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Posted by herby on September 08, 1997 at 04:46:07 PDT
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Posted by herby on September 08, 1997 at 05:11:52 PDT
> > > > had the addy wrong! Somebody shoot me! And disregard the previous post. > Falcon im glad you got it right falcon great picture Host = ppp71.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.171) |
Posted by herby on September 08, 1997 at 05:34:19 PDT
> A Wondering War > p.s.I like the eagle on his forehead better than the "A" well i like the new captain america for one the drawings are good Host = ppp71.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.171) |
Posted by Tony Stark on September 08, 1997 at 05:42:45 PDT None of the stores here in St. Marys are selling Fighting American or anything from Rob's company. Not that I would look at them for fear of gastrointestinal pain and severe migraines. Tony Stark
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Posted by Bubba2 on September 08, 1997 at 07:58:18 PDT
> > > I really should have taken your advice and ignored it, but Im a sucker for patriotic heros so I bought it. Whatta mistake. > > Rob and Jeph (who no one ever blamed for that horrible run on Heroes Reborn, he was just as guilty..) can't seem to make up their minds on > > Aside from the historical inconsistancies, the story and art were terrible never shall I buy a Liefield product again, this I vow!! > > HP > Hmmmmmm..... I made this same vow after X-Force #6 or so. > A Doller Conscious Ned Well, I didn't buy the book either, even though I did look through it at the store! Just glancing at the pages showed major flaws and major similarities to Rob's HR Crap--let me mention some flaws (which, btw, also serve as some similarities!). FA's shield has that mysterious power of shifting arms between panels, and his belt disappears at a moments notice (not to mention the fact that his belt buckle has shape changing capabilities!). Rob has no idea how many stripes are on the American flag (nor which color the flag's stripes ends with!). Someone has already mentioned the Nazi/Commie mix up, but did anyone else notice the similarity between this plot and certain Rambo movies? Well, at the very least, we can say the ol Robbie is consistent--consistently bad! Happy Birthday, Bubba2
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Posted by Gaijin on September 08, 1997 at 10:11:02 PDT
> is there any one that can explain who!! this is ive seen a small What are you talking about?! Host = 199.222.162.39 (199.222.162.39) |
Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 08, 1997 at 13:21:07 PDT HP wrote: > I really should have taken your advice and ignored it, but Im a sucker for patriotic heros so I bought it. Whatta mistake. I was lucky enough to have the chance to read a friend's copy. My goodness, this comic was bad. > Rob and Jeph (who no one ever blamed for that horrible run on Heroes Reborn, he was just as guilty..) And that's what gets me about Loeb. He can write a good story, i.e. his Batman work with Tim Sale. But whenever he gets around Liefeld, Liefeld's black hole of amaturism sucks Loeb in. > can't seem to make up their minds on who the big bad FA is fighting. The year is 1954, indicating that the Nazis are gone and the Russians are the enemy now. This is proven by That happened because those pages are leftovers from Rob's terrible run on CAP. Liefeld said FIGHTING AMERICAN wasn't going to include any reused CAP material. He lied. > Aside from the historical inconsistancies, the story and art were terrible never shall I buy a Liefield product again, this I vow!! I'm a big Alan Moore fan, and I once made a joke that I'd buy anything Moore wrote, even if it was drawn by a piece-of-crap artist like Liefeld. Well, I'm suffering through Moore's JUDGEMENT DAY, and Liefeld's pencils make it hard to enjoy the story at all. He's just a tarrible artist. He doesn't give a damn. Ulti-Matt!, who also doesn't give a damn, but as least I don't act like I do Host = dev3.plainfield.k12.in.us (206.140.13.3) |
Posted by Ulti-Matt! Yee-Haw! on September 08, 1997 at 13:26:20 PDT Starving writer writed: > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.) But how many did they order? My shop ordered what was pre-ordered and ten more. There're eight still on the shelf. > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there? A few. Most are blind. Some, like rec.arts.comics.marvel's own Christian Viola, are friggin' idiots. Ulti-Matt!, friggin' Host = dev3.plainfield.k12.in.us (206.140.13.3) |
Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 08, 1997 at 13:28:35 PDT > Am I like,the only person that likes the HR cap better than the regular cap???? Yep. Prepare for assimilation. > A Wondering War > p.s.I like the eagle on his forehead better than the "A" I didn't mind this, myself, until Cap pulled it off. Then, I was cheering. Ulti-Matt!, matches in hand
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Posted by The Red Spider on September 08, 1997 at 14:39:08 PDT
> > is there any one that can explain who!! this is ive seen a small > What are you talking about?! Perhaps he is talking about Ms. America, mother of Nuklo and wife of the original Whizzer. I think she died during child-birth. Thank you for your time, The Red Spider Host = bak-ca2-10.ix.netcom.com (204.32.156.74) |
