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whey is a bit tricky because it promotes intestinal biofilm and yeast, i have dropped it entirely and am relying on drinking warm goats milk and taking the houstonni peptizyde enzyme afterwards to get the wanted fractions in the milk whey, the houstonni peptizyde   enzymes   also help digest the milk.

the indigestible components of whey are not just lactose, but some proteins as well and to date i have not seen any processed whey product that addresses this sufficiently

body builders are a mass of biofilm toxin issues, they have a curious blend of gender blurring and health issues, having the the female display aspect and needing the exercise and consequent growth hormone and immune system stimulation, and yet shall we say, have a certain male simplicity in their outlook on life

if you are myeloproliferative (too many red and other blood cells), and are already taking whey and find it helps (whey promotes glutathione?), you would be better off moving to the  dual seleniums  ( and balancing iodine) and dropping the whey because whey is so strongly biofilm feeding

this is to ensure you get the necessary methylselenocysteine to promote the anti-oxidant glutathione which helps to stop the haemoglobin from oxidising



a fundamental difference of biofilm scd from btvc scd is that btvc scd rigourously excludes whey but biofilm scd, while recognising the role whey has in promoting bad gut flora and yeast, attempts to accomodate some dietary inclusion to meet the bodies need for the branched chain amino acids and cysteine that whey provides

it is not possible to continuously take whey as the biofilm/yeast does gain the upper hand within a week of taking, and has to be dropped off when signs of yeast appear

whey is provided by milk and whey supplements, it is not provided adequately by cheeses or yogurts.

with cheese, whey is the clear fluid separated and removed by enzymatic action(rennet) as part of the cheese making process and with yogurts and fermented dairy, the bacteria get the first shot at the needed compounds

I put 1/2 a teaspoon of plain un-denatured whey in a glass, then pour i a bit of vinegar and mix it up, then let it stand dor a while to denature it a bit.

at the same time i have heated up some water to boiling and mixed two teaspoons of gelatine in and then when it has cooled a tad, put in the juice of one freshly squeezed lemon, so that the temperature after pouring in is about 58C/137F which pasturises the lemon juice somewhat without destroying too much of the vitamin c

i then add some goats milk powder to the whey/vinegar mix, adding a bit more white vinegar in as well

then pour in the lemon juice/gelatine/water mix and add some cream

i make enough of the water mix so that there quite a bit left over and drink that separately

i don't supplement cysteine/cystine but try to get it in dairy

J asks:

Andrew- What improves cysteine? What types of foods? What types of supplements? I recall that this was low on a plasma amino acid test my daughter had. Not sure if that is significant. She was having dairy at the time in her diet so even with it in her diet something was not working. I saw your comment about this and was curious.

my reply:

its in whey and milk, not cheese and perhaps not much in yogurt because the bacteria may metabolise it

scd is a low cysteine diet and its a fundamental flaw with it, but digesting whey is anajor issue

b6 and magnesium amplify the conversion of methionine to cysteine

perhaps a reason why bernie rimland developed nuthera

i am not settled on a suitable whey, its such a difficult issue

i use plain whey (soland and lotus brands australia and new zealand)

whey though not as fragile as milk powder should not be purchased from open to the air bulk style bins but in airtight sealed packages and when opened stored in an airtight container in the fridge.

immunocal is good but seems to run into yeast issues after a couple of weeks.

the jay robb plain  whey  protien powder was used by several mothers on autism-mercury, but whey seems to have been dropped as a commonly promoted supplement there, presumably because of promoting biofilm growth and chelators accelerate biofilm issues as it is.

how biofilm feeding the jay rob product is, i don't know



i either make a curds and whey drink which is to heat milk up to about 63C/146F, stir in a houstonni pep enzyme until thick curds form, and then stir in juice freshly squeezed from a decent lemon and might add in some thick cream as well


alternatively and this is what i do most of the time make up a powdered goats milk with whey, putting in 1/4 to 1/2 a teaspoon fo whey then mixing soem white vinegar in to help denature the the plain whey

and drink and eat that, for people with an impaired digestion, another pep after eating/drinking that may be necessary

for about one and a half cups of water (for one person), i heat it up until almost boiling and mix in a teaspoon of gelatine

in a seperate tall glass i put in a half level teaspoon of plain whey and then mix some vinegar to denature it a bit and this is been left while the water is heated and the gelatin mixed in

also squeeze a lemon into the gletaine and water when the temp is say 70C/158F and maybe some cream, or cream can be added later

then i put the goats milk powder into the glass with the whey and vinegar and mix in the gelatin/lemon_juice/water/cream mixture

usually there is quite a bit of the water/gelatine/lemon juice left over after filling the glass and i may drink that separately or mix the glass mixture in with it



whey is the clear fluid that runs off when cheese is made.

it is then dried into a powder, spray dried is best i think since that way the growth factors in the whey are not damaged.

the big problem with whey is that it is high lactose which may be difficult to digest, but i think the effect of the growth factors is so large that they can encourage the intestine to make more enzymes to digest the lactose.

