From: Dave Fisher
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Dobbin
Date: 17 May 98 15:09:50 +0100
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Dave Fisher
From: Alan R Barr
From: Dave Fisher
From: Ralph Twiss
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dobbin
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
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From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
From: Bill Eaves
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Bill Eaves
From: Ralph Twiss
From: Steve Haigh
From: Dobbin
Date: 17 May 98 16:59:28 +0100
Date: 17 May 98 16:58:09 +0100
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: "Taz"
From: Ralph Twiss
From: Bill eaves
From: Dave James
From: Craig Arbuthnott
From: "Bill Eaves - at work :-("
From: Dobbin
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: sudhir
From: "John Coates"
From: Paul Ferguson
From: "Paul Webb"
From: "Paul Webb"
From: Bill Eaves
From: Bill Eaves
From: Bill Eaves
From: Bill Eaves
From: Bill Eaves
From: "Taz"
From: Richard Drummond
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: sudhir
From: sudhir
From: "Taz"
From: sudhir
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:15:53 +0100
From: Bill Eaves
Date: 19 May 98 06:37:47 +0100
From: Howard Macartney
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
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From: Richard Drummond
From: Bill eaves
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Daryl Smith
From: Steve Haigh
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Bill Eaves
From: Alan Stevens
From: Alan Stevens
Date: 20 May 98 14:47:00 +0100
From: Richard Drummond
Date: 21 May 98 10:06:20 +0100
Date: 21 May 98 09:12:12 +0100
Date: 21 May 98 08:46:59 +0100
From: Richard Drummond
From: Craig Arbuthnott
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: "John Coates"
From: "John Coates"
From: "John Coates"
From: "John Coates"
From: "John Coates"
From: Darren Rozier
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:31:02 +0100
Subject: Re: Rot-13
Hi Dave,
On 17-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: Rot-13,
> On 17-May-98, Taz gasped:
>> Anyone know if there is an Amiga version of Rot-13 ?
> IIRC, Thor has a ROT-13 option type thingy. I am not aware
> of any independent ROT-13 programs though. I guess you've
> tried Aminet?
Also check out CEd if you own that. IIRC that has an option for applying
ROT-13 to text.
> Well, I won't keep you all by waffling on just so that my quoting
> stats aren't in blue. Hell no, I'd never do that. Not me. No
> Siree! Me indeed! Ha! I ask you!
I suppose I should cut that out, coz my quote stat will probably be about 90%
and my message ranking at the bottom :) Makes a change, hehe
> Dave
Another Dave. Fresh back from WoA. With ImageFX3.1a, Foundation and a nice
shiney new iBrowse1.2 manual ;)
Actually talking of WoA. We went to get 2x PalomaIV modules, 1x Video Module,
1x PabloIV modules, 1x STFax and 2x ImageFX3. Well we didn't get any hardware,
because suprise suprise BlitterSoft didn't have any stock. I will say no more.
Bye bye people.
Best Regards,
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:35:56 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Hi Dobbin :)
On 17-May-98, Dobbin wrote:
> On 17-May-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
>> You know this is the only Amiga place I'm on that isn't full of
people
>> with opinions on the news. Nobody going to stick their neck out?
>> Personally I'm generally for it. I think PR wise they cocked it
up,
>> but I like their plans (what I know of them).
> I think a lot of people, including myself, are probably feeling a
little
> bitter about being encouraged into existing PPC upgrade routes
> &c under the understanding that that was the path to the future
> that Amiga was going to take.
Well I understand your feelings. I was actually asked to create a
proposal for the OS3.5 user guide (which I did). Guess thats out the
window. :-/
On the other hand, my understanding is that the final decision was
made only days ago. They got an offer they couldn't refuse basically.
Joe Torre said a couple of weeks ago that he regretted every making
the 680x0+PPC announcement. He never intended it to be seen as the
"future path" of AmigaInc, just a signal of support for hardware
developers in the meantime. Very unfortunate. Amiga Inc seem to be
having trouble with PR inside the Amiga community at least.
On the brighter side, your PowerUp goes as fast today as it did
yesterday. If one assumes (as currently seems to be the case), that
the Bridge machine is primarily for developers (the OS, is effectively
a beta), then your machine may well be supported for some time.
> Not that I'm thinking that Amiga TNG won't be good, and not that
> I won't be buying it, cos I will. It just seems unfortunate that
/clarity/
> is still a word AI seem to be struggling to understand.
There is a lot of stuff we aren't hearing yet it seems. Gary Peake
told me that some of the mysterious "partners" that AI has were going
to be revealed at WOA, but they pulled out at the last minute, or the
negotiations weren't complete, or something like that.
More to come I guess. :)
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:38:47 +0100
Subject: Weekly stats
Hi :)
Here we go. A day late because I was distracted arguing about Amiga
Inc and its plans on IRC. ;)
chatter@amiga.co.uk POSTING STATS
FROM NUMBER % QUOTING
===================================================================
Eoghann Irving
"Taz"
"Paul Webb"
Paul Ferguson
Ralph Twiss
bml@thenet.co.uk (bml) 4 5.63% 7.47
"Paul Dixon"
Daryl Smith
Dobbin
""
Steve Haigh
Howard Macartney
john owen-jones
Bill Eaves
Quark
===================================================================
SUBJECT NUMBER %
===================================================================
Speed overrules shabby system -or does it? 13 18.05 3%
MICQ 9 12.5 3%
DF0: accessing 6 8.33 2%
Lost mail 5 6.94 2%
Opera 4 5.55 2%
PC question 3 4.16 2%
Fonts 3 4.16 2%
Microdot 3 4.16 2%
Weekly stats 2 2.77 2%
What no opinions? 2 2.77 2%
Cheaep Amigas 2 2.77 2%
ICQ Again :-) 1 1.38 2%
WOA news 1 1.38 2%
world news release 1.0 (fwd) 1 1.38 2%
The news has hit! 1 1.38 2%
The tension mounts 1 1.38 2%
Another Joke. 1 1.38 2%
W.O.A. 1 1.38 2%
Amiga Chatter web page 1 1.38 2%
W.O.A. 1 1.38 2%
Updated site 1 1.38 2%
Rot-13 1 1.38 2%
Speed overrules shabby system 1 1.38 2%
NextStep 1 1.38 2%
Dead ? Monitor 1 1.38 2%
Saturdays Joke from Haighy 1 1.38 2%
===================================================================
TOTAL NUMBER OF MAILS: 71
TOTAL NUMBER OF POSTERS: 17
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:55:58 -0000
Subject: Re: Rot-13
On 17-May-98, Taz wrote:
>Hi all,
>Anyone know if there is an Amiga version of Rot-13 ? Just that a newsgroup
>I am in has decided to use this for any hints/tips for games cause people
>weren't leaving the spoiler space. I suppose I could try and work it out in
>my head, but since they are more than one sentence I think I would be here
>all year :-)
>Ta
Cygnus Ed can rot13 your text for you.
Dobbin
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: What no opinions?
Hi Eoghann Irving, on 17-May-98 12:18:58 you caught my attention with the following prose:
> You know this is the only Amiga place I'm on that isn't full of people
> with opinions on the news. Nobody going to stick their neck out?
Err you? :)
> Personally I'm generally for it. I think PR wise they cocked it up,
> but I like their plans (what I know of them).
I agree about the PR bit. Dave Haynie has been a bit critical of the WOA
statement but then I guess he's got his own agenda. Olaf Bartel also seems
upset. Jim Drew is adopting a wait and see approach re: the prospect of
Fusion PPC. I've not heard a statement from Holger Kruse yet.
Myself, I dunno what to make of it TBH. I'm dissapointed their won't be an
OS3.5. I'm surprised they never mentioned the PowerPC. Does this mean they
no longer intend to support it?
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:33:41 +0100
Subject: Re: Speed overrules shabby system -or does it?
Hi Eoghann
On 17-May-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
> Just tag everything. It'll be quicker and probably just as accurate
> anyway. ;)
Damn !! That was my master plan !!! Oh well I think I'll stick with it as
no-one will be any the wiser :)
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:14:56 +0100
Subject: AmFTP Update
Hi all,
Thought you like might to know Vaporware have updated AmFTP to v1.91 Public.
Available in lzx or lha, from ftp://ftp.vapor.com
PS. Anyone got Quake ? Played it abit today on my Tower, and was very
impressed with it. The PPC version should be awesome (if they do it), as its
very playable on my 060/PIV.
PPS. Anyone got Foundation ? Check the Credits from the main menu. That Dave
Fisher is me that is .... "Hey, look mum, I'm famous !" ;^)
Best Regards,
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:25:03 +0100
Subject: WOA
Hello Dave and all
On 17-May-98, Dave Fisher, Re: Rot-13 , spaketh thus :-
>Snipped some stuff
> Actually talking of WoA. We went to get 2x PalomaIV modules, 1x Video
Module,
> 1x PabloIV modules, 1x STFax and 2x ImageFX3. Well we didn't get any
hardware,
> because suprise suprise BlitterSoft didn't have any stock. I will say no
more.
> Bye bye people.
Yes I was after a Paloma to-day but was told it would be avaliable in a
couple of months , something about the U.K tuners , bugger...still ,got
hold of Quake , and keeping fingers X for the future!!!!! , was considering
a PPC , but not sure now , mmm , give it a few weeks for the dust to
settle .
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:41:29 +0100
Subject: Re: WOA
Hi Alan,
On 17-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject WOA,
> Yes I was after a Paloma to-day but was told it would be avaliable in a
> couple of months , something about the U.K tuners
Well thats their story. Its not what I read from Klaus (the VillageTronic
hardware designer for the Amiga) on the Picasso list. The UK tuners were not
the ones they were having trouble sourcing, the NTSC ones were.
Make your own mind up with that one methinks :)
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:51:32 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Rot-13
Hello Dave
On 17-May-98, Dave James wrote:
> Hello Taz
>
> On 17-May-98, Taz gasped:
>
>> Anyone know if there is an Amiga version of Rot-13 ?
ok I give in , I deleted , waited , ignored ,.....but now I have to ask what
is 'Rot13' ????????
ralph[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:54:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Rot-13
Hi Ralph,
On 17-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[2]: Rot-13,
> ok I give in , I deleted , waited , ignored ,.....but now I have to ask what
> is 'Rot13' ????????
Its a form of encryption. Basically it takes each letter and changes it to
the letter 13th to the right in the alphabet.
IE. a becomes n (a=1, n=14 .. 14-1 = 13)
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:53:30 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rot-13
On 17-May-98, Ralph Twiss wrote:
>ok I give in , I deleted , waited , ignored ,.....but now I have to ask what
>is 'Rot13' ????????
A very simple system of encrypting text. Anyone can decipher it. It's
only usually done to preserve the privacy of certain snips of info in a
text file against a casual glance. All you do, is take the ASCII value of
each letter, and add 13 (wrapping around from Z to A) and then right
in back. To decrypt, you do the reverse.
Dobbin
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Subject: Fonts
Date: 17 May 1998 21:20:19
On 15 May 98 Ralph Twiss wrote about 'Fonts'.
>>> does any one know of a outline font for Wordworth that is a
>>> proportional one ?
>> Can't Wordsworth use compugraphic fonts then?
[snip]
OK, what I mean't by that was that rather than needing a proportional bitmap
font, can't it use CG Fonts. That way you can set it to outline AND get
proportional.
Sorry if it ruffled your feathers.
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Subject: ROT-13
Date: 17 May 1998 21:02:34
Taz, what like this :)
Nalbar xabj vs gurer vf na Nzvtn irefvba bs Ebg-13 ? Whfg gung n arjftebhc
V nz va unf qrpvqrq gb hfr guvf sbe nal uvagf/gvcf sbe tnzrf pnhfr crbcyr
jrera'g yrnivat gur fcbvyre fcnpr. V fhccbfr V pbhyq gel naq jbex vg bhg va
zl urnq, ohg fvapr gurl ner zber guna bar fragrapr V guvax V jbhyq or urer
nyy lrne :-)
Gnm@qrivy.h-arg.pbz Uggc://jjj.qrivy.h-arg.pbz/cfk.ugzy
hehehe
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Subject: Rot-13
Date: 17 May 1998 21:15:46
On 17 May 98 Dave Fisher wrote about 'Rot-13'.
DF> because suprise suprise BlitterSoft didn't have any stock. I will say
DF> no more.
Which day did you go? They sold out of loads of stuff Saturday. I was lucky to get my Prelude.
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Subject: W.O.A.
Date: 17 May 1998 21:14:12
On 17 May 98 Dobbin wrote about 'W.O.A.'.
D> Just starts to seem like, every few months, a big name in the Amiga
D> field suddenly reveals all their new plans for wonderous new PC beating
D> hardware, and then... a few more months later, they either change it
D> all into something completely different or scrap it all together. :/
If you sit back and think about the results of the past year or so, it's
mainly caused by ill-informed rumour-mongerers.
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Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Date: 17 May 1998 21:18:24
On 17 May 98 Eoghann Irving wrote about 'Re[2]: What no opinions?'.
EI> There is a lot of stuff we aren't hearing yet it seems. Gary Peake
EI> told me that some of the mysterious "partners" that AI has were going
EI> to be revealed at WOA, but they pulled out at the last minute, or the
EI> negotiations weren't complete, or something like that.
At last, someone who knows what they're talking about. I was beginning to think
the whole world had turned rumourists.
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
Subject: What no opinions?
Date: 17 May 1998 21:05:17
On 17 May 98 Eoghann Irving wrote about 'What no opinions?'.
EI> You know this is the only Amiga place I'm on that isn't full of people
EI> with opinions on the news. Nobody going to stick their neck out?
Hmmm, not too sure aboutthis.
EI> Personally I'm generally for it. I think PR wise they cocked it up,
EI> but I like their plans (what I know of them).
Well as I was in the Fri AM, PM and Saturday conferences, I think I'm qualified to say,
The PR sucked, big time :)
Apart from that, why was the news so big? What else is there?
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
Subject: What no opinions?
Date: 17 May 1998 21:12:26
On 17 May 98 Dobbin wrote about 'What no opinions?'.
D> I think a lot of people, including myself, are probably feeling a little
D> bitter about being encouraged into existing PPC upgrade routes
No-one is encouraging you to go with any particular hardware.
Amiga Classic will continue to be even after Nov 98. It will be dragged along
on a piece of rope behind OS4.0 and if people decide to stick with the
applications they have already, the best to them. You don't HAVE to upgrade
to OS4.0. It will be a primarilly developer platform anyway. The idea is
to get the developers coding to the guidelines and API's of OS4.0 as quick as
possible. This way, the transition to OS5.0 will be as smooth as possible.
If you do decide to go onto OS4.0, you'll need something along the lines of
Inside-Out to get the 3.1 compliance. The OS5.0 'Convergence-ware' platform will
be able to emulate PPC in software and leads to 3.1 compliance as a software
emulator.
D> Not that I'm thinking that Amiga TNG won't be good, and not that
D> I won't be buying it, cos I will. It just seems unfortunate that
D> /clarity/ is still a word AI seem to be struggling to understand.
