From: Maxine Westland
Here's a great article for every WLS pre-op with Obstructive Sleep Apnea.
This article also contains good information for all pre-operative patients.
Anesthesia and the apnea patient.
Dr. John Palmeri, M.D., an anesthesiologist who practices at Central DuPage
Hospital explained some important considerations for sleep apnea patients
undergoing surgical or medical procedures involving anesthesia. This report is
adapted with permission from an article published in the monthly newsletter of
the A.W.A.K. E. group of Elk Grove Village, Illinois. The article was prepared
by Dave Hargett, the newsletter editor and moderator for that group. Dave is
very active in national and regional efforts to educate people about sleep
apnea and is an active participant in an online support group, in addition to
his local duties. The Newsletter of the Elk Grove Village A.W.A.K.E. group is
informative and lively and demonstrates that members receive worthwhile and
varied education and support activities. (The editor)
Our program for the evening was presented by Dr. John Palmeri, an
anesthesiologist who practices at Central DuPage Hospital. Dr. Stuart
Morgenstein, an ENT specialist who works with our group, recruited Dr. Palmeri
to speak after receiving a letter from Dave Hargett. Dave asked several
questions about anesthesia and how it impacts the apnea patient. The focus of
Dr. Palmeri's talk was to address these questions.
Dr. Morgenstein took the podium to introduce our speaker.
How can anesthesia impact a person with sleep apnea?
The purpose of anesthesia is to keep you comfortable during an otherwise
noxious procedure -- surgery hurts. The anesthesiologist is there to guarantee
your safety and protection during the procedure.
He is also responsible for monitoring your vital signs, heart rate,
respiratory rate, oxygen saturation level, and your blood pressure.
Depending on where the surgery is and the type of surgery, there are different
ways to achieve the goal of keeping you comfortable. The most common is
general anesthesia, which is a means to render the patient unconscious, so
that you don't react to or feel your surgery.
The usual procedure is to get you off to sleep with intravenous drugs of a
sedative nature. Then you are kept asleep with inhaled gases, administered
through a mask over your nose and mouth, or occasionally through an
endotracheal tube inserted through the mouth and into the windpipe.
However, it is not always necessary to put you to sleep, depending on the
surgery. (Normal sleep is very different from the 'sleep' induced by
anesthesia, which is more like a coma. Ed) Frequently, the anesthesiologist
just provides sedation to keep you comfortable. For example, with a peripheral
procedure or a superficial one, the surgeon can apply local anesthesia to the
surgical area so that you can't feel what the surgeon is doing.
The anesthesiologist can then provide sedation so that you're not so aware of
what's going on.
Sedation increases the risk of obstruction, especially for people who have
sleep apnea.
Regional anesthesia.
Narcotics.
Spinal or epidural anesthesia.
There are risks and benefits in anything you do and in any choices you make,
but you can have some control in determining the type of anesthesia depending
on the type of surgery.
The anesthesiologist will try to get a thorough history and do a physical exam
before the surgery. In many patients, difficulty with the airway will be
detected through this exam. But if you already know about it, such as us OSA
patients, be pro-active and raise the issue. Sleep apnea patients often have
more difficulty with their airway. It is the anesthesiologist's job to help
you breathe while asleep, either with the face mask or the tube. Placing the
endotracheal tube into the windpipe can be more difficult with OSA patients,
so it is valuable to know this ahead of time to help with selecting the right
equipment and strategies.
Using your CPAP while in hospital.
Elton Monken raised an issue about the use of his Bi-Pap machine in the
hospital after some recent surgery, where the hospital engineering staff came
up and inspected his machine in the middle of the night. Dr. Morgenstein
pointed out that this is required by the Joint Commission on Hospital
Accreditation. He suggested that if we take our CPAP machines to the hospital
for possible use, we should ask that they be inspected as soon as possible, so
that there is no problem when we want to use them. It is also probably a good
idea to have a copy of the prescription covering your prescribed pressure.
Dr. Palmeri also indicated that there are some drugs that they use that can
erase memory from the time they are given to you. While under the influence,
the patient can have lucid conversations but later have absolutely no recall
whatsoever. The patient may think that they were "put under" but they may not
have been. (Both Dave Hargett and John Angel described surgeries where such
drugs might have been used on them.) However, there is still a need to be
careful with sleep apnea patients, as there are differences in tolerance
levels among patients.
After surgery.
More about epidural anesthesia--how it works and use after surgery.
While many people don't like the idea of having a needle inserted into their
back, and many have a fear of paralysis, nerve damage from this type of
procedure is actually extremely rare. It is a really practical and safe way to
have anesthesia for many procedures. But it does require cooperation from the
patient, as the patient is usually awake and aware of what is going on.
Other types of surgery.
Some of the new minimally invasive surgeries, where there is no major
incision, such as laparascopic hernia repairs, gall bladder surgeries, etc.,
actually require general anesthesia and intubation because of the way the
surgery changes the physiology of the diaphragm and the lungs.
Emergency situations.
Summary:
Avoid general anesthesia if you can.
This is a patient's recollection (aided by a tape recorder) of the talk given
to the members of the Elk Grove Village A.W.A.K.E. group on the topic of
"Anesthesia and the Apnea Patient". The information is presented here as
general background for sleep apnea patients prior to undergoing any surgical
or medical procedure requiring anesthesia, but should not be construed as
medical advice, since the writer is a sleep apnea patient with no medical
degree.
For comments, or to connect with the
Elk Grove Village, Illinois A.W.A.K.E. Group,
write to Dave Hargett.
