Session Start: Tue May 05 17:42:07 1998
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<MCW> and speaking of which I have some resources for 
lookups but didnt know where to post except to BB in classroom
<MCW> The Gazetter is very interesting to read even if I wont find 
anything I need in it:)
<MCW> And it was fun to look in the 1912 plat book and see where I live now
<MCW> It is an obscure publication called Catholic Directory & Parish Gazetteer 1899
<MCW> it list all those who were registered in any churches here in 
that year  and it also has pictures that are one of a kind
<MCW> there are no othere places that they will be found
<MCW> Of the Diocese of Monterey and Los Angeles 
<MCW> even the ads are great to read
<chirho> hehehe, wish the prices still were real!
<chirho> See you're with the migrating folks.  Have you all picked topics, methods, etc?
<MCW> in kwesters we dont really have one subject we are all 
doing something different Some are writing reports others are 
making search trail and different stuff
<MCW> now with the migration group I dont know
<chirho> :)  Sounds interesting
<MCW> the eo group is kwesters UK Kilt Quest at least we came up with a name
<MCW> had big discussion about who actually even wore kilts!
<MCW> I thought all did but others say only the scottish did
<MCW> but I have my kilt but I am also Irish and scottish so I m not
 sure where it came from
<chirho> The kilt questions get batted into the ground every few months
 on both the SI list and the Scotland list :)
<chirho> Supposedly the Irish had em first, like bagpipes, and took em 
to Scotland.  Of course the scottish say the irish didn't have tartans... 
etc., and on it rages :)
<MCW> lol I am sure we will also get to that discussion also:)
<chirho> Rig4, Like to get reports on the fians :)  and make sure everyone's
 doing  okay on lessons.  Otherwise don't know.  How are the newbies and IRC?
<MCW> but is it such a big deal anyways
<Rig4> that's all I had planned, but was wondering if you'd come across anything else
<chirho> Not really.
<Rig4> only to those who want to make it one MCW
<MCW> good cause I don't think it is
<Rig4> I skim the emails about it just in case I might miss something.....
but that's all I do is skim
<MCW> and I am glad to see a cookbook going I didnt see that before I have 
faxed all my irish priests and told them to raid their moms kitchens and send to me
<Rig4> which cookbook, MCW
<MCW> I saw that there was a cookbook being worked on somewhere
<chirho> MCW, have started on on our site :)  Only two recipes so far!
<sitka> o.k. chirho...what does "sets mode:" mean?
<chirho> Works best if there's a story with the recipe :)
<chirho> sitka, means we made you an "op"
<sitka> o.k.   
<sitka> can anyone help me make mIRC a shortcut on my desktop?  
It is a shortcut on my start menu..but it would be easier on desktop.:)
<MCW> you can do that in windows explorer
<MCW> go to the mirc file
<sitka> then what?
<MCW> and chose Shortcut to desktop
<chirho> sitka, put the start of one in the Hideaway :)
<MCW> right click on it
<sitka> too easy for me, I guess!  Thanks
<Rig4> the cookbook has two recipes in it in the fianna web site
<chirho> Just as another Fianna service to help folks learn about their heritage.
<sitka> is the cookbook a project for the total class or just a group?
<chirho> Anyone is welcome to submit :)
<Rig4> small group tonight, so far
<chirho> No group has it for a project.  More important stuff in the guide for projects.
<sitka> like..I'm supposed to be working on "vital records" 
I'd be glad to do so if I knew what to do
<chirho> Does anyone know why CABBAGE witih the corned beef?
<MCW> Readers digest also has put out a book cook book series called
 heritage I have the one about the early american cooking but
 I will write up what they ssay about what came from ireland and submit it
<MCW> oh cabbage I was told was cause it killed the bacteria in the beef
<chirho> That would be nice.  Not your main project, tho, this is an extra:)
<MCW> not sure if that is so though
<chirho> MCW, nice idea but not killing bacteria :)
<sitka> as far as cookbook goes...why spareribs and sauerkraut?