AI couldn't release too much due to the fact they hadn't signed for this
new technology, and as such were still NDA'd
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:52:13 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: Opera
Hi Eoghann etc.
I tried this out the other day, not at home ofcourseasit isnot ready yet.
I downloaded the W95 version at work. The interface took a bit of getting used
to as it seems to have windows within windows.
It seemed to mess up some Jpeg images but that could be the PC as it is not
exactly a good one, it is about 18 months old and not the height of technology
then.
However, compared to the other browser on that machine, IE4, Opera is quick
and smooth, even if a little quirky.
An Amiga version would be nice, though we do not need extras like an inbuilt
email client we already have several very good ones.
The PC version gets my thumbs up, but on that platform IE4 is so slow and IE3
is not a lot to write home about, the only advantages are plugins we do not
have so far.
On the Amiga the advantages of quick and small may not be so much of an
advantage but it will be nice to have a choice and also a browser than is
multi-platform. Netscape may not be around for a while, it may only be WB4 or
above which will not be here for a bit and not on our current systems ???
The biggest disadvantage (for me) at the moment is the resolution and clour
representation which when my Ateo arrives should be solved.
*Changing Subject slightly*
Did anyone see or buy an Ateo at WOA? You will have got it before my pre-order
(grrr I hate pre-orders) that I sent off for in January :-(
Same for Quake, pre-ordered in january, I assume some of you got it at WOA and
can play it now :-(
You pre-order to keep Amiga s/w going and never get it until ages later if at
all. No more pre-orders for me !
Regards
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:48:22 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Hi Norman Shearer :)
On 17-May-98, Norman Shearer wrote:
> Hi Eoghann Irving, on 17-May-98 12:18:58 you caught my attention
with the following prose:
>> You know this is the only Amiga place I'm on that isn't full of
people
>> with opinions on the news. Nobody going to stick their neck out?
> Err you? :)
Always ;)
>> Personally I'm generally for it. I think PR wise they cocked it
up,
>> but I like their plans (what I know of them).
> I agree about the PR bit. Dave Haynie has been a bit critical of the
WOA
> statement but then I guess he's got his own agenda. Olaf Bartel also
seems
> upset. Jim Drew is adopting a wait and see approach re: the prospect
of
> Fusion PPC. I've not heard a statement from Holger Kruse yet.
Well I guess the viability of PPC really depends on whether the Bridge
computer is of much use to non-developers. If it is then PPC is dead.
If it isn't then the PowerUp will be popular during our 18 month wait
I should think.
What was Dave Haynie's objections? As a PPC man he may be a little
biased I suppose.
I'm surprised that Olaf is upset. Unless he never wanted the OS3.5
project canceled.
> Myself, I dunno what to make of it TBH. I'm dissapointed their won't
be an
> OS3.5. I'm surprised they never mentioned the PowerPC. Does this
mean they
> no longer intend to support it?
Well OS3.5 really didn't have much in it that you couldn't already
get. It had a small budget because the return was going to be
negligable.
As for PPC. If you think about it, they never did support it. It was
a mistake for that Joe Torre statement ever to have been realeased,
but if you read that carefully even then they didn't say they were
going to go the PPC route.
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:39:26 +0100
Subject: Re: What no opinions?
Hi Eoghann
On 17-May-98, you wrote:
> You know this is the only Amiga place I'm on that isn't full of people
> with opinions on the news. Nobody going to stick their neck out?
The YAM list is full of them :-)
I thought everyone on this list must have been at WOA as it was so quiet.
I was not at WOA and just gleaned what I heard from WWW and mailing lists at
work. I was working instead of being at WOA, which was too far to get to
anyway :-( x2
First I was overjoyed, all sofware will run under emulation. A total PPC
solution with emulation, this would be great, no need for a dual CPU board in
which the 68060 would run slower than the one I use now.
Then I was horrified, Intel with emulator ? Surely that would be slower
than my 66MHx 060 to run my current software. No OS upgrade for current
machines (I /still/ think that is bad, we need an interim OS for the systems
we now have.
More horrifed, current software will not run on OS5 at all. Buy everything
again, if I wanted to do that I would have gone PC or Mac a while ago but held
on until Amiga hardware caught up and the OS could run software that now does
not run on an 060.
PPC seems to be dead, I was going to get a PPC/68k card, I will not do so now.
Not good for hardware sales until the new Amiga arrives :-(
The Gfx card and tower I am *still* waiting for (ordered January) I did think
was a waste of money but will last my current set up another year and a bit
anyway, of course I will keep this set up anyway. If the new one is that good
this will be my second machine, not sure what to do with the other 030 A1200
though.
I will be very wary and unwilling to buy new hardware and software that will
only be useful for another year ????
I hope by the time the new Amiga is released that transparent emulation of
"old" software will be included anyway and run at 060 speed or more :-)
Perhaps the software issue is not as disastrous as it seems and new programmes
will be on the way but cannot cover all the ones that are now essential.
> Personally I'm generally for it. I think PR wise they cocked it up,
> but I like their plans (what I know of them).
The more I hear the better it seems, or less worse anyway.
I suppose in a couple of years I will need a new computer anyway. An
alternative to the PC and MAc is essential, but it must at least run some of
the software I have now, the OS legal and MUI stuff is a must. Otherwise it is
not an Amiga but just a new machine which may be very good but not an Amiga if
it cannot run Amiga software transparently.
Eventually all or most applications will be the new CPU native but this need
to be gradual on the very realistic premise that none of us can afford a new
machine and a complete new set of software, until it can be upgraded current
software *must* be supported in OS5. Unless OS5 will support current software
what reason is there for anyone to release any new Amiga software now, or for
us to think about buying it !
#Well that was rather long but things are so uncertain at the moment.#
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:19:14 +0100
Subject: Re: Fonts
Hello bml
On 17-May-98, bml wrote:
> On 15 May 98 Ralph Twiss wrote about 'Fonts'.
> snip-->
> OK, what I mean't by that was that rather than needing a proportional bitmap
> font, can't it use CG Fonts. That way you can set it to outline AND get
> proportional.
I had spent five or six hours trying to sort the Fire Stations Sports &
Welfare Accounts out , using Money Matters and Wordsworth.
When I imported text from Money Matters to Wordsworth, it looked crap!
because it was no longer, how shall I put it... in alignment.
I know Wordsworth can use tables, but ¦ had 2/300 lines to transfer over 5
fields. (The only way I knew how to do this, was to spend a whole evening
snipping and pasting). Hence my need for a resizable font ( outline ) that
is proportional.
Unless of course I am going about this the wrong way...
If I do anything that has "Created by an Amiga A1200 " on the documents, then
it needs to be as near perfect as possible! I'm sure you would agree.
I'm sorry to take all this space up on the list, but up to now, the guys on
amiga chatter (fci of old ) have always come through.
Mail me direct, unless of course you think others on the list may benefit from
this.
Ralph
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:34:22 -0000
Subject: Is the
CU-List down or am I not on it ?
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:36:00 -0000
Subject: Re: What no opinions?
On 17-May-98, bml wrote:
> D> I think a lot of people, including myself, are probably feeling a little
> D> bitter about being encouraged into existing PPC upgrade routes
>No-one is encouraging you to go with any particular hardware.
Sure seemed that way to me, up until this weekend. And I agree, barely
any of the positive, forward-looking remarks about PPC have been
either factual, or official, but, there's been nothing of note to contradict
what, to me, certainly seemed to be the growing conclusion that the
PPC route was the future of the Amiga.
Can you honestly say, stepping back in time one month, two, or maybe
three, that, at that time, it would have seemed unlikely to most users
that the Amiga was evolving towards further PPC incorporation?
And if you can say that... then can you also tell me what next weeks
lottery numbers are? Ta. 8)
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: Rot-13
Hi Dave James, on 17-May-98 14:33:27 you caught my attention with the following prose:
> IIRC, Thor has a ROT-13 option type thingy.
Correct.
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: Rot-13
Hi Dave Fisher, on 17-May-98 14:31:02 you caught my attention with the following prose:
> Actually talking of WoA. We went to get 2x PalomaIV modules, 1x Video Module,
> 1x PabloIV modules,
The UK version of the TV module (is that the PabloIV?) hasn't been done yet
according to Klaus..
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:01:12 +0100
Subject: Re: Rot-13
Hi Simon,
On 17-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Rot-13,
> On 17 May 98 Dave Fisher wrote about 'Rot-13'.
>> because suprise suprise BlitterSoft didn't have any stock. I will say
>> no more.
> Which day did you go? They sold out of loads of stuff Saturday. I was
> lucky to get my Prelude.
Today (Sunday) as I was knackered on Saturday as I'd just flown in from Oz :)
Anyway, the TV-Tuner reason was not out of stock, but more not available, even
though they had a huge poster up with the price slapped on it. And being out
of stock "because it was Sunday" doesn't wash either, as they did the same
last year, so surely they know by now to bring more than enough stock for the
weekend.
On top of that, the Video Module for the MicroniK has been out of stock in the
UK for MONTHS, so thats not BlitterSofts fault, I agree. But thats not because
they actually bothered to tell us why, its because we spoke to other suppliers
like the ever helpfull guys at Weird Science.
Best Regards,
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:49:59 +0100
Subject: Re: Opera
Hi Bill,
On 17-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[3]: Opera,
> Did anyone see or buy an Ateo at WOA? You will have got it before my
pre-order
> (grrr I hate pre-orders) that I sent off for in January :-(
Saw it, but that was all :) Infact I started reading the spec of it, and for
what it is (ie. custom jobbie) it does sound very nice. One of the guys asked
if I wanted any information, but after explaining I had a PIV he left me in
peace :)
> Same for Quake, pre-ordered in january, I assume some of you got it at WOA
and
> can play it now :-(
Ordered mine from Weird Science as a pre-order about 2 months ago, and mine
arrived while I was on holiday sometime in the last few weeks. Was yours from
clickBOOM direct, or a UK supplier ?
> You pre-order to keep Amiga s/w going and never get it until ages later if
at
> all. No more pre-orders for me !
Same can be said for BUYING it in the first place.
ImageFX2.6 at WoA97 cost me £99 reduced from £179
ImageFX3.1a at WoA98 cost £99 reduced from £179
ImageFX3.1a update at WoA98, cost me £75 reduced from £79. It almost worked
out cheaper to buy it again just to get another box and shiney manual !
Best Regards,
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:07:57 +0100
Subject: PalomaIV (Was: Re: Rot-13)
Hi Norman,
On 17-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: Rot-13,
> The UK version of the TV module (is that the PabloIV?) hasn't been done yet
> according to Klaus..
Ah ha ! Thanks Norman, I just emailed Klaus to ask him that aswell :) When was
this announced, if it was in the last few weeks I wouldn't have known. I know
there were problems getting the NTSC tuners before I went away, so I assumed
(mainly due to the fact BlitterSoft had a big poster with the TV-Tuner price
slapped on it at £70 or something) that we'd been fobbed off again.
And no, its the PalomaIV, the PabloIV is the other bit :) The PAL
encoder-come-digital-genlocky-type-thingy. I forget the correct description :)
Best Regards,
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:43:23 +0100
Subject: Re: What no opinions?
Hi bml :)
On 17-May-98, bml wrote:
> Apart from that, why was the news so big? What else is there?
Err, well if you don't think announcing a new OS based on a non
AmigaOS core, plus a new CPU/graphics/whatever chip is big news, what
do you call big news?
I mean I'd like to hear more details, but its not every day we get
featured on news.com
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:49:19 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Fonts
Hi Ralph Twiss :)
On 17-May-98, Ralph Twiss wrote:
> I know Wordsworth can use tables, but ¦ had 2/300 lines to transfer
over 5
> fields. (The only way I knew how to do this, was to spend a whole
evening
> snipping and pasting). Hence my need for a resizable font (
outline ) that
> is proportional.
Err, don't you mean non-proportional?
Most of the fonts that Wordworth uses are proportional. If you've got
a courier font in wordworth, they're usually non-proportional.
non-proportional fonts are those where every letter is the same width.
Just so we know what each other is talking about. ;)
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:30:45 +0100
Subject: Re[4]: Opera
Hi Bill Eaves :)
On 17-May-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
> An Amiga version would be nice, though we do not need extras like an
inbuilt
> email client we already have several very good ones.
Some people like the all in one approach. I'm not a fan myself, but
thats one of Thor's attractions to many people, that it does Aminet,
news and mail all in one.
Personally I like one program to specialise in each area.
> On the Amiga the advantages of quick and small may not be so much of
an
> advantage but it will be nice to have a choice and also a browser
than is
> multi-platform. Netscape may not be around for a while, it may only
be WB4 or
> above which will not be here for a bit and not on our current
systems ???
Small and quick won't be an advantage, but the fact that the browser
has a development "team" should be, plus the simple fact its
multi-platform.
OS4 will not run on the legacy Amigas. It is for the "Bridge system"
only.
Of which more in the next message.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:46:54 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: What no opinions?
Hi bml :)
On 17-May-98, bml wrote:
> On 17 May 98 Eoghann Irving wrote about 'Re[2]: What no opinions?'.
>> There is a lot of stuff we aren't hearing yet it seems. Gary Peake
>> told me that some of the mysterious "partners" that AI has were
going
>> to be revealed at WOA, but they pulled out at the last minute, or
the
>> negotiations weren't complete, or something like that.
> At last, someone who knows what they're talking about. I was
beginning to think
> the whole world had turned rumourists.
m8 the only reason I know this is because I've spent about 5 hours
wading through IRC logs, not to mention grabbing a couple of informed
chaps while they were on IRC and asking them questions.
For those who weren't at any of the press conferences, getting facts
has
not been easy.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:52:56 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Hi Dobbin :)
On 18-May-98, Dobbin wrote:
> On 17-May-98, bml wrote:
>> No-one is encouraging you to go with any particular hardware.
> Sure seemed that way to me, up until this weekend. And I agree,
barely
> any of the positive, forward-looking remarks about PPC have been
> either factual, or official, but, there's been nothing of note to
contradict
> what, to me, certainly seemed to be the growing conclusion that the
> PPC route was the future of the Amiga.
Actually one of the worst culprits in that was CU Amiga. ;)
Their relentless optimism tends to turn every press release into a
blueprint for the future. :)
A Inc couldn't contradict the PPC bandwagon because they didn't know.
My understanding, again from Gary Peake, is that A Inc got a phonecall
quite recently that swung them behind this plan.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:41:10 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Hi Bill Eaves :)
On 17-May-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
> First I was overjoyed, all sofware will run under emulation. A total
PPC
> solution with emulation, this would be great, no need for a dual CPU
board in
> which the 68060 would run slower than the one I use now.
> Then I was horrified, Intel with emulator ? Surely that would be
slower
> than my 66MHx 060 to run my current software. No OS upgrade for
current
> machines (I /still/ think that is bad, we need an interim OS for the
systems
> we now have.
The way the information got out was a major cockup. Because it
came out in drips it gave the rumour mongers far too much time to
dream up stuff.
Its not intel with emulator, its Amiga PCI board + x86, which should
be faster than a native 680x0 Amiga.
