56 PDT
in reply to am I alone on this???? (1911), posted by WAR on August 31, 1997 at 20:32:58 PDT

.

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Posted by The Red Spider on September 01, 1997 at 21:10:36 PDT
in reply to BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA! (1915), posted by Paradox on September 01, 1997 at 20:13:20 PDT

> > > > > Maybe...ROB LIEFELD WAS A NAZI!!!
> > > > > Albert
> > > > You have no evidence to back that up. Thank you for your time,
> > > > The Red Spider
> > > I was just kidding.
> > > Albert

> > Oh, I understand. Thank you for your time,

> > The Red Spider

> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHahaha...heh..(snort)

> Ye Gods, Plaidy, this serious phase of yours is some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen! I can't wait to see if you can keep this up all month!

> Thank you for your time (giggle).

> 'Dox out.

I aims to please. And beleive me, I will serve my term and if it goes well enough I might make it last even longer. Thank you for your time,

The Red Spider

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Posted by Paradox on September 01, 1997 at 22:10:02 PDT
in reply to Re: What about me (whining and groveling) !!??!! (1902), posted by Roscoe on August 30, 1997 at 00:42:03 PDT

> > > Hey, c'mon. If that mustachioed wierdo gets his picture up, I should have mine up for a bit too. I mean, I actually was Cap for 2 or 3 issues. Gimme some props.

> > > -Roscoe

> > My namesake was Cap for a lot longer.

> > Patriot.

> So what? We're talking about me here.

> -Roscoe

I hate to inform you of this, but, you're both DEAD! :)

'Dox out.

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Posted by Bubba2 on September 02, 1997 at 12:16:51 PDT
in reply to am I alone on this???? (1911), posted by WAR on August 31, 1997 at 20:32:58 PDT

> Am I like,the only person that likes the HR cap better than the regular cap????

> A Wondering War

> p.s.I like the eagle on his forehead better than the "A"

No, I'm sure you are not alone in this opinion, although on this board you are probably in the minority. Personally, I couldn't stomach what was done to Cap in the Heroes Reborn series, and I promptly dropped the comic after issue 1. I thought the eagle made Cap look like a fascist, and I thought the art and story were way too inconsistent and also very much out of character for the Captain America I've followed since the early '70s (yes, I'm an old fart!). Well, that's my opinion!

Happy Birthday,

bubba2

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Posted by Roscoe on September 02, 1997 at 16:42:15 PDT
in reply to Vital Information (1918), posted by Paradox on September 01, 1997 at 22:10:02 PDT

> > > > Hey, c'mon. If that mustachioed wierdo gets his picture up, I should have mine up for a bit too. I mean, I actually was Cap for 2 or 3 issues. Gimme some props.

> > > > -Roscoe

> > > My namesake was Cap for a lot longer.

> > > Patriot.

> > So what? We're talking about me here.

> > -Roscoe

> I hate to inform you of this, but, you're both DEAD! :)

> 'Doxy Loxy out.

No, I'm a mutant; I have two hearts, so I didn't really die.

-Roscoe

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Posted by teats on September 03, 1997 at 21:52:20 PDT
in reply to am I alone on this???? (1911), posted by WAR on August 31, 1997 at 20:32:58 PDT

yes

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Posted by Starving Writer on September 04, 1997 at 14:15:39 PDT

Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

Starving Writer

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Posted by Fighting America on September 04, 1997 at 16:34:15 PDT
in reply to Who would've thunk it? (1922), posted by Starving Writer on September 04, 1997 at 14:15:39 PDT

I will get this tommorrow and mayber Captain America 12

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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on September 04, 1997 at 17:25:59 PDT
in reply to Who would've thunk it? (1922), posted by Starving Writer on September 04, 1997 at 14:15:39 PDT

> Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

> Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

> Starving Writer

I have no problem with Liefeld fans.... as long as they stay on their island and only reproduce with their own kind ;')

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Posted by Albert B. Ching on September 04, 1997 at 17:48:50 PDT
in reply to Who would've thunk it? (1922), posted by Starving Writer on September 04, 1997 at 14:15:39 PDT

> Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)
> Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?
> Starving Writer
Yes. I've encountered quite a bit of sane, rational Leifeld fans. He is actually, pretty popular. Don't let internet hype cloud your judgement.
ALbert