<MCW> LOL
<MCW> sounded a bit feeble when I was told also
<chirho> Back to corned beef... anyone give up yet?  hehehe
<MCW> but it would have been nice if it did:)
<Rig4> cabbage with corned beef is an american transition, but it got the 
start that in order to preserve the meat they had to corn it, 
then cabbages were so much in abundance that they just put the 
two together.......I think   :)
<MCW> maybe would have saved alot of food poisioned people at that time
<chirho> logical but not right hehehe
<Rig4> spareribs and saurkraut are also german
<sitka> I thought corned beef and cabbage was Irish?  Hi PBN
<Rig4> spareribs and saurkraut are found in various cultures
<chirho> we're collecting guesses about why it was CABBAGE and corned beef :)
<Rig4> cabbage also soaks up any grease.....
<sitka> of course...cabbage & sauerkraut are kind of one and the same
<PBN> Corned Beef and cabbage seem to be popular in Aus. U.S. and ireland
<chirho> way off base folks :)   
<chirho> a genealogy-related reason!
<sitka> has to do with family or heritage?
<PBN> Probably it was cheap or home grown in ireland
<chirho> yep has to do with heritage and reasons for leaving homeland.
<sitka> like the potatoe famine?
<Rig4> cabbage is one of they're major produce crops
<PBN> It is not very popular in U.K.
<sitka> o.k. chiro...fill us in!
<chirho> not even warm.  Political reason!
<abbi--> French Canada makes boiled dinner with corned beef, cabbage, and potatoes.
<MCW> oh political?
<Rig4> hmmm....could it be, that with the potatoes all gone they had 
to resort to the cabbage to take the place of potatoes?
<chirho> hint, corned beef goes UNDER the cabbage.  Cabbage smells
<sitka> can't have anything to do with the UK, can it?
<MCW> and so did the politicians
<sitka> I agree!
<Rig4> LOL
<chirho> Tenents weren't allowed to have beef!  
So they cooked it under cabbage to hide the smell :)  Things that bad made folks leave!
<MCW> wow 
<sitka> aaaahhhh
<Rig4> hmmmm, great lesson, thanks chirho
<MCW> I cant wait to tell that to the person who gave me the answer about bacteria:)
<sitka> and where do you come up with that stuff!
<PBN> How much of the Cookery Book is done
<chirho> hehehe, my secret! :)
<Rig4> 2 recipes
<sitka> what kind of recipes are we collecting?  all Irish?
<chirho> Yep
<chirho> to help folks know about their heritage
<chirho> a side project
<Rig4> should we get started on some fian items...or does chirho 
have more Irish words of wisdom
<PBN> I will have to see what I can remember from my mother and grandmother
<possum> They ate potatoes 3 times a day!!!
<possum> Just boiled potatoes!!
<sitka> until they ran out and ate cabbage!
<Rig4> how is everyone doing on projects?  Have you started?
<PBN> Irish mixed grill boiled pot. baked pot and fried pot.
<possum> How can they have recipes heheh???
<PBN> Have started research on irish Convicts to Aust.
<chirho> :)
<Rig4> somebody asked a bit ago about vital statistics
<PBN> Have contacted members of my group but no reply
<abbi--> Our fian will be working on 1798 revolution
<sitka> ??????  my study group is "vital record" and my project
 is "vital records"  can they be intertwined?
<PBN> I think we are in the same group sitka
<sitka> Rig4...could use all the help we can get!
<sitka> goodooo PBN
<sitka> so what are we doing?
<Rig4> how broad are you getting there sitka.....is there a specific 
item you'd want to work on?
<chirho> sitka, find some aspect of searching vital records that's 
interesting to you, follow it through, and write about how to do it for the guide :)
<chirho> See what's already there so you don't duplicate :)
<Rig4> under the heading of vital records....
<sitka> specifically???????? 
<sitka> like birth, or death, or what?
<PBN> Convicts can go under vital records?
<chirho> birth, death, marriage, divorce
<Rig4> census, marriage records, birth certs, death certs, etc
<sitka> PBN...do you have a specific?