> More horrifed, current software will not run on OS5 at all. Buy
everything
> again, if I wanted to do that I would have gone PC or Mac a while
ago but held
> on until Amiga hardware caught up and the OS could run software that
now does
> not run on an 060.
I heard this one too early on. But since them people who I tend to
believe have told me that there will be some form of emulation for the
1999 Amiga.
> PPC seems to be dead, I was going to get a PPC/68k card, I will not
do so now.
> Not good for hardware sales until the new Amiga arrives :-(
That depends. The real consumer Amiga won't be here for 18 months.
The "Bridge system" is /mainly/ a developer machine. PPC software
could be produced anyway, depends whether the developers panic or not.
> The Gfx card and tower I am *still* waiting for (ordered January) I
did think
> was a waste of money but will last my current set up another year
and a bit
> anyway, of course I will keep this set up anyway. If the new one is
that good
> this will be my second machine, not sure what to do with the other
030 A1200
> though.
18 months for a computer is not too bad these days. Plus, as you say
it
doesn't stop working after that.
> I will be very wary and unwilling to buy new hardware and software
that will
> only be useful for another year ????
I think we're clear on the software front. OS4 will run current
Amiga software and as I understand it so will OS5 in some form.
Hardware wise you can still buy RAM, hard drives, CD-Roms etc. etc.
>> Personally I'm generally for it. I think PR wise they cocked it
up,
>> but I like their plans (what I know of them).
> I suppose in a couple of years I will need a new computer anyway. An
> alternative to the PC and MAc is essential, but it must at least run
some of
> the software I have now, the OS legal and MUI stuff is a must.
Otherwise it is
> not an Amiga but just a new machine which may be very good but not
an Amiga if
> it cannot run Amiga software transparently.
Well technically, and to the purist this /isn't/ an Amiga. The new OS
will be based on the core of another OS LINUX/BeOS/something. This is
essential for two reasons.
1) The current AmigaOS is incapable of doing several things like
VM,MP and hardware independance without a complete re-write.
2) Such a re-write would take too long
This is Amiga in spirit rather than code I guess. The look and feel
will be kept.
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Date: 17 May 98 21:51:52 +0200
Subject: Re: Rot-13
> Cygnus Ed can rot13 your text for you.
> Dobbin
I can't find that option, can you tell me how where? found a proggy on
aminet but you have to specify the file and the de-archive file.
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:57:10 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: Fonts
Hello Eoghann
On 18-May-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
> Hi Ralph Twiss :)
>
> On 17-May-98, Ralph Twiss wrote:
>snip-->
> Err, don't you mean non-proportional?
snip-->
> non-proportional fonts are those where every letter is the same width.
> Just so we know what each other is talking about. ;)
snip-->
I must learn to read the manual , I must learn to check what I type , I must
learn to......
yep I mean non-proportional
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Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opera
Date: Mon, 18 May 98 11:16:17 +0100 ( + )
Eoghann Irving profoundly said:
> Some people like the all in one approach. I'm not a fan myself, but
> thats one of Thor's attractions to many people, that it does Aminet,
> news and mail all in one.
That is the reason I don't use Thor and am still waiting for a decent Miggy newsreader.
I want to keep mail, news and web entirely seperate.
> Personally I like one program to specialise in each area.
Same here, most of the time I just use mail and I do not want to laod
tons of extras to do it. Plus you can choose the best application in each field if things
are seperate, ARexx can link them all together anyway.
> OS4 will not run on the legacy Amigas. It is for the "Bridge system"
> only.
Yup, I know but which machine will Opera appear on was my question.
I cannot see people porting softwareto a system that will only last
a year, it is more likely they would start on the next generation isn't it.
Have Fun. (tm)
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:38:09 +0000
Subject: Cookies (fwd)
Sorry for the general off-topicness, but I figured there may be
some cookie lovers on this list :-) BTW, can anyone tell me
what a Hershey Bar is??
*** Forwarded message, originally written by Ross Walford on 14-May-98 ***
This was sent to me and I am sending it to everyone that I know as it
says, please could you do as it says and forward it to everyone that you
know.
PLEASE READ AND THEN FORWARD TO OTHERS!!!
My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in
Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are such
cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie". It was so
excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and the waitress
said with a small frown, "I'm afraid not." Well, I said, would you let
me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how
much, and she responded, "Only two fifty, it's great deal!" I said with
approval, "just add it to my tab." Thirty days later, I received my VISA
statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I
remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a
scarf. As I glanced at the,bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie
Recipe - $250.00." That's outrageous!! I called Neiman's Accounting
Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly
does not mean "two hundred fifty" by any *POSSIBLE* interpretation of
the phrase. Nieman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my
money, because according to them, "What the waitress told you is not our
problem. You have already seen the recipe -we absolutely will not refund
your money at this point." I explained to her the criminal statutes
which govern fraud in Texas, and I threatened to refer them to the
Better Business Bureau and the State's Attorney General for engaging in
fraud. I was basically told, "Do what you want, we don't give a crap,
and we're not refunding your money." I waited, thinking of how I could
get even, or even try and my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks
got my $250, and now I'm going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told
her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover in the United
States with an e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from
Neiman-Marcus... for free. She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do this." I
said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me off,
and slammed down the phone on her. So, here it is!!! Please, please,
please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid $250
dollars for this.. I don't want Nieman-Marcus to *ever* get another
penny off of this recipe.
"Neiman-Marcus Cookie".
(Recipe may be halved.):
2 cups butter
4 cups flour
2 tsp. soda
2 cups sugar
5 cups blended oatmeal**
24 oz. chocolate chips
2 cups brown sugar
1 tsp. salt
1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated)
4 eggs
2 tsp. baking powder
2 tsp. vanilla
3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)
Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together
with flour, oatmeal, salt,baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips,
Hershey Bar and nuts.Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a
cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies.
*Have fun!!! This is *not* a joke --- this is a true story. Ride free,
citizens!
PLEASE SEND THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU CAN THINK OF, ITS NOT A JOKE! IT'S
ALSO A GREAT RECIPE!
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Subject: RE: Cookies (fwd)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:41:16 +0100
Is this old chesnut STILL doing the rounds
- it's been going round the net for YEARS AND YEARS
I thought that when I subsribed to this newsgroup that it was an Amiga newsgroup??
NOT A CRAP JOKE SERVER!!!!!
Craig.
BTW - Hersey bar - a kind of chocolate bar very popular in the U.S.
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Sent: 18 May 1998 12:38
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Subject: Cookies (fwd)
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Subject: Fw: Tornado 3D Status
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:44:31 +0100
Hi,
I thought I would pass this on.
Interesting news, PPC support will continue for Tornado and then be ported
to the new machines later.
If others do the same we can have PPC for now and then change later.
Bill.
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From: Casey R Williams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Tornado 3D Status
Date: 17 May 1998 19:39
Consider this an official statement, even if quite short -don't expect more
on
sunday. A complete statement about Tornado3D's future will be made public
in
the course of this week, along with the announcement of a new version of
Tornado3D and some more news.
1) After a slow start in 1997 Tornado3D sales have become extremely good
over
the months and our commitment to the Amiga will continue to be shown with
new
products, sponsorships and press advertisment. We don't think people will
stop
buying innovative software like T3D due to AI announcement considering that
Tornado3d could later be upgraded to the new Amigas and for sure at a much
lesser price.
2) So, in the meantime, Tornado3D development for the Amiga as we know it
today will continue. The PowerPC version will be supported and it's release
-even if in beta- is anytime now. There is really no reason not to support
what's here now, people wants to render faster today and in three and six
and
15 months from now -not only in year 2000.
3) We will anticipate some things that were going to be announced after
summer, in order to provide everybody with a clearer view of T3D and its
future.
4) 18 months are a lot of time in IT industry. Many good things may happen
and
we are very excited about Amiga Inc. providing a rebirth path for the
Amiga.
They are building something for the future and this is a great opportunity
for
all Amiga developers. But don't take "legacy" verbatim, the legacy is the
present and we'll all continue living in it while preparing for the future.
Feel free to repost this message.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:51:17 -0000
Subject: Re: Rot-13
On 17-May-98, Taz wrote:
>> Cygnus Ed can rot13 your text for you.
>> Dobbin
>I can't find that option, can you tell me how where? found a proggy on
>aminet but you have to specify the file and the de-archive file.
>Thanks
Sure. In CED, highlight the text and then go on the cut-and-paste menu
and look for the "Rot Marked" option, I believe it's been there since about
CED Pro V2 so version shouldn't be a problem. Although I think in the
earlier Vs it might have been called "Rot Block".
Good luck,
Dobbin
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:25:16 +0100
Subject: Re: Fw: Tornado 3D Status
Hi Bill Eaves - at work :-( :)
On 18-May-98, Bill Eaves - at work :-( wrote:
> Interesting news, PPC support will continue for Tornado and then be ported
> to the new machines later.
> If others do the same we can have PPC for now and then change later.
This is what I hope that many developers will do. Obviously a PPC only
project is not terribly viable anymore, but many of the PPC stuff in
development was really PPC modules for graphics programs etc. There is no
reason for this not to be released.
18 months is quite a long time after all.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:20:05 +0100
Subject: Re[6]: Opera
Hi Bill eaves :)
On 18-May-98, Bill eaves wrote:
> Eoghann Irving profoundly said:
>> Some people like the all in one approach. I'm not a fan myself, but
>> thats one of Thor's attractions to many people, that it does Aminet,
>> news and mail all in one.
> That is the reason I don't use Thor and am still waiting for a decent Miggy
newsreader.
> I want to keep mail, news and web entirely seperate.
Thats my preference too, but all the browsers do some extras. They all do
ftp, they all do mail and some of them do news as well. I'm surprised they
haven't found a way of getting IRC in there as well, ;)
>> Personally I like one program to specialise in each area.
>> OS4 will not run on the legacy Amigas. It is for the "Bridge system"
>> only.
> Yup, I know but which machine will Opera appear on was my question.
> I cannot see people porting softwareto a system that will only last
> a year, it is more likely they would start on the next generation isn't it.
Well the thing to remember is that if the code is in C then it is very
portable. There is no real reason why developers shouldn't do versions for
680x0, PPC and the new system, unless they are coding badly.
I hope thats what we'll see. At the moment however, people are getting
rather worked up. ;)
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:20:06 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: [ICOA] Wow? (fwd)
Hi :)
I'm forwarding this, because it covers some things that I haven't seen
reported anywhere.
It was part of a fairly hot debate on ICOA so its quite heavily edited.
*** Forwarded message, originally written by Ben Vost on 18-May-98 ***
The fact of the matter is that there will be
continued development in the 68k/PPC arena because without it the
existing developers will all die of fun(d) starvation. Amiga Format took
Fleecy to lunch today and we talked about some of the things that
happened, and the main thing that came out is that AI's stand on matters
mutated rapidly over the course of the weekend, partially owing to their
partners' inability to commit before the show, and partly because of
feedback from the press there and also from developers. Wolf Dietrich
flew over to take part and had long discussions with many people. Sure,
the situation for phase 5 doesn't look as rosy to them as it might once
have done, but at the end of the day this machine belongs to Amiga Inc
and they can pretty much do what they like with it. It's obvious to me
that we, as a community, don't represent a very significant force, and,
if in the cold light of day, Gateway decided to ditch teh lot of us
complaining, strange people, you wouldn't be able to blame them, but
they haven't, and what's more they recognised that something very
drastic had to be done to get the Amiga bought by people again, and it
wouldn't be solved by simply adding a new accelerator or extra
peripheral to the side of your A1200.
[BIG SNIP]
And who says that 3.5 has been fully dropped? Also, calling this bridge
system OS 4 is a bit of a misnomer. What it will actually be is OS5 -1.
It will "become" OS 5 when things are finalised, but it won't really be
an OS in its own right, more of a testbed.
All the best,
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:44:00 -0000
Subject: blizzard scsi kit
hiya folks,
i just bought a blizzard scsi kit from WOA and installed it after a bit of
deft manouvreing.
well, when i switch on or re-boot my machine, it sort of hangs about for
approx 5-6 secs with a blank screen before begining to boot proper. is this
normal ?
thanks
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Subject: RE: What no opinions?
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:14:43 +0100
Hi there Ego
> You know this is the only Amiga place I'm on that isn't full of people
> with opinions on the news. Nobody going to stick their neck out?
Took me a while to fully get to grips with it. Had to read a few of your
e-mails, look at a few web pages etc.
> Personally I'm generally for it. I think PR wise they cocked it up,
> but I like their plans (what I know of them).
As someone who had planned to go to WoA to buy some kit but couldn't in the
end, I learned about it all remotely.
It definitely sounds exciting. A new computer with a new chip(s) doing
amazing stuff. But 1999/2000 (4th quarter 1999 may well slip behind
schedule)is a long way away. I wonder how many more users will drift away
during those 18 months? If, as you say in a later message, the new OS will
be a Linus/BeOS/AmigaOS hybrid and the machine is to be an Amiga "in
spirit", is this what casual or semi-serious users will recognise as an
Amiga?
I think the announcement has curbed my purchasing intentions for my 1200. I
will not now buy a PowerPC card but will get a Power Tower. I haven't
upgraded my serious software for a good while and may not do so. In fact,
most of what I do now I use the PC for as I find MS Office a highly
integrated suite of products which assist me greatly in my work. I cannot
fault Amiga OS 3.1 and find it, together with AFS, a superior stable system
to Win 95 which now falls over about every 2 weeks. BUT having to spend 2
hours re-installing Win 95 and all other programs every 2 weeks is still
prefereable to using equivalent software on my Amiga. I know the fault of
this is my 33Mhz 030 and I may buy an 040 to improve things.
I wanted a PPC + Blizzard Vision (or whatever) to get my 1200 similar to my
old 4000 (040 Warp Engine + Picasso). Now, I just might sit it out until
1999/2000 and buy one of the new Amigas. I can't really afford to maintain
two computers at the cutting edge of their respective technologies. Of
course, from the sound of things, I may be able to transplant my RAM, 3dfx,
Matrox Mystique and Adaptec SCSI cards, together with the tape backup unit
into the new Amiga !
Anyway, that's what I think
Regards
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:58:16 +0100
Subject: Re: blizzard scsi kit
Hi sudhir
On 18-May-98, sudhir wrote:
> i just bought a blizzard scsi kit from WOA and installed it after a bit of
> deft manouvreing.
Yeah, it's a tight fit isn't it :)
> well, when i switch on or re-boot my machine, it sort of hangs about for
> approx 5-6 secs with a blank screen before begining to boot proper. is this
> normal ?
Do you get the blue flickering lines on the screen ? This indicates that your
accelerator is ok (well thats what they told me anyway ;)
I fitted my SCSI add-on ages and ages ago so I don't rightly remember
if it caused a slow down in booting but I'd have to say that a slight delay
like that is easily outweighed by the fact that you now have a groovy SCSI
interface :)
Sorry thats not much help though :((
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Date: 17 May 98 20:31:30 +0100
Subject: Re: AmFTP Update
In reply to what Dave Fisher said about "AmFTP Update"...
> Hi all,
>
> Thought you like might to know Vaporware have updated AmFTP to v1.91 Public.