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Posted by Rimes on September 04, 1997 at 17:49:48 PDT

Well, I saw that Dave Medinnus has a new poll at his Star-Spangled Site. (I've left a link to the Poll page at the bottom of this post.) The previous poll question concerned "Favorite Cap Writer." Mark Waid won that poll with 41.4%, with Mark Gruenwald coming in at 20.7%, and Steve Englehart at 17.2% (not a bad placing for someone who left the book in 1975, and better than any other pre-Gruenwald Cap writer scored). It was not revealed how many people participated in the poll, however. Thus, I am here to remind all Capfans to go to Dave's site and participate in the current poll of "Favorite Cap Artist" before the poll is over. (No, I don't know when the poll ends, but fairly soon I reckon.) Let your voice be heard. If Liefeld wins the poll, you will have no one to blame but yourself!

Dave obviously spent a great deal of time on the "Favorite Cap Artist" choices. There are 41 names to choose from. I will run down the list and give my thoughts on the selections.

Jack Kirby:
Co-creator of Cap, and revived him in the classic Avengers #4. Drew Cap in the 1960s and wrote/drew him in mid-to-late 1970s. Clearly, Kirby will be the top choice for many fans.

Al Milgrom:
Did a few Cap jobs here & there, especially around 1989. Still, his somewhat sloppy-looking inking style over Dwyer (sorry, Al) will count against him. Penciled Avengers in the mid-1980s.

Alan Kupperberg:
Like Milgrom, drew a few fill-in issues here and there. Nothing really noteworthy about his art, however.

Arvell Jones:
Can't remember what he did Cap-wise.

Carmine Infantino:
I think the Nazi-Hunter one (circa #245) is about all he did Cap-wise, that I recall.

Chris Marinnan:
My mind's a blank here...I think he drew Moon Knight in the 1980s.
Oh, wait...did he draw that "Cap/Ghost Rider: Fear" comic?

Dave Cockrum:
Painted a fine Cap cover for the 1979 Sentinel of Liberty hardcover book. Did Avengers briefly in the early 1970s. A personal favorite of mine -- I'd like to see more of his Cap -- but I can't recall too much more of Cap stuff that he's done.

Dave Hoover:
He drew Gruenwald's last Cap stories (including the introduction of Free Spirit), and the 1990s Invaders mini-series. For some reason, I never liked how he drew Cap's face, though. Didn't look noble enough to me.

David Carrasco:
Never heard of him....

Don Heck:
I always liked how he drew Cap. He drew Avengers in the mid-1960s and also Cap's first appearance (in an Iron Man story) in Tales of Suspense.

Don Perlin:
With the right inker (especially Joe Sinnott, who inked Perlin's #242), Perlin looked good. He inked Sal Buscema in the late 1970s Caps.

Frank Robbins:
Robbins drew Cap circa #182-192 and no artist was more rejected by the readership, if the letter-pages are any judge. He had his own style, and did some good work on the Invaders.

Frank Springer:
If memory serves, he did a fill-in issue or two around 1980, and also The Invaders.

Fred Kida:
I liked his Cap. He drew two fill-in issues around 1980. Maybe did some Invaders, too?

Gene Colan:
I for one enjoyed Colan's run on Cap in the early 1970s. His run introduced The Falcon.

George Perez:
Drew a Cap cover here & there around 1979 and drew Cap in the Avengers. Perez should have done some Cap issues; i like his depiction of Cap.

Herb Trimpe:
Herb drew Cap #184 (recently discussed on the "Rap About Cap" board) & an issue around #291. Had a Kirbyish style but has recently changed his style to a more Liefeldy look.

Jim Lee:
Inked a Lim Cap cover, recent Avengers, and drew the X-Men issue circa #268 w/Cap. I've heard that he is a fan of the character.

Jim Starlin:
Has drawn no issues of Cap, to my knowledge; depicted Cap among the other Avengers in some Captain Marvel comics in the 1970s. Has been known to go by the names Gemini and Steve Apollo. (Little tidbit for ya!)

Jim Steranko:
Drew Cap #110, 111, & 113, which remain among the best Cap issues ever done. He also did a poster of Cap, I think, somewhat similar in style to #111's cover. Also had Cap guesting with Nick Fury in Strange Tales.

