Session Start: Tue Jul 08 22:49:55 1997
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*** AlyzaCCC changes topic to "Hebrew 101: Lesson 3
(http://www.geocities.com/~alyza/heb101a.html)"
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DaveS: Shalom
AlyzaCCC: Shalom Dave!
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AlyzaCCC: םולש
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DaveS: Dawn!
Dawn1: Shalom Morah!
AlyzaCCC: Shalom Dawn!
Dawn1: Alyza...when de homework be due?
AlyzaCCC: today, if you have them ready
Dawn1: Bad tahlmeedah!
Lucy: I went to a jewish school here for 13 yrs though
Dawn1: You're ahead of me Lucy!
AlyzaCCC: well folks, it is time to start class
AlyzaCCC: Today we will be using modified protocal, as
this, unlike the Sunday practice session, will be run
more like a formal class. To raise your hand to ask a
question, type ? for a comment or to answer one of my
questions, type ! When you are done, type GA for go
ahead. Modified means you can type lol's, smilies and the
like. Try to keep your greets to 1-1's. Thanks :-)
AlyzaCCC: ימ
AlyzaCCC: ינא
AlyzaCCC: התא
AlyzaCCC: תא
AlyzaCCC: אמא
AlyzaCCC: המ
AlyzaCCC: םולש
AlyzaCCC: דימלת
AlyzaCCC: הדימלת
AlyzaCCC: שיא
AlyzaCCC: השא
AlyzaCCC: הרומ
AlyzaCCC: אל
AlyzaCCC: ה
AlyzaCCC: לש
AlyzaCCC: איה
AlyzaCCC: ילש
AlyzaCCC: ןכ
AlyzaCCC: אוה
AlyzaCCC: ונחנא
AlyzaCCC: םידימלת
AlyzaCCC: תודימלת
AlyzaCCC: Those are the words we have learned so far. If
you cannot read them,
AlyzaCCC: you will need a hebrew font
AlyzaCCC: Hebrew fonts can be found at http://www.geocities
.com/~alyza/heb101a.html
AlyzaCCC: the web site for the class
Dawn1: and a fine web site it is!
Dawn1: Complete with sound!
AlyzaCCC: thanks, Dawn, i try :-)
AlyzaCCC: ןכ
Dawn1: You want us to jump in?
AlyzaCCC: please tell me what the word means, and how it
is pronounced
AlyzaCCC: raise your hand :-)
DaveS: ?
Dawn1: O/
AlyzaCCC: What is your question, Dave?
DaveS: IS that a cough/coff and a final nun?
AlyzaCCC: yes, it is. kof
Dawn1: o/
AlyzaCCC: yes, Dawn GA
Dawn1: yes, it is so....kehn
AlyzaCCC: tov maod!
Dawn1: todah!
AlyzaCCC: ונחנא
AlyzaCCC: Dave, your turn :-)
DaveS: Eeeenchanu?
AlyzaCCC: ahnachnu
AlyzaCCC: close
DaveS: Oh, great. Now that song is in my head...
AlyzaCCC: what song?
DaveS: Anachnu.
AlyzaCCC: אוה
DaveS: !
AlyzaCCC: GA Dave
Dawn1: o/
DaveS: Who, means "him."
DaveS: Ho
AlyzaCCC: tov maod!
DaveS: him
DaveS: 'Who him?
AlyzaCCC: BTW, what does anachnu mean?
Dawn1: o/
DaveS: Means "we" as in us'ns
AlyzaCCC: right :-)
AlyzaCCC: םידימלת
DaveS: !
AlyzaCCC: Dawn, I think you should take this one
Dawn1: k...
Dawn1: students (masc or mix) tahlmidim
AlyzaCCC: tov maod!
AlyzaCCC: תודימלת
Dawn1: o/
DaveS: !
AlyzaCCC: Dave GA
DaveS: Talmedot. Not short medot, but tall me dot.