> Available in lzx or lha, from ftp://ftp.vapor.com
That sounds interesting, I wonder why I didn't get a mail from them,
I'm on their announcement list? Thanks anyway.
> PS. Anyone got Quake ? Played it abit today on my Tower, and was very
> impressed with it. The PPC version should be awesome (if they do it), as its
> very playable on my 060/PIV.
I've had Quake for a few days now, and I love it. It's a bit slow
(o.k. it's a lot slow) on my system but I'm getting by. I've allready
got the fps up to 3.93 with a screen big enough to play, I think thats
about all I can get, I've used every trick I know.
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Date: 17 May 98 20:35:37 +0100
Subject: New OS4 stuff.
Here's something you might like to know..
"OK, here's the story. There is a superchip out there that very few ppl know
about we found out about it because of the GW2k connection the problem is, it
won't be available until at least 1Q/99, which means that systems won't exist
until at least 4Q/99... to develop an OS for it, we have to use simulators.
The chip companies simulators and compilers are all x86 platform to develop
for OS4, we have to use the tools to create the OS and the APIs. It does mean
a brief flirtation with x86, but not with Windows as soon as the chip is
available, we will move everything across and voila, bye bye x86."
Fleecy Moos, Project Manager of AInc
I want to know what this superchip is? Who makes it??
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:11:12 +0100
Subject: Re: AmFTP Update
Hi Dave
On 17-May-98, you wrote:
> Hi all,
> Thought you like might to know Vaporware have updated AmFTP to v1.91 Public.
> Available in lzx or lha, from ftp://ftp.vapor.com
Cheers for that I will have to download it.
> PS. Anyone got Quake ? Played it abit today on my Tower, and was very
> impressed with it.
Don't tell me about it, I pre-ordered that damn thing from Click Boom in
January, it still has not arrived yet - BAH.
Regards
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:38:25 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: What no opinions?
Hi Eoghann
On 18-May-98, you wrote:
> The way the information got out was a major cockup. Because it
> came out in drips it gave the rumour mongers far too much time to
> dream up stuff.
I think that is an understatement ;-)
I am now actually looking forward to the new Amiga, I will keep my Amiga as it
is and still buy software as it will by 1999 be able to run anyway as by then
even if not thought of now an emulator would be included. i do not want
antything like PC Task or SS but transparent emulation like the Mac PPC did
with 68k code. I believe Fusion can do this to some extent for using Amiga
libs from the mac side and vice-versa ???? i could be talking bollox as I have
been "getting around" to buying Fusion for ages, waiting for the Gfx card to
arrive still.
> Plus, as you say it doesn't stop working after that.
I think the 060 will make a nice second machine for quite a while. I still
have a working Powertran Cortex, a bit old now but in the days of 8 bit, it
was the first 16 bit machine, problem was you had to build it yourself so it
never had much of a user base.
> Hardware wise you can still buy RAM, hard drives, CD-Roms etc. etc.
Well I already have 38Mb Ram in this baby and got a 4 way CD 8x unit. They of
course would be useable in the next machine.
> Well technically, and to the purist this /isn't/ an Amiga. The new OS
> will be based on the core of another OS LINUX/BeOS/something. This is
> essential for two reasons.
I do not consider an A500 an Amiga it is too old and limited ;-)
So is a basic A1200 now for a lot of things.
> 1) The current AmigaOS is incapable of doing several things like
> VM,MP and hardware independance without a complete re-write.
VM was added to MS and Macs when RAM was expensive, it is now a pain in the
butt if you work with PCs. My miggy has 38Mb Ram and I never need to use
virtual memory, virtual Chip Mem would be handy but I hope the new Amiga will
do away with that limitation. At work the PCs spend all their time clicking
away doing nothing for ages while swapping Ram and HD space. OK they are under
powered on the Ram front but PCs are made that way, because of VM thay can use
(sort of) applications that they really ought not to. It is daft Ram is so
cheap now that VM is not needed except for extreme cases and its use should be
discouraged as it turns fast CPUs into lethargic sub ZX81 systems.
> 2) Such a re-write would take too long
Agreed. Apart from VM which I dislike as I work with it, a new OS would take
far too long to write. We need memory protection, not like on PC but one that
works, crash protection (same I suppose), better task handling etc.
I would NOT like to lose multiple screens, and preferably keep screen dragging
something lost with Gfx cards now. The configurability of MUI is something I
would not like to lose either, on a fast machine (even 060) the old arguments
about it being to slow just do not hold up anymore.
As long as we gain but not lose features I will be happy with the new system.
One final point. Much of the software in recent years has been excellent and
kept the Amiga alive. I work in the Net business and YAM is better than any
mail programme I have seen on other platforms that are written by
"professional" coders. MUI has transformed the Amiga in such a way that I now
consifder non MUI applications a bit amateurish.
Can people like Marcel Beck who have provided us with freeware of very high
standard, afford to buy the new interim machine to develop on? Will this only
be available for the big compnies who may have resources to produce a lot of
very good software but not be available to those who have the skill and
enthusiasm to produce the gems we now rely on and make us proud to own an
Amiga even if the hardware is a bit old !
Will AI support these coders who stopped the Amiga from dying an d kept alive
the market but who may not have huge resoureces and large financial backing.
Regards
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:09:47 +0100
Subject: Re: blizzard scsi kit
Hi sudhir
On 18-May-98, you wrote:
> i just bought a blizzard scsi kit from WOA
> well, when i switch on or re-boot my machine, it sort of hangs about for
> approx 5-6 secs with a blank screen before begining to boot proper. is this
> normal ?
Yes it is checking the SCSI bus to see what devices are attached.
It is a real pain with mine, the SCSI doesn't work and the board is just a RAM
holder for my 1260 board, so the initial check is very annoying :-(
Thing is the 1260 only holds single sidedsimms so I need the duff SCSI card to
hold the RAM and still have to wait for it to check the ***** bus that doesn't
work :-(
Regards
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:59:40 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: [ICOA] Wow? (fwd)
Hi Eoghann
On 18-May-98, you wrote:
> I'm forwarding this, because it covers some things that I haven't seen
> reported anywhere.
Plus you are going for this week's posting stats ;-)
Anyway I had better write a bit moreso I do not get too high a quotation mark
:-)
Didn't this Ben Vost guy used to have a real job with Amiga Computing before
going
to Amiga Doormat or something similar ?
Regards
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:45:40 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: AmFTP Update
Hi Paul
On 17-May-98, you wrote:
> In reply to what Dave Fisher said about "AmFTP Update"...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thought you like might to know Vaporware have updated AmFTP to v1.91
Public.
>> Available in lzx or lha, from ftp://ftp.vapor.com
> That sounds interesting, I wonder why I didn't get a mail from them,
> I'm on their announcement list? Thanks anyway.
I could not find a link to it from www.vapor.com either?
> I've had Quake for a few days now, and I love it.
Lucky bugger. I /paid/ for this in January and am *still* waiting. The demo
runs
superbly on my 66Mhz 060 though and that is still with AGA. It should be good
when I get the Gfx card, also pre-ordered in January - guess what still
waiting.
Both I could have bought at WOA and had them here now :-(
I HATE pre-orders and will /never/ do this again!
Regards
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Date: 18 May 98 17:36:24 +0200
Subject: Re: Cookies (fwd)
> I thought that when I subsribed to this newsgroup that it was an Amiga newsgroup??
> NOT A CRAP JOKE SERVER!!!!!
> Craig.
Mmmmmm I didn't even realise this was a newsgroup. My understanding is that
it is an open mailinglist run by Eden of InternetFCI since a number of
ex-users of InternetFCI and users wanted somewhere to talk about Amiga's
and other things of interest since the mailinglist run by FCI is a closed
one.
It was mentioned previously if anyone objected to the odd Joke being sent,
and I don't remember anyone objecting. Maybe you have joined recently, and
missed that bit. Surely a polite enquiry regarding what this group was all
about, and any changes that might have happened since you heard about it
would have been more appropriate.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:02:57 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: What no opinions?
On 18-May-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
> Actually one of the worst culprits in that was CU Amiga. ;)
>
> Their relentless optimism tends to turn every press release into a
> blueprint for the future. :)
What's wrong with a bit of optimism now and again?
Besides, I would not take anything that was said last weekend to be carved in
stone. Wait until the dust settles. Even if Amiga Inc. have no plans to
support PPC, does not mean that they will not license other people to support
it.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:08:16 +0100
Subject: Re[4]: What no opinions?
Hi Richard Drummond :)
On 18-May-98, Richard Drummond wrote:
> On 18-May-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
>> Actually one of the worst culprits in that was CU Amiga. ;)
>>
>> Their relentless optimism tends to turn every press release into a
>> blueprint for the future. :)
> What's wrong with a bit of optimism now and again?
Purely my personal opinion of course, but I like facts from my magazines
rather than warm fuzzies. Its something thats bugged me about UK computer
magazines going right back to "Your Sinclair" and "Sinclair User".
Don't take my comment to heart. I picked CU to mention because I knew you
were on the list. :)
> Besides, I would not take anything that was said last weekend to be carved
in
> stone. Wait until the dust settles. Even if Amiga Inc. have no plans to
> support PPC, does not mean that they will not license other people to
support
> it.
Agreed. Discussion on the ICOA list (a few bits of which I've forwarded, but
most of which I can't) suggests that something Petro said (incorrectly at the
time) about OS3.5 development, may turn out to be true. Now there's an irony
for you. :)
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:16:50 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Hi John Coates :)
On 18-May-98, John Coates wrote:
> Took me a while to fully get to grips with it. Had to read a few of your
> e-mails, look at a few web pages etc.
It was explained to me today that A Inc didn't mean for the news to leak on
Friday. Don't ask me how they thought it wouldn't!!!!
> It definitely sounds exciting. A new computer with a new chip(s) doing
> amazing stuff. But 1999/2000 (4th quarter 1999 may well slip behind
> schedule)is a long way away. I wonder how many more users will drift away
> during those 18 months? If, as you say in a later message, the new OS will
> be a Linus/BeOS/AmigaOS hybrid and the machine is to be an Amiga "in
> spirit", is this what casual or semi-serious users will recognise as an
> Amiga?
First off I'm not sure if the Linux/BeOS kernel will be used for anything
other than the Bridge machine. I haven't been able to get a clear answer on
that one. Either way, the "look and feel" will be maintained. You'll have
datatypes, you'll have a GUI which, while updated, keeps the Amiga
responsiveness to it etc.
> I think the announcement has curbed my purchasing intentions for my 1200. I
> will not now buy a PowerPC card but will get a Power Tower. I haven't
> upgraded my serious software for a good while and may not do so. In fact,
> most of what I do now I use the PC for as I find MS Office a highly
> integrated suite of products which assist me greatly in my work. I cannot
> fault Amiga OS 3.1 and find it, together with AFS, a superior stable system
> to Win 95 which now falls over about every 2 weeks. BUT having to spend 2
> hours re-installing Win 95 and all other programs every 2 weeks is still
> prefereable to using equivalent software on my Amiga. I know the fault of
> this is my 33Mhz 030 and I may buy an 040 to improve things.
You /may/, and I stress may, be able to get the Bridge system for your PC
(essentially an Amiga on a card). This would be faster than your current
solution.
That isn't a guaranteed though. There doesn't seem to have been a final
decison whether users will be sold these things as well as developers.
Despite my dislike of M$ and its business practices, I agree with you that
there is nothing comparable to say MS Word on the Amiga. Sad but true.
> I wanted a PPC + Blizzard Vision (or whatever) to get my 1200 similar to my
> old 4000 (040 Warp Engine + Picasso). Now, I just might sit it out until
> 1999/2000 and buy one of the new Amigas. I can't really afford to maintain
> two computers at the cutting edge of their respective technologies. Of
> course, from the sound of things, I may be able to transplant my RAM, 3dfx,
> Matrox Mystique and Adaptec SCSI cards, together with the tape backup unit
> into the new Amiga !
Hold any decisions on PowerUp for about two weeks. The position should be
clearer by then.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:28:02 +0100
Subject: Re[4]: What no opinions?
Hi Bill Eaves :)
On 18-May-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
> On 18-May-98, you wrote:
> I am now actually looking forward to the new Amiga, I will keep my Amiga as
it
> is and still buy software as it will by 1999 be able to run anyway as by
then
> even if not thought of now an emulator would be included. i do not want
> antything like PC Task or SS but transparent emulation like the Mac PPC did
> with 68k code. I believe Fusion can do this to some extent for using Amiga
> libs from the mac side and vice-versa ???? i could be talking bollox as I
have
> been "getting around" to buying Fusion for ages, waiting for the Gfx card
to
> arrive still.
I don't own Fusion but I understand that applications on the Amiga side are
able to talk to applications on the Mac side of things. Very clever if you
ask me.
>> 1) The current AmigaOS is incapable of doing several things like
>> VM,MP and hardware independance without a complete re-write.
> VM was added to MS and Macs when RAM was expensive, it is now a pain in the
> butt if you work with PCs. My miggy has 38Mb Ram and I never need to use
> virtual memory, virtual Chip Mem would be handy but I hope the new Amiga
will
> do away with that limitation. At work the PCs spend all their time clicking
> away doing nothing for ages while swapping Ram and HD space. OK they are
under
> powered on the Ram front but PCs are made that way, because of VM thay can
use
> (sort of) applications that they really ought not to. It is daft Ram is so
> cheap now that VM is not needed except for extreme cases and its use should
be
> discouraged as it turns fast CPUs into lethargic sub ZX81 systems.
This is what most people who've only experience Mac or Windows VM say. My
response is to say take a look at VM on a UNIX machine. *Properly*
integrated VM should be unnoticeable and makes for a more stable machine.
I'm guessing here but I suspect that in both the Mac and Windows cases VM was
added to an existing OS without preparing the ground properly. I could be
wrong, but given that the size and slowness of both OS's is generally caused
by such actions I think not.
>> 2) Such a re-write would take too long
> Agreed. Apart from VM which I dislike as I work with it, a new OS would
take
> far too long to write. We need memory protection, not like on PC but one
that
> works, crash protection (same I suppose), better task handling etc.
Again you should look at UNIX to see how MP is *supposed* to work. :)
> I would NOT like to lose multiple screens, and preferably keep screen
dragging
> something lost with Gfx cards now. The configurability of MUI is something
I
> would not like to lose either, on a fast machine (even 060) the old
arguments
> about it being to slow just do not hold up anymore.
This sounds to me like a "look and feel" thing and so I would expect it to be
maintained. If I remember correctly the CyberGraphics cards can do screen
dragging so its clearly perfectly feasible.
There is really only one problem with MUI in my book and thats its
responsiveness rather than its speed. For some reason (I assume there was a
reason but I don't know what it is) the author chose not to give the gadgets
a high priority like standard Amiga gadgets. Thats why when you click a
button nothing happens in MUI sometimes. Very Windows like.
> One final point. Much of the software in recent years has been excellent
and
> kept the Amiga alive. I work in the Net business and YAM is better than any
> mail programme I have seen on other platforms that are written by
> "professional" coders. MUI has transformed the Amiga in such a way that I
now
> consifder non MUI applications a bit amateurish.