Jim Valentino:
I think he drew an Annual story or fill-in issue in the early 1990s, or drew Avengers or something. I remember seeing...ah yes, I think it was the Cap vs. Iron Man Annual of Cap's in 1990. Didn't think the art was so great.

John Buscema:
Has only penciled 2 issues of Cap (#115 & 217), plus a 2-page pin-up in #350. Did a lot of Avengers issues with Cap in them in the 1960s and 1980s. One of the best Avengers artists.

John Byrne:
I almost picked Byrne as my favorite. I loved the way he drew Cap. especially his mask. You could always sense the face under the mask by the way Byrne drew the eyeholes so large. Drew Cap #247-255, and several 1970s Avengers, Cap/Batman, and other Cap appearances (such as FF #250).

John Romita:
Another great Cap artist. He began drawing Cap in the mid-1950s. He drew #114, and then the issues after Colan left, roughly #138-145. And, of course, many, many Marvel covers (often uncredited) during the 1970s.

Kieron Dwyer:
Drew the excellent "Bloodstone Hunt" in 1989. I wish he would do some more Cap work in the future.

Larry Alexander:
Did some passable Cap art here & there in the 1990s.

M. C. Wyman:
I think he drew a Roy Thomas-scripted Invaders story circa Cap #320.

Mike Manley:
Not sure what he did. Maybe some Gruenwald back-up stories or something or Annuals in the 1990s.

Mike Zeck:
One of the best Cap artists. Drew Cap #224 (a fill-in issue) before becoming Cap's regular penciler after Byrne left the book. Zeck drew Cap circa #258-289, and some covers after that. Also drew the Wolverine vs. Cap annual.

Neal Adams:
Drew a few Avengers comics that had Cap in them. Great stuff, but not too Cap-specific.

Paul Neary:
Zeck's successor to the title, who paled in comparison. Oddly enough, he was a British artist, not American. He had a hint of Kirby in his art. I think he did his best work around the Scourge storyline circa #218-222.

Phil Gosier:
Cannot recall the name.

Rich Buckler:
Drew The Avengers in the early 1970s. Drew a few fill-in issues of Cap, most recently (that I know) around #355. He also drew one around #243 that had some Kirby swipes.

Rick Levins:
The Cap artist who followed Ron Lim but came before Dave Hoover. He did some good work, although sometimes it looked a bit stale. Had a style somewhat similar to Paul Ryan, in my opinion.

Rob Liefeld:
Started Cap over from #1 in recent years. Much has been said about his art on this board already. (Too much, I think!)

Ron Frenz:
Drew some nice Kirbyish covers, did a back-up Cap & Bucky story in Kirby's style.

Ron Garney:
The Once and Future Cap Artist. His work with Waid has been celebrated by many fans, although I had my problems with his artwork, the way he depicted Sharon, etc.

Ron Lim:
Not bad. Not as good as Dwyer,but an appropriate replacement. The thing i didn't like about his art was the way some people had strangely-shaped heads, tops of their skulls too small, jaws too big, etc.

Ron Wilson:
Drew a Cap annual in the 1980s. Can't remember too much else of Cap that he drew.

Sal Buscema:
This is the artist who I voted for. When i think about reading old Cap comics when i was a kid, i think of reading those drawn by Sal. He drew everything it seemed that I liked: Defenders, Avengers, Cap, etc. His art was a bit formulaic...you could see certain poses & faces repeated again & again. But then, the same could be said of Byrne's art, too. I'd love to see him do another Cap issue, inked by someone approrpiate.

Tom Morgan:
Drew Cap briefly after Neary left and before Dwyer began, during the introduction of "The Captain" storyline. Dave Hunt inked some of his stories. Hunt had inked many Superman comics in the 1980s, prior to the Byrne revamp. I'd like to see Hunt inking a Sal Buscema Cap story someday.