<PBN> Yes Convict transportation to australia
<sitka> OK chirho...I thought last time chiro looked too short :)
<Rig4> a lot of people on the emails are ALWAYS wondering where to go 
or what to do or what to mail to get info
<Rig4> ie, what form, cost, who to send it to......
<sitka> I wondered about the mailing aspect and if it was just supposed 
to be what could be found on the www
<chirho> oops, get out the glue!
<PBN> Aus. unfortunately doen,t keep census records
<Rig4> no, you can include info on FHC's
<sitka> ok......what is FHC? :)
<sitka> some kind of channel?
<Rig4> or anywhere you find to get info.....churches, courthouses, 
<Rig4> family history center
<sitka> thanks
<sitka> PBN  are you from AUS?
<PBN> Yes
<sitka> possum.......how's the weather there??????73 here today
<possum> Windy volunteers at an FHC.  i told her she would be great on FHC records
<PBN> &8 ans sunny
<Rig4> Any questions concerning any of the lessons so far?
<PBN> 78 i meant
<possum> I am going to stay here tonight for a while!!
<sitka> I sure am learning a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!
<PBN> I haven't quite got the hang of this weeks lesson
<Rig4> how's that?
<possum> Cause we are alll gone by the time she gets home. 
 Tuesday is the day she volunteerrs apparently and she is on the West Coast!!!
<PBN> I haven't spent much time on it
<chirho> You know, timeline for Ireland would make a neat project, too!
<Rig4> yes it would
<sitka> I got one histerical :) society in OH can't make up my mind about the other
<PBN> Good idea
<sitka> yes it would
<possum> There is one somewhere though.
<chirho> CelticKnot is in Ireland most of this class...
<sitka> my family tree CD has a time line....wars...presidents..etc...really good stuff
<chirho> We haven't heard from Batair
<Rig4> I haven't looked at this week's lesson yet,  
I'll get it after meeting....work has slowed me down this time around
<chirho> And PBN's doing convicts to AU
<possum> i sent in the bookmark to the Fianna site the 1st one the link site.
<PBN> I sent him an EMail
<chirho> Maybe sitka could do a timeline?
<PBN> No reply
<possum> However, I am not sure it is still up!!
<Rig4> sitka, does that CD include timeline for Ireland? or only your family
<sitka> oh oh.....I haven't looked yet this week...I was talking about last week's
<sitka> timeline is over many years...spanish american war..civil war...etc
<chirho> Right, but we need for Ireland :)  Could act as a table of
<sitka> if I remember correctly...it's just USA
<PBN> I must look on the net to see a Timeline
<Rig4> do you think you could work on one for Ireland?
<chirho> contents to the historical section of the guide! :)
<sitka> if I knew where to start..sure
<sitka> I suppose this is an extra project too?
<Rig4> I think you'd get a lot of info from the FHC, also your local library
<chirho> sitka, prehistory... Irish records (oral) handed down from the 500 or 600's BC
<Rig4> not necessarily
<chirho> Sitka, as your project this term :)
<chirho> Not a side project at all!  
<PBN> II don't mind helping Sitka
<chirho> Very important
<chirho> :)
<chirho> :)
<Rig4> that would be great you two....
<sitka> oh....you know there is a FHC not too far from where I live..
I just need the time to get there...
<chirho> Would use as TOC for the history section :) 
 Make item into link when someone does article on it :)
<sitka> Yes chirho....:)  :)
<PBN> Can you contact Batair chirho
<sitka> what's TOC?
<chirho> TAble of Contents
<sitka> ok
<sitka> how does one make a link?
<chirho> PBN, everyone gets the MOTD
<chirho> sitka, I make the links in the coding.  You give me the data!
<chirho> hehehehe  just send an email with the data arranged nicely
<sitka> oh...nicely now you want!
<chirho> yep!
<sitka> would you give me a starting point, please??????
<PBN> I will see what i can find about both subjects and email you sitka
<chirho> I try very hard to reproduce your input via the coding/
<sitka> thanks PBN
<chirho> 500 BC
<chirho> for real.
<chirho> see the ancient Irish names page.  
<sitka> you hhhhhhaaaaaaaavvvvveeeee to be kidding!
<sitka> where's that?
