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Sleepless in Fulham: Rambling and gambling by David Young
Tuesday, 24 October 2006
The Mean and the Keen.
Topic: Misc.

I bumped into an old friend on Friday last week, someone I knew before I started playing poker. I shall call him ‘the consultant’. Like most of my pre-poker friends, I’ve not kept in touch with him properly, so we had a lot of catching up to do.  I was surprised to learn that he’d got engaged. He’s always had a pathological need to chase women so it was a shock. In this regard he’s the opposite of me. I’ve never been one of those men who’s in love with the thrill of the chase. I hate small talk. I'm far too lazy for it. 

 

As I’m not getting any younger, I took the opportunity to learn about how he’d got together with his fiancé when we all went out for a meal. Listening to her side of the story was illuminating. Actually, it was hilarious.  Everything she said a man should do was the total opposite of what he’d done.

 

"We went out twice. After the second date, he dumped me because I wouldn’t sleep with him."

 

This was a slight shock. The old consultant wouldn’t have waited until day two. He had clearly mellowed a bit.

 

"Then I thought that we’d got on rather well. So I texted him back."

 

Hmm.

 

"And he texted me back at work, telling me what he had wanted to do to me".

 

I asked whether this was a good idea.

 

"Not usually, no. But [grinning]…. Anyway, we got back together and soon after that he cheated on me with my worst enemy – a girl I can’t stand. She’s now stalking us. I know he thinks that he’s treating me mean to keep me keen, but that doesn’t work. Really".

 

And so on, and so on, with her explaining at every twist and turn that this was how not to treat a woman. It was touching that she really believed what she was saying. It really didn’t occur to her that her estimate of his worth as a partner was enhanced by the fact that she had evidence that he was desirable to other women and that this made her more competitive.

 

I’d love to be able to learn from him, but it’s just not in me. Those of you who fear that I may one day reproduce can draw comfort from the fact that I don’t have what it takes to behave the way the consultant does. In the few relationships I’ve had, I've  stayed considerate and faithful. After a few weeks or months, they can’t take it any more and it’s over. Without evidence that I’m desirable to other women, their estimate of my worth falls to the point where it’s not worth bothering any more.

 

It's my fault of course. I don't care enough.


_ DY at 5:02 PM BST
Updated: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 5:05 PM BST
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Tuesday, 24 October 2006 - 8:10 PM BST

Name: "Juliette"

I think you're extrapolating a lot from one data point :-)

Your post made me realise that I'd forgotten to tell you that I'd got engaged  recently (to someone who falls well inside the considerate and faithful category!) 

Tuesday, 24 October 2006 - 11:24 PM BST

Name: "Germaine Greer"

Maybe, just maybe these "women" you had "relationtionships" with didn't leave you because half of the female population of london wasn't chasing you round throwing damp thongs at you. 

Maybe they saw the light and realised what a twit you really are. 

Wednesday, 25 October 2006 - 3:30 AM BST

Name: "David Young"

"Juliette" wrote:

I think you're extrapolating a lot from one data point :-)

Your post made me realise that I'd forgotten to tell you that I'd got engaged  recently (to someone who falls well inside the considerate and faithful category!) 

 

That's great news. I'm really happy for you. Where did it all go right?

DY

Wednesday, 25 October 2006 - 2:57 PM BST

Name: "anonymous"

"In the few relationships I’ve had, I've  stayed considerate and faithful. After a few weeks or months, they can’t take it any more and it’s over. Without evidence that I’m desirable to other women, their estimate of my worth falls to the point where it’s not worth bothering any more."

 

That has to be the funniest thing I have ever seen written.

Do you have a split personality David? Whenever I see you, you come across as an arrogant, uncaring and insensitive person.

A woman wants security more than anything else. She does not want you to be desirable to other women, just to her.

Their estimation of your worth is based on the fact that you don't have a real job.

You have to be the most pompous person I have ever come across.

Wednesday, 25 October 2006 - 4:03 PM BST

Name: "David Young"

There is something tremendously offputting about "a woman wants security more than anything else". Let that idea roll around your mind for a few minutes. It's a far more scathing comment about women than anything I could ever have said. What could be more unsexy than the thought that you are wanted as a security guard and a meal ticket, rather than for your personality?