So ends the list of "Favorite Cap Artists" provided by our moderator. Surely he managed to mention everyone who ever did any significant Cap art. Well, perhaps there were a few very minor omissions we can find (not counting Golden-Age artists, of course). For example, what about Frank Miller? Frank drew several Cap covers circa 1979-80, including the famous one with the Punisher on it. Then Frank teamed-up with Roger Stern to draw a Marvel Fanfare story about Cap. (A panel from that story was reprinted on the first page of a Waid/Garney "Man w/o a Country" issue.) Miller not only did the inside of that issue, he drew two covers for it. (The back cover, particularly, is a knockout.) An unused Miller cover was printed in the place of a letter page in one of Gruenwald's issues, circa #401, if memory serves.

How about Gil Kane? He drew a lot of 1970s Marvel covers, and lots of Cap covers among them. He also penciled a few Cap stories in Tales of Suspense and half of Cap #145. A classic Kane illustration is the cover of Cap #215. That issue was penciled inside by George Tuska, who had drawn some Cap stories in Tales of Suspense.

That's about it. Ye Moderator must have anticipated my search for omissions to his list and threw in everyone this side of Irving Forbush!
Maybe you folks can let me know who some of the people are that I didn't know about, or any comments regarding what I said. But above all else, VOTE! :p

Rob

• "Favorite Cap Artist" Poll page

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Posted by KnightDawg on September 05, 1997 at 06:12:06 PDT
in reply to Who would've thunk it? (1922), posted by Starving Writer on September 04, 1997 at 14:15:39 PDT

> Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

> Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

> Starving Writer

Well at the comic store I go to in New Jersey, there are plenty of Fighting American #1 on the stand. They only sold 3 of them yesterday. I think its safe to say that New Jersey is an anti-Liefeld state. Yes!!!!!

-KnightDawg

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Posted by KnightDawg on September 05, 1997 at 06:14:07 PDT
in reply to am I alone on this???? (1911), posted by WAR on August 31, 1997 at 20:32:58 PDT

> Am I like,the only person that likes the HR cap better than the regular cap????

> A Wondering War

> p.s.I like the eagle on his forehead better than the "A"

Yes you are.

"A" 4 life!!

-KnightDawg

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Posted by The Real Red Skull on September 05, 1997 at 06:43:34 PDT
in reply to Re: Hey, Plaidy! (1794), posted by The Plaid Goblin on August 22, 1997 at 12:17:17 PDT

> > Falcon

> Hey, does anyone have an idea where that Cap homage to Superman pic is?

>
> Cya
> The Plaid Goblin

Have you checked out the Super-soldier stuff at Amalgamcomics.com (or whatever it is). Some of that super soldier stuff (Cap/Superman hybrid) is classic cap material.

The Red Skull (brook no imitations)

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Posted by The Real Red Skull on September 05, 1997 at 06:47:31 PDT
in reply to Re: I'M BAAACK! (also answers to various posts) (1809), posted by Rein on August 23, 1997 at 15:32:51 PDT

> I seem to recall that the molecule man reduced the shield to putty in an Avengers issue. This was back in the days when he could only manipulate inorganic molecules. If the molecule man could do this then Galactus certainly could do the same if not more.

> Rein

I think the Beyonder disintegrated it once too during SWII. The classic is from one of the first few avengers (its in the Marvel Book of Stuff Ups or whatever it's called, I can't find it) when cap's shield melts away and then is back several panels later with no explanation whatsoever!

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Posted by Bubba2 on September 05, 1997 at 07:04:40 PDT
in reply to Who would've thunk it? (1922), posted by Starving Writer on September 04, 1997 at 14:15:39 PDT

> Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

> Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

> Starving Writer

Hey Starving,

They ain't sold out here in Waco, TX! The comic shop I frequent only ordered 5 and still had 4 left when I was in there yesterday afternoon! I looked through an issue and found it looked surprisingly like a cross between Liefeld's run on Cap and Waid's Kingdom Come for DC. In other words, it looked boring and the art looked worse (they even had a variant cover, IIRC). So, if you want a copy to burn, let me know and I'll see what we can do. After all, it is your $3.00!

Happy Birthday,

Bubba2

P.S.--Do you think someone ought to explain to Liefeld and Loeb that the communists are no longer in power in the former Soviet Union! I had to laugh out loud when I saw the communists in this book!

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Posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 07:14:06 PDT
in reply to Re: Hey, Plaidy! (1929), posted by The Real Red Skull on September 05, 1997 at 06:43:34 PDT

> > Hey, does anyone have an idea where that Cap homage to Superman pic is?