Posted by Starving Writer on September 08, 1997 at 15:46:30 PDT > Starving writer writed: Psst... that should be "wrote" > > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.) > But how many did they order? My shop ordered what was pre-ordered and ten more. There're eight still on the shelf. Dunno. But the shop owner did say they sold out via subscription. So he probably just only ordered what was pre-ordered. Shame, I was really looking forward to burning that comic... > > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there? > A few. Most are blind. Some, like rec.arts.comics.marvel's own Christian Viola, are friggin' idiots. > Ulti-Matt!, friggin' That was an insult to idiots everywhere. Starving Writer Host = 150.216.125.37 (150.216.125.37) |
Posted by Albert B. Ching on September 08, 1997 at 20:08:33 PDT
> > > > > Fighting American #1 SOLD OUT at my local comics shop. Yep, you read that right. It friggin' SOLD OUT! I didn't even get a copy for myself. (I would've burnt my copy, then posted pictures of the burning comic on the net.) Host = aztec2.asu.edu (129.219.129.221) |
Posted by damaged on September 08, 1997 at 20:22:28 PDT
> Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there? > Starving Writer I WISH I COULD SEE A PICTURE OF YOUR HEAD BURNING ALL OVER THE NET... Host = ppp03.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.103) |
Posted by Albert Ching on September 08, 1997 at 20:27:42 PDT
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Posted by DAMAGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:28:13 PDT
> So what's new? > ME Host = ppp03.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.103) |
Posted by DAMAGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:39:46 PDT
Batman will kick the living fuck out of him. Captain America won't know what hit him. I think that even robin would flog him sencless
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Posted by DAMADGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:46:39 PDT
Don't come apart on us Batroc you leaper. Host = ppp03.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.103) |
Posted by DAMAGED on September 08, 1997 at 20:55:41 PDT
Hi Im damaged from Australia.
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Posted by Batroc on September 08, 1997 at 21:01:56 PDT
> Hi Im damaged from Australia. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
Posted by The Red Spider on September 08, 1997 at 22:04:24 PDT
> > Hi Im damaged from Australia. How do you know that is Jamie? He has a different IP address. Thank you for your time, The Red Spider Host = bak-ca2-17.ix.netcom.com (204.32.156.81) |
Posted by Albert B. Ching on September 08, 1997 at 22:05:23 PDT
> > > Hi Im damaged from Australia. Host = aztec2.asu.edu (129.219.129.221) |
Posted by The Red Spider on September 08, 1997 at 22:26:37 PDT
> Hi Im damaged from Australia. Didn't Diamondback leave him so she can become Snapdragon? Welcome to the board. Thank you for your time,
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Posted by Damaged on September 09, 1997 at 03:20:46 PDT
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Posted by DAMAGED on September 09, 1997 at 03:44:04 PDT I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages . I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation. Host = ppp64.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.164) |
Posted by DAMAGED on September 09, 1997 at 03:44:09 PDT I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages . I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation. Host = ppp64.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.164) |
Posted by batroc on September 09, 1997 at 06:23:59 PDT
> > > Hi Im damaged from Australia. > How do you know that is Jamie? He has a different IP address. Thank you for your time,
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Posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 06:42:27 PDT > I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages . > I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation. Punctuation ain't the problem here, Damaged, but insulting posts are! Now, I'll admit that your first post left lots to be desired, but I didn't find it as insulting as Jamie used to be. In response to your original question--no, Cap is not gay. If he was, then he'd be dating Falcon instead of all the women he's gone out with in the past. Also, there was an issue in which Cap confronted the gay issue with regards to someone he knew. IIRC, Cap basically said that he wouldn't choose the lifestyle, but he also wouldn't negatively judge someone how did. Someone else brought this issue up some months ago, could anyone give a better recap (pun intended)? Happy Birthday, Bubba
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Posted by Hal/Wally in 2000 on September 09, 1997 at 11:14:43 PDT First I would like to say that I laughed big time when I saw that Rob Suckfield was comming out with a clone of Captain America. Then somehow, GOD ONLY KNOWS, he got premission to use Fighting American....what kind of moron is he. His Cap. was the worst in the glorious history of Captain America and soon he will realize that hardly anyone on this Earth thinks he is a good artist. He needs to get a job that he would be good at like collecting trash :-).......