DaveS: Students, female
AlyzaCCC: lol, Dave
AlyzaCCC: very well done!
Dawn1: yea davo!
DaveS: Todah rabbah morah (say that ten times real fast)
Dawn1: Very good teacher
Dawn1: Very good teacher
Dawn1: no
Dawn1: Thank you teacher
AlyzaCCC: okay, lets learn a few more words
AlyzaCCC: we need to build up the vocab a bit more
Dawn1: How do you say "cogent"? hehehehe
AlyzaCCC:םתא
AlyzaCCC: V_
AlyzaCCC: remember V is really the 3 dot segol vowel
AlyzaCCC: how do you say that? Sound it out
DaveS: !
AlyzaCCC: GA Dave
DaveS: AHHHHHHHHH tem
AlyzaCCC: good!
AlyzaCCC: You (m.pl), it is voweled םתא
AlyzaCCC: aleph-patach-tav (with dagesh)-segol-mem sofit
AlyzaCCC: and is pronounced atem.
Dawn1: ?
AlyzaCCC: in other words, atem is ya'll masculine :-)
AlyzaCCC: GA Dawn
DaveS: Lol
Dawn1: i see aleph and mem
Dawn1: the middle is ?
AlyzaCCC: AlyzaCCC:םתא
AlyzaCCC: AlyzaCCC: V_
AlyzaCCC: tav
Dawn1: hmm...my tav must be wrong...
AlyzaCCC: what do you see?
AlyzaCCC: AlyzaCCC:םתא
AlyzaCCC: AlyzaCCC: V_
Dawn1: fixed it:)
AlyzaCCC: Great!
AlyzaCCC:ןתא
AlyzaCCC: V_
AlyzaCCC: Dawn, how would you say this word?
Dawn1: aleph tav nun sofit...
AlyzaCCC: right, now, how do you pronounce it?
Dawn1: ahhtahn?
AlyzaCCC: close Dawn
AlyzaCCC: what is the vowel under the tav?
Dawn1: k...trying not to cheat...lemme try again...
Dawn1: it is a patach?
AlyzaCCC: AlyzaCCC:ןתא
AlyzaCCC: AlyzaCCC: V_
AlyzaCCC: the v represents the sEHgol
Dawn1: segol?
AlyzaCCC: yes, the 3 dot eh vowel
Dawn1: so it's ahtehn?
AlyzaCCC: right!
Dawn1: :)
AlyzaCCC: AlyzaCCC:ןתא
AlyzaCCC: AlyzaCCC: V_
AlyzaCCC: ahtehn
AlyzaCCC: You (f.pl), it is voweled aleph-patach-tav (with
dagesh)-segol-nun sofit ןתא
AlyzaCCC: and is pronounced aten
AlyzaCCC: it is ya'all feminine
Dawn1: It means you (pl or the female ya'll)
AlyzaCCC: right!
Dawn1: oops slow
Dawn1: orrrrrr.
Dawn1: Girrrrrrfriens!!!!
AlyzaCCC: okay, so we have 2 new words
AlyzaCCC: םתא
AlyzaCCC: ןתא
AlyzaCCC: now, for some practice!
Dawn1: waaahhhooooo!
AlyzaCCC: ?םתא ימ
AlyzaCCC: please pronounce and then translate
DaveS: !
AlyzaCCC: Dave, GA
DaveS: Me ahtem. Who [are] those guys. ?
AlyzaCCC: right!
DaveS: Hummmm. Maybe someone tranliterates and Lucy can
read from the transliteration?
AlyzaCCC: BTW, a note: ahtem is also used with a mixed
group
AlyzaCCC: of men and womean
AlyzaCCC: women, I mean
AlyzaCCC: now, to answer the question ?םתא ימ
Dawn1: oh! ok!
AlyzaCCC: I would like you to say We [are] students (m)
AlyzaCCC: in Hebrew
Dawn1: .םידימלת ונחנא
AlyzaCCC: Tov maod!