>
> >
> > Cya
> > The Plaid Goblin

> Have you checked out the Super-soldier stuff at Amalgamcomics.com (or whatever it is). Some of that super soldier stuff (Cap/Superman hybrid) is classic cap material.

>
> The Red Skull (brook no imitations)

Actually, I found that image and then scanned it and sent it to Sam and Alvaro. I don't know if they plan to put in on the banner.

Falcon

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Posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 07:23:25 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1931), posted by Bubba2 on September 05, 1997 at 07:04:40 PDT

> > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

> > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

> > Starving Writer

> Hey Starving,

> They ain't sold out here in Waco, TX! The comic shop I frequent only ordered 5 and still had 4 left when I was in there yesterday afternoon! I looked through an issue and found it looked surprisingly like a cross between Liefeld's run on Cap and Waid's Kingdom Come for DC. In other words, it looked boring and the art looked worse (they even had a variant cover, IIRC). So, if you want a copy to burn, let me know and I'll see what we can do. After all, it is your $3.00!

> Happy Birthday,

> Bubba2

> P.S.--Do you think someone ought to explain to Liefeld and Loeb that the communists are no longer in power in the former Soviet Union! I had to laugh out loud when I saw the communists in this book!

They haven't sold out in a comics shop in Yonkers, NY either. I flipped through the book and there was one scene that was suggestive of the scene Kingdom Come, as you suggest (the one where WW tries to convince SM to come out of retirement). As for the art, notice how it flips between Liefeld and that other guy, S. Platt, who drew Prophet? Is it a theme of some sort or laziness on Liefeld's part? Anyway, the existence of this knock-off title makes me that more eager for Cap's return in December.

Falcon

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Posted by Patriot. on September 05, 1997 at 07:24:56 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1933), posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 07:23:25 PDT

> > > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)

>
> > > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?

>
> > > Starving Writer

>
> > Hey Starving,

>
> > They ain't sold out here in Waco, TX! The comic shop I frequent only ordered 5 and still had 4 left when I was in there yesterday afternoon! I looked through an issue and found it looked surprisingly like a cross between Liefeld's run on Cap and Waid's Kingdom Come for DC. In other words, it looked boring and the art looked worse (they even had a variant cover, IIRC). So, if you want a copy to burn, let me know and I'll see what we can do. After all, it is your $3.00!

>
> > Happy Birthday,

>
> > Bubba2

>
> > P.S.--Do you think someone ought to explain to Liefeld and Loeb that the communists are no longer in power in the former Soviet Union! I had to laugh out loud when I saw the communists in this book!

> They haven't sold out in a comics shop in Yonkers, NY either. I flipped through the book and there was one scene that was suggestive of the scene Kingdom Come, as you suggest (the one where WW tries to convince SM to come out of retirement). As for the art, notice how it flips between Liefeld and that other guy, S. Platt, who drew Prophet? Is it a theme of some sort or laziness on Liefeld's part? Anyway, the existence of this knock-off title makes me that more eager for Cap's return in December.

> Falcon

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Posted by Starving Writer on September 05, 1997 at 11:22:50 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1925), posted by Albert B. Ching on September 04, 1997 at 17:48:50 PDT

> > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)
> > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?
> > Starving Writer
> Yes. I've encountered quite a bit of sane, rational Leifeld fans. He is actually, pretty popular. Don't let internet hype cloud your judgement.
> ALbert

After meeting CMV on the usenet, it'll be hard for me to imagine a Liefeld fan being sane and rational.

But I'll try. :)

Starving Writer

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Posted by Batroc on September 05, 1997 at 14:37:11 PDT

>>>Who would win???
>>>Is the Red Spider more powerful than the Plaid Skull??
>>>Plaid Panther v. Pink Panther.... Who would win??
Questions the Universe longs to know! For that is the way of
honor, the way of Batroc the Leaper.
P.S. Cap is the greatest of the Marvel and DC Superheroes

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Posted by Albert B. Ching on September 05, 1997 at 15:50:45 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1935), posted by Starving Writer on September 05, 1997 at 11:22:50 PDT

> > > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)
> > > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?
> > > Starving Writer
> > Yes. I've encountered quite a bit of sane, rational Leifeld fans. He is actually, pretty popular. Don't let internet hype cloud your judgement.
> > ALbert
> After meeting CMV on the usenet, it'll be hard for me to imagine a Liefeld fan being sane and rational.
> But I'll try. :)
> Starving Writer
Actually, Christian Viola was the rational Lifeld fan I was referring to.
Albert

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Posted by WAR on September 05, 1997 at 18:16:57 PDT

I was looking at one of those new statues of marvel classic heros.they had spidey,hulk,and cap.I was looking at the small pictue of the comic on the back of caps display,and he has a funky shaped shield!

