Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:33:01 -0400 From: bobhunt@erols.com Subject: [lpaz-repost] summer repeats "militia in the hood" "The Lions claws" and other stories To: Individual-Sovereignty@egroups.com, lpaz-repost@yahoogroups.com, TnLP@egroups.com
On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:06:53 -0400, Bob Hunt <bobhunt@erols.com> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:46:12 -0700 "Mark F. Murphy" <markm@mail.tyrell.com>
Mark F. Murphy: wrote:
>At 8:40 PM -0400 4/3/00, Bob Hunt wrote:
>>Have you ever heard of William Butler Yeats?
>
>Sorry, nope.
Famous Irish poet from the 1800's. His stuff is still published and is in all of the book stores. But I can't make sense of it.
>
>>Would you like some of the verbal stories from my deceased father
>>that I have transcribed to the net?
>
>Sure!
First some of the quickies...
My mother was more racially prejudice than my father, but no one would have guessed it. For her it was important to everyone respect whether you liked them or not. For my father that was bull he saw no reason to waste his time pretending. But if anyone was "straight" with him he would do anything to help them anytime.
Short quotes:
"I am just a simple hillbilly from Tennessee who does differential equations for a living."
"Say what you mean, mean what you say,"
"anyone with a gun can not be all bad."
"rule 1 Treat every gun as "loaded", rule 2 never pick up a gun unless you are willing to use it, rule 3 never use a gun unless your objective is to kill and you are willing to accept the consequences"
"do not call me "sir", "sir" is for "officers", I am better than any "officer", call me "mister".
My father fought under General Patton. He had two weapons: a side arm and a slide rule. He was what is now called an "E8" one step below "warrant officer". He turned down two battle field promotions to officer. He was a mathematician in the heavy artillery. As a part of the heavy artillery under Patton, several times he was less than a half mile from the front and was running into German infantry.
He almost died from frostbite in the Battle of the Bulge. The only wound he ever had he did not report. He was shot in his hand by his own gun when he and a German POW (who acted as my father's aid/goffer/butler) were both drunk.
Now for the famous "Militia in the Hood"...
On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 03:51:36 GMT, in alt.politics.libertarian bobhunt@erols.com wrote:
On 4 Jan 1998 17:19:34 GMT, "COSMO KRAMER" <bwalker04@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>
>bobhunt@erols.com wrote in article <34cd000a.283441644@news.erols.com>...
>> Militia in the hood:
>>
>> It was 1959;
>> blacks had started to move into the neighborhood;
>> people told my father to move out, while the getting was good;
>> my father said he was in no hurry to move
>> until he found out who he was running from;
>> and then 2:30 one morning he found out;
>> there was a noise in the alley he did not like;
>> he opened his bedside desk drawer;
>> removed his German semi-automatic;
>> that he had captured in WWII;
>> and went outside in his pajamas;
>> he saw four black men;
>> all with guns;
>> all wearing pajamas;
>> none had ever met;
>> my father was the only one who had lived on the block for more than a
>> week;
>> they performed an impromptu identification to their mutual
>> satisfaction;
>> they organized a search of the block;
>> they identified "scratches" at one basement window;
>> they decided whoever or whatever the noises were from;
>> had decided to leave
>> (I would too if five armed men were looking for me);
>> they retired to the basement of one of the owners;
>> they set their guns down;
>> the owner broke open a bottle of whiskey;
>> they proceeded to drink and get to know each other
>> until the sun came up;
>> the next day my father say that
>> he liked the new neighbors moving in,
>> better than the ones moving out;
>> besides anyone with a gun can't be all bad.
>> My father thought blacks only needed two things;
>> to own land and to own guns.
>>
>> It is my belief that morning a civilian militia
>> as envisioned by the second amendment was formed.
>> That group of five grew to 8, then 12, then about 20.
>> They knew who was sick; who was away on vacation.
>> No kid could do mischief, without the parents being told.
>> Property values increased 25% in one year during a time of 2%
>> inflation. By the end of 1960 my neighborhood was 95% black.
>> According to the FBI statistics, the area has the lowest crime rate
>> for all of DC except for Bolling AF Base.
