Session Start: Fri Oct 30 16:20:10 1998
* Logging #sosstudy to '#sosstudy10_30.log'
<eagle> PSP Classmates page can be found at.
<eagle> http://www.angelfire.com/in/cseats/psp.html

<roz^> Before we start... can I ask how to keep mIRC *on top?*
<eagle> put it on desktop you mean? so it is open off off the main mirc screen?
<eagle> roz to put to desktop and minimize the main mirc window do this
<eagle> click on the grey box next to the #sosstudy in the topic bar
<eagle> click oh desktop if it does not have a check next to it
<eagle> that will allow you to now minimize the main mirc window
<roz^> I just checked desktop... What I want to do is be able to open PSP and mIRC
 at the same time and have mIRC screen *on top* of PSP so that I can see both! 
 Can this be done?
<Kinkell> do that again roz and tick "on top"

<Kinkell> a funny url for you all http://www.wirefire.com/seakle/58netcrashpg.htm
<eagle> Roz @ your vet and mem pages. You can have them both at one community by just 
giving them a different extension. 
<eagle> did you figure that out already? I have been away and not sure where lots
 of folks are
<roz^> No Eagle I had given up on that as I got two message back from my contacts 
at Xoom and they said that I can either create an index page to my memorial day and 
vets pages or create a new account.  But at this time there is NO way to have two 
pages in one community!
<eagle> yes at geocities do like I do
<eagle> I have tons of pages there and they can all stand alone
<roz^> I don't understand what you mean about having a different extension. 
 Can you give me an example?  When I tried to register the pages *the old* one that 
IS registered in the community comes up!  If I overright that it will be taken out
 from what I understand by Xoom.
<roz^> They said that my situation seems to be unique as most people do not 
register two pages in one community usually.
<eagle> ok you have to have an index page whereever you go but that doesnt 
mean you have to use it for anything
<z-Augustus> roz, I have a server I use and it has an index page, I also am 
putting my xmas card there
<eagle> Do like this upload the html for vets page and it will have name like 
this http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3421/veterans.htmal
<eagle> and
<roz^> At Xoom it seems that they do not do it by page URL but by YOUR USERNAME...
 which in this case is *web_lady!*
<eagle> another page named have name like this 
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3421/memorial.html
<z-Augustus> xoom has changed their policy all link must go thru the index page
<eagle> but not at geo
<roz^> Augustus, what do you mean Xoom has changed their policy about the index page?
  I do not understand.  All links to where?
<z-Augustus> I think xoom does not allow links to html page other than thru the 
index page
<DownEast> Agustus Geocities has always had that policy, but rarely enforced.
<roz^> Augustus, I usually *do* use an index page *for each* folder as I understand
 that people cannot look in the directory if you have one...
<Leapin> that is right roz
<Leapin> I was able to tap into a few directories because they had no index page lol
<DownEast> ROZ:  That differs from server to server.  Some will permit viewing the
 directory on servers, others will not.
<roz^> Thanks DownEast!
<z-Augustus> Ive never tried to look at anyones directory
<Leapin> interesting directories :)
<roz^> I found out just last week that strangers CAN .. ftp to sites on AOL without
 even having the passwords and look in yoiur entire AOL directory.
<DownEast> Augustus, you can't if there's an index.html in that directory.
<DownEast> Roz, that's a mighty serious AOL policy goof!  IMHO
<roz^> I know DownEast, but what can I do about it.  It seems to be well known
 on the HTML Discussion lists.
<Leapin> let's cover captures using psp
<roz^> I was not happy when I heard that.
<DownEast> .....er does roz have a question?
<roz^> People CAN move your entire site...  NOT move but copy!

<a-sherrymom> can you re-select text?
<Leapin> yes sherrymom if the image was not closed you can...
<Leapin> use the undo feature
<Leapin> and pick undo unselect
<a-sherrymom> okay, thanks
<Leapin> if your image was closed, and reopened later the only way to select
 the text
<Leapin> would be to use the magic wand, and that would only be successfull if 
the background
<Leapin> was solid or at least a non complicated one
<Leapin> if the text was solid
<Leapin> you could also select it with the magic wand