Having written a few simple GUI's using GadTools, I can tell you that the
reason non-MUI GUI's look a bit amateurish is usually because basic GadTools
doesn't have an easy way to do things like font-sensitivity and re-sizeable
windows. To do that you have to write the code yourself, which is very
tedious.
> Can people like Marcel Beck who have provided us with freeware of very high
> standard, afford to buy the new interim machine to develop on? Will this
only
> be available for the big compnies who may have resources to produce a lot
of
> very good software but not be available to those who have the skill and
> enthusiasm to produce the gems we now rely on and make us proud to own an
> Amiga even if the hardware is a bit old !
> Will AI support these coders who stopped the Amiga from dying an d kept
alive
> the market but who may not have huge resoureces and large financial
backing.
Well remember that this Bridge computer is essentially a PC + Amiga PCI card.
Gateway makes PCs. So Amiga Inc may well be able to sell this thing to
developers at close to cost price.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:53:14 -0000
Subject: Re: blizzard scsi kit
On 18-May-98, Paul Ferguson wrote:
>Hi sudhir
>On 18-May-98, sudhir wrote:
>> i just bought a blizzard scsi kit from WOA and installed it after a bit of
>> deft manouvreing.
>Yeah, it's a tight fit isn't it :)
vicar .... tart yada yada yada :)
>> well, when i switch on or re-boot my machine, it sort of hangs about for
>> approx 5-6 secs with a blank screen before begining to boot proper. is this
>> normal ?
>Do you get the blue flickering lines on the screen ? This indicates that your
>accelerator is ok (well thats what they told me anyway ;)
yup got the blue lines and i just this minute got my WOA-purchased cd
re-writer
fired up and running :))))
>managed to >I fitted my SCSI add-on ages and ages ago so I don't rightly
remember
>if it caused a slow down in booting but I'd have to say that a slight delay
>like that is easily outweighed by the fact that you now have a groovy SCSI
>interface :)
>Sorry thats not much help though :((
the fact that my new gizmo is officially groovey is helpful :) thanks m8.
sud.[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:16:43 -0000
Subject: Re: Cookies (fwd)
On 18-May-98, Taz wrote:
>> I thought that when I subsribed to this newsgroup that it was an Amiga
>newsgroup??
>> NOT A CRAP JOKE SERVER!!!!!
>> Craig.
>It was mentioned previously if anyone objected to the odd Joke being sent,
>and I don't remember anyone objecting. Maybe you have joined recently, and
>missed that bit. Surely a polite enquiry regarding what this group was all
>about, and any changes that might have happened since you heard about it
>would have been more appropriate.
>Taz
u said it m8. i most heartily agree.
a bit of humour never did any harm ..... unless of course u were ROTFL and u
happened to roll into something nasty :)
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Date: 19 May 98 18:31:26 +0200
Subject: Re: Rot-13
> Sure. In CED, highlight the text and then go on the cut-and-paste menu
> naq ybbx sbe gur "Ebg Znexrq" bcgvba, V oryvrir vg'f orra gurer fvapr nobhg
> PRQ Ceb I2 fb irefvba fubhyqa'g or n ceboyrz. Nygubhtu V guvax va gur
> rneyvre If vg zvtug unir orra pnyyrq "Ebg Oybpx".
> Good luck,
> Dobbin
Cheers m8 I dont know how I managed to miss that :-) Thanks now I can read
those hints and reply in the way desired.
Svanyyl n aba Nzvtn dhrfgvba, ohg V qba'g fhccbfr nalbar xabjf bs nalbar
jub yvirf va be nebhaq Lbex jub pna puvc zl cynlfgngvba fb V pna cynl gubfr
vzcbegf sebz HFN?
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:01:59 -0000
Subject: Re: blizzard scsi kit
On 18-May-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
>Hi sudhir
>On 18-May-98, you wrote:
>> i just bought a blizzard scsi kit from WOA
>> well, when i switch on or re-boot my machine, it sort of hangs about for
>> approx 5-6 secs with a blank screen before begining to boot proper. is this
>> normal ?
>Yes it is checking the SCSI bus to see what devices are attached.
>It is a real pain with mine, the SCSI doesn't work and the board is just a
RAM
>holder for my 1260 board, so the initial check is very annoying :-(
>Thing is the 1260 only holds single sidedsimms so I need the duff SCSI card
to
>hold the RAM and still have to wait for it to check the ***** bus that
doesn't
>work :-(
thanks 4 putting my mind at ease.
i dig the "annoying" bit. its amazing how long 5-6 seconds seems when you're
used 2 not having 2 wait.
hey, at least u have a working simm. ½ the reason i bought the scsi kit was
because i had an 8-meg simm lying around on my desk in its anti-static pack.
When i slotted it in the puter would just continually guru. somehow the simm
had
gone wonky just literally sitting on my desk. is it possible 2 get
simms fixed or ain't it worth it ?
thanks again.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:58:15 +0100
Subject: Re: AmFTP Update
Hi Bill,
On 18-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[2]: AmFTP Update,
> I could not find a link to it from www.vapor.com either?
You won't :) Thats why I supplied the ftp address, its in the amftp directory.
For some reason Vapor don't seem to update the website very often, or announce
these programs via the Announce mailing list. Dunno why.
BTW, Miami3.0b has been out for sometime if anyone hasn't got it.
Best Regards,
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:51:34 +0100
Subject: Newsgroup or Mailing List ? (Was: Re: Cookies (fwd))
Hi Taz,
On 18-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: Cookies (fwd),
> Mmmmmm I didn't even realise this was a newsgroup. My understanding is that
> it is an open mailinglist run by Eden of InternetFCI since a number of
> ex-users of InternetFCI and users wanted somewhere to talk about Amiga's
> and other things of interest since the mailinglist run by FCI is a closed
> one.
Many Internet users seem to class mailing lists as newsgroups. I've had this
when trying to explain what they are to other users at work. I think this was
just a clash of descriptions.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:42:15 +0100
Subject: Re: AmFTP Update & Quake
Hi Paul,
On 17-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: AmFTP Update,
>> Thought you like might to know Vaporware have updated AmFTP to v1.91
Public.
> That sounds interesting, I wonder why I didn't get a mail from them,
> I'm on their announcement list? Thanks anyway.
I didn't get it via the announce list either. Its just I have a habit of
checking all my software sites for latest versions daily, or at least weekly.
AmFTP development seemed to have slowed down a lot this past year or so, so it
was nice to see an update.
> I've had Quake for a few days now, and I love it. It's a bit slow
> (o.k. it's a lot slow) on my system but I'm getting by. I've allready
> got the fps up to 3.93 with a screen big enough to play, I think thats
> about all I can get, I've used every trick I know.
Having never even seen Quake before, let alone played it, could you give me
some tricks to try please (private mail). Also how do I find out the fps as
I'd be interested to see what I get (I'm also clocking my CPU to 66 this
weekend I hope, so it'll be nice to compare them). I only brought Quake to
supposrt clickBOOMS support for the PPC, plus to support them in convincing a
large PC player to allow them to prove the Amiga a viable platform.
Best Regards,
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:49:17 +0100
Subject: Re: New OS4 stuff.
Hi Paul,
On 17-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject New OS4 stuff.,
> Here's something you might like to know..
[snip]
At last, now I understand what the bloody hell this was all about. Why o why
couldn't someone have put this into English at the weekend :)
> I want to know what this superchip is? Who makes it??
Having been very interested, suprised, confused and intreged these past few
days, I've been trawling through IRC logs, mailing list flamewars, newsgroup
postings and website rumors trying to peice it all together.
As it stands, no-one except AI know what the chip is, or who makes it. All we
(the end users) know, is
a) Its not made by one of the well known CPU manufacturers, effectively ruling
out Intel & Motorola,
b) Its made by a well known company whos name you'll recognise easily,
Apparently there was a lot more information to be given at WoA, but the deals
with this chip supplier (who works closely with Intel), were not signed in
time, thus the details couldn't be given out. The WoA announcement was
supposidly only a 1/3 or the original announcement planned.
I'm not sure how much of this is true, but these seem to be the main things
that keep coming up.
Best Regards,
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:56:07 +0100
Subject: Re: blizzard scsi kit
Hi Bill,
On 18-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: blizzard scsi kit,
>> well, when i switch on or re-boot my machine, it sort of hangs about for
>> approx 5-6 secs with a blank screen before begining to boot proper. is this
>> normal ?
> Yes it is checking the SCSI bus to see what devices are attached.
Erm :) I've had a SCSI Kit on my 1230 and my 1260 and I've never noticed a
delay at bootup. My entire bootup only takes about 6 or 7 seconds anyway.
I normally run with the SCSI components off, and when I need my CD-ROM or the
ZiP (or the CD-R) I just switch them on and mount them with Unit Control. That
said, even if I do boot with them on, it still doesn't take that long.
Best Regards,
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:16:48 +0100
Subject: Re: What no opinions?
Hi Eoghann,
On 19-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[4]: What no opinions?,
> This sounds to me like a "look and feel" thing and so I would expect it to
be
> maintained. If I remember correctly the CyberGraphics cards can do screen
> dragging so its clearly perfectly feasible.
The VGA chips used on the graphics cards can not do screen dragging, as they
don't have a copper as the Amiga does. The screen dragging under RTG can
currently only be done using CyberGFX, as Picasso96 does not and will not
allow it.
Under RTG the software emulates the copper effect thus performing the
dragging. However that said, there are two things involved, a toss up between
screen dragging and screen/memory management. P96 concentrates purely on the
latter, allowing the optimum number of bitmaps to fit into the onboard RAM.
This makes most things faster, but most significantly the screen swapping.
There is also the fact that (IIRC) screen dragging can only be performed on
screens with the same refresh rate, and the palettes on the various screens
will be screwed up unless the front (or back can't recall) is in a higher
screen depth to allow for the palletes to fit. On top of this a lot of
swapping has to be performed so that the screen to be dragged is at the first
location in the RAM, so if its at the end of the memory locations, it all has
to be swapped about.
In a nutshell, the screen dragging of CyberGFX does indeed drag screens, but
its not like dragging normal screens on a non RTG Amiga.
Klaus and Tobias (VT Hardware Engineer and P96 programmer respecively) have
posted the reasons in much detail on the Picasso mailing list a few times. If
I have saved them, I'll forward the best one.
> There is really only one problem with MUI in my book and thats its
> responsiveness rather than its speed. For some reason (I assume there was a
> reason but I don't know what it is) the author chose not to give the gadgets
> a high priority like standard Amiga gadgets. Thats why when you click a
> button nothing happens in MUI sometimes. Very Windows like.
I've heard this before, but I've never ever found MUI to be unresponsive. Do
you have a particular time this occours, or a reproducable enviroment ?
> Having written a few simple GUI's using GadTools, I can tell you that the
> reason non-MUI GUI's look a bit amateurish is usually because basic GadTools
> doesn't have an easy way to do things like font-sensitivity and re-sizeable
> windows. To do that you have to write the code yourself, which is very
> tedious.
I agree wholeheartedly ! This is why I hope very much MUI would be apart of a
future OS. If MUI itself can or won't be used, I certainly do hope that
whatever kind of GUI is used, it has many of the features of MUI.
Best Regards,
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From: Gavin Laws
Subject: Re: Rot-13
In article <3561CFFE.MD-0.198.taz@devil.u-net.com>, Taz
>
>Finally a non Amiga question, but I don't suppose anyone knows of anyone
>who lives in or around York who can chip my playstation so I can play those
>imports from USA
erm dunno m8y ;o) i know bald has his chipped ;p might be worth asking
where he got it done ;o) from gav
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:13:06 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: blizzard scsi kit
Hi sudhir
On 19-May-98, you wrote:
> hey, at least u have a working simm.
> is it possible 2 get simms fixed or ain't it worth it ?
SIMMS are so cheap now it won't be worth it, may as well get a new one.
Regards
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: PalomaIV (Was: Re: Rot-13)
Hi Dave Fisher, on 18-May-98 00:07:57 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>> The UK version of the TV module (is that the PabloIV?) hasn't been done yet
>> according to Klaus..
> Ah ha ! Thanks Norman, I just emailed Klaus to ask him that aswell :) When was
> this announced, if it was in the last few weeks I wouldn't have known.
Yeh Klaus mentioned it in the ml about a week ago. From those that have
already got Paloma's they do sound really nice - and the price isn't too
bad either. It was on my shopping list!
But with the recent WOA announcements I think I'll now confine my hardware
purchases to stuff I can transfer and perhaps use in a next gen amiga..
> And no, its the PalomaIV, the PabloIV is the other bit :) The PAL
> encoder-come-digital-genlocky-type-thingy. I forget the correct description :)
Ah.. I keep getting 'em mixed up. :)
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:59:09 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: blizzard scsi kit
Hello Dave
On 19-May-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
-> Hi Bill,
-> On 18-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: blizzard scsi kit,
-> I normally run with the SCSI components off, and when I need my CD-ROM or
the
-> ZiP (or the CD-R) I just switch them on and mount them with Unit Control.
That
-> said, even if I do boot with them on, it still doesn't take that long.
On my 1260 board with SCSI the boot up time depends on the maprom connector
being
on or off. If it is off then the bootup is around 30 seconds and the maprom
feature is
used. When the tag is on the boot up time is only a matter of seconds. As far
as I can
tell a little connector is not supplied to fit the 2 pins next to the CPU. The
read.me
on the disk that came with the board has some info on this.
Also note the OS3 and OS3.1 do not have the same boot up times. I also think
that the
attempt by Escom to market the A1200 had an even longer boot up time that
caused some
games to fail without a patch.
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Subject: What no opinions?
Date: 20 May 1998 01:27:47
On 17 May 98 Dobbin wrote about 'What no opinions?'.
>> No-one is encouraging you to go with any particular hardware.
D> Can you honestly say, stepping back in time one month, two, or maybe
D> three, that, at that time, it would have seemed unlikely to most users
D> that the Amiga was evolving towards further PPC incorporation?
Well obviously I can't speak for most users, only myself, but then I do have
some rather contacts ....
D> And if you can say that... then can you also tell me what next weeks
D> lottery numbers are? Ta. 8)
..unfortunately, none of them work in TV :)
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
Subject: What no opinions?
Date: 20 May 1998 01:04:32
On 18 May 98 Eoghann Irving wrote about 'What no opinions?'.
EI> Err, well if you don't think announcing a new OS based on a non
EI> AmigaOS core, plus a new CPU/graphics/whatever chip is big news, what
EI> do you call big news?
The plans for OS5.0 are great, if they get that far. On the subject of the Bridge,
I thought the move to Intel was almost inevitable. Obviously I was a minority.
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
Subject: Re[3]: What no opinions?
Date: 20 May 1998 01:30:03
On 18 May 98 Eoghann Irving wrote about 'Re[3]: What no opinions?'.
EI> m8 the only reason I know this is because I've spent about 5 hours
EI> wading through IRC logs, not to mention grabbing a couple of informed
EI> chaps while they were on IRC and asking them questions.
Well then let me congratulate you on selecting the truth out of all the
rumours and missdemeaners on IRC over the weekend. I spent all day Saturday,
up till 5:00 AM and most of Sunday trying to calm people down and tell them
what was going on. Just because my name wasn't Joe Torre or Petro, they
wouldn't believe me. I finally got fed up with it all, and let itself burn
out.
