Subject:problem with a user
Date:Sun, 03 Aug 1997 18:04:46 -0700
From:Honey <*****@******.com>
To:flights server@******.com
honey@*****.com wrote:
Hello,
I am not sure what the regulations are about your online access,
but I know that with my account with Interpath, here, in North
Carolina, there were some pretty specific rules about not using
my account to harrass other internet users.
I'd like, then, to draw your attention to what one of your users
has spent her time creating in an effort to harrass another
'net' user. It seems that she and her friends online have
chosen to use the freedom of creating webpages in order to
harrass this 16 year old girl, Casey.
I am a sysop of a web chat site and in the times I have seen
Casey and her friends chat there, we have never had any complaints
about her behavior or her harrassing any other chatters. It seems
that at another chat site, there must be several folks who
don't like her being there. And this webpage is the result:
https://members.tripod.com/~FLIGHT_FUCKHEAD/ICK.html
It was written by a user of yours whose email address is
flight@eohio.net
I am not sure if this is her parents' email address, or one of
her own. The webpage was forwarded to me, since it had a chat
handle on it similar to mine, "Honey", but I have certainly not
been involved with the creation of this page.
I have, however, written to tripod about what their user agreement
may include. But, I thought you might want to know what your
user is using her account for.
I know.... it's probably simply a ridiculous email to you, but,
I'm sure I would want to know if users were using the bandwidth
to harass other net users.
Thank you for your consideration,
Honey, from "The gathering place"
Computer Resource Teacher
Sysop - The Gathering Place
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Honey's Haven
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1573
Educational Resources
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1573/educate.html
Haven Web Pages - Web Page Design
http://www.deltaworld.com/haven
The Gathering Place Chat Site
http://www.paniczone.com
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This is what my server wrote back.
Debi Hooper;
Thank you for bringing to our attention the actions of one of our users.
WE do have rules on the harrasment of other users. I viewed the page
and talked to Flight. I requested she tone it down and not be
offensive. I have known flight for about a year and she is in one of my
classes, as I am a computer science teacher. I think she is sometimes
miss directed and I am encouraging her to put forth the same effort in
positive ways. She says there is a problem with Casey stealing other
peoples boyfriends. If she only knew what a favor she was doing she
might thank her. Flight said you were one of the people on the page but
I think she may have you confused with another person.
We will not tolorate the harrass other internet users ut we have no
control over what is on other sites. If the web page was housed here
then we would evaluate it.
I know I have not been of much help but hope all will settle down to a
more normal relationships shortly.
If I can be of further help kindly let me know.
THANK YOU!
***********
***********- A&P - E-Z Net Access II
And heres a E mail Honey (from gathering place) wrote ME....
gee..... Am I the only one that thinks it looks like shes just trying to cover her OWN ass?
Subject:Re: why
Date:Sun, 3 Aug 1997 20:39:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: honey@********.com
To:flight@eohio.net
Ok... I'll talk to you, too....
this is the reply I just sent to someone else involved
with your webpage.....
Shes talking about GeneralPaige folks.
******
Yes, I have a real problem with it, as I have chatted for
the past 3 years with the handle, "Honey", and when this
webpage was brought to the attention of people chatting
at WWISPer, they thought the Honey associated with its
creation was me.
I know it wasn't.... but.... since she and I now share
Interpath as our providers, some folks couldn't tell,
and now I'm being asked why I have a problem with Casey-Anne.
And... yes... I know her and her father, and I think that
the webpage is a mean, spiteful, and vindictive thing for
adults to have been involved with. And... I'm not sure about
anyone else's ISP's, but mine clearly states that it's use
will not be for harrassing any other Internet users.
I'm sorry the six of you feel that the webpage in question
is an appropriate use of bandwidth.
I assure you, this is not a problem stemming from The Gathering
Place. It is purely an individual problem I have with Internet
usage and "adult behavior."
*********
As I now realize you are not yet an adult, I feel that if
you are using an Internet account, you should use it wisely.
I did not realize that the sysop of your service was a friend,
etc., but I'm not sure that would have made a difference.
This was a complaint on behalf of myself, primarily, as I do
not want people I know assuming, incorrectly, that I am involved
in this webpage.