<a-quiltermom> dumb question here. The exercise with the colored circles and the
 background. I was supposed to drag each circle onto the background
<a-quiltermom> and the layers pallete
<a-quiltermom> was supposed to show each layer being added
<Leapin> so far so good
<a-quiltermom> and label them layer 1 layer 2 etc
<Leapin> yes
<Leapin> actually I think you were suppose to name them by colour
<a-quiltermom> wait a minute
<Leapin> k
<a-quiltermom> my layers pallete only showed the one that was the active one at 
the time and disregarded the ones under it.
<a-quiltermom> To get them to all be labeled I had to copy and paste as new layer.
<a-quiltermom> I couldn't get it to show up any other way.
<Leapin> quiltermom do you mean when you opened each individually?
<a-quiltermom> yes
<Leapin> before dragging one by one into the larger image?
<a-quiltermom> yes
<Leapin> that is normal, when you open an image
<Leapin> it creates its own button on the layer palette
<Leapin> if you open another image, it again creates a button on a layer palette
<Leapin> to combine the two images into the same layer palette
<Leapin> you have to either...
<Leapin> drag the button of one, into the image of the other
<Leapin> or copy one image to clip board, then activate the other and do edit/paste
<Leapin> that will make two buttons appear in the ONE layer palette
<Leapin> is this making sense?
<a-quiltermom> I did the dragging thing.
<Leapin> okay and what happened when you dragged?
<a-quiltermom> The one I dragged was the only one that was showing on the layers 
pallete.
<a-quiltermom> The ones already there disappeared.
<Leapin> hmm did you drag the button or the image?
<Leapin> you have to drag the button, not the image
<a-quiltermom> I dragged the button. At the top...right?
<a-quiltermom> It worked when I copied and pasted
<Leapin> it should work either way
<Leapin> here...
<Leapin> open an image
<Leapin> open another image
<Leapin> both 16 million colours
<Leapin> now click on the first image
<Leapin> to activate it
<Leapin> open the layers palette
<Leapin> by pressing L (only if it is not showing already)
<Leapin> now in the layer palette of that image there is a button
<Leapin> most likely labeled layer1
<Leapin> drag that button
<Leapin> into the second image you opened
<Leapin> now click on the second image
<Leapin> it should now have two buttons
<Leapin> in the layer palette
<Leapin> you can now close image 1 and image 2 (the single button images)
<Leapin> and work with the double button image
<a-quiltermom> Nope just one here
<Leapin> very strange quiltermom
<a-quiltermom> It must be me.......
<Leapin> yes but I don't know what it could be
<Leapin> when you drag the button over, are you making sure not to let go of
 the mouse button
<a-quiltermom> I'll try some more after class - thanks
<Leapin> at any point?
<a-quiltermom> I let go when I get inside the first image
<Leapin> quiltermom okay, we will keep trying it as well until you have success
<Leapin> that is the right time to let go
<a-quiltermom> thank you
<Leapin> it is easier to drag
<Leapin> so it is important we get it working for you

<DownEast> Leapin, I have a question.  I need to create a cylinder, like the
 neck at the the top of christmas ball.
<DownEast> Where should I start?
<Leapin> DownEast the easiest way I can think of
<Leapin> is to try the cylinder deformation tool
<Leapin> under images/deformations I believe
<Leapin> there is a cylinder filter there
<DownEast> I've tried that... 8-(  Can't get it to work.
<Leapin> that does a fairly good job
<Leapin> hmm
<Leapin> do you make a selection first?
<DownEast> I need the top and bottom rounded.
<Leapin> in the area you want cylinderized?
<DownEast> Yes, I filled in an area of colour.
<Leapin> hmm
<Otter> DE -- try making a "cylinder button" on it's side and then rotate it
 90 degrees!
<DownEast> Cylinder button????
<DownEast> .... maybe my blond roots are showing.
<Otter> like a regular button but in the shape of a cylinder lying on its side!
<Leapin> DE there is a really good tutorial on cylinders
<Leapin> at the button hole site
<Leapin> it makes cylinder pipes sort of
<Leapin> using layers
<Leapin> do you have that url?
<DownEast> That sounds like what I need.  No, don't have URL
<Leapin> hang on let me search it out 
<Leapin> http://home.gzinc.com/newdawn/
<DownEast> Okay, here's the question I jumped on....<A-scriby> If you are 
creating something where you want several layers, is it possible to save the 
layers as separate images?
<A-scriby> yes.  trying to create a layered image thing for director.
<Leapin> scriby the only way I have found so far (there may be another way)
 is to copy the layer
<A-scriby> a project where each layer needs to add up to 1 image
<Leapin> and then past as a new image
<Leapin> and save it
<A-scriby> that makes sense.  but can i do a new layer, say trace and save that
<A-scriby> layer as a new image?
<Leapin> not that I know of
<Leapin> you could merge what you have
<Leapin> and than use Save Copy AS
<A-scriby> k
<Leapin> and then with the original do Undo merge
<Leapin> to take you back to where you were
<Leapin> that would leave a copy on the hard drive
<Leapin> plus the original unsaved layered image
<Leapin> I don't know if this is what you meant though
<Leapin> ?
<A-scriby> that might do it
<A-scriby> i'm doing a director project where i need layers of images that
<A-scriby> merge into 1 image so that each layer can be
<A-scriby> activated w/ a script
<Leapin> hmm only .psp and .psd files save layers unmerged
<A-scriby> ok
<Leapin> in original layer format
<Leapin> any other Flattens the layers to make them one
<Leapin> and that cannot be undone
<A-scriby> yeah.  i guess i want something that's like layers of tracing
<A-scriby> paper that stays in separate sheet.
<Leapin> you could make an animation?
<Leapin> by making frames
<Leapin> I am not sure if that would work?
<A-scriby> that could work.  frames.  i'll look into it.
<A-scriby> thanks
<Leapin> psp comes with an animation program