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Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 11:51:54 PDT
> > I didn't agree with the numbering scheme either. However, I recently read an interview with Kurt Busiek and he supported the numbering idea. I'm paraphraing but he said that he has a lot of faith in Himself and Waid to put out good work. He knows that 35% more comics will be sold with the #1 posted on them and therefor 35% more fans will see the good direction these characters are headed for. It kind of makes sense when you think of it. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 11:59:47 PDT
> > > I didn't agree with the numbering scheme either. However, I recently read an interview with Kurt Busiek and he supported the numbering idea. I'm paraphraing but he said that he has a lot of faith in Himself and Waid to put out good work. He knows that 35% more comics will be sold with the #1 posted on them and therefor 35% more fans will see the good direction these characters are headed for. It kind of makes sense when you think of it. > Patriot. Patriot: You and I usually see eye to eye on things, but I gotta disagree with this one. If simply putting a number 1 on a comic will bring in more readers (as opposed to more "collectors"), then every comic should be an issue #1! Or, barring that, each year they should reboot every title, so that we always have a new #1 to draw in new readers. Naw, I think #1s primarily draw in new speculator/collectors, and not readers. Readers are usually drawn to things like good stories and art (which the new titles will have in plenty!). A disagreeable Bubba
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Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 12:45:04 PDT
> You and I usually see eye to eye on things, but I gotta disagree with this one. If simply putting a number 1 on a comic will bring in more readers (as opposed to more "collectors"), then every comic should be an issue #1! Or, barring that, each year they should reboot every title, so that we always have a new #1 to draw in new readers. Naw, I think #1s primarily draw in new speculator/collectors, and not readers. Readers are usually drawn to things like good stories and art (which the new titles will have in plenty!). > A disagreeable Bubba Fear not Bubba. You and I still see eye to eye on this one. I hate the numbering scheme. It is a tactic I hoped that Marvel wouldn't take. However, it was nice to see Kurt try to find some good in this situation. I'm not going to let the numbering problem stop me from picking up Cap or Avengers. I think we can also agree on this as well. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 09, 1997 at 13:20:05 PDT Damaged wrote: > I'm just a Captain America fan like the rest of you and just want to read and leave messages. Good. I'm new here, too, but welcome. Try to remember, some people won't share your opinions and some of those people will respond with anger. Let them be angry. And some people find offensive the notion that Cap must be gay because he isn't shown having sex. If they find that offensive, fine. Let them. Don't worry yourself. Just about everything a person writes has the chance of pissing off someone. > I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation. That's not what Albert was saying. He wasn't teasing you about your punctuation at all. I'm guessing there was a guy named Jamie who came here and acted like a jackass. When Batroc read your message about Cap being gay and found it offensive, he thought you might be this Jamie person in disguise. You aren't. Fine. No biggie. That's it. Have fun. (And as a side note, I think Cap and Sharon Carter got freaky a time or two.) Ulti-Matt!, freaky
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Posted by Thomas Chamberlain on September 09, 1997 at 13:29:21 PDT Does anyone know what happened to the shield that CAP used when he was "The Captain"? The one made by Tony Stark. Tom Host = ont1217.deltanet.com (205.230.203.217) |
Posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 14:08:00 PDT
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> Fear not Bubba. You and I still see eye to eye on this one. I hate the numbering scheme. It is a tactic I hoped that Marvel wouldn't take. However, it was nice to see Kurt try to find some good in this situation. I'm not going to let the numbering problem stop me from picking up Cap or Avengers. I think we can also agree on this as well. > Patriot. Patriot: Well, now my world is once again safe and sane! A happier, more secure Bubba
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Posted by Ned Leeds Jr. on September 09, 1997 at 14:13:59 PDT > Does anyone know what happened to the shield that CAP used when he was "The Captain"? The one made by Tony Stark. > Tom ...... or his original .... which was broken. Remember this one???? it looked more like a traditional shield and like an early American flag design. Archivist Ned Host = 155.42.32.15 (155.42.32.15) |
Posted by Chris Dekin on September 09, 1997 at 14:28:51 PDT
> Does anyone know what happened to the shield that CAP used when he was "The Captain"? The one made by Tony Stark. Host = splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu (137.142.18.1) |
Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 14:39:52 PDT > > I didn't think that you were so fussy with punctuation. > That's not what Albert was saying. He wasn't teasing you about your punctuation at all. > I'm guessing there was a guy named Jamie who came here and acted like a jackass. When Batroc read your message about Cap being gay and found it offensive, he thought you might be this Jamie person in disguise. You aren't. Fine. No biggie. Yeah, Jamie was a real [filthy character assassination deleted]. And he has a penchant for pseudonyms. It was just a case of mistaken identity. > That's it. Have fun. > (And as a side note, I think Cap and Sharon Carter got freaky a time or two.) > Ulti-Matt!, freaky I think that about Steve and Bernie, too. Marvel has a habit of showing two people getting romantic, and then cutting to another scene, returning with a caption that says, "Sometime later. It's almost subtle.