Has he always had the round shield,or WAS there indeed another before the round one?

thanx in advance;WAR

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Posted by Hogun2 on September 05, 1997 at 18:44:12 PDT
in reply to cap's other shield??/ (1938), posted by WAR on September 05, 1997 at 18:16:57 PDT

> I was looking at one of those new statues of marvel classic heros.they had spidey,hulk,and cap.I was looking at the small pictue of the comic on the back of caps display,and he has a funky shaped shield!

> Has he always had the round shield,or WAS there indeed another before the round one?

> thanx in advance;WAR

Cap did indeed have that shield for a short time, It was the original shield designed by Kirby. It appeared in the first few issues of Captain America Comicsl, back in the early '40's. The design was soon changed to the current design, although at times, it was drawn with a blue ring.

-Hogun2

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Posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 18:57:48 PDT

...the tribute to Supes

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Posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 18:59:34 PDT
in reply to Here it is... (1940), posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 18:57:48 PDT

> ...the tribute to Supes

>

Blast it!!! It didn't work. I'll try again later.

Falcon

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Posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 19:02:57 PDT
in reply to Here it is... (1940), posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 18:57:48 PDT

> ...the tribute to Supes

>

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Posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 19:06:44 PDT
in reply to Let me try this again... (1942), posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 19:02:57 PDT

>
> > ...the tribute to Supes

> >

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Posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 19:07:01 PDT
in reply to Let me try this again... (1942), posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 19:02:57 PDT

>
> > ...the tribute to Supes

> >

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Posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 19:07:57 PDT
in reply to Let me try this again... (1942), posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 19:02:57 PDT

>
> > ...the tribute to Supes

> >

had the addy wrong! Somebody shoot me! And disregard the previous post.

Falcon

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Posted by Fighting America on September 05, 1997 at 20:22:42 PDT

He decadicate Fighting America one to them

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Posted by LT on September 05, 1997 at 20:47:08 PDT

It was a good issue, he is alot stronger than Cap though.

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Posted by Batroc on September 05, 1997 at 21:47:46 PDT
in reply to Re: cap's other shield??/ (1939), posted by Hogun2 on September 05, 1997 at 18:44:12 PDT

»
> > I was looking at one of those new statues of marvel classic heros.they had spidey,hulk,and cap.I was looking at the small pictue of the comic on the back of caps display,and he has a funky shaped shield!
> > Has he always had the round shield,or WAS there indeed another before the round one?
> > thanx in advance;WAR
> Cap did indeed have that shield for a short time, It was the original shield designed by Kirby. It appeared in the first few issues of Captain America Comicsl, back in the early '40's. The design was soon changed to the current design, although at times, it was drawn with a blue ring.
> -Hogun2
>>>The ring is supposed to be blue! Cap changed to a round shield after his first issue. There were legal concerns from a rival comic company. The original shield was also seen in Avengers #71, Invaders Annual #1, Cap #247, and the Avengers/MOE mansion showdown #278?? and the Adventures of Captain America.
Batroc the Leaper

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Posted by Matt the Raven on September 07, 1997 at 00:40:29 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1933), posted by Falcon on September 05, 1997 at 07:23:25 PDT

> They haven't sold out in a comics shop in Yonkers, NY either. I flipped through the book and there was one scene that was suggestive of the scene Kingdom Come, as you suggest (the one where WW tries to convince SM to come out of retirement). As for the art, notice how it flips between Liefeld and that other guy, S. Platt, who drew Prophet? Is it a theme of some sort or laziness on Liefeld's part? Anyway, the existence of this knock-off title makes me that more eager for Cap's return in December.

> Falcon

I haven't seen them in Norman, OK... maybe the relatively positive response to Judgment Day carried over in some circles?