<a-roz^> I just did the exervise that you had quiltermom do with the two new 
graphics images.  I opened one, had the layers pallette open and then opened 
the second.  Activated one and then dragged the button to the other image. 
 Then had two layers as you predicted.  What I did not have was the button 
layer called *image!*  All my buttons ARE called background!  What did I do
 wrong here?
<Leapin> k
<Leapin> roz nothing wrong...
<Leapin> when you open a .jpg image 
<Leapin> psp will automatically call it background
<Leapin> if you open a .psp image or a new transparent canvas
<Leapin> psp defaults to calling the button layer1
<Leapin> it NEVER calles it image
<Leapin> it is either background or layer1
<a-roz^> I thought that you were further up that it would be called *image 1!*
<Leapin> roz no layer1 then layer2 or background1 then background2
<Leapin> in one excercise it did something weird
<a-roz^> I see... sorry!
<Leapin> called it layer1 then layer1 2
<Leapin> I do not know why it did that
<a-roz^> Obviously I did not get to fool with this yet
<Leapin> maybe a bug
<Leapin> hehe roz you got caught now doing the homework hehehe
<a-roz^> <ROTFL>
* Leapin gives roz 2 demarits
<Leapin> hehe
<a-roz^> I at least looked at the pages.  I really do want to do the 
homework as the stuff that you cover
<a-roz^> <correction>
<a-roz^> covered is just want I want to be able to do
<Leapin> roz it will be lots of fun
<Leapin> layers usually are
<a-roz^> Thanks Leapin.  I do not have further questions! 
 Just wanted to knwo if there will be an advanced class after this one or even 
a repeat of this one?
<Leapin> roz this one will be repeated for sure
<Leapin> not sure about the advanced

<DownEast> http://www.sumrallworks.com/freebies/buttonhole/psp/tutorials/link2g.htm
<DownEast> That's button hole
<Leapin> I think by lesson 6 people will not need an advanced lol
<DownEast> no cylinder....  8-(
* Leapin thinks people will kill my in lesson 6
<A-soapy> why is it when I first open a picture, (mountain scape scene) 
it is very large. Then, when I paste it as a new layer, it comes in very small?
<Leapin> haha
<Leapin> soapy it is probably zooming in on its own
<Leapin> it really is not smaller
<A-soapy> yes, but how can I change the zoom of one item?
<Leapin> you need to zoom to 1:1 ratio
<Leapin> soapy I believe under preferences
<Leapin> you can change a setting so it automatically views to fit screen
<Leapin> look for something like "fit to window"
<A-soapy> I finished my lesson except for making one up. Will have it
 finished tomorrow. Oh, ok. I'll check it. thanks
<Leapin> k soapy I look forward to seeing it :)
<a-scriby> Leapin, tried something and it worked.  On first layer, add a 
new layer.  Draw.  Copy.  Paste to new image.  You only get the top layer!  It works!
<Leapin> I figured it would scriby :)
<a-scriby> you can make as many images as you want if you start with the bottom.
<Leapin> now if you activate another layer in that image, you can copy that one
<Leapin> and then paste as new image
<Leapin> right :)
<a-scriby> cool.  thanks.  bye
<Leapin> does anyone else have questions?
<Leapin> step forward if so
<Leapin> with the excellent jobs I've seen it is obvious that everyone
 caught on to layers very well

<Peanuts1> DE do we still have an alumni page for mirc

<DownEast> Want to see some beautiful Christmas Balls? 
   http://www.sumrallworks.com/freebies/holiday/

<z-roz^> Leapin, just wanted to know where the downloads are for *all* 
the exervises?
<DownEast> It's on eagles page now
*** z-scriby is now known as scriby
<Leapin> granny wicked posted them on her site
<eagle>  Logs and notes from this class can be found at:
<eagle> http://members.tripod.com/~MCW_2/EagelsNest/psp
<z-roz^> Eagle is that the URL for the downloads?