EI> For those who weren't at any of the press conferences, getting facts
EI> has not been easy.
I did try, honest Guv!
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
Subject: Rot-13
Date: 20 May 1998 01:28:51
On 18 May 98 Dave Fisher wrote about 'Rot-13'.
>> Which day did you go? They sold out of loads of stuff Saturday. I was
>> lucky to get my Prelude.
DF> Today (Sunday) as I was knackered on Saturday as I'd just flown in from
DF> Oz :)
That's as good a reason as any :)
DF> Anyway, the TV-Tuner reason was not out of stock, but more not
DF> available, even
DF> last year, so surely they know by now to bring more than enough stock
DF> for the weekend.
Which is OK if they can get enough. I had to wait until Sunday for Thomas
Wenzel himself to bring my Prelude in. Even then he didn't believe me that
it didn't work :(
DF> On top of that, the Video Module for the MicroniK has been out of stock
DF> in the UK for MONTHS, so thats not BlitterSofts fault, I agree. But
thats not
Unfortunately, there seems to be some strange shit going on with Micronik,
they have stopped shipping into the UK currently, as there are no stocks
of Micronik Scan-doublers at all. Still, it was a good excuse to buy the
PicassoIV ;)
DF> like the ever helpfull guys at Weird Science.
Yup, nice bunch of lads. We had a few laughs together over the weekend.
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Date: 20 May 1998 01:13:33
On 18 May 98 Eoghann Irving wrote about 'Re[2]: What no opinions?'.
I hope you won't mind me butting in here...
EI> Its not intel with emulator, its Amiga PCI board + x86, which should
EI> be faster than a native 680x0 Amiga.
..but the PCI card will be for 3.1 compliance. OS4.0 will run entirely on x86.
OS4.0 will be a HAL, containing an API layer that the software will run on.
This then makes it easy to push OS5.0 onto the new Convergence-Ware platform.
EI> I heard this one too early on. But since them people who I tend to
EI> believe have told me that there will be some form of emulation for the
EI> 1999 Amiga.
The story with this is, that if all goes well, the new machine will be so damn
quick, it'll emulate what we have now quicker than our current hardware and more.
EI> That depends. The real consumer Amiga won't be here for 18 months. EI> The "Bridge system" is /mainly/ a developer machine. PPC software
EI> could be produced anyway, depends whether the developers panic or not.
Phase 5 cannot afford to throw away PPC. One way or another there WILL be PPC support.
EI> This is Amiga in spirit rather than code I guess. The look and feel
EI> will be kept.
Can I quote you on this in 99? ;)
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:54:50 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: New OS4 stuff.
On 19-May-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
> As it stands, no-one except AI know what the chip is, or who makes it. All
we
> (the end users) know, is
>
> a) Its not made by . . .
> b) Its made by a well known company whos name you'll recognise easily,
I don't know where you got part b) from. What I heard was that nobody who is
not involved in the electronics industry will ever have heard of this
unspecified CPU manufacturer. Joe Torre said you could guess as long as you
like and you would never guess this company. Maybe he was just bluffing?
> Apparently there was a lot more information to be given at WoA, but the
deals
> with this chip supplier (who works closely with Intel), were not signed in
> time, thus the details couldn't be given out. The WoA announcement was
> supposidly only a 1/3 or the original announcement planned.
IMHO the deal with the chip manufacturer was not specified for reasons of
secrecy. Amiga do not want the big players in the industry knowing what they
are up to.
The missing part of the announcement was the "partner" for OS4.0. OS4.0 will
be based on the kernel from an existing OS - maybe BeOS, Linux, whatever. I
could some give shrewd guesses as why this announcement was delayed. ;-)
Richard
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Subject: Re: What no opinions?
Date: Wed, 20 May 98 10:24:04 +0100 ( + )
bml profoundly said:
> The plans for OS5.0 are great, if they get that far.
Obviously you *do* have more information than the rest of us.
Bill.[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:04:32 +0100
Subject: Re: What no opinions?
Hi bml :)
On 20-May-98, bml wrote:
> The plans for OS5.0 are great, if they get that far. On the subject of the
Bridge,
> I thought the move to Intel was almost inevitable. Obviously I was a
minority.
OS5 is a long way off. It could all go wrong. On the other hand I could get
run over so I tend not to worry too much about that. ;)
I'm not astonished by the Intel move. I did think they'd stick with PPC at
least partially mind you, but I expected an x86 port at the very least.
What realy caught me by surprise was the move to a new kernel and the dumping
of OS3.5
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:01:43 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Hi Dave :)
On 19-May-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
> The VGA chips used on the graphics cards can not do screen dragging, as
they
> don't have a copper as the Amiga does. The screen dragging under RTG can
> currently only be done using CyberGFX, as Picasso96 does not and will not
> allow it.
The copper is I think the only custom chip in the Amiga which hasn't been
replicated in some form by PC cards. Unfortunately its woefully underpowered
now.
> Under RTG the software emulates the copper effect thus performing the
> dragging. However that said, there are two things involved, a toss up
between
> screen dragging and screen/memory management. P96 concentrates purely on
the
> latter, allowing the optimum number of bitmaps to fit into the onboard RAM.
> This makes most things faster, but most significantly the screen swapping.
Of course we should keep in mind that the Picasso and Cybergraphics cards
would sell for about $30 on the PC. The newer cards have substantially more
power.
I can see no reason that multiple screens would be dropped. They're too
useful. Screen-dragging is to my mind less important.
>> There is really only one problem with MUI in my book and thats its
>> responsiveness rather than its speed. For some reason (I assume there was
a
>> reason but I don't know what it is) the author chose not to give the
gadgets
>> a high priority like standard Amiga gadgets. Thats why when you click a
>> button nothing happens in MUI sometimes. Very Windows like.
> I've heard this before, but I've never ever found MUI to be unresponsive.
Do
> you have a particular time this occours, or a reproducable enviroment ?
Anytime when the system is busy basically. Its a direct result of the
gadgets having a low priority unlike the native GadTools system. You've got
a faster system than mine so not all of my examples would neccessarily work.
Try getting IBROWSE to download and display a large page with loads of
graphics on, preferably big jpegs. Then click the stop button. Its not
uncommon for the button to not actually depress until several seconds later.
> I agree wholeheartedly ! This is why I hope very much MUI would be apart of
a
> future OS. If MUI itself can or won't be used, I certainly do hope that
> whatever kind of GUI is used, it has many of the features of MUI.
MUI won't be part of a future OS unless its developer becomes part of the OS
team. Its just not practical to support otherwise. There are also certain
support problems raised by its level of configurability.
In order to support an application over the net or phone you have to be
confident that a button is where you're telling the user it is. ;)
Its not an insoluble problem, but simply chucking MUI into the OS API won't
do. Oh dear, far too many acronyms there!
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:08:38 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: What no opinions?
Hi bml :)
On 20-May-98, bml wrote:
> On 18 May 98 Eoghann Irving wrote about 'Re[2]: What no opinions?'.
> I hope you won't mind me butting in here...
Thats what mailing lists are for :)
>> Its not intel with emulator, its Amiga PCI board + x86, which should
>> be faster than a native 680x0 Amiga.
> ..but the PCI card will be for 3.1 compliance. OS4.0 will run entirely on
x86.
> OS4.0 will be a HAL, containing an API layer that the software will run on.
> This then makes it easy to push OS5.0 onto the new Convergence-Ware
platform.
But OS4.0 is unlikely to be much use to any but the most sophisticated of
users. Its likely to be a bit unstable and have very little support.
> The story with this is, that if all goes well, the new machine will be so
damn
> quick, it'll emulate what we have now quicker than our current hardware and
more.
Which would do very nicely thankyou. :)
>> That depends. The real consumer Amiga won't be here for 18 months. EI>
The "Bridge system" is /mainly/ a developer machine. PPC software
>> could be produced anyway, depends whether the developers panic or not.
> Phase 5 cannot afford to throw away PPC. One way or another there WILL be
PPC support.
I'm already hearing rumours of unlikely alliances.
>> This is Amiga in spirit rather than code I guess. The look and feel
>> will be kept.
> Can I quote you on this in 99? ;)
Which bit Amiga in spirit or look and feel?
Feel free in the unlikely event you remember. I can't say I honestly care if
its Amiga like or not. If its a good computer thats all I'm interested in.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:18:34 +0100
Subject: Re[4]: What no opinions?
Hi bml :)
On 20-May-98, bml wrote:
> On 18 May 98 Eoghann Irving wrote about 'Re[3]: What no opinions?'.
> Well then let me congratulate you on selecting the truth out of all the
> rumours and missdemeaners on IRC over the weekend. I spent all day
Saturday,
> up till 5:00 AM and most of Sunday trying to calm people down and tell them
> what was going on. Just because my name wasn't Joe Torre or Petro, they
> wouldn't believe me. I finally got fed up with it all, and let itself burn
> out.
I'm surprised we didn't bump into each other. I had running arguments from
Friday through to Sunday on IRC. I finally called it a day when I started
calling one of the OPs a cretin. :))
Its all a plot by Gateway to get us used to PCs you know.... ;)))
>> For those who weren't at any of the press conferences, getting facts
>> has not been easy.
> I did try, honest Guv!
You and a number of others. Gary Peake must have been up all night answering
questions. Generally the same ones again and again.
I'm currently trying to harass Jesse McClusky into giving me some sort of
Speach transcript over on the ICOA list. But even if he does I suspect I
won't be able to post it anywhere. Apparently the details that we've just
been discussing were never supposed to leak though god knows how they
expected that to work.
One thing that is bothering me a little is a comment Jason Compton made to
me. He felt that Jeff's interest lay entirely on the convergence side of
things and there didn't seem to be much in the way of plans for a desktop
computer.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:40:43 -0000
Subject: MICQ
I have got a copy of the above program but cannot get
it to work :-((
It would appear according to SnoopDOS, that I require
socket.library. After a quick look on Aminet I cannot
find it.
Can someone email or tell me where to find it.
TIA
Daryl
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:19:16 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[3]: What no opinions?
On 18-May-98, Richard Drummond carefully put 2 fingers to the keyboard and
picked out the following letters
>What's wrong with a bit of optimism now and again?
>Richard
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Hi Richard, didn't expect to see you on here but welcome.
As you are on here can you tell us what the story is on
the CU-Mail list ?
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:39:51 +0100
Subject: Re: PalomaIV (Was: Re: Rot-13)
Hi Norman,
On 19-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: PalomaIV (Was: Re: Rot-13),
> Yeh Klaus mentioned it in the ml about a week ago. From those that have
> already got Paloma's they do sound really nice - and the price isn't too
> bad either. It was on my shopping list!
I heard from him a few hours after this and he explained everything. I just
want to know why BS had the price on the wall ?! Strange place ;)
> But with the recent WOA announcements I think I'll now confine my hardware
> purchases to stuff I can transfer and perhaps use in a next gen amiga..
PalomaIV is my last A1200 accessory. I probably won't buy any new hardware
until AmigaII is available, for the simple reason I don't want/need anything !
Software is a different matter, I'll continue to support the authors/companies
where I can.
ooh, and I got my 64MHz Crystal today, so I'll clock my 060 later. If you see
no more messages, then something went wrong ;)
Best Regards,
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:45:45 +0100
Subject: Re: New OS4 stuff.
Hi Richard,
On 19-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[2]: New OS4 stuff.,
> On 19-May-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> b) Its made by a well known company whos name you'll recognise easily,
> I don't know where you got part b) from. What I heard was that nobody who is
> not involved in the electronics industry will ever have heard of this
> unspecified CPU manufacturer. Joe Torre said you could guess as long as you
> like and you would never guess this company. Maybe he was just bluffing?
I really can't remember, but it wasn't just one source, I read it in various
places. I suppose time will tell. I heard Yamaha being thrown about aswell :)
I can't wait to find out who it is, as I really want to know the fullspecs on
it. Currently I've only heard snippits. I only read today about it being able
to decode 4 x HDTV MPEG2 datastreams on the fly. And that it can move
400million polygons/sec (I think, I've forgotten already !) compared to the
VooDoo2's lowly 30million/sec. Even if someone upped that at 90million on the
TA mailing list, but thats still a lot less.
> IMHO the deal with the chip manufacturer was not specified for reasons of
> secrecy. Amiga do not want the big players in the industry knowing what they
> are up to.
Thats true enough. Like I said, most of it appears to be rumors at the moment,
and they were just things that seemed to be cropping up over and over.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:55:55 +0100
Subject: Re: blizzard scsi kit
Hi Howard,
On 19-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[2]: blizzard scsi kit,
> On my 1260 board with SCSI the boot up time depends on the maprom
> connector being on or off. If it is off then the bootup is around 30
> seconds and the maprom feature is used. When the tag is on the boot up
> time is only a matter of seconds. As far as I can tell a little connector
> is not supplied to fit the 2 pins next to the CPU. The read.me on the
> disk that came with the board has some info on this. Also note the OS3
> and OS3.1 do not have the same boot up times. I also think that the
> attempt by Escom to market the A1200 had an even longer boot up time that
> caused some games to fail without a patch.
My machine took exactly 27 seconds to boot, but that said I have so much crap
in my startup-sequence, user-startup sequence and wbstartup, its not exactly a
clean system ;)
I do have the maprom on, but what Bill and Sudir(sp) were talking about, I
beleive was a noticable 5-6 second delay during boot up. Now I've seen this on
a friends A1200 when he had a Zappo CD-ROM connected, and I've also seen it on
my mates A1200T (same config as mine) when he was installing his IDE Buffer,
but that was put down to IDEFix.
When I switch my machine on from cold, I have to reboot after 2 seconds as the
Master takes 2 seconds longer than my Slave to spinup, so it'll boot off of my
DH0.1: partition instead. But immeadiately after pressing the reset button,
the hard drive light ignites, and flickers on and off until the last item in
WBStartUp has loaded. IE. I have no noticable delay during my entire boot
sequence.
I do have OS/ROM3.1, so perhaps thats it ? And my A1200 motherboard is a C=
one (Rev1D). All my system patches, hardware specs and everything you'll never
want to know, is available from my Amiga section on my website if you're
interested.
Best Regards,
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:21:50 +0100
Subject: Re: What no opinions?
Hi Eoghann,
On 20-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[2]: What no opinions?,
> Of course we should keep in mind that the Picasso and Cybergraphics cards
> would sell for about $30 on the PC.
Yeah I know :( That said, its totally transformed my A1200, and I have no
problem forking out £300 again for one that did the same. The fact that VT
have also produced most of the promised add-ons is also an added bonus, as I
didn't really think they'ed ever see the light of day :)
> The newer cards have substantially more power.
They always will with computing. You have to decide that what you have is good
enough for your needs and so stick with it, or that you could be upgrading for
ever. IMO, its always the end users choice (unless you use Windows, then its
down to Gates :)) but its what I like about the Amiga. I didn't need a gfx
card until I got on the net and required 24bit graphics for web browsing. Even
then I didn't need it, but knew it would make things more comfortable. By the
same token, if you are not on the net and only use your Amiga for playing the
odd game, then an 030 A1200 is probably good enough. The user decides here,
not
the OS :)
> I can see no reason that multiple screens would be dropped. They're too
> useful. Screen-dragging is to my mind less important.