Dawn1: oops...sorry...didn't raise my hand
AlyzaCCC: how do you pronounc that, Dawn?
DaveS: Fast Dawn
AlyzaCCC: (add an e to pronounc to make pronounce)
Dawn1: anachnu tahlmidim
AlyzaCCC: tov!
Dawn1: hehehe D
AlyzaCCC: okay, now, if I were to ask this to Dawn and
Lucy only, I would ask
AlyzaCCC: ?ןתא ימ
AlyzaCCC: what did I ask?
Lucy: ani talmuda
DaveS: !
Dawn1: Who are you? (f)
AlyzaCCC: Dave, GA
DaveS: Who are those females?
AlyzaCCC: right, how do you say it, and is the you
singlular or plural
DaveS: Me aten, plural
Dawn1: !
AlyzaCCC: tov, Lucy, at talmidah
AlyzaCCC: tov
AlyzaCCC: GA Dawn
Lucy: yophi, todah
AlyzaCCC: GA = go ahead
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Dawn1: um...didn't dave say it?:)
AlyzaCCC: yes, I thought you had a comment, or maybe an
answer to the question :-)
AlyzaCCC: Shalom Avi
Dawn1: :)
AVI: hello
AVI: shalom
AlyzaCCC: ?ןתא ימ
AlyzaCCC: please answer WE [are] students (f)
Dawn1: !
AlyzaCCC: GA Dawn
Dawn1: .םידימלת ונחנא Anachnu tahlmidim.
AlyzaCCC: okay, you said we are students (m)
AlyzaCCC: can you fix it?
Dawn1: yes....:)
Dawn1: .תודימלת תודימלת
Dawn1: no
Dawn1: .תודימלת ונחנא
AlyzaCCC: nachon! (correct!)]
Lucy: !
Dawn1: Anachnu talmidot
AlyzaCCC: GA lucy
Lucy: I was going to say what dawn did, no prob
AlyzaCCC: okay :-)
AlyzaCCC: ? םידימלת ימ
AlyzaCCC: what did I ask?
Dawn1: !
AlyzaCCC: GA Dawn, pronounce it for me
Lucy: alys. ask so I can see
Dawn1: Who are the students? Masc or mix
Dawn1: oh...
Lucy: if poss.
AlyzaCCC: right, now pronounce it for me Dawn
Dawn1: Me tahlmidim?
AlyzaCCC: then Lucy can answer in translit, naming the
students followed by the Hebrew for student :-)
AlyzaCCC: metzuyan! (excellent)
AlyzaCCC: Lucy, give it a try please :-)
Lucy: ?
AlyzaCCC: GA Lucy
Lucy: what is the q
AlyzaCCC: what is your question?
AlyzaCCC: ah, the question was Me tahlmidim?
Lucy: who are the students
Lucy: m
AlyzaCCC: right.
AlyzaCCC: Dave how would you answer that question?
Lucy: brb, gonna try
DaveS: םידימלת ונחנא
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AlyzaCCC: Dave, are you there?
DaveS: Yes, Alyza.
DaveS: םידימלת ונחנא
AlyzaCCC: tov, Dave!
AlyzaCCC: ?התא המ ,Dave
DaveS: דימלת
AlyzaCCC: full sentace please :-)
DaveS: םידימלת ינא
AlyzaCCC: tov
Dawn1: yea dave!
AlyzaCCC: one last word for today, a short word
AlyzaCCC: ו
AVI: ok
AlyzaCCC: it is just a vav
AlyzaCCC: ו
AlyzaCCC: :
AlyzaCCC: with a shva under it, in this case
AlyzaCCC: it is a prefix, like
AlyzaCCC: ה
AlyzaCCC: meaning the
AlyzaCCC: And, this prefix is voweled with a shva and is ...ו
AlyzaCCC: pronounced vi (short, breif i sound similar
AlyzaCCC: to i in him, but of shorter duration)
AlyzaCCC: okay?
