From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: "Taz"
From: "Taz"
From: "Taz"
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:23:38 +0100
From: "Paul Dixon"
From: "A. Burge"
From: "A. Burge"
From: Alan R Barr
Date: 18 Apr 98 18:33:08 +0100
Date: 18 Apr 98 19:24:58 +0100
From: Steve Haigh
From: Quark
From: "Taz"
From: andre clinchant
From: andre clinchant
From: Steve Haigh
From: "Taz"
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: "Paul Dixon"
From: "Paul Dixon"
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: "A. Burge"
From: "Paul Dixon"
From: Steve Haigh
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Mark Sayers
From: "Paul Dixon"
From: Dave James
From: Ralph Twiss
From: Bill Eaves
From: Bill Eaves
From: Bill Eaves
From: andre clinchant
Date: 20 Apr 98 08:56:24 +0100
Date: 19 Apr 98 11:42:14 +0100
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Dave Fisher
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Paul Ferguson
From: "A. Burge"
From: Paul Ferguson
From: Steve Haigh
From: Steve Haigh
Date: 21 Apr 98 01:28:41 +0100
Date: 21 Apr 98 01:25:49 +0100
Date: 21 Apr 98 00:43:20 +0100
From: Bill Eaves
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:09:42 -0600
From: Bill Eaves
From: Steve Haigh
From: "Paul Webb"
From: "Paul Webb"
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
Date: 22 Apr 98 00:22:11 +0100
From: "Taz"
From: "Taz"
From: Alan R Barr
From: Bill Eaves
From: Steve Haigh
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Bill Eaves
Date: 22 Apr 98 22:24:27 +0000
From: "Taz"
From: Steve Haigh
From: Paul Ferguson
From: John Coates
From: "A. Burge"
From: Eoghann Irving
From: "Paul Webb"
From: "Paul Webb"
Date: 24 Apr 98 03:13:58 +0100
Date: 24 Apr 98 02:42:00 +0100
From: Dave Fisher
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Eoghann Irving
From: Paul Ferguson
From: bml@thenet.co.uk (bml)
From: Eoghann Irving
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:08:13 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: HTML
Hello Dave :)
Rather slow reply, but I got there eventually. :)
On 11-Apr-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
> On 11-Apr-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: HTML,
> Yeah thats what I'm fearing. Although I read today that AWeb is
HTML4
> compliant ? Anyone know for sure ?
I am a little doubtful. When it was claiming to be 3.2 compliant it
was actually compliant with the features of 3.2 that the author had
got round to adding. ;)
>> Then there's XML...
> ... And that would be :)
eXtensible Markup Language. Its the future of HTML most likely.
Bound to be big on intranets.
Basically it makes it easy to add unique tags and create your own
markup language.
>> Also while HTML4 makes certain earlier tags illegal, lets face it
>> no browser is actually going to drop them.
> It only makes about 4 tags obsolete, and about 20 are suggested not
to be
> used. Plus every tag to do with appearance, eg. FONT etc, as they
are covered
> by Style Sheets now :-/
Yeah. Style sheets is a good idea in itself, but I don't like the
idea of embedding fonts for downloading. I don't really understand
this desperation for the page to look identical on all screens. If
people want that they should use Acrobat. It does it better
anyway.:-/
>> HTML 3.2 is a perfectly good standard to work to and should display
just
>> fine in all half decent browsers.
> Yeah, I think I might forget it anyway. I didn't want to use 3.2 as
I'm using
> Frames, but as the HTML4 defination of Frames is /slightly/
different to
> Netscapes, if I use HTML4, iBrowse and Co. doesn't display it
properly !
Ah the wonders of having a /standard. ;)
>> After all if your site is set up properly then those who can't read
frames
>> should still be able to navigate, if somewhat more awkwardly.
> Not yet it isn't :)
Tssk tsk. Mine should be. Since frames are really only used to hold
the navigation bar (saving about 3k per page or 150k on my site
alone), I just provide a link in the NOFRAMES section to the main
contents page.
>> Beyond that I mainly use just a plain text editor and I don't even
bother
>> checking in more than one browser. Which is lazy granted. :)
> Well I have VNG and iBrowse set identically (font wise) and they
still display
> it quite differently, as in iB isn't the same size font in
VNG, etc.