Multiple screens should not be dropped, I agree. But if they are, then Virtual
Desktops like those found in Irix would be a good alternative. However, I
couldn't care less about screen dragging as I can't use it anyway. You may
think you can't live without it, but when you can't use it, you soon realise
it was nice, but not a life or death feature. If the future OS has a fully
funky clipboard system, you'll never need it again :)
>> I've heard this before, but I've never ever found MUI to be unresponsive.
>> Do you have a particular time this occours, or a reproducable enviroment ?
> Anytime when the system is busy basically. Its a direct result of the
> gadgets having a low priority unlike the native GadTools system. You've got
> a faster system than mine so not all of my examples would neccessarily work.
I haven't always had this system you know ;))
> Try getting IBROWSE to download and display a large page with loads of
> graphics on, preferably big jpegs. Then click the stop button. Its not
> uncommon for the button to not actually depress until several seconds later.
Hmmm, Just after I wrote this, the thing happened in AmFTP. I clicked
Disconnect and it didn't. I sat there thinking "Huh, I'm sure I pressed it !"
tried again and it worked. I've never really noticed it before though :)
> MUI won't be part of a future OS unless its developer becomes part of the OS
> team. Its just not practical to support otherwise. There are also certain
> support problems raised by its level of configurability.
To be honest, I never though MUI would be incuded in the OS, although I
personally hoped it would. There are tooo many anti-MUI users I think. It
would cause an uproar !
That said, I like MUIs idea, and would very much like to see that included.
The fact I can change my fonts in my gadgets, the images in my buttons, the
colour of the button, the frame style etc., I know its all only cosmetic, but
to me its something I'd hate to loose.
> In order to support an application over the net or phone you have to be
> confident that a button is where you're telling the user it is. ;)
LOL, never thought of it like that :) Mind you, with the exception of iBrowse,
I don't know any other applications where you can drag and drop great chuncks
of the GUI about. Are there any ? I was thinking more of the customisation
described above, than mutilating the actual GUI. Mind you, could be
interesting. Workbench Title Bar up the left hand side anyone ? :))
> Its not an insoluble problem, but simply chucking MUI into the OS API won't
> do. Oh dear, far too many acronyms there!
I never said chuck MUI into the OS API :) I know it would take more than that.
I was only stating I'd like a system based on MUI. For a start I'd like to see
global drag and drop across all applications, the ability to change the font
in everything (yeah yeah I like to play :)). In order to do that as it stands,
either the programmer spends ages coding the option to do this, or they use
MUI. Having an MUI-ish system in the future GUI, would IMO, save many
programmers a lot of time. Thats one of the things most programmers say about
MUI. They don't all like it, but it means they can spend there time working on
the core code, not the GUI. Unfortunately for the end user, they see the GUI
and not the core code, so thats the bit they like to play with. So why not
let, in the current case, an external program do it, but in the future case,
the OS do it. IYSWIM :)
Time to go, the repair mans here to re-pad my cell ....
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:01:37 +0100
Subject: WoA (Was: Re: Rot-13)
Hi Simon,
On 20-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Rot-13,
> On 18 May 98 Dave Fisher wrote about 'Rot-13'.
>> Today (Sunday) as I was knackered on Saturday as I'd just flown in from
>> Oz :)
> That's as good a reason as any :)
Hoped it would be ;^)
>> last year, so surely they know by now to bring more than enough stock
>> for the weekend.
> Which is OK if they can get enough. I had to wait until Sunday for Thomas
> Wenzel himself to bring my Prelude in. Even then he didn't believe me that
> it didn't work :(
OK, thats fair enough. I suppose when you go to a show (or a shop) with
something in mind to get and they don't have them you get a bit annoyed. I
admit on my part it was more because I thought we were being supplied rubbish
again, but I've now had that cleared up, so I appologise for that.
> Unfortunately, there seems to be some strange shit going on with Micronik,
> they have stopped shipping into the UK currently, as there are no stocks
> of Micronik Scan-doublers at all. Still, it was a good excuse to buy the
> PicassoIV ;)
Hmmm, wonder whats going on there then. Weren't the MicroniK SD only a 6 month
contract ? That hasn't expired has it ? That would explain the problem getting
them. And you don't need an excuse to get a PIV, they're great anyway :)) Best
thing to happen to my 1200.
>> like the ever helpfull guys at Weird Science.
> Yup, nice bunch of lads. We had a few laughs together over the weekend.
They were extremely helpful at WoA, and I've dealt with them in the past via
mail order. I've never had one single problem with them, and so long as the
continue to offer items I'm interested in, I will continue to purchase goods
from them. Top notch service.
Best Regards,
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:39:07 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: What no opinions?
Hi Eoghann
On 20-May-98, you wrote:
> Anytime when the system is busy basically. Its a direct result of the
> gadgets having a low priority unlike the native GadTools system. You've got
> a faster system than mine so not all of my examples would neccessarily work.
> Try getting IBROWSE to download and display a large page with loads of
> graphics on, preferably big jpegs. Then click the stop button. Its not
> uncommon for the button to not actually depress until several seconds later.
I have never noticed any lack of response at all. Now at work with Win95 you
DO have to wait a long time until you get a feedback from a keypress.
MUI 2.3 on an base 020 was slow and then I did not like it. MUI 3.xx is far
better and with a decent processor 68030+ you should have no problems with it.
The new super-chip if it exists would even cope with things as slow as
Windoze never mind MUI.
> MUI won't be part of a future OS unless its developer becomes part of the OS
> team.
I hope he does then.
Its just not practical to support otherwise. There are also certain
> support problems raised by its level of configurability.
I like how MUI can reconfigure to the user's specs. I now dislike non-MUI
programmes as they look so old are not configurable and unless you use Topaz 8
as your screen font really mess up the GUI.
> Its not an insoluble problem, but simply chucking MUI into the OS API won't
> do. Oh dear, far too many acronyms there!
Emulation of older software would probably allow use of current MUI libraries
anyway.
A MUI like system would not go amiss for the final OS5 though :-)
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:48:59 +0000
Subject: Phase5 + H&P
Hi all,
Just seen on the CUCG news site that Phase 5 & Haag & Partner have joined
forces. A week ago they were the best of enemies!
This must make PPC a bit more attractive than it was a few days ago
Alan
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:56:47 +0000
Subject: Re[3]: What no opinions?
Hi Eoghann, on 17-May-98, you wrote:
>
> Well technically, and to the purist this /isn't/ an Amiga. The new OS
> will be based on the core of another OS LINUX/BeOS/something. This is
> essential for two reasons.
(In a move destined to cause major controversy, Amiga Inc have licensed the
BeOS operating system from Be Inc. to be the new operating system for the
Amiga. CU Amiga 1/4/98). Their April fool joke(?) might be truer than first
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From: "Andy Jeffries"
Subject: Re: Rot-13
>Finally a non Amiga question, but I don't suppose anyone knows of anyone
>who lives in or around York who can chip my playstation so I can play those
>imports from USA?
Try http://www.rco1.demon.co.uk. They sell the mod chips for £2.00
with instructions, or they can do the job for you for £20.00 inc. p&p.
I've always had prompt service from them :-)
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:15:04 +0100
Subject: Re[5]: What no opinions?
Hello Steve
On 20-May-98, Steve Haigh wrote:
> As you are on here can you tell us what the story is on
> the CU-Mail list ?
'Bitch', our infamous A4000T that was running the mailinglist, has died yet
again. We have been searching high and low for somebody to sell us an A4000T
motherboard - but nobody has any. (If anybody has one to sell, get in touch.)
We are looking at various possibilities to get the mailinglist going again -
even, I dare to say, running it on a PC. (Let's face it, it's about all a PC
is good for.)
Richard
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: AFS
Hi All,
Quote:
From: Don Cox
To: fusion-list
Date: Sun, 17 May 98 23:09:00
> I was told at WOA that a new version of AFS is to be brought out by
> ramjam in a month or two.
End Quote:
Anyone know any contact details for ramjam? I wouldn't mind knowing more
about this..
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: PalomaIV (Was: Re: Rot-13)
Hi Dave Fisher, on 20-May-98 18:39:51 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>> Yeh Klaus mentioned it in the ml about a week ago.
> I heard from him a few hours after this and he explained everything. I just
> want to know why BS had the price on the wall ?! Strange place ;)
Would you have seen the price if it had been on the floor? ;-))
>> But with the recent WOA announcements I think I'll now confine my hardware
>> purchases to stuff I can transfer and perhaps use in a next gen amiga..
> PalomaIV is my last A1200 accessory. I probably won't buy any new hardware
> until AmigaII is available, for the simple reason I don't want/need anything !
I just need some more mem, another SCSI HD and a fast SCSI CD drive - and
then I'm sorted!
> Software is a different matter, I'll continue to support the authors/companies
> where I can.
Yeh, that's probably where much of my money will go now too..
> ooh, and I got my 64MHz Crystal today, so I'll clock my 060 later. If you see
> no more messages, then something went wrong ;)
Let me know how you get on with this please. Where did you get the crystal
from? Do you need to re-configure your 060 in any way ie; jumpers or via
software? How easy is it to get the 50Mhz crystal out? etc.. :)
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Hi Eoghann Irving, on 17-May-98 20:48:22 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>>> Personally I'm generally for it. I think PR wise they cocked it
>>> up, but I like their plans (what I know of them).
>> I agree about the PR bit. Dave Haynie has been a bit critical of the
>> WOA statement but then I guess he's got his own agenda. Olaf Bartel also
>> seems upset. Jim Drew is adopting a wait and see approach re: the prospect
>> of Fusion PPC. I've not heard a statement from Holger Kruse yet.
> Well I guess the viability of PPC really depends on whether the Bridge
> computer is of much use to non-developers. If it is then PPC is dead.
I can't see many non-developers forking out £1000 for a machine that will
be replaced a year l8r. Plus OS4 is likely to be quirky.
> If it isn't then the PowerUp will be popular during our 18 month wait
> I should think.
It looks like there will now be a split in the Amiga market - although
that's not necessarily a bad thing. Nor can I see the PPC route getting a
great following. The PPC sounds great but I don't like the idea of Phase 5
being the major player.
> What was Dave Haynie's objections? As a PPC man he may be a little
> biased I suppose.
He definately favours PPC but if he knew more of the "wow" chip then he
might change his view. He's also against a non-amiga kernal.
> I'm surprised that Olaf is upset. Unless he never wanted the OS3.5
> project canceled.
Yep. He felt OS3.5 would at least be giving something back to loyal
supporters. It would be something for us to use now while we wait yet again
for the hype to turn into something substantive.
I'm dissapointed too but I guess if OS3.5 was written then what delays
would that create for OS4? You can understand that AI/GW2K aren't overly
sympathetic to the current /small/ amiga userbase when they have such a big
potential market in the OS5 machine..
> Well OS3.5 really didn't have much in it that you couldn't already
> get. It had a small budget because the return was going to be
> negligable.
I know. It'd be nice if promises could be kept though. I do hope AI/GW2k
can make big strides regarding PR.
> As for PPC. If you think about it, they never did support it. It was
> a mistake for that Joe Torre statement ever to have been realeased,
> but if you read that carefully even then they didn't say they were
> going to go the PPC route.
Well, it was certainly an ambiguous statement. I took it to mean they were
just treading water until they had something substantial to say - and I was
beginning to wonder if that day would ever come about!
What kinda difficulties would there be in OS5 incorporating support for PPC
as well?
Anyone happen to know how close PIOS are to producing a machine? I had a
quick look round their site the other day and couldn't find a mention of
when/how much etc.
Also, I hear Carl Sassenrath
funds/support he was earlier looking for. Anyone confirm this? He did make
a very brief appearance on the Team Amiga ml but has since gone very quiet.
Could AI be considering using his talents in getting a new kernal done?
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:55:09 +0100
Subject: Re: AFS
On 21-May-98, Norman Shearer wrote:
>> I was told at WOA that a new version of AFS is to be brought out by
>> ramjam in a month or two.
>
> Anyone know any contact details for ramjam? I wouldn't mind knowing more
> about this.
Check out:
http://www.ramjam.demon.co.uk/
Richard
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Subject: Overclocking CPU's
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:55:58 +0100
Anyone out there overclocked a 68040?
I've got a 4000/040 running at the standard 25 Mhz, and am considering
ripping out the oscillator and putting in a socket for a faster one.
Anyone out there tried it, got it to work / not work, did you need a CPU fan,
do you notice more crashes, etc?
I'm more likely to try this if I can find other people who have (successfully!)
performed this mod too.
Cheers,
Craig.
(BTW - Dave did you have success with your 060?)
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From: Dave Fisher[SMTP:davef@thenet.co.uk]
Reply To: chatter@amiga.co.uk
Sent: 20 May 1998 18:39
To: chatter@amiga.co.uk
Subject: Re: PalomaIV (Was: Re: Rot-13)
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:53:54 +0100
Subject: Re: Overclocking CPU's
Hi Craig Arbuthnott :)
On 21-May-98, Craig Arbuthnott wrote:
This is a personal opinion and I know many people disagree with it. I never
overclock CPU's. I just don't think the risk (and there is always one) is
worth the small performance boost you get.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:49:50 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: PalomaIV (Was: Re: Rot-13)
Hi Norman Shearer :)
On 21-May-98, Norman Shearer wrote:
> I just need some more mem, another SCSI HD and a fast SCSI CD drive - and
> then I'm sorted!
Hmm...
Would that be like "Just one more go" or "Just another half hour" by any
chance. ;)
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:48:31 +0100
Subject: Re[4]: What no opinions?
Hi Norman Shearer :)
On 21-May-98, Norman Shearer wrote:
> Hi Eoghann Irving, on 17-May-98 20:48:22 you caught my attention with the
following prose:
>> Well I guess the viability of PPC really depends on whether the Bridge
>> computer is of much use to non-developers. If it is then PPC is dead.
> I can't see many non-developers forking out £1000 for a machine that will
> be replaced a year l8r. Plus OS4 is likely to be quirky.
18 months is a long time. Plus this computer will be a perfectly decent PC
and the fastest non PPC Amiga you can get. However, I don't think they've
even decided if they'll make it available to users yet.
>> If it isn't then the PowerUp will be popular during our 18 month wait
>> I should think.
> It looks like there will now be a split in the Amiga market - although
> that's not necessarily a bad thing. Nor can I see the PPC route getting a
> great following. The PPC sounds great but I don't like the idea of Phase 5
> being the major player.
Not a split so much as an alternate path. From the look of things P5 has had
to tame its arrogance for the moment at least and actually co-operate with
the other players on the scene.
>> What was Dave Haynie's objections? As a PPC man he may be a little
>> biased I suppose.
> He definately favours PPC but if he knew more of the "wow" chip then he
> might change his view. He's also against a non-amiga kernal.
As far as the kernel goes, OS4 won't use it, but OS5 may well have a
re-written Amiga kernel. It won't be used in OS4 for reasons of speed. They
want that out quickly.