Dawn1: kehn!:)
AlyzaCCC: now, we can say things like I am a woman, a mom,
AND a student
AlyzaCCC: Dawn, please write a sentance with ALL the
things in our vocab that you are
AlyzaCCC: Dave, same instruction
Dawn1: k
* AlyzaCCC waits patiently for much copy and paste
Preacher: alyza, is there an easy way in translation to
tell the difference etween a vav conversive, and a vav
conjuction?
Preacher: i have to translate a lot
AlyzaCCC: well, the conversive vav is usually voweled
differently
AlyzaCCC: you can also tell sometimes by context
Preacher: CONTEXT the magic word
Dawn1: .הדימלתו הרומו השאו אמאו ינא
AlyzaCCC: note to students, we only have one meaning for
vav right now, so it is okay if you do not understand
what Preacher just asked
Dawn1: Oh gosh! I have to go:(
AlyzaCCC: right, Preacher
AlyzaCCC: shalom Dawn!
Preacher: sorry
DaveS: Shalom Dawn!
AlyzaCCC: just a second
AlyzaCCC: Dawn, correction
AlyzaCCC: .הדימלתו הרומו השאו אמא ינא
AlyzaCCC: no vav on the first word
AlyzaCCC: you want to say, I am a mom AND
AlyzaCCC: okay?
Dawn1: k:) shalom all!
AlyzaCCC: now, do those sentances for next class, Dawn!
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AlyzaCCC: Dave, you have a sentance for me?
DaveS: Almost
DaveS: [need a bet] Bא ינאו .הרומה אלו דימלת ינא
AlyzaCCC: ב
DaveS: Todah'
* AlyzaCCC lends Dave a Bet
DaveS: בא ינאו .הרומה אלו דימלת ינא
AVI: ok thats all i understand so far
AlyzaCCC: tov maod, Dave
AlyzaCCC: tell me what di you say?
AlyzaCCC: did
DaveS: I am a student, and not the teacher. And I am a
father.
AlyzaCCC: okay, now what did Dawn say?
AlyzaCCC: .הדימלתו הרומו השאו אמא ינא
DaveS: I am a mother and woman and teacher and a student.
AlyzaCCC: Tov maod!
AlyzaCCC: metzuyan, Dave
DaveS: Wait. Wait.
* AlyzaCCC waits
DaveS: Different reading. I am a really cute person with
an excellent sence of humor.
DaveS: Dawn said
DaveS: She is
DaveS: Lol
DaveS: Oy, one hour of Hebrew and I forget English
AlyzaCCC: lol
AlyzaCCC: okay, Dave, work on 4-6 sentances with the new
vocab, that is
DaveS: Okay.
AlyzaCCC: with
AlyzaCCC: ןכ
AlyzaCCC: אוה
AlyzaCCC: ונחנא
AlyzaCCC: םידימלת
AlyzaCCC: תודימלת
AlyzaCCC: םתא
AlyzaCCC: ןתא
AlyzaCCC: ו
AlyzaCCC: you may also use any of the old words we have
AlyzaCCC: you need me to paste them all?
DaveS: Not necessary, thanks
AlyzaCCC: okay.
AlyzaCCC: Class dismissed until Sunday :-)
AlyzaCCC: the schedule of events in #IsraeliCafe is
Sundays (8:30-9:30) and Tuesdays (11-12:30) Hebrew 101,
informal Israel related chat on Wednesday from 4-5pm EST,
Fridays at 12 noon EST, Monday at 9-10pm EST.
AlyzaCCC: .
AlyzaCCC: the schedule of Jewish events in #JewishStudies
is Jewish Studies on Wed 10pm EST, Parsha on Thurs at 8pm
EST, and the newest edition, Jewish Knowledge Quiz on
10pm EST Sundays.
Session Close: Wed Jul 09 00:05:22 1997