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Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 14:49:45 PDT > > Fear not Bubba. You and I still see eye to eye on this one. I hate the numbering scheme. It is a tactic I hoped that Marvel wouldn't take. However, it was nice to see Kurt try to find some good in this situation. I'm not going to let the numbering problem stop me from picking up Cap or Avengers. I think we can also agree on this as well. > > Patriot. > Patriot: > Well, now my world is once again safe and sane! > A happier, more secure Bubba I've posted this elsewhere and no one's ever bothered to answer me. What difference does it make what number is on the cover? Isn't it what's inside that counts? Not raggin' on ya, guys, I really don't understand.
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Posted by Bubba2 on September 09, 1997 at 14:58:03 PDT > > > Fear not Bubba. You and I still see eye to eye on this one. I hate the numbering scheme. It is a tactic I hoped that Marvel wouldn't take. However, it was nice to see Kurt try to find some good in this situation. I'm not going to let the numbering problem stop me from picking up Cap or Avengers. I think we can also agree on this as well. > > > Patriot. > > Patriot: > > Well, now my world is once again safe and sane! > > A happier, more secure Bubba > I've posted this elsewhere and no one's ever bothered to answer me. What difference does it make what number is on the cover? Isn't it what's inside that counts? > Not raggin' on ya, guys, I really don't understand. > Well, Dox, in a sense it doesn't matter if the story and art are good. Yet, in another way, it does matter to me in that changing the numbering at least implies a change in the character and an implicit (if not explicit) denial of all the history (i.e., the other issues) that went before. Let me put it to you like this--you've collected Captain America since it was numbered in the early 100's, and you have an almost complete collection up through the first Waid/Garney run. Now, you have the HR crap interrupting the flow and soon you'll have new numbers with which to contend. In other words, it spoils the sense of longevity of a title. Also, putting out another #1 just for the heck of it (i.e., as a gimmick to attract speculators) is just downright a waste of time! As I said before, if putting #1 on a comic will attract more consistent readers, then number them all #1! Of course, this trick wouldn't work, so they don't do it! An explanatory Bubba
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Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:10:43 PDT
Chris is right. We never see Cap's adamantium shield after he gives it back to Stark after Armor Wars. However, I did write a piece of fan fict that had it stolen by Red Guardian III and that it's Tony's Shield that he slings in Russia. Patriot. Host = liv6-3.idirect.com (207.136.96.131) |
Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:16:05 PDT As for the original? I'm assuming you mean the one in Captain America Comics #1. I just bought Cap 247 and it showed him finding it in an old footlocker. That's the one Mr. Hyde smooshed in the Avengers big Masters of Evil war.
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Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:18:59 PDT > Chris is right. We never see Cap's adamantium shield after he gives it back to Stark after Armor Wars. However, I did write a piece of fan fict that had it stolen by Red Guardian III and that it's Tony's Shield that he slings in Russia. > Patriot. I always assumed the sheild used by the Captain is the one now used by the USAgent. Isn't it?
