from an alt.pagan post, 5/95
As a Society sensitive to the intentions and actions of the Founding Fathers, perhaps we should refresh ourselves as to their actual points of view on the issue of religion:
Most importantly, of course, the US Constitution explicitly forbade Congress to create or in any way provide for an establishment of religion. During the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, a motion to pray collectively was voted down. Benjamin Franklin noted that there were only two or three besides himself who wanted to open with prayers.
Ironically, Franklin himself, during his time in England, had been a member of Sir Francis Dashwoods infamous Hell-Fire Club, summarized by Daniel Mannix as "an association dedicated to Black Magic, sexual orgies, and political conspiracies." Adds Mannix: "Franklin was able to meet the Hell-Fire Club on its own ground. As far as any abhorrence of the Black Mass went, Ben announced that he did not believe in the immortality of the soul and he considered evil permissible, since God had created things and so had presumably created evil also. Even when he was an old man of 84, Franklin wrote to Ezra Stiles, the president of Yale, saying he doubted the divinity of Christ although he believed in his moral teachings."
George Washington, a professed Deist, refused either to take communion or to kneel in church. Pictures that show him kneeling at Valley Forge have nothing more than an artists imagination behind them. (Deists believe that a God created the laws of nature but exercised no control over the subsequent evolution of those laws, including the appearance of humanity.)
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity," said John Adams, a very anti-dogmatic Unitarian. He once speculated, "This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it." Adams was the second US president (1797-1801).
In 1802 Thomas Jefferson made the Founders concept of the First Amendment even more explicit, writing that its intent was to build "a wall of separation between church and state," adding that "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." During the eight years of his Presidency, Jefferson refused to issue a Thanksgiving proclamation. "I consider the Government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution of the Untied States from meddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline or exercises, " he explained in a letter to the Rev. Mr. Miller. Needless to say, Jefferson was hated by the devout from his home state of Virginia, and they even referred to him as the "Anti-Christ!"
Jefferson was sickened by the antics of the dominant Anglican church which used its "bully pulpit" to push forward civil laws to punish Protestants and other non-believers who would not conform to their narrow mandate. (Sound familiar?) Jefferson declared, "The Christian God...is cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust." He then proceeded to compose his own Bible...a "kinder and gentler" version with less fire and brimstone -- he began to rip the pages out of his own Holy Bible, and pasted the paragraphs he agreed with into a notebook. In between he penned in his own remarks for future generations to see. (Not so long ago, Barnes & Noble bookstore sold "The Jefferson Bible" via mail-order.)
Thomas Jefferson, above all, approached dogma with a healthy dose of skepticism. Said he, "Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies." Many of us will remember Jefferson as the man who drafted the United States Constitution...
Now that weve mentioned our first three presidents, its time to proceed with the fourth...James Madison. He was very caustic in his remarks regarding religion; "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution." Madison added, "In no instance have...the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people."
It must be remembered that the Founding Fathers did NOT put "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance or "In God We Trust" on US currency. "Under God" was added to the Pledge by an act of Congress in 1954, during the McCarthy "communist witch hunt" hysteria. "In God We Trust" began to appear on coins in 1864 and became the official motto of the United States only in 1956. The motto conceived by the Founding Fathers was "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many, One).
"When a Religion is good, I concieve it will support itself; and when it does not
support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its Professors are
obliged to call for help of the Civil Power, it
is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one".
Benjamin Franklin
(from a letter to Richard Price
October 9, 1780
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman
church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, nor by any church that I know
of...Each of these churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I
disbelieve them all".
Thomas Paine
The Age of Reason, 1794-1795
"Is uniformity attainable? Milions of innocent men, women and children, since the
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have
not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the affect of coercion? To make
one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites to support rogery and error all
over the earth".
Thomas Jefferson
(notes on Virginia, 1782)
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been
on trial. What have been it's fruits? More os less, in all places, pride and indolence in
the Clergy; ignorance and severity in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and
perecution".
James Madison
(Memorial and Remonstration Against Religious Assessments, 1785)
"Where do we find a precept in the bible for Creeds, confessions, Doctrines, and
Oathe, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion to be encumbered with in
these days"?
John Adams
"Wherever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and
tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible
is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon, that the word
of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize
mankind".
Thomas Paine
(The Age of Reason, 1794- 1795)
"Every man ought to be protected in worshipping the Diety according to his own
conscience".
George Washington
(Letter to the United Baptist Churches in Virginia, in May 1789)
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god".
Thomas Jefferson
(letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)
"That religion, or the duty we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging
it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore
all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates
of conscience".
Patrick Henry
(Virginia Bill of Rights
June 12, 1776)