Who
are you all and what do you play?
Kevin: My
name’s Kevin and I play Bass Guitar. Max: I’m Max and I play guitar. Greg:
Greg, Drums. Johnny: Johnny, Vocals. Darius: Darius, Guitar.
How
old are you guys?
Kevin: I’m
gonna be thirty in December. Max: I’m going to be thirteen in June. Greg:
26. Johnny: 29. Darius: 25.
How
long have you guys been together?
“The first
party we ever played was about 8 years ago, but with this line up, 4 years.”
“92, basically.”
You
guys have a new album out called, “A Juvenile Product of the Working Class.”
on Fat Wreck Chords. Do you think this is as good or better then your last
album on New Red Archives, and why?
“I think;
the sound wise, it’s better, because we recorded it the way we really wanted
to record, initially. Like with the New Red Archives one, we went
into this place and did it on ADAT. Which, we kinda don’t like it too much
and we did this record ANALOG and so it’s got a bigger, beefier sound.
But, there’s good things about both records. I mean, this is a lot newer
material, that record most of the songs were written years ago for “Streets...”
and so it’s kinda neat. I don’t know, it’s the new record, so I’m really
into it, right now.”
“Plus, we
had better equipment, too. So, that made the new record sound better.”
“We could
play a little better.”
“A little
better.”
“But, you
know it’s hard to say things like that. Because I mean, Streets of San
of Francisco was that and a different kind of sound and everything. I’d
hate to say like ones, better then the other. There’s just different qualities
about each.”
“As for the
style or whatever, we didn’t totally branch out or anything. I think it’s
a little bit more varied then the last record but basically, the same of
kind of stuff but it sounds better. It’s a really good thing.” [Everyone
chuckles]
So,
What was the reason you changed from New Red Archives to Fat Wreck Chords?
“I wouldn’t
say we changed. We just moved on.”
“New Red
Archives is really fucking cool, but they can only do so much basically.’’
“Really small.”
“Money was
maybe a little bit of a problem; Distribution and Fat is everywhere and
it’s a bigger label, so it’s better for us basically.”
[Something
about Nicky]
“When we
first signed to New Red, he was like most bands just use us as a stepping
stone. I mean, the idea is to keep expanding and growing you know and one
of the ways we wanted to grow was to get our records to more places. Fat
is really good at running ADs and really good about setting up interviews.
It’s alot more organized and it takes alot of the weight off of the bands
shoulders as far as like the smaller more label orientated things. We were
doing alot with New Red trying to help out. At the time we were on New
Red, they didn’t have any touring bands so they weren’t really used to
having a band that was out all the time you know, and we needed tour support.
Ideally, it’s probably the best label for us, out there; of all the labels.
So, we got the label, that we really wanted. It was cool.”
How
many records have you guys put out?
“This is
our second LP”
“And, we
have a 9 song - 10 inch that came out a few years ago. But, this is like
our second legitimate LP and we have a lot of singles.”
“All of the
earlier material has been consolidated onto a record called “More Scared...”
that was put out by Side One. So, that’s pretty much everything; besides
these two albums. Then there’s an EP that’s floating around, but right
now it’s not out. It’ll probably come out down the road at some point.”
Is
that the CD-EP?
“Yeah, on
IFA.”
“It’s switched;
it’s not on IFA anymore. New Red owns it. I don’t know, what they’re going
to do with it. They might put it out. Apparently, I heard they might try
and sell it. So, we don’t know, what’s happening with it right now. Basically,
we’re mainly concerned with `A Juvenile Product...’
Do
you guys like this record, alot?
“Fuck yeah.”
“Yeah, totally.”
“We spent
alot of time on it and it was good.”
“It’s a learning
experience, to have alot of time. Because, the last one, god I don’t know.
I think recording the actual music was five days and with this one we had
two weeks or something. So, we had alot more time.”
“But, even
then... There was complications during this record recording. We didn’t
really have the time we were hoping to have. We were kinda cut short on
this album to. So, the next record ideally, we’ll take even more time trying
to do it, properly.”
“Alot less
troubles.”
“We’re not
ever going to be one of those bands that goes in and takes months to record
their album just because it sounds lame. After a certain point you just
start messing with what you’ve already done, and your never going to get
it any better. Ideally, we just want to keep it short and sweet when we’re
in the studio. But, there’s a certain amount of time you need to like get
the sounds. Like that can take a long time.”