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Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:19:27 PDT
> > Not raggin' on ya, guys, I really don't understand. > > > Well, Dox, in a sense it doesn't matter if the story and art are good. Yet, in another way, it does matter to me in that changing the numbering at least implies a change in the character and an implicit (if not explicit) denial of all the history (i.e., the other issues) that went before. Let me put it to you like this--you've collected Captain America since it was numbered in the early 100's, and you have an almost complete collection up through the first Waid/Garney run. Now, you have the HR crap interrupting the flow and soon you'll have new numbers with which to contend. In other words, it spoils the sense of longevity of a title. Also, putting out another #1 just for the heck of it (i.e., as a gimmick to attract speculators) is just downright a waste of time! As I said before, if putting #1 on a comic will attract more consistent readers, then number them all #1! Of course, this trick wouldn't work, so they don't do it! > An explanatory Bubba I'll add to this by saying that by saying this is strictly a collector thing (I am a big time collector). We like to see the numbering continue so that it's there to remind us that there is a rich and long standing history with these characters. It's also a thrill to see your collection expand each month that passes. Patriot Host = liv6-3.idirect.com (207.136.96.131) |
Posted by Patriot on September 09, 1997 at 15:22:24 PDT
> > Patriot. > I always assumed the sheild used by the Captain is the one now used by the USAgent. Isn't it? > The one used by US Agent was made of vibranium and and given to him by Black Panther after Steve gave back the steel-gray shield. Read Cap #339-345 for details. Patriot. Host = liv6-3.idirect.com (207.136.96.131) |
Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:26:10 PDT > > Well, Dox, in a sense it doesn't matter if the story and art are good. Yet, in another way, it does matter to me in that changing the numbering at least implies a change in the character and an implicit (if not explicit) denial of all the history (i.e., the other issues) that went before. Let me put it to you like this--you've collected Captain America since it was numbered in the early 100's, and you have an almost complete collection up through the first Waid/Garney run. Now, you have the HR crap interrupting the flow and soon you'll have new numbers with which to contend. In other words, it spoils the sense of longevity of a title. Also, putting out another #1 just for the heck of it (i.e., as a gimmick to attract speculators) is just downright a waste of time! As I said before, if putting #1 on a comic will attract more consistent readers, then number them all #1! Of course, this trick wouldn't work, so they don't do it! > > An explanatory Bubba > I'll add to this by saying that by saying this is strictly a collector thing (I am a big time collector). We like to see the numbering continue so that it's there to remind us that there is a rich and long standing history with these characters. It's also a thrill to see your collection expand each month that passes. > Patriot Well, at least I have an explanation, now. I can't say I agree, at all, but, I guess I don't take the outside of 'em a seriously as you guys do. Hell, some of my favorite comics are the ones I bought in the '70s at three for a quarter with no covers.
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Posted by Paradox on September 09, 1997 at 15:29:47 PDT > The one used by US Agent was made of vibranium and and given to him by Black Panther after Steve gave back the steel-gray shield. Read Cap #339-345 for details. > Patriot. Gotcha! Thanks.
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Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 09, 1997 at 15:53:15 PDT Para-undies wrote: > Yeah, Jamie was a real [filthy character assassination deleted]. And he has a penchant for pseudonyms. It was just a case of mistaken identity. I see you have those on this board, too. Idiots, I mean. There's a jackass on rac.marvel who'd curl your hair (if you like logical, rational thought, that is). And then tis about Cap betting freaky with women: > I think that about Steve and Bernie, too. Marvel has a habit of showing two people getting romantic, and then cutting to another scene, returning with a caption that says, "Sometime later. It's almost subtle. I suppose they could show Cap washing off his johnson in the sink, but the Code people might get their collective bowels in an uproar. :') Ulti-Matt!, who is glad for the Code, in this case Host = lt16-161.ulib.iupui.edu (134.68.161.235) |
Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 09, 1997 at 16:04:20 PDT Paradox writes: > I've posted this elsewhere and no one's ever bothered to answer me. What difference does it make what number is on the cover? Isn't it what's inside that counts? > Not raggin' on ya, guys, I really don't understand. What's inside is what ultimately (love that word) matters, of course. A good story and sharp art will keep me coming back time and again. Numbering on the cover matters because of a very necessary connection to the past that long-running series like this have to have. Cap has been around for a long, long time, and we all know that. We all also know how enamored of the past comic book readers are; there are some who spend huge amounts of time worrying over continuity and the like. Continuing the numbering scheme from the original series would be a solid connection to the past. Not necessarily a must-have, vitally-important connection, but a nice, solid one. A new #1 would bring more sales. It would get the book out in front of more people, which translates into more readers. For me, the numbers don't matter that much, just as long as Waid and Garney get back and wipe the memory of Rob's pseudo-Cap from my mind. Ulti-Matt!, who always wipes Host = lt16-161.ulib.iupui.edu (134.68.161.235) |