I tend to avoid all the fancy tags for text (a rule I discovered for
word processing is that if you want it to look good and do it fast,
don't try to be clever ;). I use for most text and
for headers. I very rarely mess with the other ones.
[HSC]
> Yeah I've spent sometime reading through it all today, and it does
some really
> great things. But I couldn't really get my head around it all, so
gave in. If
> I spend all my time trying to get the program setup, and the pages
to be
> compliant when I can't even view them, I'll never do any work on the
actual
> content !
That was my inevitable conclusion. Its designed by a UNIX freak I
think. If they'd just give it a nice GUI front end it might actually
save you some time. ;)
> BTW, anyone here know about yet another browser being worked on ?
Allan
> "texteditor.mcc" Odgaard has decided to write one from what I
understand !
Sometimes I really despair of people. I mean we have WebCruiser,
iBrowse, Voyager, AWeb, and possibly ports of Netscape and another
one.
*WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BROWSER!!*
Competition is good up to a point.
The guy is clearly a compentent programmer. Why doesn't he turn his
attention to some of the many programs that we DONT have on the
Amiga??
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:18:23 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: BoXeR price announced! (fwd)
Hello Paul :)
On 17-Apr-98, Paul Webb wrote:
> In reply to what Dave Fisher said about "BoXeR price announced!
(fwd)"...
>> BoXeR looks like a non-starter :))
>>
Dave **
>> Blittersoft have just announced that the Index BoXeR motherboard
will sell
>> for £479.95 - that's for the bare board with no CPU.
> Wow! thats a lot, I was expecting it to be a lot cheaper than that
(I
> hope that includes VAT).
You have to look at the costs behind this. This isn't just another
A1200 motherboard. Its a complete redesign (not cheap), with several
enhancements like faster chip ram access.
Also remember that the motherboard is being made available to other
companies to make their own Amigas. Index are entitled to up the
price a little when doing that to maintain a competative edge.
There is some seriously cool stuff on the horizon for the BoXeR, (PPC,
on the fly reprogrammable chips, PCI). Don't rule it out yet. :)
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:00:23 +0100
Subject: Weekly Stats
Hi :)
Well here they are, only a day late. I've made a few improvements to
the stats program, some of which are visible, some aren't.
I've also uploaded the digest to the web site. Has anyone looked at
the digests? I'd be interested to hear peoples opinion on their
format.
Speaking of the website, I've added links to three list members pages.
Not much I know but I've been hideously busy this week. If anyone
else on the list has an amiga related web page, let me know and I'll
add it too.
Theres also a transcript of Jeff Schindler's speach at Amiga98. If
you haven't read it I strongly recommend that you do.
Oh, and how about some links back to the web site? The whole purpose
of the site is to advertise this list so we get more contributors.
I've joined the Amiga Ring already and submitted the site to AWD, so
that might get a few new people.
Anyway, the stats:
chatter@amiga.co.uk POSTING STATS
FROM NUMBER %
===================================================================
Paul Ferguson
"Taz"
Bill Eaves
"Paul Dixon"
Eoghann Irving
Dave Fisher
Quark
"Paul Webb"
Steve Haigh
Alan R Barr
Ralph Twiss
"Norman Shearer"
bml@thenet.co.uk (bml) 4 2.48%
Dex Kennedy
Mark Sayers
Carl Schmidt
Richard Drummond
"Andy Thomson"
"Jim Burns"
Dobbin
john owen-jones
drifter@thenet.co.uk 1 .62%
""
Dieter Schmitt
Daryl Smith
===================================================================
TOTAL NUMBER OF MAILS: 162
TOTAL NUMBER OF POSTERS: 25
SUBJECT NUMBER %
===================================================================
Shapeshifter 24 14.81%
Cheapest Towering Option 16 9.87%
u-net problems anyone? 12 7.40%
2.45am 11 6.78%
link cable 10 6.17%
AF is killing the Amiga!! 8 4.93%
Weekly stats 8 4.93%
Stats. 7 4.31%
Mail lists 7 4.31%
OT: S/ware probs :)) 6 3.70%
HTML 6 3.70%
Clickboom...Oh Dear!! 5 3.08%
bloody u-net failing again 4 2.46%
BoXeR price announced! (fwd) 3 1.85%
FTP 3 1.85%
Whizzy graphics. 3 1.85%
Clickboom Prank 2 1.23%
Hello 2 1.23%
Shapeshifter ML 2 1.23%
Taz. 2 1.23%
Weekly stats) 2 1.23%
Digital Universe price drop. 2 1.23%
SWOS 1 .61%
Thanks 1 .61%
Towers 1 .61%
TV Amazing? 1 .61%
Scanners 1 .61%
Quake 1 .61%
shapeshifter 1 .61%
Viper V 1 .61%
(Fwd) Amiga Portable Digital Assistant 1 .61%
Jokes on the list 1 .61%
Amiga Company Structure 1 .61%
PoerUp-SCSI and Buster 1 .61%
Joke from Haighy 1 .61%
Siamese SW 1 .61%
Siamese 2.1 offer 1 .61%
CU List 1 .61%
The Amiga Dead or Not ? 1 .61%
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:14:38 +0100
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
Hi Steve
On 17-Apr-98, Steve Haigh wrote:
> Damn. I thought she`d shot the Scotsman and got a proper husband.
