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Sleepless in Fulham: Rambling and gambling by David Young
Tuesday, 7 June 2005
When is it time to forgive France?
Topic: Politics
I've been boycotting France and French products for about two years now because I was appalled by the country's behaviour in the run up to the war against Iraq. At first I thought it was merely a commercial matter of the French being annoyed at losing a customer for their arms industry, but I later read about the philosophical differences between France and the US/UK and the desperate need the French have to believe that they are different and superior. I was sickened by the sight of French people presuming the worst about America and Britain's intentions in the Middle East. Remind me why they speak French instead of German or Russian, can you?

But I don't intend to hold this grudge forever and I've been wondering what would be the occasion to forgive them. The No vote against the constituion might be just such a moment. However it's clear that part of the reason for its rejection was the French people's fear that the EU might become too Anglo-Saxon and liberal free market. Oh that this worry were justified!

Nevertheless, the French have the right to stick to their ridiculous featherbedding if they wish, as long as it doesn't drag everyone else down too. I'm reminded of the film 'Angels with Dirty Faces', where James Cagney is a gangster who befriends some young tearaways. At the end of the film, he's taken to the electric chair and realising that his young fans are in earshot, he screams and blubs like a coward in order that they will change direction and be spared the same fate.

That is the role that I would like France to accept - to go downhill, screaming and blubbering all the way, so that young and impressionable nations see what the 'social market model' has in store for them and avoid going down the same path. If they do that and deter others from making the same mistakes, then all will be forgiven.

Tuesday, 7 June 2005 - 6:43 PM BST

Name: James B

You gave up French products and still have a weight problem?

I guess you high-tailed it straight to the pasta counter.

David, you are an anachronism in a modern world.

The world is turning under you, stop digging your feet in and find another path for yourself.

The dinosaurs must surely be a role-model for you NOT to emulate.

Tuesday, 7 June 2005 - 6:48 PM BST

Name: David Young

What are you on about?

DY

Tuesday, 7 June 2005 - 7:25 PM BST

Name: James B

Namely:-

You were probably the only person on the planet boycotting French products.

French food would probably do wonders to your waistline.

You need a perspective in life.

The two main faults in the human machine are:-

Pattern matching - though pattern matching gave us science and the ability to come out of the trees, it does make people think they can predict lottery numbers or see the Virgin Mary on a stained concrete wall.

Maturation of the brain - once you get to maturity the brain gets stuck and assumes that the world that is, always was and always shall be.

In your case David, the second fault is your major failing. The world is dynamic, constantly changing. It has left you behind but you don't like it so you dig your heals in.

You are the epitome of intransigence.

Tuesday, 7 June 2005 - 8:34 PM BST

Name: David Young

Huh?

Am I to understand that I can only lose weight by eating food grown in France? That's got to be bollocks. In practice, all my boycott amounts to is not going to France and not buying its wine, cheese and pate. As for the rest of your post ... about pattern matching and brain maturation ... it's very interesting and I agree with a lot of it. But I am not sure how you come to the conclusion that the world has left me behind. It's strange to hear from someone who's gone to a remote part of a sparsely populated country in order to get away from modern life!

I chose not to do business with people who did something I didn't like. It's that how the original "boycott" started?

DY

Tuesday, 7 June 2005 - 8:47 PM BST

Name: James B

No, the original boycott originated here in Ireland with some jumped-up jackass from your side of the pond, Captain Boycott.

He was a land agent. In other words, he stole land from Irish people and rented it back to them for extortionate amounts.

He also ran a farm and people refused to work on it until he left the country, which he did so when his business failed.

So no, it doesn't mean "not buying goods" as the original boycott was the withholding of labour. However, today it does generally mean not frequenting a shop.

And I didn't say you can only lose weight by eating French food. That was quite dense of you. Dense as in not bright rather than massive, which would have been correct anyway.

Tuesday, 7 June 2005 - 8:55 PM BST

Name: David Young

I was well aware that Boycott was English and lived in Ireland. I was under the impression that retailers refused to take his money, but I know I can count on you for the full story. That's why I dropped in the mention of the 'original boycott'.

Hope you are keeping well. You appear to be my most devoted reader.

Tuesday, 7 June 2005 - 9:01 PM BST

Name: David Young

And I wasn't wrong:

http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=20000301

tells me - "Boycott and his family found themselves without servants or farmhands and without mail delivery or service in stores."

Anyway, this thread is meant to be about France and its inevitable decline, not Ireland.

DY

Wednesday, 8 June 2005 - 10:09 AM BST

Name: James B

Because he was a land agent and his activities displeased the indigenous population.

I prefer to talk about Ireland.

Devoted - adj.

Feeling or displaying strong affection or attachment.

Delusion - n.

A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness.

Tuesday, 14 June 2005 - 3:38 AM BST

Name: on the beaches

at last!
I 've discovered someone even more pedantic,even more obstinate,even more boring than DY...
Step forward James B
You have a sack of spuds on your shoulder,pal

oh the glory,the heroism of old Oirish struggle.
Your grandfather's actions against the british apparently brought you into the world?!!
I think he has a lot to answer for.

I can't wait for the next instalment of those bad bad Brits.
That evil nation that hung on,against all odds to save western europe from tyranny....meanwhile the Nazi flag fluttered in the cool irish breeze in heroicly neutral Dublin....

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