<oz1> I just by accident got a screen that gives current image information. 
How did I get that?
<DownEast> It's one of the shortcut keys that you must have pressed by accident.
<eagle> when you went to where you 'view source'
<eagle> it is an option there

<lindy> yes..I do
<eagle> To Register your nick type
<eagle>  /msg NickServ REGISTER your password Your e-mail address
<eagle> For example:  /msg nickserv register secretword myname@hotmail.com
<eagle> you add your own email addy
<Leapin> just never give anyone your password
<eagle> and your own password no longer than 8 characters
<eagle> To have any user that uses your nick disconnected if they dont match 
your access mask
<eagle>  and dont know your nick password, set kill on.
<eagle> Type this:  /msg NickServ  SET KILL  ON
<eagle> just type that here and now
<Kinkell> tell her how to identify too
<pax> wow she sure gets testy at this hour
<eagle> -NickServ- *** lindy is Linda
<eagle> -NickServ- (Currently Online) For more info type /whois lindy
<eagle> -NickServ- Last seen address: jordan_l@203.42.254.***
<eagle> -NickServ- Last seen time   : 10/31/98 02:25:38 GMT
<eagle> -NickServ- Time registered  : 10/31/98 02:25:38 GMT
<eagle> -NickServ- Time now         : 10/31/98 02:25:53 GMT
<eagle> -NickServ- *** End of nick info ***
<eagle> lindy if you do get registered you will receive a message in your
 status screen to that effect
<lindy> I have been registered as lindy

<Peanuts1> Eagle which of your url's has the mirc alumni page
<eagle>  IRC Alumni page for resources and other useful mIRC info
<eagle>  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3421/cover.html
<Peanuts1> Thanks eagle

<pax> but if I go into windows explorer and check psp and images it does
<Leapin> the download must be corrupt
<Leapin> other people have opened it, so the original is okay
<Leapin> on the geo site anyway
<pax> it will open up in psp if I do it that way but not directly from psp
<pax> is there some way that I can move it to the new folder that 
you told us to open?
<pax> maybe that is what I did wrong when it asked where I wanted it saved
 I just said psp
<Leapin> it is a .zip file and psp cannot open .zip files
<Leapin> that is where I am stuck
<pax> not psp images or graphics
<pax> yes
<pax> it came as a zip file I think
<Leapin> and then you opened it?
<pax> yes
<Leapin> and downloaded to a folder?
<Leapin> extracted I mean
<pax> no I don't think so I just said save to psp and when I double click
 it will open and psp opens
<pax> am I making any sense?
<MrBones> pax did you save to your main psp folder?
<pax> am I still here?
<pax> or did we split again
<Leapin> pax eagel might be better at answering this one
<pax> I think to my main psp but it won't open there when I am in 
the program
<MrBones> if you did or whereever you saved it to you can go 
to explorer and move it to the images folder ot the vuwork folder or
 wherever you want to open it from
<pax> if I am in the psp program and I open the folder I just 
get the folder that they give you with the butterflies
<pax> I don't get the ones that I downloaded.
<MrBones> I have made a vu folder where I am putting all the 
images I make and unzip and opening them with a browse
<pax> kinkell when I sent them to you last night where did you
 save them too
<Kinkell> my puter
<pax> I know that but where?
<Kinkell> and then opened into graphics folder
<Kinkell> let me look
<pax> so can I move them to that folder?
<Kinkell> saved to d:\psp\pspclass
<MrBones> yes pax
<MrBones> just like you drag anything Just drag them to your 
picture folder
<pax> ok then I will try and work it out tomorrow and if I can't
 I'll
 pick some ones brain tomorrow night

<pax> In lesson 1 how do I stop those marching ants as GW calls them 
from going around
<pax> when I use the freehand tool
<Leapin> pax you would have to remove the selection
<pax> ?
<Leapin> by clicking anywhere but on the selected area
<Leapin> or going to Selections/Select None
<pax> I tried that and they won't stop
<Leapin> those moving dots are known as the selection marquee
<pax> I keep waiting for them to get tired
<Leapin> right click
<Leapin> on the image
<Leapin> but not in the actual selection
<pax> oh I keep doing the left
<Leapin> that would explain it :)
<pax> ok I'll try that and see what happens thanks
<MrBones> Kink happen to have granny d/l site handy?
<Kinkell-away> http://users.townsqr.com/mwkwicked/
Session Close: Fri Oct 30 19:27:16 1998