Musta missed !
> Oh well.... This Nom Secour for a reason or did he just fancy a
> change from Hawker ?
A change being as good as a rest ?
> And how come his addy is a u-net one now ?
Now that you'll have to ask him :)
> And what happened to that crispy bacon I used to get when I was a kid ?
I still manage to burn mine to perfectiion :))
Cheers,
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:25:04 +0100
Subject: Re: u-net problems anyone?
Hi Bill
On 17-Apr-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
> There is a Hayes command to disable the check for dial tone, I cannot be
> arsed to look for it now so have a look in your modem manual for it ;-)
TBH I think if I add any more to my Init string I'll have to wait 30 ins for
the damn thing to go online :(
Due to dropped lines etc I've had to put my K56 back to 33.6 and it's much
more stable. For anyones info it's the Dynamode thats in CU this month and I
can confirm Neils comments...it sucks :(
Regards
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:16:15 +0100
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
Hi Quark
On 17-Apr-98, Quark wrote:
>> /me wonders if Anders is on this ML ?
> I tried the listserver but the "who" command is disabled :-(
It's been like that for a long time mate...in fact I think it was disabled
when
I ws still @ FCI and thats nearly 12 months ago (I think)
Regards
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:19:19 +0100
Subject: Re: Stats.
Hi Bill
On 17-Apr-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
>
>>> Looks as if Paul Fergusson is going for the Stats for most postings
tonight
>>> :-p
>>
>> And tonight too :))))
> He he, I noticed :-)
> I had a good go last night but they were just replies, not the same :-(
Well now it's me doing all the replying. I thought I'd better get some in
early
in the week if I'm to stand any chnace in the stats. This week is going to
horrendously busy @ work so I may not have the time to do my mail every
evening :(
Cheers.
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:28:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
Hi Taz
On 18-Apr-98, Taz wrote:
> Well I thought you might like to know that Mat Bettison at mat@mats.net is
> selling off his computers including an A4000, seems he is off to work in
> the USA. He also has some PC's so he might be worth asking if anyone is
> looking for something. No idea of prices though.
Really ? Bloody hell thats a turnup for the books...I don't honestly think
that I'd dare buy anything of that kind of price right now though as we are
off to the US for our hols in June and I think I'd be safer keeping the money
for that rather than buying *another* computer ;)
Thanks for the info though mate :)
Cheers
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:29:22 +0100
Subject: Re: u-net problems anyone?
Hi Taz
On 18-Apr-98, Taz wrote:
> Well I got a really helpful email from Neil B and since then things seem to
> be going okay :-) lets hope now its the weekend it keeps up.
Excellent news....maybe I'll see you later then :)
Regards
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Date: 18 Apr 98 18:33:34 +0200
Subject: Wirenet-U-Net
Hi all,
Well as everyone knows I have been having a few "problems", well Neil B
phoned me at home today and hopefuly all his excellent advise will solve
the problem, good bloke is Neil, and funny :-)
Taz
--
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Date: 18 Apr 98 18:22:38 +0200
Subject: Re: Who is Taz? was re:shapeshifter
Hello Ego,
> > Damm have to change again LOL
> You mean people didn't know it was you??