Posted by Rimes on September 09, 1997 at 16:06:21 PDT
Man oh man, Cap didn't really say that in the manner you described, did he? I'd hate to think that Cap (or, the Cap-writer who wrote it) believes gay people are choosing to be gay, choosing a gay "lifestyle," etc. One of Cap's best friends from childhood, Arnie, was gay, and was not a stereotype, if memory serves. Rob
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Posted by Albert B. Ching on September 09, 1997 at 16:42:30 PDT
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Posted by Batroc on September 09, 1997 at 18:39:04 PDT
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Posted by Starving Writer on September 09, 1997 at 19:51:03 PDT
> > > Dear God, there are actually Liefeld fans out there? > > Starving Writer > I WISH I COULD SEE A PICTURE OF YOUR HEAD BURNING ALL OVER THE NET... You just might get your wish. I got FA #1 today, and all I can say is burning it is too good for that "comic." Starving Writer who has the camera and the lightener ready, and all he needs is a place and somebody who will take the pictures. Host = 150.216.125.42 (150.216.125.42) |
Posted by Tony Stark on September 10, 1997 at 06:28:46 PDT Okay, all this talk about Cap's other shield and his other other shield has got me confused. I thought he had only two shields 1) The original shield he kept for a couple months in the 1940's and 2) The round shield by Myron McLean that Cap has used ever since. If I'm wrong can someone tell me what other shields their were, and what happened to them? Thanks. Tony Stark Host = nbre-ras2-cs-13.dial.bright.net (207.58.96.56) |
Posted by DAMAGED on September 10, 1997 at 06:53:43 PDT
> Tony Stark Iv'e seen a third sheild in issue 452 (man with out a county) and it was yellow with a red ring around the outside. I don't know what happend to it. Host = ppp02.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.102) |
Posted by DAMAGED on September 10, 1997 at 07:12:05 PDT in issue 447* the red skull beaten up by four nazie stormtroopers. isn"t the same super-soildier-bodied skull who, unarmerd,crushed serveral trained killers a few years back? Host = ppp02.geelong.austasia.net (203.16.132.102) |
Posted by Bubba2 on September 10, 1997 at 07:33:20 PDT
> > Man oh man, Cap didn't really say that in the manner you described, did he? I'd hate to think that Cap (or, the Cap-writer who wrote it) believes gay people are choosing to be gay, choosing a gay "lifestyle," etc. One of Cap's best friends from childhood, Arnie, was gay, and was not a stereotype, if memory serves. > Rob
As I said in my post, I'm going solely on memory here, and it is a faulty memory at that! I'm not sure how it was expounded in the actual comic, only that someone on this board some months ago explained the issue in this way (again, if I remember correctly). That's why I asked for corrections, for goodness sakes! For all I know, Cap may not have said anything like what I wrote! Don't judge Cap on my faulty memory, and please let's not start a flame war on homosexuality over my post. Happy Birthday, Bubba
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Posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 07:55:27 PDT
> > Tony Stark > Iv'e seen a third sheild in issue 452 (man with out a county) and it was yellow with a red ring around the outside. I don't know what happend to it. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that Cap has had a total of 7 shields. There might be others out there but they're probably minor instances. I count number 7 as a pretty minor instance myself. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 08:00:21 PDT
Two points on this one: Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 08:08:00 PDT
I'm confused about how much this boy can lift. I always thought that it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way? Patriot Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Bubba2 on September 10, 1997 at 10:19:01 PDT
> I'm confused about how much this boy can lift. I always thought that it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way? > Patriot Well, basically Cap is as strong as the person writing him wants him to be! I believe, however, that the original idea was that the Super Soldier Serum (TM) was meant to bring Steve Rogers to peak human capacity in all areas. I'm not sure what peak human strength would be, but I would think that that would mean that Cap was pretty strong (at least stronger than Batman, but probably not as strong as Spider-Man). I know this really doesn't answer the question, but it's all I know about Cap's strength! A weakling Bubba
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Posted by Doc Pym on September 10, 1997 at 12:40:47 PDT