>> It has a 85 to 90% voter turn out on election day as compared to
>> 55 to 60% in the rich white areas "west of the park".
>>
>> My father had also said in 1943 that he thought he would live
>> to see people walk on the moon.
>> Americans walked on the moon in the summer of 1969.
>> My father died in October 1969.
>> At the funeral there were my mother's family;
>> people from my father's job;
>> and half of the neighborhood.
>> At one point at the funeral home,
>> all of the men of the militia (all black);
>> stood up in single file line;
>> and each one addressed m mother and then me;
>> with the same words;
>> "if you ever need anything; a ride, money, anything;
>> just let me know".
>> And they meant it.
>> And in the 1980's when my mother became very ill;
>> they again came to help.
>>
>> bob hunt
>>
>>
>> friend> All of this because of guns? How touching.
yep, pretty much. "my father said that >> he liked the new neighbors moving in,
>> better than the ones moving out;
>> besides anyone with a gun can't be all bad."
My father saw a high correlation btween responsible gun ownership and responsible citizenship. He viewed people he would meet in the middle of the night wearing pajamas and carrying guns just because there might be a problem; as people he could count on for any problem; and as people he would offer help to for any problem. He saw the whites moving out as people who did NOT care for their neighborhood. He saw the new black neighbors as people who DID care for their neighborhood. There was one more incident and introduction a month later: A young black woman who just moved in across the street chose our (without knowing us) house to run to when confronted by a white man in a Maryland car who exposed himself. My mother called the police. My father got a description of the man and car; got his gun and got in his car and started looking. He was going to make a citizens arrest. Well apparently the word during this time period got out that either we were either very good citizens or very crazy; because in following 38 years, I know of only two other problems: 1. a domestic argument; 2. an elderly gentleman smashed his car into a park car while drunk (no police report - family members agreed to take his car keys away permanently and pay for damages.) Our next door neighbor was elderly and lived alone and had no gun. But she had the block. Even if someone knew she lived alone; to cause trouble with her, meant flirting with a danger greater than the prospect of possibility being arrested in six months, namely the prospect of not getting off of the block alive. To cause trouble with the weakest meant trouble with the strongest. While my father never found time to upgrade the wiring in our house; he did find time to rewire several of newer neighbor houses for free. My mother over the years gave free tutoring in remedial reading and arithmetic to many neighborhood kids. The average family moving in had three incomes (the mother worked, the father would have two jobs). Most of the new neighbors did home improvements such as brick flower beds ornamental fences. New house prices in 1955 were 15,000$. Between 1959 and 1960 prices went from 17-18,000 to 23-24,000$. They are now around 120-135,000$ ">> At one point at the funeral home, >> all of the men of the militia (all black);
>> stood up in single file line;
>> and each one addressed my mother and then me;
>> with the same words;
>> "if you ever need anything; a ride, money, anything;
>> just let me know".
Instead of losing a father; it was like I now had 4 or 5 fathers. (I already knew years before that if my parents were not around and one of them told me anything I had better jump.)
Militia in the Hood - before the Hood Germany 1945My father was a master sargent in Patton's 3rd army. The end of the war was in sight. My entered a German town. The Germans were celebrating. No more bombs. No more starving; the Americans had food. The war was over for this town.
After 20 minutes, a panic sweep thru the German people in this town. People were terrified. Mothers were screaming, looking for their children. Other mothers were actually trying to hid their babies and small children.
My father then found the cause of the panic. From another part of the town, an American black regiment was entering the same town. The American black troops were conducting themselves with proper military discipline. But did not make any difference.
My was then shocked to find out that the German people had been told by their government that: the American army did not feed their black troops; but rather the American black troops would eat live human babies that they would capture. He was even more shocked that these people believed it.
True ignorance: Where one believes anything from the government and that is the only source of information
bob hunt
In honor of my father Emmette Emery Hunt (Jan. 9, 1913 - Oct 25, 1969) my mother Verna Alice (Yeatts) Hunt (Sept. 8, 1918 - Nov 10, 1997)
> A Note of Caution
>
>Before the smart folks at the Weekly Standard
>You their high praises sing,
>Remember, intelligence without integrity
>Is an extremely dangerous thing.