i am taking one superheaped teaspoon of plain whey after say two or three meals a day mixed in warm milk. the milk is heated to about 45C and then just a small bit poured into the cup with the whey powder at the bottom first to help mix it as it tends to form lumps which go straight through the digestive system. plain whey seems to help the heart so be careful to step down the amount over several days if you are dropping it to keep the heart twinges to a minimium.

the big problem is finding a suitable whey i think, i really prefer the unmodifyed plain cheese whey but for lactose intolerance   immunocal   appears to be well tolerated from a mothers report. another mother also reports immunocal is working well. it is expensive however.

most of the whey products on the market are not suitable.   'protiens +'  here  and  here  may be ok but i haven't tried them. they are expensive and may not have as full a complement of all the growth factors of plain whey. the 'proteins +' also has enzymes in that may defeat the purpose of growth factors by denaturing the growth factors.

the problem occurs when for some products they remove wanted growth factors as well as the lactose.

in australia the soland and lotus brands are good (plain whey) and what i use (soland). plain whey should be avaliable from any health store.

whey though not as fragile as milk powder should not be purchased from open to the air bulk style bins but in airtight sealed packages and when opened stored in an airtight container in the fridge.

WHEY PROTOCOL: how i take plain whey

i think it varies summer to winter, in summer with the better food and high sun for skin vitamin d you can tolerate higher amounts of whey, whereas with winter and the decline of foods (especially dairy) and body condition generally over winter less can be tolerated.

so in summer maybe two heaped teaspoons of whey mixed in warm (no higher than 45C to avoid denaturing the whey protiens) milk maybe two times a day. in winter maybe once a day in the morning after a meal. i also may take 1/4 of a tablet of source naturals optizinc after drinking the whey.

it pays to not take whey within three or four hours of bed as this encourages intestinal/stomach yeast and bad bacteria with the longer digestive times and less efficent digestion of sleep. taking plain whey is alsways right at the limits of digestive tolerance so will always be a question of the benefit of its minerals and growth factors versus the pro yeast/bacteria burden.

an enzymesandautism post (21 june 04) titled 'a possible way of tolerating plain whey with peptizyde'

the issue of tolerating plain way may not be lactose in people of european descent but the beta-lactoglobulin. the trouble is you want some of the why protiens intact so it may be better to delay taking a touch of pep for several hours so the other peptides get though intact then take the pep (i just tipped 1/4 of a capsule down the back of the throat)

anyway kirkmans have some info on this with thier product  dairyzimes,  but i actually want the lactose because it is a very good slow release sugar and as far as i can see pep covers the ground pretty well on the peptide front. if you are doing scd you really need that slow release sugar (though whey is scd illegal).

i did try stopping the whey completely but i really seem to need it. interestingly there was a noticable drop off of digestive efficency when i stopped the whey.

a post i made on enzymesandautism :

i had moved up to about four or five heaped teaspoons a day of medium thick whey paste (note: have now changed to a much thinner paste) whereas i was only taking two a day before, one after breakfast and one after lunch and i think i will go back to that.

i pricked my self on a rosehip thorn (my garden is growing rosehips! - yummy straight off the bush when ripe) and the dark blood just stood there in a drop and did not want to move. olive oil helps thin the blood but i think this blood thickening is an upper limit of how much whey you can take. [now think that exercise is more important in keeping the blood slippery and whey making the blood thicker may not be much of an issue.]

so bascially its like optizinc, the amount you need to take for maximuim benefit is too much for a problem in another area like say 30 mg a day of optizinc with me would knock dead any trace of yeast but it depletes to much copper so about 7 - 15 mg works best even though it doesn't quite knock the yeast dead.

the whey appears to make the brain liver and intestinal villi grow ( and muscles) to the point that the more whey you take the more these things happen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, also it appears to detox heavy metals out in sweat,,,,,,,,,,,so its a bit of a nuisance to have an upper limit but taken overall i think there really can be too much, like its fun to flick a chainsaw around like a knife(be very careful with chainsaws, just one touch of the moving chain rips the flesh away into a bad wound) and intimidate shop assistants as they struggle with two hands to give you a heavy grocery bag and just pick it up lightly with one hand.........

but actually it starts to restrict mobility and lightfootedness and those mr. olympia types would be in danger of being mugged by 80 year old grannies imo.

the suprise is that the local plain whey powder in australia here is so potent in such small amounts, really its a supplement and not a food and i was thinking its a food, but reading on   the australian sports drug agency  i would gather that these body building products actually have to have some of these great natural hormones removed to avoid the user testing positive so it just further confirms my feeling about body building products not being suitable and it also shows in the unbalanced and sort of unhealthy look that body builders have, like the muscle is just stuck on and is not a wholesome overall development.

so its just interesting the degree of potency of a heaped teaspoon of whey paste powder............. you are getting a substantial amount of anabolic and androgenic steriods...............

i think a serving of commercial ice cream has about at least 1/2 a teaspoon in which is why ice cream occipies the prominent place in the diet it does.

however between the other crap like colorings flavours and low grade milk processing by products its far better to take the whey separately and use plenty of additive free cream on fruit etc.