“Somethings
a little out of tune. You want to be able to like go, let’s do it all over.
Because, that’s what happened with my bass on this last record. I recorded
like 12 tracks and it was like I think it’s a little of tune and my bass
just started fucking up. It took me several days to get them all down,
the way that they should be. We wouldn’t of had as much time; and the bass
would of been out of tune on the record. We may not of noticed it when
we were recording, but when you get the product home and listen to it.”
“Yeah, we
had a really, really good engineer and co-producer and Ryan Green. Ryan
and Mike produced the record, so they were together and Ryan was doing
all the engineering with Eric Dodd. Those two guys, they engineered the
record and they did a really good job. They took the time, and had a really
good ear. Like the bass stuff, we couldn’t tell it was out of tune. But,
his neck was warped.”
“Yeah. And,
I mean it was pissing me off, but I still had to go in and do it, over
and over. And, I’m glad I did, but at the time it was really annoying.”
Who
writes the songs?
“We all do,
but Darius probably writes the most. These two write most of the actual
lyrics on this last record.”
“We all contribute
musically, Darius writes the most. But, everybody has a couple songs on
the record atleast and we all do the arrangement together.”
How’s
your tour going?
“Great.”
“Lunachicks
rule. We’ve been having a killer time with them. Like this is their first
time seeing us, and this is our first time seeing them. When we did our
first show together, we really clicked. Before that we did the south of
the US with the Queers.”
“That was
great.”
“Now we’re
about to do the US with the Descendants.”
“I’m sure
that’ll fucking rock.”
“Naww, it’s
gonna suck. (sarcastically)”
“I don’t
think anybodys gonna go.”
“Naw, it’ll
be killer.”
“Naww, it’s
going to rule.”
When’s
your tour over?
“Christmas.”
Christmas
present.
“Yeah, no
kidding.”
“We have
a week break... In a few days, like 5 days or something; we’ll be off for
like a week, then we’ll take off again.”
“Then after
that we have a month, and then we’ll probably go back out on the road again.
we’re going to try and tour the hell out of this record as usual. Which
is what we always do, try to goto Europe. We’ve done Europe before, try
goto Europe again, try to do a place we haven’t toured before. Like...”
“Japan.”
“Japan, Australia,
New Zealand, South America... Any places basically, that will let us play,
we’ll go.”
“Guam, Hawaii,
Turkey...”
How
about Iceland?
“Iceland?
Fuck yeah. I’ll go.”
“Greenland.”
“Antartic.
I’ll go.”
“Anywhere.”
“Basically,
just try and use the bands vehicle to see the world. I mean, it’s a great
way to do it.”
What
do you think about what’s going on with ABC No Rio at this time?
“I think
it’s basically the same thing, that’s been going on with ABC NO RIO. I’m
not sure if there’s new news about it. When we were there last it was still
open.”
I
heard it was closed, wait a minute; No, I heard it was open.
“I think
they did a show when we were in New York.”
“Yeah, Citizen
Fish was going to play.”
“I don’t
know, it is one of those things; any other punk place all over the country.”
“It’s always
sketchy...”
“Yeah, if
it’s run by punks and it’s done real DIY, then you run the risk of getting
closed down constantly, people trying to close you down. And, that’s basically
what has been going on there since they opened up. It’s a cool place, it’s
teeny. I don’t know if you’ve ever been there, but it’s really, really
small. We played there and it was awesome.”
“It’s a little
basement basically.”
“We played
there with Chaos U.K. and it was like a hundred people maybe could fit
in there.”
“It’s not
much bigger then this room...”
“Lower ceilings...”
“The only
thing that’s kinda a draw back is that, you couldn’t get that many people
in there to see the bands. Like there must of been atleast 300 people that
could not get in to see the show. Because, of how small the place is. But,
it’s cool, I mean whatever. It’s like the east coast gilman street, I guess.
Gilman Street is lucky because it’s so out of the way. It’s like in a total
warehouse district.”
“But, they
still get shit, too.”
“They get
shit, but they’re really professionally run. They know what they are doing.