Phantom of the Night includes additional information about dealing with the
risks of anesthesia and medical procedures including forms for identification
of the apnea patient and information to share with your physician and
anesthesiologist.
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Daryl Davidson
Dave Hargett
Dr. Morgenstein also introduced Dr. Greg Dauber, an oral surgeon, who often works as a "team"
member in conjunction with Dr. Hart, Dr. Morgenstein and Dr. Palmeri where
surgery is deemed necessary on a sleep apnea patient. Dr. Morgenstein also
commented that getting an anesthesiologist to speak isn't easy. They're all
very busy people, but he was able to get his first choice to agree to speak to
us. Dr. John Palmeri is a member of the Department of Anesthesiology at
Central Dupage Hospital, a very talented and gifted anesthesiologist and a
caring and committed physician. He also told us that he had warned Dr. Palmeri
that we were a sophisticated, aggressive audience.
What is the job of the anesthesiologist?
Providing sedation to any patient, though, usually causes some relaxation of
the musculature of the pharynx and throat and can cause obstruction. Patients
with obstructive sleep apnea tend to be more sensitive to what would otherwise
be nonobstructive doses of drugs. It's important for the anesthesiologist to
know that you have obstructive sleep apnea (OSA). That's a risk that he should
be aware of.
Another way to provide comfort during surgery is regional anesthesia,
especially for extremities like arms and legs, and some abdominal procedures.
Parts of the body can be numbed without giving any centrally acting drugs.
Normally narcotics are used to relieve pain. Narcotics suppress everyone's
drive to breathe. If one has a lower respiratory drive to begin with,
narcotics can make that even more dramatic. By numbing just the part of the
body being operated on, there is no need to give centrally acting drugs.
The most common ways to give regional anesthesia are the "spinal" or the
"epidural". Epidural is quite often used to relieve the pain of labor. Many
surgeries below the ribcage can be done with epidural. For patients with sleep
apnea, this is an especially nice way to work, because it provides comfort and
safety without affecting the respiratory drive or the musculature of the
pharynx. On the other hand, it does require more cooperation from the patient,
as you will be more aware of what's going on. You might hear the pounding of a
hammer or the powering up of a drill, for example. While this might be
unpleasant, it is an option.
Talking with the anesthesiologist.
Not all anesthesiologists are as sensitive to or aware of the problems
associated with sleep apnea patients. Dr. Palmeri urged all of us to make
contact with the anesthesiologist before surgery, preferably a day or two
before. Sometimes it isn't practical to meet with the specific
anesthesiologist, because the schedule might not be set, but most
anesthesiology departments will have someone talk to you about your options
and your concerns. Otherwise, it is quite likely (especially with the large
number of outpatient or same day surgeries being done today) that you will not
meet the anesthesiologist until right before the operation. Working with the
anesthesiologist ahead of time lets him try to come up with a plan for
attacking your comfort and safety relative to pre-existing problems such as
OSA.
Bringing the CPAP to the hospital is an issue Dave asked about. Dr. Palmeri
said there was nothing to be lost by doing this, but he saw less need for this
for same day surgery compared to surgery that involved an overnight stay.
Typically the patient goes from surgery to the recovery room where he/she is
closely observed. Problems there are easily handled. However, once back in the
hospital room, the vigilance and monitoring is less intense. Having your CPAP
there may be useful. He indicated that he had never had a patient use CPAP
while in the recovery room. (In later discussion, Dr. Hart indicated that he
felt strongly that there should be use of the CPAP in the recovery room.)
The relief of pain after surgery should also be a concern to us sleep apnea
patients. In dealing with post-surgical pain, the most common drugs used are
narcotics, either through an IV or a shot. These can be a threat to sleep
apnea patients by depressing the drive to breathe. Epidural post-surgical
anesthesia can help.
He described epidural anesthesia in more detail. The spinal cord is a cord
surrounded by a sac of fluid, and the nerves of the spinal cord come down the
midline and at different levels branch out. With epidural anesthesia, a thin,
plastic tube called a catheter is inserted through the back, near the spinal
cord, and local anesthetic (similar to those used by dentists) is administered
to those nerves, blocking the pain. An epidural doesn't actually puncture the
sac of fluid surrounding the spinal cord. It sits outside and applies the
drugs to nerves as they come out of the spinal cord. This enables the
anesthesiologist to numb different parts of the body, usually the lower half.
This is normally used for surgery, but once in place can also be used to
control post-surgical pain by continuing to administer more dilute solutions
of drugs, while avoiding the use of IV drugs that act on the entire body. An
epidural is often favored during childbirth because it avoids providing drugs
to the baby. A "spinal is usually a one shot deal. The needle goes deeper,
drugs are administered, and then the needle comes out. These drugs usually
last up to 12 hours.
Surgery above the ribcage almost always requires a general anesthetic.
Since there is always the possibility that the sleep apnea patient could be
brought into an emergency room and need surgery, when the patient is
unconscious and no one knows about the patient's apnea, the use of a Medic
Alert or similar medical warning bracelet or necklace is probably a good idea.
Talk to your anesthesiologist ahead of time. While the final choice of the
type of anesthesia will be a team decision between the patient, surgeon and
anesthesiologist, and will be based on the circumstances; the patient can have
some control over the choice.
Avoid the use of narcotics if possible.
Take your CPAP and prescription to the hospital when you have surgery.
Have your CPAP inspected by the hospital engineering staff if you anticipate
using it.
Used with permission of Dave Hargett.
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