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Sleepless in Fulham: Rambling and gambling by David Young
Friday, 5 May 2006
Moral comparisons.
Topic: Politics
Does anyone here read Juan Cole? I do from time to time. I respect the fact that he can read and speak Arabic (more the former than the latter) and that he puts in a lot of effort to pick up stories from the middle eastern media. But I'm often left baffled by the moral comparisons that he draws. Here is an instance from June 26th last year (see bottom of page):

"By the way, rightwing US commentators often slam Iranian elections because the candidates are vetted by the clerical Guardian Council for their loyalty to the Khomeinist ideology. In the past two years, the vetting has grown ever more rigorous, excluding relative liberals from running for parliament or president. The commentators are correct.

However, in the United States the "first past the post" system of winner-takes-all elections and the two-party system play a similar role in limiting voters' choices of candidates. Neither libertarians nor socialists are likely to be serious contenders for the presidency in the United States, since neither of the two dominant parties will run them. The US approach to limiting voter choice is systemic and so looks "natural," but US voters have a narrower range of practical choices in candidates than virtually any other democratic society."


Bizarre! He's equating direct 'vetting' of candidates by the Guardian Council for conformance with the ideology of one person, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, with indirect 'vetting' of candidates for conformance with the views of the majority of American voters! His comparison takes no account of the fact that in the former case, candidates get rejected for having views that might actually be popular with voters, while in the latter case they are rejected because their views won't be. How can someone so otherwise intelligent make such a fatuous comparison? The world of academia seems to be full of this.

_ DY at 4:04 PM BST
Updated: Friday, 5 May 2006 6:08 PM BST
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Saturday, 6 May 2006 - 12:25 AM BST


So f*cking what? Money vets candidates in the west.

You haven't said anything about your Beloved Leader Cameron's catchy new "Vote Blue Go Green".

That must grate!

Saturday, 6 May 2006 - 1:00 AM BST

Name: David Young

I really can't see the point in the blue/green slogan. He could make the point that wealthier societies tend to be cleaner and that socialist eastern Europe was an environmental disaster. It would be true. But what's he's doing is doomed I think, because a lot of people will simply think 'The Tories support business, and business pollutes'.

Mind you, it was the Tories who brought in the Clean Air Act.

There are plenty of better issues on which to fight. The fact that the government is running out of money and will have to come back for more tax would be a good one. So too would be the scandalous increase in middle-management non-jobs in the public sector. Every week the Guardian jobs section provides a bewildering array of pointless and unnecessary jobs, which the public must pay for.

DY

Saturday, 6 May 2006 - 2:50 AM BST

Name: Baby Jane

A few points

Juan may be able to speak Arabic but in Iran they don't speak Arabic.

I believe what the chap is getting at is that only a few select people can chose the president of each country, you have to agree that is true.

Questions

Which country in the middle east other than Israel has the largest number of Jews?

Which country in the middle east other than Israel has a Jewish MP?





Well done at the Gutshot tonight




xx

Saturday, 6 May 2006 - 12:15 PM BST

Name: David Young

Juan also says he speaks Persian and Urdu. I didn't think to mention that. I can't agree with 'only a few select people can chose the president of each country'. In the American primaries Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have both run. They are fairly far from the mainstream.

There is also a Libertarian party, plus Ralph Nader runs too as a Green. Juan's comparison with Iran is absurd.

I'm aware that Jews in Iran are a protected minority under the constution, but that doesn't mean that life there is rosy for them:

Jews in Iran

Interesting to see you actually engage in an issue.

DY



Saturday, 6 May 2006 - 8:40 PM BST

Name: Andy Ward

Do you want to quote me odds that a third-party candidate will become US president in our lifetimes ?

Come on, you know it'll never happen.

Andy.

Saturday, 6 May 2006 - 9:05 PM BST

Name: David Young

It's unlikely, I agree. The wider choice tends to be in the primaries. Registered Democrats have in the past had the chance to select Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as their presidential candidate. The reason they didn't get selected wasn't because a 'Guardian Council' decided that they unacceptable. It was the broad mass of the Democratic party that did that - millions of people.

Third parties tend to achieve the opposite of their declared aims. Ross Perot hurt George Bush Snr, Ralph Nader hurt Gore.

DY

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