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Posted by The American Swashbuckler on September 07, 1997 at 07:33:12 PDT
in reply to The Fighting American (1947), posted by LT on September 05, 1997 at 20:47:08 PDT

> It was a good issue, he is alot stronger than Cap though.

I looked through this issue in the comic book store. It was essentially Rob's HR Captain America # 1, almost down to the exact frame.

There is even a "Bucky" who looks EXACTLY like his HR Bucky, and "Fighting American", it turns out, is a clone of Steve Rogers. Who ever would have guessed?

But even that I could laugh away. Then I saw what Rob said at the end of the comic. About how evil Marvel is. And about how terribly he, AND THE FANS, have been wronged because Marvel pulled the plug.

My God. Rob Liefelf has got some serious issues to work out.

What a fool.

-- Swashbuckler

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Posted by The Real Red Skull on September 07, 1997 at 09:28:55 PDT
in reply to The Real Red Skull v. The Plaid Skull (1936), posted by Batroc on September 05, 1997 at 14:37:11 PDT

> >>>Who would win???
> >>>Is the Red Spider more powerful than the Plaid Skull??
> >>>Plaid Panther v. Pink Panther.... Who would win??
> Questions the Universe longs to know! For that is the way of
> honor, the way of Batroc the Leaper.
> P.S. Cap is the greatest of the Marvel and DC Superheroes

Of course I am the strongest! In this universe or any other pocket universe we may have fallen into. At least with this blasted revamp of cap this last year or so (has it been so long) the skull returned straight away.

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Posted by Bubba2 on September 07, 1997 at 12:31:49 PDT
in reply to Rob makes fun of Waid and Garey (1946), posted by Fighting America on September 05, 1997 at 20:22:42 PDT

> He decadicate Fighting America one to them

I wouldn't call that "making fun," I'd call it cruel and inhuman
punishment! Did you take a close look at Fighting ("I screwed up
Cap so now I'll try to retell my stories through another poorly
contrived plot device") America? It was not only bad, it was worse
than bad! That's why I didn't buy it!

Happy Birthday,

Bubba2

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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on September 07, 1997 at 12:38:04 PDT
in reply to Re: Rob makes fun of Waid and Garey (1952), posted by Bubba2 on September 07, 1997 at 12:31:49 PDT

> > He decadicate Fighting America one to them

> I wouldn't call that "making fun," I'd call it cruel and inhuman
> punishment! Did you take a close look at Fighting ("I screwed up
> Cap so now I'll try to retell my stories through another poorly
> contrived plot device") America? It was not only bad, it was worse
> than bad! That's why I didn't buy it!

> Happy Birthday,

> Bubba2

...um.... how does dedicating an issue of your comic to someone consititute "making fun of them"? Actually, I always thought that Robby was too dim witted to successfully spoof anyone. His lame attempts come across as awkward and unclear. If this "decadication" is a real attempt at making fun of the two guys who are finally back on that book..... it comes across more as sour grapes....

A Fact Finding Ned

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Posted by Bubba2 on September 07, 1997 at 12:39:30 PDT
in reply to The Fighting American (1947), posted by LT on September 05, 1997 at 20:47:08 PDT

> It was a good issue, he is alot stronger than Cap though.

Ya got that right, Buckeroo! FA stunk up the whole comic so bad that I
had to put it down and fumigate it right there in the comic shop! Damn,
that was one badly drawn and badly written comic, no?

Happy Birthday,

Bubba2

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Posted by Starving Writer on September 07, 1997 at 13:31:57 PDT
in reply to Re: Who would've thunk it? (1937), posted by Albert B. Ching on September 05, 1997 at 15:50:45 PDT

> > > > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.)
> > > > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there?
> > > > Starving Writer
> > > Yes. I've encountered quite a bit of sane, rational Leifeld fans. He is actually, pretty popular. Don't let internet hype cloud your judgement.
> > > ALbert
> > After meeting CMV on the usenet, it'll be hard for me to imagine a Liefeld fan being sane and rational.
> > But I'll try. :)
> > Starving Writer
> Actually, Christian Viola was the rational Lifeld fan I was referring to.
> Albert

If CMV is a rational and sane LIEfeld fan, I'd hate to meet an irrational, insane LIEfeld fan...