They know how to keep everybody happy. ABC NO RIO seems to be the same
kind of deal, but it’s right smack dab in the middle of lower east side
Manhattann so you got alot of residential people around you, alot of little
stores. Alot of people that can bitch and whine.”
“Everything
around Gilman closes on weekends except for the liquor store up the street.”
“They only
have weekend shows.”
Really?
“Yeah,
that’s it. They only play Friday, Saturday and sometimes Sunday’s.”
Why’s that?
“It’s the
only way they can do that, because no one is open around there, so no one
can bitch.”
“That’s been
the tradition since they’ve been opened.”
“No alcohol
allowed inside, there’s no alcohol allowed on the premises. There’s no
drugs allowed inside.”
There
shouldn’t be any jocks, allowed inside. (Sarcastic)
“There isn’t.”
“They don’t
go to shows.”
“Not really.”
“Although,
I know, last year atleast they were trying to put in a Hothbrow thing across
the street or something, a yuppie bar deal.”
“All the
punks signed petitions to keep it out. If it opens up it could be a big
problem because, Friday and Saturday nights are going to be really busy
and there will be lots of punks out roaming around on the streets and they
will probably will complain.”
“If it opens,
Gilman will be gone.”
It’s
been going on this long, so maybe they won’t.
“Yeah but,
if they’re somewhere across the street. If you fuck with them, they will.
Not even fights, just a bunch of 14 year old punks hanging out, scaring
the yuppies.”
“The city
isn’t going to listen to a bunch of punk rockers. They are going to listen
to someone running a bar.”
“Because
he owns it, and he put alot of money into it.”
“Because,
he can pay more taxes.”
If
you guys sell a few hundred thousand records on Fat Wreck or whatever -
Will you guys give some of that money back to the punk scene and if so,
where will you give it and why?
“I know Fat
donates alot to Food Not Bombs, so that’s already covered. I don’t think,
we’re going to sell hundred’s of thousands of records on Fat because they
haven’t even really done that with anyone yet.”
“I think
any band, if you’re a punk band you inevitably give tons back, the bigger
you get you’re going to give money back to the punk scene. Just like Green
Day, Rancid - and all those bands, have given tons of money back to the
punk scene by just helping the labels expand. Say we sell; two hundred
thousand copies of this record on Fat Wreck Chords. It has a huge trickle
down theory.”
“Chain reaction.”
“Yeah. Because
of us gaining fame through Fat let’s say, this is all hypothetical obviously.
Our back catalog - our old record on New Red is going to start selling
a hell of a lot more, so New Red’s going to have alot more money and they’re
the smaller label. They’re going to be able to start signing alot more
new bands - Promoting those bands better. Those bands in affect will start
to get a little bigger. You know, It all kind of goes back, you can hire
your friends to work for you, the more money your making, the more friends
you can hire. The more money the label’s make the more money they
can spend on ADs which has an affect on the ‘zines, because the ‘zines
get paid more money for the ADs. So, ‘zines will expand. That means there
will be more coverage for punk bands in the ‘zines. I mean it’s like the
better bands do the more money that is just going to go back into the scene.
It can’t help it self, you know”
“That’s like
what happened to Lookout.”
“Yeah, Lookout
before Green Day it was just a tiny little label. It had good bands, but
wasn’t making that much money. Then Green Day start selling a ton of records,
then they make a ton of money. Lookout, boom they’re huge; they have tons
of money, they sign tons of new bands. They’re way better at taking care
of the bands on the road, Distribution, making ADs. Same with Fat. Fat
has just been really lucky and totally lucky since it started, so they
have money to make sure the band’s are doing well. The better the bands
do, the longer they will stay together to; is another thing. Alot of bands
break up just because they can’t afford it. It’s really expensive, being
in a punk band basically.”
Yeah,
doing it yourself, with your own money.
“Right. Even
now, even when it’s like Fat will spring alot of money in advance so that
we can take care of things.”
“That’s money
for borrowing.”
“Yeah, boom
it’s gone. You wouldn’t believe how expensive everything is. New Gear,
studio costs, vans, trying to eat, take care of yourself. Limo’s, Planes.
Gas for planes is really expensive.”
“Chicks.”
“All those
designer drugs.”
“Whores.”
“Expensive
women.”
“Designer
drugs? (laugh)”
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