I think he should have max of 800 maybe 1000 but no more or he's mutant. it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way? Host = gate5.ny.us.ibm.com (198.133.22.22) |
Posted by Patriot on September 10, 1997 at 13:43:44 PDT
Technically Dr Pym, Cap would be a mutate as the serum mutaded his system much like the radioactive spider or cosmic rays. A mutant is born with the mutation (X) factor. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Tony Stark on September 11, 1997 at 06:23:06 PDT
Captain America is suppossed to be this paragon of virtue. Some people have portrayed him as naive and with no vices. But he's human, and humans can't be perfect all the time. I know Cap has had sex (with women for those of you who need to be told), and he does play poker (he still owes the Thing money). He's also been know to swear (nothing harsher then "damn" and "hell"), and to jump to conclusion's about people (but he always corrects himself if his wrong). Cap is from the '40's, and is still a product of his time, but from his year in the latter half of the century, some newer thing have rubbed off of him. He likes big band, but I can see him listening to some pop from nowadays. He's a huge fan of the old b&w films, but I can see him catching the latest action/adventure, and drama. I don't know if he watches westrens or war films (i highly doubt it), but I can't see him watching horror or sci-fi. He likes muscials, the older as well as the newer one like Andrew Lloydd Webber. He doesn't drink too often (maybe never), and he rarely (if ever) smokes. He's a simple, all American boy who likes a game of baseball (maybe basketball, but not football or hockey). He's more prone to have a hamburger and fries, with applea pie and vanilla ice cream for dessert, then go to an expensive restaurnat. I wonder if he ever goes through Burger King or any other fast food restaurant? He likes t.v., and seems to be a fan of Friends. I think he might even watch the occasional X-Files. Tony Stark Host = nbre-ras2-cs-4.dial.bright.net (207.58.96.47) |
Posted by Bubba2 on September 11, 1997 at 06:37:47 PDT Tony Stark, the invincible Iron Man, did pontificate: > Captain America is suppossed to be this paragon of virtue. Some people have portrayed him as naive and with no vices. But he's human, and humans can't be perfect all the time. > Tony Stark A tongue in cheek Bubba
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Posted by Patriot on September 11, 1997 at 07:22:32 PDT
> Tony Stark I think you're in for a treat Tony. Waid is going to delve into those aspects you've described and more. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Patriot on September 11, 1997 at 08:18:01 PDT
Cap's shield withstands a direct hit from Galactus!! There's no way he was holding back as he had just been betrayed by the Surfer. Not only that, but the shield is the only thing left after the devistation of the ultimate nullifier. This helps to prove my theory that the shield is nearly indestructable exept for the most cosmic of beings (Beyonder, Infinity Gems, etc). Please notice I said "This HELPS to prove" my theory and that I know facts from the HR universe are scetchy (there's been a debate over Firelord killing Hulk going on for days at the Hulk board) but it was nice to see the shield once again prevail through adversity. I believe it would take something imensely powerful to destroy this icon due to its history so far and that Magneto wouldn't have a chance of damaging it. It's nice to see Jim Lee agrees with me. I say Jim Lee as he was ultimately in charge and that traitorous Loeb only wrote it. Patriot. Host = blackhole.miti.nb.ca (198.73.125.2) |
Posted by Flagsmasher on September 11, 1997 at 21:37:51 PDT
> I'm confused about how much this boy can lift. I always thought that it was approx. 800-1000 lbs. However, there are a lot of entries since 87 that claim he is at maximum human strength and can press almost 1 ton. The RPG changed his strength to 1 ton as well at the same time. When he was the Captain, he did some pretty remarkable stuff. He ripped off machinery parts, picked up really heavy looking objects, and ripped open jail bars. Did his strength increase along the way? > Patriot I also remember it being stated that John Walker was 10x stronger than Cap(during the replacement cap saga), and Walker can press 10 ton's. Mark Gruenwald's depicted cap in the one ton strength range. Host = slip129-37-157-80.on.ca.ibm.net (129.37.157.80) |
Posted by Doc Pym on September 12, 1997 at 10:35:29 PDT One ton seems like super strength to me, instead of human max Host = gate2.ny.us.ibm.com (198.133.22.19) |
Posted by Bubba2 on September 12, 1997 at 14:33:45 PDT > One ton seems like super strength to me, instead of human max Doc, I agree with you on this one. It seems to me that Cap's limit should end somewhere in the 700's or so (and THAT'S benchpress!). Now, I don't know what Cap's real limits are, but I don't think he can lift trucks or tanks. He might be able to toss people around pretty easy, but I don't see him regularly breaking chains and bending jail bars, if you know what I mean. A skeptical Bubba
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Posted by The Real Red Skull on September 13, 1997 at 05:18:43 PDT