You said it. Not me.

While browsing around in a second hand book store in Charing Cross Road 2 years ago, I came across a book called 'The manipulated man', by Esther Villa.

http://www.amazon.com/Manipulated-Man-Esther-Vilar/dp/0953096424

Reading it made me profoundly depressed by the thought of relationships, even though I know that a lot of the book is plain wrong. If only half what it says it true, life isn't too good for men. She paints a bleak picture.

Personally I've found academic women to be by far the most interesting in my experience, as they want more than material comforts and have that most appealing of features - curiosity. As it happens I've joined a university to do night classes this year. So far I've not used it as a way to meet people. But as I'm entitled to go to its library you never know. Wish me luck!

DY

Wednesday, 25 October 2006 - 11:34 PM BST

Name: "chaos"


‘The consultant’ you’re at it again! What’s wrong with Larry Libido? Or does it represent his role, here?

 

Uni libraries, definitely a hotbed for nice girls, though 90’s grads may be getting a touch old for the 20 year-olds.

 

Many women do prize security too highly, which is unfortunate and probably natural (from a physical and reproductive viewpoint), but societies changing values and the wonders of science mitigate it. 

 

it’ much less of a driver in women than men to hope to find members of their sex swooning over their partners.  

 

You may recall my megalomania comment many years ago, you’re exact comment generating that response escapes me, but it had the hallmarks of a wannabe bachelor. Naturally, it’s not good being a doormat, but most women, imo, value considerate and faithful men; if you don’t value those qualities women are disregarding you for, be grateful for the filter.

Sunday, 5 November 2006 - 6:57 PM GMT

Name: "Juliette"

"David Young" wrote:
"Juliette" wrote:

I think you're extrapolating a lot from one data point :-)

Your post made me realise that I'd forgotten to tell you that I'd got engaged recently (to someone who falls well inside the considerate and faithful category!)

 

That's great news. I'm really happy for you. Where did it all go right?

DY

 

Thank you :-) Our romance partially blossomed over the poker table in fact... (playing with friends rather than at a casino). 

In response to your post, I do think that if you take that attitude you may well end up with a woman, but it'll be one with very low self-esteem. I think the hardest thing with dating etc. is not wasting too much time on all the people who are attractive, nice etc. but aren't right for you, because they'll be an awful lot of them. When you do eventually meet the right person it's blindingly obvious and you couldn't be mean to them if you tried. If you're even remotely considering that, then it's a sign that you're better off moving on, unless you're just after something very short-term. 


Monday, 6 November 2006 - 2:07 AM GMT

Name: "David Young"
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I think a few people are in danger of taking what I said here at 100 per cent face value. I'm aiming to be provocative. I don't think that all women will abandon their men if the latter aren't seen to be flirting or sleeping with other women. But I do want to attack the "politically correct" view that women will reward fidelity and punish infidelity in their partners. Large numbers do precisely the opposite and if they thought about why this is, they might realise that I do have a point.

I read an interesting book last year called 'The Game', all about men who teach seduction.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Game-Neil-Strauss/dp/1841957739/sr=1-1/qid=1162776255/ref=sr_1_1/203-1195114-0876741?ie=UTF8&s=books

A repeated theme is the use of the 'neg' (mentioned in this article)

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/article308631.ece

Apparently it's important to break down the woman's self-esteem. I don't think I have this in me (despite the arrogance that some readers tell me I have). However, I can see its value - there are a lot of women with ridiculously high self-esteem who will never settle for any man who isn't a tall millionaire*.

Many of the men who teach this stuff in 'The Game' are clearly psychopaths and it's hard to believe that the women they slept with didn't realise it. I actually think it works to these men's advantage that they are not psychologically normal as it means they can continue to apply their routines to women they find boring as people (but attractive physically). I've always been a bit suspicious of people who try too hard to make a good first impression. What are they hiding? I tend to make terrible first impressions with people. This ought to bother me but at times I'm aware that I take a perverse pride in it.

DY

* Ask Dominic about the Brazilian woman we both shared the flat with. She spent her whole day dreaming about Pierce Brosnan and George Clooney and watched 'The Thomas Crown Affair' and 'One Fine Day' about 15 times each. The fact that she was 32 and had bad skin didn't in any way diminish her hopes

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