>> I'm surprised that Olaf is upset. Unless he never wanted the OS3.5
>> project canceled.
> I'm dissapointed too but I guess if OS3.5 was written then what delays
> would that create for OS4? You can understand that AI/GW2K aren't overly
> sympathetic to the current /small/ amiga userbase when they have such a big
> potential market in the OS5 machine..
Well don't give up hope just yet. While AInc clearly aren't going to be
doing it in house, this P5, Haage & Partner thing /may/ lead to them being
licensed to do something like this. That strikes me as a better arrangement
anyway.
Actually AInc are remarkably sympathetic to the user-base. But they can't
let that rule their decisions. They really don't want to see the user-base
disappear though. Apparently a lot of time was spent after Friday's
announcement talking to developers and trying to find ways to support the
current platform.
>> Well OS3.5 really didn't have much in it that you couldn't already
>> get. It had a small budget because the return was going to be
>> negligable.
> I know. It'd be nice if promises could be kept though. I do hope AI/GW2k
> can make big strides regarding PR.
Its ironic actually. People ragged on AInc for months because they wouldn't
say anything. The reason they were silent was because they didn't want to
make promises they couldn't keep.
Eventually, because of all the bad press, AInc gives in and makes a few
announcements. Turns out it can't keep them and people are upset.
You can't win sometimes. :)
> What kinda difficulties would there be in OS5 incorporating support for PPC
> as well?
None. OS5 will be hardware independant. To what extent PPC will be
supported in terms of software I don't know, but running the OS won't be a
problem.
> Anyone happen to know how close PIOS are to producing a machine? I had a
> quick look round their site the other day and couldn't find a mention of
> when/how much etc.
Nobody seems to want to say. I have heard estimates of as much as a year, but
that could be rubbish.
> Also, I hear Carl Sassenrath
> funds/support he was earlier looking for. Anyone confirm this? He did make
> a very brief appearance on the Team Amiga ml but has since gone very quiet.
> Could AI be considering using his talents in getting a new kernal done?
REBOL is now a company which is very comfortably funded, by an ex Gateway
employee. In fact the one who's leaving caused the huge delays for AInc. ;)
He has said that REBOL will support the new Amiga system. Whether he would
want to be diverted from REBOL to do other things I'm not sure.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:35:18 +0100
Subject: Re: Phase5 + H&P
Hi Alan Stevens :)
On 20-May-98, Alan Stevens wrote:
> Hi all,
> Just seen on the CUCG news site that Phase 5 & Haag & Partner have joined
> forces. A week ago they were the best of enemies!
> This must make PPC a bit more attractive than it was a few days ago
There is more to this story than they are currently saying. P5, Haage &
Partner and Index Information (or whatever they're called now) are working on
some sort of alternate route to the new OS5 which should make existing
hardware more attractive.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:26:19 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Hi Dave Fisher :)
On 20-May-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Yeah I know :( That said, its totally transformed my A1200, and I have no
> problem forking out £300 again for one that did the same. The fact that VT
> have also produced most of the promised add-ons is also an added bonus, as
I
> didn't really think they'ed ever see the light of day :)
Yes that was a pleasant surprise given a certain other graphics cards
manufacturers habit of failing to produce add-ons.
>> The newer cards have substantially more power.
> They always will with computing. You have to decide that what you have is
good
> enough for your needs and so stick with it, or that you could be upgrading
for
> ever. IMO, its always the end users choice (unless you use Windows, then
its
> down to Gates :)) but its what I like about the Amiga. I didn't need a gfx
> card until I got on the net and required 24bit graphics for web browsing.
Even
> then I didn't need it, but knew it would make things more comfortable. By
the
> same token, if you are not on the net and only use your Amiga for playing
the
> odd game, then an 030 A1200 is probably good enough. The user decides here,
> not the OS :)
Yes, the OS should never be the deciding facto as it is on PCs. However it
wouldn't hurt to have the software encourage users to upgrade a bit more than
it does on the Amiga.
We can't escape the fact that the reason the Amiga sank is because people
didn't upgrade enough. I guess the trick is giving them a good reason to.
> Multiple screens should not be dropped, I agree. But if they are, then
Virtual
> Desktops like those found in Irix would be a good alternative. However, I
> couldn't care less about screen dragging as I can't use it anyway. You may
> think you can't live without it, but when you can't use it, you soon
realise
> it was nice, but not a life or death feature. If the future OS has a fully
> funky clipboard system, you'll never need it again :)
I would like to see the ability to drag anything on screen into a universal
clipboard (by that I mean, graphics, text, entire directories, *anything*)
I wouldn't mind having a visible clipboard either, that could be called up on
any screen.
>> Try getting IBROWSE to download and display a large page with loads of
>> graphics on, preferably big jpegs. Then click the stop button. Its not
>> uncommon for the button to not actually depress until several seconds
later.
> Hmmm, Just after I wrote this, the thing happened in AmFTP. I clicked
> Disconnect and it didn't. I sat there thinking "Huh, I'm sure I pressed it
!"
> tried again and it worked. I've never really noticed it before though :)
It isn't neccessarily very noticeable at a conscious level. Thats why so
many people claim MUI is slow but can't say *what* about it is
slow. Intuitively the brain expects an immediate reaction to whatever you
did. By having the button depress even if no further action is immediately
taken, it gets that feedback.
> That said, I like MUIs idea, and would very much like to see that included.
> The fact I can change my fonts in my gadgets, the images in my buttons, the
> colour of the button, the frame style etc., I know its all only cosmetic,
but
> to me its something I'd hate to loose.
There is no need to lose it, but it might be neccessary to limit the
configurability a little bit for an OS which is intended to work in
everything from a palmtop upwards.
>> In order to support an application over the net or phone you have to be
>> confident that a button is where you're telling the user it is. ;)
> LOL, never thought of it like that :) Mind you, with the exception of
iBrowse,
> I don't know any other applications where you can drag and drop great
chuncks
> of the GUI about. Are there any ? I was thinking more of the customisation
> described above, than mutilating the actual GUI. Mind you, could be
> interesting. Workbench Title Bar up the left hand side anyone ? :))
There aren't many anyway and I can't think of another that uses it to that
extent. But that will change. Look at programs like Word, with its floating
toolbars etc.
Another problem is the ability to change the look of buttons quite radically.
How do you describe a button to someone if you don't know what style is set
on the computer?
These may seem like silly things, but to anyone who has manned a telephone
support line they are crucial.
> I never said chuck MUI into the OS API :) I know it would take more than
that.
> I was only stating I'd like a system based on MUI. For a start I'd like to
see
> global drag and drop across all applications, the ability to change the
font
> in everything (yeah yeah I like to play :)).
Global drag and drop would be very nice, but actually goes far beyond what
MUI currently allows. That requires a fairly major overhaul of the Intuition
system. Which is of course what's happening. :)
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:32:41 +0100
Subject: Re[4]: What no opinions?
Hi Bill Eaves :)
On 20-May-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
> MUI 2.3 on an base 020 was slow and then I did not like it. MUI 3.xx is far
> better and with a decent processor 68030+ you should have no problems with
it.
> The new super-chip if it exists would even cope with things as slow as
> Windoze never mind MUI.
That, if you'll excuse my saying so, is the Microsoft response. Just use
faster hardware and you won't have a problem.
But of course sooner or later you will. Because someone will come up with
something that uses that faster hardware to the maximum and then its back to
poor responses again. You have to tackle the design flaw itself.
>> MUI won't be part of a future OS unless its developer becomes part of the
OS
>> team.
> I hope he does then.
Its pretty unlikely.
>> Its just not practical to support otherwise. There are also certain
>> support problems raised by its level of configurability.
> I like how MUI can reconfigure to the user's specs. I now dislike non-MUI
> programmes as they look so old are not configurable and unless you use
Topaz 8
> as your screen font really mess up the GUI.
Think of the unfortunately new user who has to work on someone elses setup
though. How are they going to cope with everything looking totally foreign?
MUI as it stands is a neat toy for computer buffs. As a GUI for beginners it
has some drawbacks.
I can think of a number of occasions where programs have run, but the GUI has
failed to display because my MUI settings cause it not to fit on screen
properly. Its supposed to resize to take care of that, but sometimes even
then it doesn't work.
Easy enough for me to sort out, but not very encouraging for someone who just
wanted to browse the web for half an hour.
>> Its not an insoluble problem, but simply chucking MUI into the OS API
won't
>> do. Oh dear, far too many acronyms there!
> Emulation of older software would probably allow use of current MUI
libraries
> anyway.
Ugghh! That would work for the old software, but the new software will not
be using the old API's
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:09:21 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: New OS4 stuff.
Hi Dave Fisher :)
On 20-May-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
> On 19-May-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[2]: New OS4 stuff.,
>> I don't know where you got part b) from. What I heard was that nobody who
is
>> not involved in the electronics industry will ever have heard of this
>> unspecified CPU manufacturer. Joe Torre said you could guess as long as
you
>> like and you would never guess this company. Maybe he was just bluffing?
> I really can't remember, but it wasn't just one source, I read it in
various
> places. I suppose time will tell. I heard Yamaha being thrown about aswell
:)
Someone did suggest to me that it might have something to do with MPACT who
are pretty close with Gateway. But as far as I know that was just a guess.
> I can't wait to find out who it is, as I really want to know the fullspecs
on
> it. Currently I've only heard snippits. I only read today about it being
able
> to decode 4 x HDTV MPEG2 datastreams on the fly. And that it can move
> 400million polygons/sec (I think, I've forgotten already !) compared to the
> VooDoo2's lowly 30million/sec. Even if someone upped that at 90million on
the
> TA mailing list, but thats still a lot less.
What I'm trying to work out is how someone could *watch* 4 HDTV MPEG2
datastreams at once. ;))
>> IMHO the deal with the chip manufacturer was not specified for reasons of
>> secrecy. Amiga do not want the big players in the industry knowing what
they
>> are up to.
> Thats true enough. Like I said, most of it appears to be rumors at the
moment,
> and they were just things that seemed to be cropping up over and over.
There was some talk that the chip manufacturer currently works with INTEL, in
which case I can imagine they would want to keep things quiet.
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Subject: RE: Re[2]: What no opinions?
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:26:40 +0100
The mighty Ego has once again provided me with enlightenment :-)
> You /may/, and I stress may, be able to get the Bridge system for your PC
> (essentially an Amiga on a card). This would be faster than your current
> solution.
This "Bridge Machine" sounds very interesting to me.
I wonder if the commercial sales potential of it have been considered.
I would think that any opportunity to get cash into the Amiga Inc coffers
would be a viable proposition.
> That isn't a guaranteed though. There doesn't seem to have been a final
> decison whether users will be sold these things as well as developers.
I will look forward to a decision on this.
The ability to be able to run legacy software ( what a horrible term,
obviously
borrowed from Microsoft, think I will use "classic software" instead) on
high
spec equipment could be very tempting. Photogenics on a Matrox Mystique !
Imagine or Lightwave utilising a 3dfx card ! Mmmm, very tasty.
> Despite my dislike of M$ and its business practices, I agree with you that
> there is nothing comparable to say MS Word on the Amiga. Sad but true.
Having been a manager for over two years now, and since then being in a work
situation where PC's are used, I could not forsee how I could do my job
without
using MS Office. The options available with OLE and ODBC between
applications
makes presenting information to senior management and staff so easy.
Prior to this job I had to do quarterly quality reports. On my Amiga these
used to be generated in ProCalc as tables then graphs, exported as EPS files
and pasted into Final Writer. This took ages because no single program
produced
material to my old manager's satisfaction. He was happy with the results
produced
by this tortuous method. You can appreciate how simple stuff like this now
is.
Plus the fact that work do buy in training on all MS products and eschew
competence with them as "a good career choice". I control the data in Excel
and
Access, I produce reports in Word and presentations in Powerpoint. At home,
e-mail and contacts is done via Outlook. This degree of integration is
priceless.
> Hold any decisions on PowerUp for about two weeks. The position should be
> clearer by then.
I think I will wait to see how many of my programs are upgraded to PPC.
The price difference between an 040 accelerator and a PPC/040 card is not
that great a difference. Lack of usable PPC programs will probably sway me
towards a basic 040 card.
I look forward to learning about the "Third Way" (TM Tony Blair) in Home
Computing and how my favourite (albeit not most used) computer will make
a strong return.
BTW Thanks for providing such excellent information Eoghann
Regards
John
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Subject: RE: WoA (Was: Re: Rot-13)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:03:33 +0100
I'm ducking in on a conversation here folks !
> like the ever helpfull guys at Weird Science.
> Yup, nice bunch of lads.
Heartily agree with this.
Via mail order I have always received 1st class service from WS.
If you're gonna spend your quids, spend it on them !
Regards
John
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Subject: RE: AFS
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:03:36 +0100
The AFS thread continues !
> Anyone know any contact details for ramjam? I wouldn't mind knowing more
> > about this.
>
> Check out: >http://www.ramjam.demon.co.uk/
Anyone know how users who bought AFS before FLD lost interest stand
regarding
updating their current versions ?
I think I'm on version 2.43
Regards
John
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Subject: RE: Re[3]: What no opinions?
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:03:31 +0100
I read this snippet from Bill Eaves
> One final point. Much of the software in recent years has been
> excellent and kept the Amiga alive. I work in the Net business
> and YAM is better than any mail programme I have seen on other
> platforms that are written by "professional" coders.
This is so true it smacks you between the eyes with a large hallibut !
I have to use MS Outlook 98 to get the same features as YAM.
The Amiga is blessed with an e-mail program of this class.
Unfortunately, until my Miggy is back to full Net-ability, I continue
to use Outlook 98.
Not all things monolopical and cash-unlimited are good.
Regards
John
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Subject: RE: Re[3]: What no opinions?
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:03:34 +0100
I read the following from Alan Stevens :
> (In a move destined to cause major controversy, Amiga Inc have licensed
the
> BeOS operating system from Be Inc. to be the new operating system for the
> Amiga. CU Amiga 1/4/98). Their April fool joke(?) might be truer than
first
> thought!
So many moves over a weekend !
Is this true ? How valid is this statement ?
Does it seem to anybody else that every announcement is moving further away
from an "Amiga" and closer towards a "bitsa stuff of the shelf" approach ?
I suppose I like the Amiga for its unique approach. At the moment I'm
confused
as to whether Amiga II is a development of the Amiga I have known in the
past
or something I will ultimately not recognise.
I will refrain from disparaging comment until I read something concrete from
Eoghann or others but these tales get ever more wild and fantastic.
Someone, please, put me straight !
Regards
John
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>
>
>
> --
> Alan
>
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:19:50 +0500
Subject: Re: Re[3]: What no opinions?
On 21-May-98, Alan Stevens wrote:
Hi there
>
>(In a move destined to cause major controversy, Amiga Inc have licensed the
>BeOS operating system from Be Inc. to be the new operating system for the
>Amiga. CU Amiga 1/4/98). Their April fool joke(?) might be truer than first
>thought!
Maybe it was a sneaky ploy to gauge reaction to such a move ;°)...
regards,
Darren Rozier