Starving Writer

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Posted by David Medinnus on September 07, 1997 at 15:23:21 PDT
in reply to WHAT?!?!?! And Another Thing, Too! (1950), posted by The American Swashbuckler on September 07, 1997 at 07:33:12 PDT

> I looked through this issue in the comic book store. It was essentially Rob's HR Captain America # 1, almost down to the exact frame.

I disagree - there were almost no similarities in plot.

> There is even a "Bucky" who looks EXACTLY like his HR Bucky, and "Fighting American", it turns out, is a clone of Steve Rogers. Who ever would have guessed?

They look like the same characters, but they are written quite differently; SPICE bears no resemblence to the Bucky character from a characterization point of view, and Rob's FA is much different that the HR Cap.

> But even that I could laugh away. Then I saw what Rob said at the end of the comic. About how evil Marvel is. And about how terribly he, AND THE FANS, have been wronged because Marvel pulled the plug.

Uhhhh...yeah, I found his version of what happened at varience with the facts.

> My God. Rob Liefelf has got some serious issues to work out.
> What a fool.

Well, very few people can look at a situation where they are wrong and cop to it. And lets not forget that they aren't OUR issues, and he's not on our book anymore. So...let him have problems. This affects us not a bit if we ignore him.

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Posted by HP Wagtone on September 07, 1997 at 16:53:55 PDT
in reply to Re: WHAT?!?!?! And Another Thing, Too! (1956), posted by David Medinnus on September 07, 1997 at 15:23:21 PDT

> Well, very few people can look at a situation where they are wrong and cop to it. And lets not forget that they aren't OUR issues, and he's not on our book anymore. So...let him have problems. This affects us not a bit if we ignore him.

I really should have taken your advice and ignored it, but Im a sucker for patriotic heros so I bought it. Whatta mistake.

Rob and Jeph (who no one ever blamed for that horrible run on Heroes Reborn, he was just as guilty..) can't seem to make up their minds on
who the big bad FA is fighting. The year is 1954, indicating that the Nazis are gone and the Russians are the enemy now. This is proven by
the appearence of the hammer and sickle logo. Yet the "Russian" troops are all wearing Nazi style helmets and the officer even has a german eagle on his hat. Russians wear RED STARS on their hats.
Then FA attacks the "commies" and the fighting begins. Then FA proceeds to blow up a bunker, yet it has a NAZI flag on it!!!

Aside from the historical inconsistancies, the story and art were terrible never shall I buy a Liefield product again, this I vow!!

HP


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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on September 07, 1997 at 17:25:24 PDT
in reply to Commies and Nazi's.... There is a difference (1957), posted by HP Wagtone on September 07, 1997 at 16:53:55 PDT

> > Well, very few people can look at a situation where they are wrong and cop to it. And lets not forget that they aren't OUR issues, and he's not on our book anymore. So...let him have problems. This affects us not a bit if we ignore him.

> I really should have taken your advice and ignored it, but Im a sucker for patriotic heros so I bought it. Whatta mistake.

> Rob and Jeph (who no one ever blamed for that horrible run on Heroes Reborn, he was just as guilty..) can't seem to make up their minds on
> who the big bad FA is fighting. The year is 1954, indicating that the Nazis are gone and the Russians are the enemy now. This is proven by
> the appearence of the hammer and sickle logo. Yet the "Russian" troops are all wearing Nazi style helmets and the officer even has a german eagle on his hat. Russians wear RED STARS on their hats.
> Then FA attacks the "commies" and the fighting begins. Then FA proceeds to blow up a bunker, yet it has a NAZI flag on it!!!

> Aside from the historical inconsistancies, the story and art were terrible never shall I buy a Liefield product again, this I vow!!

> HP
> 

Hmmmmmm..... I made this same vow after X-Force #6 or so.
As far as inconsistancies, Liefeld has never done his homework (not that he is the only ignorant comic writer in the business) on the books he writes. His geography, history, characterizations, references or lack thereof, and most obviously his artwork show a blatant disregard for hard work and striving for personal or professional growth. Simply put..... the boy is lazy. If he doesn't care about the quality of the garbage that he puts out, then why in the world would I buy it???

A Doller Conscious Ned

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