From: "greenspj" <greenspj@yahoo.com> Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lpaz-discuss] Re: Prop 200 acknowledges and REQUIRES a national ID Date: Tue 09/07/04 05:05 PM The federal law that established the NAtional Drivers Registry passed in 1995, effective Oct 1, 1996, which ALSO created the national identification standards contained an OPTIONAL program for the states. If states complied with the national NTHSB and aamva.org DL standards they got, I think it was $5 million. (Pearce sold our heritage so our state could get a mess of federal pottage.) These standards became MANDATORY for all states on Oct 1, 2001. Between 1995 and Oct 1, 2001 in AZ they got your SSN other ways. You didn't HAVE to provide it, but there was a blank on the form for it. Many gave it up. They cross referenced with SSA and added the SSN to DLs on a positive match. Any state records that contained your SSN where there was a positive match to a DL app, got the SSN added to the DL. The reason many say in their experience they never gave the SSN was that it was obtained via other means. Also, when you move states now and turn in your old DL, you do not have to regive your SSN. Why? It's in the NAtional Drivers Registry. Say you lost your DL (if you move states) when you apply for a new one and that you wont reveal your SSN. They get so nervous, as they are warned against "agitators" like you" they are nervously pressing the button under the desk for security. Rest assured, everyone in AZ now has SSN on their DL file, though it may not show on the front of the card. And those DLs comply with federal national id standards and National Drivers Registry data exchange formats. Ever wonder why and when the 30 year DLs came into existance? Only when they positively id'd you according to national id standards. --- In lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "C. D. Tavares" <Tavares@a...> wrote: > I'd like to know how, since Arizona didn't even ask you for your SSN until > late 2000, possibly early 2001. > At 2:52 PM -0700 9/7/04, Jeff Greenspan wrote: > > http://www.pan2004.org/docs/initiative_petition.pdf > > line 12, page 3 (Section 4.F.1.) > > > > "LICENSE ISSUED *AFTER* OCTOBER 1, 1996" > > > > Why is that date significant? > > > > Well, Pearce oversaw the implementation of optional (on Oct 1, 2001, > > they became mandatory) NTHBS (federal) "recommended" identification > > standards for states' DLs. > > > > In (I forget the federal Act name) 1995, the National Drivers Registry > > came into existance (always legally Oct 1 of the NEXT year) along with > > the NTHSB national id standards. > > > > Therefore, in Arizona, as of Oct 1, 1996 all DLs and DMV IDs issued > > a) conformed to national ID standards layed out by the feds > > b) were entered into the national drivers registry > > c) are linked to your SSN > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/JdSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Community Web Page: http://groups.yahoo.com/community/lpaz-discuss Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpaz-discuss/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lpaz-discuss-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/