> Two points on this one: > Patriot. Also if I recall the stormtroopers had super-dooper fusion cannons, whips, personal armour etc. But don't forget the Skull has Cap's cloned body, probably just as high a level of tolerance to pain etc. and would use some dirty tricks Cap would never use (there are lots of evil 'killing techniques', gouges, pressure points etc. the skull knows). Also don't forget that crossbones went from a normal human agent into such a highly charged phisique that Daredevil couldn't 'read' his movements (in Streets of Poison). Also don't forget one of the Kingpin's major advantages in melee has always been people underestimating him, just becasue he is so fat. Someone that big who can fight definately has a BIG advantage over someone 'normal' sizde with the same level of skill. "I'm going to stamp out freedom, justice, Democracy, all of your petty ideologies." Host = ppp24.mel.planet.net.au (203.15.90.44) |
Posted by ~Halloween Jack~ on September 13, 1997 at 11:33:12 PDT All: Many of you may have, at one time or another, stumbled over the Message Board of the 2099 UG. Well, if you have, I now invite you, for I think we may have something that you will all be interested in. It's the series of stories coming out in our 2099 UG UNLIMITED, simply known as Captain America 2099 UG "The Legacy." Right now, the second installment, of four, is out at the 2099 UG UNLIMITED, and you can get ahold of the first part by simply contacting me. "The Legacy, Pt. 3" will be out soon, with the 2099 UG UNLIMITED # 3, and will also feature a back-issue section, where you can get copies of America....(don't call him Cap! *grin*) The Captain, as he is sometimes called, may be receiving his own title after his run in the UNLIMITED, and you can be sure to catch him in the upcoming 2099 UG title. . .The Avengers 2099 UG!!! Don't worry, it's not a carbon-copy, for America is the only character in the title to have a present day Marvel counter-part....not to say that it will stay that way! So, if you're intersted, just let me know, and I can help you subscribe, it's free of course, to the 2099 UG, and you can enjoy the various other titles!!! See ya'! ~HJ~ Host = pm3-27.kymtnnet.org (206.101.119.124) |
Posted by Dave Medinnus on September 13, 1997 at 15:59:01 PDT The old Cap poll "Who is your favorite Cap artist" is done, and the new poll "What should happen to the HR Bucky" is up! Come participate! -DM Host = diamondback.commerce.net (205.180.68.53) |
Posted by Doc Pym on September 13, 1997 at 17:34:57 PDT
> The old Cap poll "Who is your favorite Cap artist" is done, and the new poll "What should happen to the HR Bucky" is up! Come participate! Host = mpngate3.ca.us.ibm.com (198.133.29.51) |
Posted by Batroc on September 13, 1997 at 19:33:27 PDT
> Cap's shield withstands a direct hit from Galactus!! There's no way he was holding back as he had just been betrayed by the Surfer. Not only that, but the shield is the only thing left after the devistation of the ultimate nullifier. This helps to prove my theory that the shield is nearly indestructable exept for the most cosmic of beings (Beyonder, Infinity Gems, etc). Please notice I said "This HELPS to prove" my theory and that I know facts from the HR universe are scetchy (there's been a debate over Firelord killing Hulk going on for days at the Hulk board) but it was nice to see the shield once again prevail through adversity. I believe it would take something imensely powerful to destroy this icon due to its history so far and that Magneto wouldn't have a chance of damaging it. It's nice to see Jim Lee agrees with me. I say Jim Lee as he was ultimately in charge and that traitorous Loeb only wrote it. Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
Posted by Doc Pym on September 13, 1997 at 20:23:05 PDT This situation has always annoyed me a bit. In a old New Mutants issue by Claremont. The Avengers attack Magneto at the Mass. Academy (issue40?) Anyway it was pretty awesome, but Magneto couldnt conrol Cap's shield with his magnetism due to its unique properties. Well in one of the Cap issues he fights a robotic Magneto built by the Machinesmith, well the robot imposter easily magnetizes the shield? Whats up with that. I'm sure magnetism doesnt affect the shield but just in case does anyone know? Thanks Doc Pym Host = mpngate3.ca.us.ibm.com (198.133.29.51) |
Posted by Batroc on September 14, 1997 at 06:39:43 PDT
> This situation has always annoyed me a bit. In a old New Mutants issue by Claremont. The Avengers attack Magneto at the Mass. Academy (issue40?) Anyway it was pretty awesome, but Magneto couldnt conrol Cap's shield with his magnetism due to its unique properties. Well in one of the Cap issues he fights a robotic Magneto built by the Machinesmith, well the robot imposter easily magnetizes the shield? Whats up with that. I'm sure magnetism doesnt affect the shield but just in case does anyone know? Thanks Doc Pym Host = ten1.ten.k12.tn.us (206.23.236.1) |
Posted by Rimes on September 14, 1997 at 11:20:45 PDT
Just a note that there is a thread about the new issue of Cap on Alan's Fantastic Four message board. You can get to the board by rob Host = i275.driveninc.com (207.142.98.75) |
Posted by Ulti-Matt! on September 14, 1997 at 20:17:10 PDT > The old Cap poll "Who is your favorite Cap artist" is done, and the new poll "What should happen to the HR Bucky" is up! Come participate! Your server was screwed up, so I couldn't weigh in. I'll try again later. Ulti-Matt!, screwed Host = ul3115-ak.ulib.iupui.edu (134.68.161.23) |