Session Start: Fri Nov 06 21:06:09 1998 * Logging #sosstudy to '#sosstudy.log' oriole it normally does not matter the tube normally goes transparent automatically did you select the items first? I think so... or paste them into the transparent canvas with the background of the image still on? I think that's what I did. It isn't so much the tube, but the entire .gif (text and all) that's white oh oriole I think I see the problem you are not suppose to save as a .gif you are suppose to file/export and than pick picture tube I did that. I meant when I created a new image and added the exported tube. oh than it is probably what I mentioned first, the background of each image has to be cut away first by selecting the item and than copying it, and pasting as new image this will eliminate the background of that item do that for all items you indent to use in the tube file they will then be automatically transparent when you use them in psp, no matter what the color of the background image oriole are you still here? I understand. Think my problem is the new image, not the tube... something I knew but forgot. I made my tubes, opened a transparent canvas, added the tubes & text, and saved as a .gif. On my blue web page the .gif background is white. Should I have opened the canvas to match the foreground color? okay oriole I think i see it now you mean you made your tube file and then you used that tubes set to make an image you saved that image as a .gif loaded it to the web and now it has a white background is that correct? Right! okay... here is what to do... open the .gif in psp use the eyedropper tool and right click on the white background now go to Color Color=Colors pick Set Palette Transparency when the window opens pick the middle option by clicking in the circle I think it says something like... set the current background color to transparent now save your .gif file again you can see if it worked in psp by clicking.. Colors/View transparent Color or something like that...not sure of the exact wording if it turns to a checker board background then you were successful upload your image and you should be fine Thanks, Leapin! Was there any way to avoid the problem in the first place? oriole, not really, I probably would have started with a background color the same as my page, or a transparent if you choose the transparent canvas when you save as .gif you still have to go through the setting of the transparent color if you choose the color very close to your background of your web page you can leave the .gif as is but I find setting a transparent color to be the most effective because it is hard to match RGB and HEX (html colors) perfectly they are always slightly off, with the exception of white and black When you make a transparent .gif should you select the background and make it transparent before adding any type of effects (i.e. drop shadow). Sorry, I'm a few lessons behind!! :) LBear no do all your editing first in 16 million colors then save as .gif if you want transparency in the web browser i tried that but ended up with white still in the pic when posted to the web page a lot of filters only work if the image is 16 million colors Here they come anipsi lbear sometimes you have to make absolutely sure that white is really white sometimes a filter may change the white to an off white which you cannot notice i started with a new image with a white background. I added text with a drop shadow k what was the blur set to? and when i changed the white to transparent i don't remember around 5 or so if you blur a drop shadow on a white (or any color) background it blurs into that white that's what i was wondering - anytime you want something transparent you can't use blur? for the drop shadow When adding a drop shadow to text, if you use a background color close to the background of your page and then make it transparent, you won't see the white around the edge of the shadow! lbear what I normally suggest..and we cover this next lesson...is that you do your drop shadow on a transparent layer yeah, except i never know ahead of time what color my background is going to be! LOL and your text on another transparent layer AH! and i thought i was behind!! LOL then save your image as a .psp image until you know for sure what background color you will be placing it on ok - thanks then add a layer the color of your background merge the layers and save as .gif with the background set to transparent that outta fix the problem But my rose has a gray background on it and I don't know why...how can I get the background off of it now? okay your question.. is the rose a .gif file? I'm checking now... k gif okay open it in psp select the eyedropper tool right click on the grey background to set the background color in psp to grey now click on Colors and Select Set palette transparency color when the window opens pick the middle option which I think says something like... Set transparency color to current background setting click ok save the file again presto done < < I know text is coming in a later lesson but I would like to know how to make the text look sharp. Mine all seem to be soft around the edges. oz is feather turned to O oz1 sorry was the feather on? I don't see anyplace for feather when you use the letter tool. if not, try your text without antialias on, and see if you like it better that way it's antialias Ok-I will try it that way. What about when you use effects on the text. Will that make a difference? oz you could try the unsharp mask and/or sharpen to see if that gets rid of some of the fuzzies Ok-thanks leapin oz do you mean when you use a filter your images are always fuzzy? or just sometimes? my question is about contraction on