<chirho> on the fianna hideaway
<Rig4> it would be great to see you go as far back as you can......
.then, next term some one else can also add a few hundred years....
<chirho> check on the front page
<sitka> a few hundred years you want?
<sitka> and what kinds of things do "we" want on this timeline? 
<chirho> actually there's a site you can download the annals of the four masters from :)
<sitka> care to share?
<sitka> what four masters?
<sitka> I suppose you are one :)
<chirho> Main points in the early times... less than one per 
century until the scotia go to scotland.. a little more there
... then a few and the gallowglass, plantation, and so on in a tad more detail
<Rig4> battles, if you find info, rulers, major changes that 
affected how the country ran ie, the potato famine, what do you think chirho
<chirho> Don't let it get toooo involved.  Yep Rig4
<chirho> NOT all rulers, we already have a list :)
<PBN> Do you need web sites?
<sitka> please?
<chirho> Just ones that make big historical changes
<chirho> No, we need facts. :)  Have sites :)
<sitka> and since I'm looking...I must as well look long
<sitka> PBN...want to help...we'll do a duo
<PBN> That is good
<PBN> Righto!
<chirho> (Guess that adds sitka and PBN to the history fian as a ssubgroup?)
<PBN> Fine with me
<sitka> o.k.  I've got your e-mail...was that supposed to be ssubgroup?
<abbi--> Welcome :)
<Rig4> I do have some ruler info back to 678 AD from my husbands tree, 
if you need some names or I knkow of a web site with accurate info for 
that same family with variants in the names
<chirho> :)
<Rig4> let me knkkow if you get in a bind and if it would help you out
<sitka> 678 A.D.???????????
<sitka> anything will help us out
<PBN> It could be a good help
<possum> Chirho that is really great idea cause even if there is a timeline 
on the web using a linked timeline as a table of contenrs is  clevetr and unique idea
<chirho> sitka, the first important Irish thing was the coming from Spain in 
500 something BC!!!
<sitka> what?????????????
<possum> However, this is a history thing and I think you should give us sitka Hehehe
<chirho> hehe
<possum> We are the smallest Fian unfairrrrr!!
<sitka> possum.......want to join us?
<Rig4> possum, as good as you are YOU can handle it   :)
<possum> actually we are doing fine and organized!!!
<sitka> what project are you doing possum?
<possum> We will do information to back up your timeslines!!!
<abbi--> BUT, we'll make up in quality what we lack in quantity <big grin>
<possum> rigfennid abbi have you told them what we are doing????
<Rig4> no abbi hasn't
<sitka> told who?
<abbi--> Yes, but I was out for awhile.  so did everyone hear?
<Rig4> all of us
<sitka> what did we hear?
<Rig4> I didn't abbi....must have missed it
<abbi--> ok. We're researching the 1798 revolution.
<sitka> possum......have you ever been in Carthage? lots of history there!
<possum> Awhile ago there was a whole discussion on the Irish lists!!
<chirho> sitka, we'll do greece after you finish ireland
<chirho> hehehe
<possum> I don't think there is a lot on '98 on the web!!!
<Rig4> okay, abbi's covered, and possum....so is sitka and PBN what about you MCW?
<sitka> oh..you're talking about the Irish revolution
<MCW> and I am not sur what the migration group is doing
<chirho> Of course MCW could read the story of the Irish race and do the
 timeline from 1500 BC to 562 BC for sitka ;)
<chirho> possum, Story of the Irish... at mca site?
<Rig4> sitka and PBN, my email is far@means.net
<sitka> where is the mca site?
<possum> DH found the URL
<chirho> sitka, It's a site called Making America or something such, 
very nice, lots of social science and history books, papers, etc. 
online to download :)
<MCW> The other publication is 1899 Catholic Directory and Parish 
Gazetteer for the Diocese of montery and LA if any has a need to see
 if someone was registered in that year in any of the churches in the 
area I know we are In Ireland but just an offer
<chirho> :)
<Rig4> It sounds like we're off to another GREAT start with some great topics
<PBN> Anytime on Email it is 1200 Thursday midday now
<possum> http://www.vretail.com/history.htm
<possum> The story of the Irish race!!
