JUST A NOTE HERE: THESE LOGS ARE NO WHERE NEAR HOW MUCH I USUALLY EDIT OUT THE NEXT WILL BE EDITED EVEN MORE SEVERLY.Also urls that are repeated over and over will not be here but in the URL link. *** Zonie changes topic to 'Advanced Web Design: Style and Substance' jbr> Guest 649 where are you from? I am from Trenton mamabear2> can any one tell me how to get here by using mirc Zonie> links to get mIRC, and step-by-step instructions with screen shots, of how to get to VU chatsfor mIRC help, tips, Popups, Scripts, Aliases, Remotes and more. A mIRC approved site. Zonie> there is a current list of servers and class channels for VU here also Zonie> http://members.xoom.com/flfry/ mamabear2> ok will try again is there a class to night for web design Zonie> Advanced Web Design: Style and Substance . . . . . Tuesdays, 7-8:30pm (Pacific) current time is 6:48 PM PST Zonie> Links to Tutorials, Cyber Schools, Web supplys, and more Zonie> http://www.cynetcity.com/cyberzone/106/ Zonie> if you are someone you know is on crutches. Zonie> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/crutchaids/ Zonie> for help on NotePad+ and Ws_ftp Zonie> http://home.onestop.net/flfry/ Zonie> http://members.xoom.com/flfry/ Zonie> http://www.earthonline.net/public/flfry/index.html Bev> If you bought PSP recently, they'll send you the upgrade for free. Augustus> mine is old jimbird> I just got PSP 4 about a month ago. Richard^> Is the shareware version now extinct? greta> yes think so Augustus> I dont know greta> it expires after so many days now Richard^> Progress marches on :( Augustus> Pegasus marches on Richard^> Haven't tried 3.0 of Pegasus yet...letting you guys get all the bugs out of the beta first! Otter> Shareware still works if you still have it!!! But no upgrades for it! Augustus> is 3.0 out now it wont have many bugs Augustus> Richard how much is Pegasus 3.0 Zonie> you 2 are on the list now LOL Richard^> Pegasus 3.0 beta is free, I hadn't heard that David Harris had gone to fee, but anything is possible. greta> what is Pegasus ?? Augustus> Pegasus is the best email program on the internet wwwdot> I am glad the teacher did not pick my page as as one of the examples of bad web design jbr> me too, lol Richard^> Glad she didn't pick a VU page!!! kayroller> me to wwwdot> Maybe it is because she hasn't seen it Augustus> wwwdot, I sent it in wwwdot> As a bad one? Richard^> That's what I meant LOL Ghatten> LOL I was really glad she did not pick MINE!!!! Augustus> I sent my own in as a good one AngieDixon> Sorry I'm late. I forgot that my hard drive crash wiped out Mirc. So I'm here in the browser for tonight. AngieDixon> Hi, everyone. Remember, this is my first time as a teacher, so you guys have to go easy on me. Right? That's the rule, right? AngieDixon> I'm standing. And there are lots of questions I don't know the answer to, but I bet I can give you AN answer :> AngieDixon> Okay. I guess we should get started. Any questions? Augustus> are you going to post all the responces you got to the homework Augustus> good and bad pages AngieDixon> Augustus--I had not thought of that, but it sounds like a good idea. Nan> are we to email the assignment to you? Augustus> to the VU address AngieDixon> Yeah, just email it to me. I haven't had time to look at any of them, but I have received them, & will look at them tomorrow. anna1> are we supposed to have the homework done by this time each week? Ghatten> WB Zonie greta> its only tuesday ???? wwwdot> When is homework due greta> when did this start ??? wwwdot> I just got the lesson AngieDixon> I am not going to be picky abou the homework. Most of it you won't even turn in. AngieDixon> I did want to see the good & bad examples. * eagel invites you to Come visit my page at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3421/ AngieDixon> I will look at the other parts of this week's assignment for anyone who wants me to--but it may not be immediate. AngieDixon> I noticed a lot of people are in study groups; that seems like a good way to get "feedback" on the assignments without weighting down your poor instructor. Augustus> http://www.ktc.com/personal/lee/mpierce.html AngieDixon> BUT. I will look over anything you'd like me to. Augustus> is there a link where one can get good color cordinationls Ghatten> Is there a "Due date" for homework AngieDixon> Due date for homework. I think if you get it done by the next lesson date, you AngieDixon> Okay, I'm caught up. Sorry. The next question was about CEU's. That's in the class schedule, hang on one. AngieDixon> CEU's have to be applied for by May 24, according to the schedule. Dowie> Angie anyone not having a question puts a z- in front of their nick AngieDixon> Okay. Richard? Question? AngieDixon> Yes. Questions. Granny? *** Seraphina is now known as z-Seraphina Granny-Wicked> yes angie, on lesson one you said to get an idea of a new page to do I want to do about my company do I have to worry about copyright laws? AngieDixon> I bet I can anticipate this one. AngieDixon> Yes, you can re-vamp an existing page. AngieDixon> Oh. Guess that's what I get for thinking :> Granny-Wicked> he doesn't