From:   "greenspj" <greenspj@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:   lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
To:   lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject:   [lpaz-discuss] Re: Thought on Federal I.D. and Prop 200
Date:   Fri 09/03/04 10:29 AM 
 
Immigration identification?

BS.

Federal postive identification is ALREADY required for the DL.  
Therefore, the DL is a national id RIGHT NOW.

In fact, it was Rep. Pearce who oversaw implementation of federal id 
standards into the AZ DL when they were still OPTIONAL for states.

Hence, if prop 200 passes you WILL BE REQUIRED to present NATIONAL ID 
(a DL or passport) to vote or obtain socialist benefits.

I couldn't care less if this were a requirement for illegals.  But it 
is harassment of citizens and a presumption that a citizen is lying 
and needs to prove his/her innocence.

1) there is a ZERO cost solution to catching 80% of perpetrators 
without needing a national ID.  That's good enough for me.

2) I can demonstrate in the black and white of the prop that it 
SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES use of a national id.

3) I can demonstrate that the AZ DL is, in fact, a national id.

This is the one and ONLY reason I oppose the prop.



--- In lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com, John Wilde <rsrchsoc@i...> wrote:
> So too with the Driver's license.  Although there is an interesting 
case 
> pending in the Court of Appeals that could give the gummy boys some 
> indigestion.  The federal agency (Child Support Division of the 
> Department of Health and Human Services) that enforces the SSN 
> requirement has issued a memorandum that if the person doesn't have 
a 
> SSN then an affidavit to that effect will satisfy the requirement.  
> Several states have already codified that into their laws.  Arizona 
> hasn't, but it looks like the Arizona Courts are ready to follow 
that 
> policy.
> 
> g'day
> John Wilde
> 
> C. D. Tavares wrote:
> 
> > At 10:28 PM -0400 9/2/04, freemanaz@a... wrote:
> >
> > >     If Public Benefit is found by a Court to not be limited to the 
> > programs
> > > enumerated in Title 46, many of us believe that  will be the case, then
> > > Federal verification of a Citizens Immigration Status will be 
> > required for a
> > > Library Card, a Building Permit, a Hunting License, a Fishing 
> > License, and
> > > every other conceivable Government regulated human activity.
> > >
> > >     Alfredo Guttierrez
> >
> > What does he mean, "will" be?
> >
> > Arizona hunting and fishing licenses already require your SSN, and the
> > federal government demands the state check your name against the "deadbeat
> > dad" database before Arizona can issue them.
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