"Honey"
Subject:webpage
Date:Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT)
From:honey@*******.com
To: flight@eohio.net
I truly thought you had corrected the webpage by adding
the disclaimer.... and.... you even added that at the bottom
of your additional page that has my letters on it.
Odd.... that my letter to your Internet Provider made it into
your hands... guess your teacher/friend didn't think there was
anything private in it.
Wrong.... I would like my real name removed from that additional
webpage. It does not appear on any of my pages and was only sent
on the letter to your ISP because I felt that letter was from one
professional to another. Obviously, I was wrong.
You are more than welcome to add this letter to your collection.
I truly do not care. But, I do not broadcast my real name online
and would prefer that you not, either, since I have not given it
to you, nor given you permission to do so.
And... no... I am not trying to cover my ass. I am trying, in vain,
to disassociate myself from that webpage. But you seem dead-set
on making sure I am a part of it.
Thank you,
Honey
Subject:Re: webpage
Date:Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:09:37 -0400 (EDT)
From:honey@********.com
To:flight@eohio.net
>ill think about it, the disclaimer is fine..
>about your letter to my server.. like i said... hes my freind.
Yes, I realize that he is your friend. I have former students
with whom I am still friends, as well. I just don't think I would
have given a copy of that email to them. Regardless of how you
received the email. My real name is not up for public consumption
and I would simply appreciate having that removed. I really didn't
care if you removed the email address.
I emailed Harold and let him know that he might want to think about
passing email along to other people in the future. And I asked him
not to worry about saying anything to you about this, and that I
would work with you on it.
And.... yes... I have no problem with your disclaimer. I felt that
worked just fine and I had thought this was over as far as my
involvement was concerned.
Subject:Re: webpage
Date:Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: honey@********.com
To:flight@eohio.net
>
>you e mailed mr A? thats retarded......
>
Nope... it's not retarded..... I just figured he needed to know
that email sent to him should have stayed with him....
And that I didn't send him a letter signed with my real name
with any assumption that it would then become part of a webpage.
"Friendship" doesn't have anything to do with this.
And, now that the other "Honey" has asked you to remove her name
from the page, I guess I never needed to say anything about it
at all. I personally don't care about your feelings against
CaseyAnne. I just want out of your webpage.
Subject:Re: webpage
Date:Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:31:07 -0400 (EDT)
From:honey@interpath.com
To:flight@eohio.net
>then you shouldent have gotton involved in the first place.
>
Having a chat handle that similar to mine on your webpage
involved me without my knowledge. As soon as my professional
reputation was questioned, I had no other recourse but to
file some type of complaint.
I later assumed that your disclaimer edit was going to take
care of the problem. Now I find that I am more involved than
I originally was.
You're more than welcome to leave the letters there.... I don't
care about that. I would simply like you to edit the page so
that my real name is not plastered across the net. I think
this is a fairly simple request.
Thank you.
Heres an Email from CaseyAnnes dad, Rex. *G*
Subject*wondering*
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 15:13:26 -0400
From:"Rex M. Smith"
To:piage@******.com
I am truly wondering what you and your other asshole friends at Dougs are
up to now. I am so glad I do not chat there anymore. I do not understand
this page at all concerning Casey Anne and I can tell you honestly it is
meaningless. We have truly come to understand through the years that
these chats like Dougs are made up of true losers and complete assholes.
So make all of this stupid stuff you want. I only know about it as another
honey called me last night to ask what this is about. I said I have no idea
as I never chat at that place anymore.
So you can take your stupid petty nonsense and write all the shit you want
as it is meaningless to me and Casey Anne. We have no idea what this is
about. Her boyfriend has been Joey for almost a year and they chat at
whisper, so go pick on somebody else.
*thinks they are jerks and assholes*
Rex
LAUGHTER
OF ALL THE DAYS, THE DAY ON WHICH ONE HAS NOT LAUGHED IS THE ONE MOST SURELY WASTED.
Sébastien-roch Nicolas de Chamfort (1741–94), French writer, wit.
Do you notice how much he has to swear to get his point across? Its such a pitty... a grown man can't conduct himself in an adult way.. *PIMP*
As you can tell people, this page isent GETTING moved.... weak attempts at getting moved, will not work
DISCLAIMER- Don't try to cause trouble with "Honey" from the gathering place. We were not happy with this attempt at distruction, but we won't be stopped. And we have worked out our problems with honey with a new disclaimer.