have one yet, he siad if I was good enough he would get a site for it AngieDixon> Copyright laws. That's a good question. Hmm. If you use existing materials of theirs, you will need to get their permission. So, your boss has given you permission to do the site, & will be providing the information? I don't see a problem. Granny-Wicked> okay I have his permission, but do I also need permission from the things we sell? ie products or do I make links to thier sites? AngieDixon> Hmm. That's a toughie. You might check & find out what kind of "licenses" you have. I.e., if I sell Microsoft software, I have the right to use those images in my advertising. Why don't you email me with more details & I'll see what I can find out specifically regarding this case. When we get an "answer," we'll put it on the boards for everyone. wwwdot> I am a meber of an organization. If I make a homepage for that organization, do I need their permission? wwwdot> If so, from whom? Do I need a hard copy? AngieDixon> wwwdot, it kind of depends on the organization. If it's something small or informal, you could probably just say, "Hey, guys, I'm doing a home page. Anyone want to contribute?" If it's a larger group, you might talk to the "leader." AngieDixon> Sorry, Kayroller, I missed that second one. URL from magazines? I think I lost part of that one. Kayroller> I would like to do a page on disabilities and thing people with disabilities can do so can I take url from maginzines to page add to page AngieDixon> Oh. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan, to surf to other sites, find links, & put them on your page. In fact, (warning, cogent point coming up) Kayroller> or do I need to ask for permission to add to page AngieDixon> Providing good links to other resources is a GREAT way to build traffic. The Mining Co. makes a living (a good one) at that. AngieDixon> As far as I know, to just link to someone, there's no need to request permission; only if you're using their work would you need "permission." Kayroller> ok thankyou AngieDixon> Noel? Noel> Will we have active study groups in this class? Email too? Or just send lesson one to you? What's the process going to be here? AngieDixon> There are several study groups starting up, there's a lot of information on the boards on those. You can be in a study group & interact with them; I'll try to be active on the boards, & I'll look over anything people want me to, as time allows. There are some email study groups & some "chat" groups. Augustus> Id like to make a stagement Augustus> kayroller can link to my page if she wants to AngieDixon> Someone asked earlier about color coordination. Ghatten has a URL about that...This URL has some info about selecting colors and looks at some combinations... http://raven.ubalt.edu/Images/colors/pagecolor_resources.html#advice AngieDixon> Linda? jazsl> "graphics always have halos around them" explain please. AngieDixon> Oh. You know how sometimes you'll visit a site & there are fuzzy edges on the graphics? In fact, I hate to admit it, but I have two like that right now at www.signasoft.com, I didn't realize it & haven't had time to fix them.The reason for my two are that I took two images which had a white background, made it transparent, & put it on a black background. If I had used a BLACK background behind them & made THAT transparent, AngieDixon> no halo. AngieDixon> That's the short explanation. AngieDixon> Clarke? wwwdot> I have a graphic that I use for certificates. I swiped it off the web. When I enlarged it, the edges were fuzzy. Can it be fixed? And if so, how? wwwdot> I did it again wwwdot> Sorry AngieDixon> No problem. I'll come back, okay? wwwdot> I can't help hitting enter after I have finished typing something AngieDixon> Okay, Dot. I'd have to see the picture to be sure, but I have some guesses. AngieDixon> 1. If you change the background behind it (paint shop pro or even Windows Paint are great for that) to more closely match yours, that might work. AngieDixon> If the background is not the problem, it COULD be that it just needs sharpening. AngieDixon> Okay. You took an image off the web & you're using it in a non-web app. Try increasing the resolution, that might help. wwwdot> I make certificates for speakers to our organization z-ghattenAFK> hey, good idea teach AngieDixon> If you send me a copy also I'll see if I can tell. My imagination has trouble with stuff like this. wwwdot> I don't know what that means AngieDixon> Okay. Most web images are at a low resolution--typically 72 dpi. That means there are 72 dots on every inch. That's about what most monitors display. But when you PRINT, you usually use at least 300 dpi. Using a graphic editing program, you can usually increase the resolution. This will make the image smaller, though, so you'll probably want to enlarge it after that. Are you following me so far? wwwdot> I don't have a graphic editing program at present, but Augie does, and I can get one AngieDixon> Off-hand I can't remember how to do that in Paint Shop Pro, but I bet if you increase the resolution before you enlarge it, it will look better. I'll be