>
intelligence without integrity hum reminds me of ancient German mythology based the two following symbols:
X XXXXX XXXXX X X X X X X X X X XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX X X X X X X X X XXXXX X X XXXXX
Only the left one was the nazi symbol; but they both had interesting ancient meanings. The left one symbolized strength and power; the right one symbolized compassion and wisdom. The left by itself was considered evil. The right by itself was considered goodness. Both together was considered to be a sign of good fortune. Just think power and goodness (wisdom and compassion) was thought over a thousand years ago to be good fortune; power without wisdom and compassion was thought to be evil. Ancient writings predicted that the left symbol by itself would led to great ultimate power and that power would ultimately completely destroy the one with that power.
Then the advanced 20th century came; and Hitler said one does not need wisdom and compassion; might makes right etc. He adopted the left symbol by itself. He believed in ultimate power. And he was destroyed by it. It seems like humanity has not advanced any in the last two thousand years. When will we learn power without truth is evil!!!
Miitia in the Hood - 1968 Riots
1968, Martin Luther King had been murdered. My mother and father had gone to work. Neither had access to news until the end of the work day. I had gone to my private high school in downtown DC, two blocks from the White House. Rioting started around 14th and U st. NW. In school with me was Mike S., my best friend since 1st grade in public school. His family had been the third black family in my neighborhood. He had the left the public schools in the 7th grade for the same private school as me. Rioting was spreading. Mr S., Mike's father came down to the school to get his kid. After getting Mike, he went looking for me. After he found me, the school headmaster showed up and said he could take his son, but he could not take me. Mr. S. said was going to take me either with the headmaster standing up or with the headmaster horizontal. The headmaster started babbling. Mr S. took both of his "sons".
By the time my parents got home, I was already safe at home, but much of DC was in flames. Much later marshal law was declared for all of DC. But before that happened the old "DC Transit's" buses had been commandeered and lined bumper to bumper around key government buildings, with 50 caliber machine guns on top. Possibly 200 plus people had died. They were still finding bodies 15 years later. (another crime that the bodies were just left in the rubble.)
I remember seeing armored personnel carriers going up my street. I remember thinking that they did not belong here. Our neighborhood was safe without them. I was wondering what was supposed to "wrong" with us. We were under curfew. Two blocks away was Maryland, no troops, no marshal law, no problems. The number of died in Maryland was zero!
What was the difference?
In 1968 DC was totally a creature of the federal government. It took Nixon and Ford to grant even limited home rule to DC. It was said that President Johnson had said that they could burn all of DC, as long as i was blacks burns blacks. Many of the dead were poor black women and children hiding in their tenements over the store fronts being burn. Many fires were out of control and spread from one block to another block. Johnson did not respond until the fires were within sight of the White House.
Ultimate governmental responsibility in Maryland rested with then Republican Governor Agnew. What many people today might not realize, is that Governor Agnew had won an upset victory against Democrat Mahoney, by being the civil rights candidate. Mahoney's campaign slogan was "a man's home is his castle". He supported keeping enforced racial segregation in housing by Maryland state law. Agnew campaigned on "open housing" and a color blind society. Most housing in Maryland had recorded into the deeds what race could ever buy. (That was one reason why my neighborhood went so fast - two blocks north in Maryland one could be "safe") Agnew believed that no one should ever be told who could or could not sell to. He believed that "open housing" could be made the law of Maryland on the basis that "race" would not have any legal meaning, and therefore no contract clause based on race could use the power of the state for enforcement.
When the rioting started, Governor Agnew, announced that the first looter caught would be arrested; the first person caught with a fire bomb would be SHOOT. A couple of minor problems started in Baltimore. No major problems. No one shoot. No one dead. But from that point on Agnew was called a racist.
But who was the true racist? President Johnson who let DC burn as long as it was the black areas burning with 200 dead including many innocent people? Or Governor Agnew who had enough respect to at least try to treat everyone in Maryland the same, with no one dying?
bob hunt
My "libertarian manifesto": (written by Bob Hunt) I
I am
I choose
My life is made of MY choices. I live for MY choices. I live by MY choices, even tho I might regret some of them.
bob hunt maybe the first "manifesto" that makes no demands on anyone other than the one making the manifesto.