the other problem with ice cream and cold drinks is it really retards digestive efficency and imposes a large metabolic load heating it up. i always warm drinks now and there is a noticable improvement in metabolic gain and stomach efficency, if you look at the amount of heat a gas flame has to expend heating it up and realise that the body has to provide that energy through sugars being digested and worked through the metabolic chain then warm food and drinks is an eays way to provid a lot of energy that doesn't put a strain on the digestive system. you need to eat less is another way of putting it.

our digestive systems are not designed to live on food at temps straight from the fridge.

the results from whey have been exceptional to date, it does appear that which product you use is very important, most body building ones may not be suitable, the soland and lotus plain wheys, provided they are in sealed plastic bags and not bulk binned are excellent and likely , although i haven't tried it 'immunocal' is also ok.

whey may have a more benefical effect for women than men. there may be some period of hormonal adjustment for women.

if you are taking a reasonable amount of whey showering several times a day takes advantage of its tendency to detox into sweat.

from a reply on yahoo sulphurstories (18/5/04) titled 'growth and methylation'

the only thing that ever improved my muscle tone was plain whey which has given say an extra 8% in body weight in muscle.

so its the anabolic steriods in whey (as well as the glutamine and branched amino acids and general glutathione support in plain whey) that does this and imo muscle tone and build is the best indicator of overall improvement. a lot of things have to be right to get it.

so basically your sons hormone producing organs which include the pituitary in the brain must be recovering i think.

the snag with whey is it feeds yeast and i have found a complex program of mineral supplementation including zinc is necessary to cope with it. but there is a lactose free whey called immunocal which seems to be well tolerated but is expensive.

these minerals including iodine also promote the thyroid so the mineral supplementation dovetails to solve the problems.

from another reply on yahoo sulphur stories (18/5/04)

however it (whey) is very significant in terms of improvement. oddly women seem to benefit hugely from it. great for trimming up and returning some youthful vigour.

basically its the plain whey and the very high end wheys like immunocal that seem to have the best biological activity, the mid range stuff uses cheaper processes to remove the lactose that also takes the biologically active stuff out

(15 june 04 - mid winter) i think i am going to cut back on the whey, not quite sure yet but its hard to sustain that amount of extra muscle over the poorer condtions of winter i think. expecially with the drop off of dairy quality. i think taking plain whey is always on the edge as it is very intestinal yeast feeding.

"some 17-alpha ankylated oral anabolic steriods speed HDL catabolism in the liver" from a medical column in a body building magazine.

my thoughts:

whey at least has growth factors if not the anabolic steroids themselves so this could be an issue.

 [later]  plain whey seems to be heart friendly to the extent that if you drop whey then you should step down the amount over several days to avoid any heart twinges. so the overall complex of nutrients and growth promotants in whey are helping the heart and circulation in a synergistic way.

i don't think the fats are an issue because you are metabolising them, though trans fats are bad but you shouldn't be getting any of those with a little care, though i would watch oils going off. low myostatin levels may indicate some caution is needed with its possible higher ldl levels.

athletes like women olympic divers who take steroids to reduce body fat may have an issue with this, low fat on the buttocks can be indicative of low myostatin.

just as a side note, once you get an eye for how steriods and growth promotants affect the musculature the amount used in sport is just amazing from rugby league to the tour de france and the olympics.

i think the creams and cheese are an issue that comes in part from the erronous medical focus on reducing ldl but its hdl which is the artery wall scrubber that is the issue.i eat just about nothing except double cream and cheeses and i don't have heart issues, never been better in fact, the difference is australian possum liver and a good running fitness background, and scd. a diet high in scd illegal complex carbs and high in fats is what causes problems i think.

the thing about double creams is you don't need the carbs as much and carbs lower hdl.

aerobic exersise is where its at i think. i think the body makes more hdl with aerobic exerise to scour the arteries to make for better blood flow for the increased metabolism of aerobic exersise. oranges (the flavanoids in it) increase hdl as well. grapefruit increases one of the ldl lowering statins.

a who_knows post (15th august 04) titled 'b vits and whey'

i think whey because it increases the muscle mass really increases the requirement for b vits

i think this is why whey mixed with good quality milk from cows and goats on lush pasture with good sun and warmth works so much better

i haven't had possum liver for a week and am feeling it

its a bit of a catch 22, need more whey but then need more b vits so the amount of whey and b vits have to be a modulation

it like the mag taurate, thats another modulation, you can't have too much so you have to sort of phase it

i think this is moving away from steady state supplementation

even methylselenocysteine i modulate taking more sometimes for anti cancer effects

a who_knows post (25th august 04) titled 'whey and b vits'

the muscle development from whey and perhaps the whey processing itself seems to need huge quanties of b vits.

like eating some really fresh black salmon, it just doesn't have enough b vits through the day to keep me on keel

blade roast does and possum liver certianly does

just sorta interesting how delicate the balances are

i have been cutting back a bit on the whey and the muscle development has eased off enough in the neck so i can swallow supplements without diffculty again

may drop to a mild heaped/rounded teaspoon of whey per milk drink i think

with the copper don't need it so much and i really want things to be less critical................

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