Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:16:13 -0700
From: frdmftr@MINDSPRING.COM (Don Cline)
Subject: Re: Corporation Armed Body Was::Re: Looking for instructor in Glendale
To: AZRKBA@asu.edu


----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Janecek <dave_janecek@NETVALUE.NET>
To: <AZRKBA@asu.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Corporation Armed Body Was::Re: Looking for instructor in Glendale


> At 04:41 PM 18-06-01 -0400, <gsepp@JUNO.COM> wrote:

> > >You folks want to strike at the very hear of gun control and other

> > >forms of tyranny?  Start putting pressure on the judicial and

> > >legislative systems to make corporate officers accountable for

> >  >what they do in the name of the corporation.

> > >--

> > >Don Cline

> >

> >Don and all,

> >Judges and legislators are "corporate officers" too.  All of gov't is

> >corporate.  Not figuratively but literally.  If pressure is put on judges

> >and legislatures for corporate officers to be held accountable then those

> >very judges and legislators would be held accountable too.

> >Unfortunately, ain't gonna happen.   Great idea and it would solve the

> >problem but it is NOT in their interest to solve the problem.  They won't

> >do it.

> >Gary

>

>          This aspect of the Regents of the Universities was raised back in

> about 1990

>          by a student pulled over by University of Arizona police.  His

> lawyer claimed

>          they weren't "real" cops because the University was a corporation

and
>          Constitutionally, Arizona corporations aren't allowed to raise an

> "armed body

>          of men".

>          The judge rule in favor of the University.

>          University police are now part of the Arizona State law

> enforcement group.

>

>          But Don and Gary's comments do merit thought.


A few years ago AZ Attorney-General Bob Corbin found a suitable victim of
government lawlessness in the area of the right to keep and bear arms, and
backed him in court all the way to the Arizona Supreme Court, proving along
the way that Arizona has absolutely no authority of any kind over the
private right to keep and bear arms -- that the issue came up in the
constitutional delgation meetings five separate times, and was voted down
every single time.  The Arizona Supreme Court, figuratively speaking, waved
its hand airily and said "Of course Arizona has the right to control and
regulate the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms, to the point of
extinguishing it if it chooses to do so."

Like I said:  "Government by the Divine Right of Kings to Govern."  Feudal
government.  They don't have the authority, but they do it anyway.  And we
sit around trying to figure out how we can get cities to install gun lockers
to facilitate their destruction of our right to keep and bear arms.

--
Don Cline
frdmftr@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~frdmftr

I don't fight lawless, unconstitutional government because I have an
obligation to win.

I fight lawless, unconstitutional government because I have an obligation toearn the right to live in a free country.

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