Koresh and the canaries are not singing: (written by Bob Hunt)
Koresh was as far as I am concerned, a total nut case and his followers were missing a few cylinders also. But my thinking someone is a nut is not justification for any arrest nor execution without arrest.
A hundred years ago coal miners took canaries into the mines. Since canaries have a much higher respiratory rate, they need the 20% oxygen (79%nitrogen 1% water vapor/carbon-dioxide/other). But man does not need the full 20%, in fact man can survive with the much thinner air at 12,000 feet. If the mine began filling with Carbon-monoxide or methane, the canaries in the cage would stop singing. The miners would hopefully have time to get out.
Koresh and his followers were the canaries singing and monitoring the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is to protect the "nut cases", the misfits, and the desenters. The "normal" people are safe as long as the previous groups are safe and "singing". Koresh was our trip wire. He gave his life to give us his warning.
The canaries are not singing. The canaries are dead. And very few paid attention. Is the carbon-monoxide building up making you sleepy yet?
PS carbon-monoxide poisoning is much slower and less painful than poison CS gas. bob hunt
PPs Do you know any other vulnerable groups? PPS Did you that over half of the people with Koresh in their religious commune were non white? American blacks, blacks from Jamaica, blacks with British citizenship, mexican Americans, Philipinoes, other asians?
an old post.... look at the signature portion Area: LIBERTY Msg#: 6 Date: 17 Jul 95 03:49:13 From: Bob Hunt To: Libernet Subj: Mo great service/less tax???? Please repost: In order maintain great service, with less taxes, the US Dept of Labor is planning on implementing "user fees". Whereas the minimum wage laws and other labor restrictions, provide a vital, necessary, and good service to society by preventing employment; Whereas employment is "good", the US Dept of Labor issues certificates of exemptions to their own laws; Whereas these certificates are a valuable service to employers, allowing them to hire employees that they desire, that would otherwise be illegal; Whereas the US Dept of Labor spends almost as much money processing the paper work for these certificates and their annual renewals; the US Dept of Labor is going to start charging user fees for these certificates: 14$ per MSPA certificate allowing the hiring of "Migrant and Seasonal farm workers 110$ per section 14 certificate except for the handicapped certificates, allowing for the hiring of workers at below minimum wage for various reasons, such as full time student, training where industries are shut down, etc. 200$ per home work certificate, allowing for the hiring of workers to do work from the employees homes (this is primarily mothers with dependent children in NH and Vermont who do knitting of hats, scarfs, blankets, etc; which the US Dept of Labor has done a valiant job of trying to abolish) (back under Bush there was a failed attempt to include independent computer programmers under tis category, in order to drive out this dangerous independent streak in the computer software profession) Hopefully if other independent workers can be driven away, attention can again be returned to dangerous independent computer programmers.
bob hunt as explained to gilligan by Mary Ann Please repost
guns:To: DOC <avakoff@pacbell.net> Subject: [smith2000-discuss] Re: CAS: Our Guns From: bobhunt@erols.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:20:45 GMT Cc: aCAS <cas@admin.listbox.com>
From: bobhunt@erols.com
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:52:56 -0700, you wrote:
>piston2@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> IMHO, no consensus exists in this country to take away our guns. In fact,
>> I do not believe any half measures such as registration or mandatory
>> training have universal support. The recent revelations over Waco are
>> a huge victory for our side of the debate. Our common stock answer to our
>> opponents should be how many people in the 20th Century were killed by
>> government sanctioned violence versus by nut cases misusing precious gun
>> rights.
>>
>> Nevertheless, I am not taking any chances. It is time for those who
>> believe in freedom to make preparations. I am stocking up on guns and,
>> perhaps, it is time to organize for the day when firearms are abolished.
>> I have already made my decision, to fight rather than surrender my God
>> given rights as an American. Who else is i?
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> ==============================
THE LIONS CLAWS
>
>I agree with you in principle.
>
>However, the right to keep and bear arms is not a God given
>right. It is a right given to us by our founding fathers who had
>felt the oppression of the previous government.