the dog.gif, when I use 4 it doesn't keep all that is selected a part of the gif. then when I do the feather out less 1, it still is not selected, do I do the tail and waggling parts seperate after I do the body parts? Most of the time. It is like they would look sharper with a border around them or something. oz that is strange.. there must be a setting out of whack somewhere I will play with it till I figure it out. Thanks oz sorry I could not be of more help, I never saw that happen before :( * Otter tells oz1 to try a different style, "simple" font and see if the same thing happens!!! you may have to reduce the number of contract to let's say 3 ???? gw I think you are suppose to work in 16 million if I recall correctly I tried leapin, but the waggly parts are only 1 pixel, in some areas, that is why I asked about doing them after, or do I need to expand them out first? When I did 3 I didn't get them or the tongue either, so tried 2 it was better but still no waggle parts I did 16 mill leapin hold down your Shift key and click on the waggly parts to add to the selection yeap did that too but some areas are only 1 pixel do I need to add more pixels to them? make them a little bigger if you must gmta :) okay just wondering, thanks I will work on it again tonight, got to frustrated last night you could also use another image that is not so small it is easier to work on a larger image also I can't figure out how to make the inside one color and the outside another when it is selected and inverted gw did you hit the del key several times? I tried the bucket, didn't work, so did air spray can and paint brush, but it just isn't coming out right that normally does the trick yes, tried that too, and liked that effect I will put a a few on my site for you to see, but don't laugh okay? will try and get them up by tommarrow GW on your flood fill did you make sure opacity was 100 heheeheheh and tolerance 200? aw, maybe that was the problem that should fill a selection quite well THIS DISCUSSION WITH HOLLY IS SCREWY. They were talking about 2 different things. LOL

Where can i go to not have windows color selected,maybe that is why I can not find med cut. thanks granny holly under the same window as nearest color daaaaahhhh and medium cut not there lost' holly it might not be called exactly that but it says something about windows windows palette please back up system colors something to that effect it is on the right hand side of that window near the bottom it will be greyed out if the top option is not selected I wish I could open psp right now, but I can't :( leapin are you speaking of the decrease color depth box? and to uncheck the include windows' colors box? yes granny uncheck the include windows colors do you see that holly? in the box, called decrease color depth -256 on the right side? there is a box that should not be checked? under colors, decrease colors, i only have a choice of numbers holly what does your box say at the top of it? I have lot of windows open now?? histogram layers nope don't need histogram okay holly go to the color drop down list, go down to decrease color depth, and click on it right leapin? is that the direction holly is to go? gw that would work too okay but I was trying to show her when she has a .jpg open and wants to save it as a .gif aw I see it is all done at that time save as or save copy as it doesn't give you any options except to decrease to 256 when you save jpg as gif select .gif from the drop menu I tried save save as savec copy os and not med tones anywhere holly did you have a .jpg open yes and then did Save Copy As and then selected .gif from the file type drop down menu then ok did not fisnih cuz no mid tone box psp automatically opens that window before it does the conversion from .jpg to .gif because it wants to give you a chance to change they type of color replacement it is to use maybe I am not saving in PSP, but in my psp class folder the folder has nothing to do with it i'm sorry Leapin, but i just tried it and all it does is decrease the colors without any option box here also leapin, I just ran one too too strange okay I have to take the risk lol I am opening psp the only time it gives you the option box is when you go to decrease colors okay the first windows says.. because of the limitations of the specified file format...blah blah it goes on click ok I do get that yikes it does'nt either it must only be from .psp to .gif let me check that one I can decrease colors then save in gif, but that does not give mid color option nope nope it's the box to the far right in the decrease colors that says "options" and has the use windows color option it does not either with .psp will get on the decrease color depth, holly a place to check for optimized mediam cut - nearest color and uncheck the include window's colors it has to be done under decrease colors my mistake folks :( with your .jpg open click on Colors and selected Decrease color depth 256 colors (8 bit) when you click ok that window will open where you can set the options I was discussing earlier nope leapin, just a lot to learn and remember that is all med cut and nearest color are selected I should or NOT check incl windows color now uncheck on the right side of that box holly the one that says windows colors should NOT include windows colors it does a terrible job OK sorry about the confusion holly I got mixed up going from memory END OF CONFUSION *VBG* I got 256 color, but is it still jpg? now you have to do save as and select .gif from the file type drop down menu to save it as a .gif once done AHHHHH worth the trouble did it work holly? It worked and it has no white ditehering! yeah! Session Close: Fri Nov 06 22:38:21 1998