glad to look at it. AngieDixon> Paint Shop Pro is a free download & then it's shareware which you need to register if you keep it. AngieDixon> You're right. If you want to keep Paint Shop Pro, you'll have to register, because it will die. AngieDixon> Mamabear? mamabear2> Is there any good program to change the background of pictures that we have taken out of a book. AngieDixon> It kind of depends. If you want to change a color that only appears in the background, doing "replace color" (I think PS Pro does that, right?) works. But if you have, say, a black & white picture of a book, & want just the outside white areas to be transparent, you could use Windows Paint or Paint Shop Pro & do paint buckets of another color in those areas. They have to be enclosed areas, though, if there are breaks in the lines you'll get the whole thing changing. Does that make sense? I haven't been using Paint Shop Pro long, I used to use another program, so I'm not very familiar with it. AngieDixon> I've actually had lots of success with Windows paint because it's "color-dumb." AngieDixon> No fancy anti-ailasing or anything, it just paints. z-Granny-Wicked> in psp you can select a color and make it transparent also angie z-wwwdot> What is anti-ailasing?I only use Windows paint for that. I read the tip in a tutorial from the Gif Construction Set people. I do the Windows paint if I have, say, three sections that are white, but only one of those should be transparent. The paint bucket turns it neon green (for instance) very quickly. AngieDixon> Otherwise I use more sophisticated stuff, usually, & am learning more techniques all the time. That's just a very quick way to change the color in oen section. AngieDixon> More questions? z-Dowie> Wish I'd know that before my Easter Hunt page! mamabear2> I keep messing it up with pp pro. Its pictures of flowers and arra with a lot of indents, GrafixLady> OK. I figured this chat stuff out. Here's my situation: I was wondering if you would check out my website when you get time http://members.aol.com/NAILDIVA/index.html and let me know if you think I should improve it or start on a new idea/website for this class. I kind of want to do something new like an e-zine for that website. Not sure?!? Need some direction. Thanks. mamabear2> I cant seem to get a handle with floating it AngieDixon> Okay. Anyone with more experience with PS Pro have tips for Mamabear? Zonie> Links to Tutorials, Cyber Schools, Web supplys, and more Zonie> http://www.cynetcity.com/cyberzone/106/ mamabear2> my web site is http://robertsflorist.com, will you let me know what you think AngieDixon> Several people have mentioned their URL's & asked for critiques. That will be in the log, but if you think of it, AngieDixon> also post a message to the boards, or if you only want ME to look, email me. AngieDixon> That will keep your request from getting lsot. my url is http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3111 are there going to be a daytime class ???????? I suggested this office hours for 8 p.m. central so I could get to bed. But it got confused in the translation. GrafixLady, start over. I can't see your whole page without using the right arrow Grafixlady--you can fix that without starting over, if you just adjust your table width. Let me know if you need help with that. Right now I'm not planning a daytime office hours session, but I am planning to try to move this one to an earlier hour. kayroller....the URL catcher doesn't seem to work with colors lol that will be difficult for us west coasters an nour earlier Let's see how office hours go. Maybe a weekend one. I'm open to suggestions. Maybe two sessions would work better.... I'm just cringing at the thought of one ore obligation.... I would like your critque for direction on improving my site http://members.aol.com/NAILDIVA/index.html or starting fresh. My thought was an e-zine for my site. was the ? how is homework presented answered? (kayroller I am attempting to make a gardening page for handicapped gardeners) kayroller> my url is http://www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/2821/ MCW> weekends would be great Thanks have a great week We certainly will be busy AngieDixon> jazsi, the answer to that one was, I'm accepting the "good & bad" comments by email. AngieDixon> The other homework you can share with a study group, keep to yourself, or send to me for a critique--I'll get to it when I have time, and offer feedback. AngieDixon> Remember, my email is always open, if you think of something else or can't make office hours.> webstyle@vu.org. AngieDixon> I will also occasionally send emails to the class list. I don't have everyone's email address, but I have an "announcement" list for you. z-Granny-Wicked> don't forget to get the study group info to mcw please z-MCW> Eagel's Nest- the URL for study groups info at z-MCW> https://members.tripod.com/~MCW_2/EagelsNest/en z-Dowie> 13,12 Check out the Fun Internet Find scavenger/treasure hunt at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2424/ MCW> ok I am off to severly edit these logs :-) Session Close: Tue Apr 14 20:21:43 1998