Wrong!
Does not the eagle have the "right" to use its claws? Does not the lion have the "right" to use its teeth?
Man has a mind and is a tool maker.
The ability and right to use a weapon is as natural as our thumbs or "trigger fingers".
The ability and right to defend our selves is as natural as our beating hearts. This right is inherit in being free and alive.
The Bill of Rights did not grants any rights, it recognized rights that predated the Union, predated even the existence of England. These rights are inherent in existence itself.
That is the reason that Jefferson referred rights that are inalienable. They can not be revoked by any authority, because they were not optional rights that were "granted", but predated any authority.
bob hunt
more on race:On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:34:09 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> There is a difference between saying my friends are black
>> and saying I have black friends.
The difference is what is one's first method of classification.
For me it would be who are "my people" and THAT would be anyone who I knew I could count on if I needed help and who I would be there no matter what the problem was.
And many of those people would not have as much needfor "sun screen" as me during the summer.
bob hunt
Maryland politics...Politics by cell phone
(written by Bob Hunt)
On election day in November 1999 I spent the cold windy rainy day at the polls in Baltimore helping Lorenzo's campaign.
What I found:
The Republican campaign worker was handing out literature.
The Libertarian campaign worker (me) was handing out literature.
The Democrat campaign worker had no literature.
He had a cell phone.
Turn out was low in the bad weather.
But the Democrat had reason to use his cell phone about 5 or 6 times an hour. Someone complained about trash in alley a block away. beep beep beep, Public Works! "I need a crew over here in 10 minutes". And screeched Public Works truck pulls up. Another voter complains about trash a couple blocks away. beep beep beep Public Works! Someone else complains about a next door making an extension on their house which the voter objects to. beep beep beep. Building Inspector's Office! Promise given that the next door neighbor will get a surprise inspection before the voter gets back home.
This went on all day.
The cell phone beat both "literature candidates" by a landslide.
Makes my wonder if the rest of the country worked the same way in 1996?
bob hunt
Politics Libertarian Size...by Bob Hunt
To: "'bobhunt@erols.com'" <bobhunt@erols.com> Subject: Re: "ADOPT A CITIZEN" From: Michael Listman <mlistman@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:23:08 -0500 Cc: "'mdlp@onelist.com'" <mdlp@onelist.com>
Bob -
A truly excellent idea, we'd be the unelected Libertarian ombudsman! I would like to post this as an action item on the web site or possibly an editorial. After this is bounced off everyone, we can decide how to get it up on the site.
Maybe we could create a recognizable entity or committee for the sole purpose of soliciting calls for help and organizing ation on their behalf. This would be much like what is done through "11 on your side" or "Call for Action" but with the focus of "cleaning up government."
Michael
-----Original Message----- From: bobhunt@erols.com [SMTP:bobhunt@erols.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 10:29 PM To: LPUS@dehnbase.fidonet.org; MDLP@onelist.com; Dean.Ahmad@f434.n109.z1.fidonet.org Subject: [MDLP] Adopt a highway, no a better idea
From: bobhunt@erols.com
"ADOPT A CITIZEN"
Since at least here, at least now, we can not make Libertarian principles law, can we perhaps make a change for at least one person...?
Goal: Find one person, "one whistle blower", one victim of asset forfeiture, one person on the wrong end of state regulation, one person without an advocate. Preferably from the lower portion of the economic ladder, a member of some minority, someone who belongs to a church.
Become that person's advocate, find a lawyer, network with the other churches in the area, attract the attention of the media, put a human face on the force of government.
Cleaning up highways may be nice; but cleaning up government by rescuing one person at a time would accomplish more. And it might be within our abilities to effect the outcome if we focus on one person at a time. And it might win us new friends and respect and a new way for people to identify us.
So far it is just an unembellished idea.
I would appreciate feedback, and thoughts on what to do next.
bob hunt >
> How very elegant, Bob. For all epistemic purposes, there's really no
>difference at all. In this socio-political context, though, I really like
>the look of that.
>
> Well done. Cheersalot, mate.
>
>
>Billy
>
>VRWC Fronteer
>http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html
>
>mark
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