<chirho> Sitka, I hope it helps to know that a timeline only names 
events and time they occurred..doesn't give all the details :)
<chirho> like:  1624 pilgrims landed///1772 Continential congres/// etc
<PBN> If we ever get out of 500bc in Ireland
<chirho> Actually, encylopedia britannica probably has more than you'd 
need for the time line :)
<sitka> sure.....now you tell us
<chirho> hehehe
<chirho> and did you see the example above?
<sitka> it was more fun the other way.......
<sitka> you mean the one about only events...not details?
<chirho> 1624 pilrims land at Plymouth rock//1772 Continental congress//
<sitka> 1,624 pilgrims landed at Plymouth? :)
<chirho> give or take a few ;)
<possum> Do you know that you can get Britanica free for a week??
<possum> I did that during break because I wanted to get a head start on my projects
<possum> really din't get much done  Where does the time goes
<sitka> possum...is that britanica on the web and how do we get to it?
<possum> I want to get Britanica on CD.  Much chaeaper that a subsriction!!
<possum> Actually I wannt the actual books butI have no place to put them
<possum> I have Encart but a have decided I NEED Britanica!!
<PBN> Encarta should have some of the info as well
<sitka> oh good...I have Encarta
<possum> sitka Encarta has a pretty good section on ireland 
<possum> Britanica is even more extensive
<sitka> but how do I find it?
<possum> An Encyclopedia would be just fine for a general overview!!!
<sitka> at least it's a place to start!
<possum> Actually you could sign up for the free week....
<sitka> want to share how and where?
<possum> Pick a week when you have some free time so you could really use it!!!
<sitka> good idea
<PBN> WWhen will that be
<possum> http://www.eb.com:193/freetrial/index.htm
<possum> Britannica seven day free trial 
<sitka> thanks possum! 
<possum> Groliers has a seven day free trial
<possum> http://publishing.grolier.com/gi/features/features.html
<sitka> you're really full of info aren't you?
<chirho> She's a whiz, sitka, always sending out the greatest URL's :)
<chirho> If you're not on Fianna l, join it to get her URL's :)
<MCW> chirho I thought I had signed up to receive Fiann1but havent 
received anything should I submit again The ont email I get is from you
<chirho> Well, MCW, did we end up with a Fianna project for you?  
Or is there some way you can do two writeups for one study?
<chirho> MCW, instructions for signing up are on the find page. 
 Notice the word request in the email addy to sign up :)
<chirho> http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/find.html
<possum> brb
<MCW> I am doing stuff with eo UK Kilt Quest but I dint know what 
the migration group is doing I chose that one cause
<MCW> I have a naturalization paper on my ggf and that is all
<chirho> We've done a whole lot on ships lists and stuff already,
have you had a chance to look it over?
<MCW> hopefully the info I get for one I will use also for the other
<possum> History Fian met at 7:00
<chirho> :)
<chirho> right before this :)
<MCW> Yes I get lost alot though when I search and have to keep 
reminding myself what I am really after:)
<chirho> that's the fun of research, isn't it? 
 All the neat stuff you find along the way?
<MCW> I love to search but I never find what I 
am looking for but I do learn alot of other info:)
<MCW> there is so much out there to see
<MCW> and places to go
<chirho> that's the spirit, MCW :)
<chirho> MCW is looking for great things and finding lots of good ones along the way
<chirho> and I'm still laughing!
<Rig4> got a message from JLedit who is asking to change groups...and or do two topics
<chirho> a split person, eh?  :)
<chirho> :)  What does JLedit want to do?
<Rig4> Is listed under Migration.....
<chirho> cause we got no answer to the request for signups
<Rig4> He didn't say what topic he wanted to do.....
I referred him to you....explanation was the computer 
has been down for a while and just got it back up
<chirho> did you get the email addy?  If so, please email it to me.  
Got a bounce at aol.com... don't have new one
<chirho> k.  Thanks
<Rig4> JLedit@aol.com
Session Close: Tue May 05 19:30:08 1998