> Hmm, guess I'm just really clever then? ;-))
LOL you wouldn't believe the fun I had with D_Hill on #fci when I logged on
using Taz as my name :-)) told him I was looking for Hawker LOL, he didn't
click who it was. Ahhh it was fun.
Taz
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Date: 18 Apr 98 18:29:05 +0200
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hi :)
> chatter@amiga.co.uk POSTING STATS
>
> FROM NUMBER %
> ===================================================================
> Paul Ferguson
> "Taz"
Damm Baldrick beat me :-( I will beat ya next time :-) I like to see that
the topics seem to be varied, and that people do reply to others questions
with good advice. And so far no Sp*m! hope I haven't ruined it by saying
it.
> ===================================================================
> TOTAL NUMBER OF MAILS: 162
> TOTAL NUMBER OF POSTERS: 25
Good number of mails there, things are picking up.
Its good to see whats happened in the week, all good stuff Ego.
Taz
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From: Gavin Laws
Subject: Re: Who is Taz? was re:shapeshifter
In article <3538EF6E.MD-0.198.taz@devil.u-net.com>, Taz
> Hello Ego,
>
>> > Damm have to change again LOL
>> You mean people didn't know it was you??
>> Hmm, guess I'm just really clever then? ;-))
>
>LOL you wouldn't believe the fun I had with D_Hill on #fci when I logged on
>using Taz as my name :-)) told him I was looking for Hawker LOL, he didn't
>click who it was. Ahhh it was fun.
hi all
Hmm i Remember that you git ;o) ive still gotta get you back for that
too. If only ik knew a way ;o).
from gav
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Date: 18 Apr 98 18:42:15 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
> chatter@amiga.co.uk POSTING STATS
>
> FROM NUMBER %
> ===================================================================
> Paul Ferguson
> "Taz"
> Bill Eaves
> "Paul Dixon"
Thanks for the stats Eoghann,
See I Didn't make it Paul F. Mind you I did try;-)))))
Paul D.
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:40:02 +0500
Subject: Jokes
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:18:31 +0500
Subject: Shapeshifter
Hi All,
Has anyone got Shapeshifter to work from the CU CD.
I have installed the prog. to HD, installed the Mac Rom, put the entries into
the startup sequences, increased the buffers, done the configuration and
saved.
On running the prog it gets as far as a grey screen with a icon with a
flashing question mark. From this position I can get no further. It would
appear that it is not finding the BootFile?
I found that the original PrepareEmul was corrupt and had to obtain another
copy, could it be the same sort of fault with the Bootfile?
Carol Harmond (White Swan) had been helping me but at the moment she is away
for a while so I have reached a stop.
Any advice much appreciated.
Regards,
Adrian.
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:35:34 +0100
Subject: Re: Wirenet-U-Net
Hello Taz
On 18-Apr-98, Taz, Wirenet-U-Net wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Well as everyone knows I have been having a few "problems", well Neil B
> phoned me at home today and hopefuly all his excellent advise will solve
> the problem, good bloke is Neil, and funny :-)
I mailed Neil , and he stated that several people were having problems
with the '120 No , he also suggested a visit to :-
http://www2.u-net.net/easyone/modems/modems.htm and see if
there was a better init string I could use , well the USR X2 type
isn't listed , the nearest is USR Sportster 33.6 , let me know
please Taz if you effect a cure , the line is still playing up BTW .
But it must be their end as it has'nt been a problem B4 , apart
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: Re[2]: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Eoghann Irving, on 17-Apr-98 21:46:06 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>> Hmm.. I'd be tempted to get that issue - my copy is a real PITA
>> trying to get it to install to HD. But at the same time, I definately
>> will not be buying AF that month because IMV they are doing the Amiga
>> community a disservice..
> Well I bought the PPaint issue and it was purely to get this version
> of PPaint. I had been looking at buying it, but it seems much less
> likely now that I'll buy PPaint 8 unless they've added something
> really impresive to it.
PPaint 8 should be very popular for gfx card owners, finally allowing them
to work in 24bit. Not sure what else it offers.
> AF is playing a very dangerous game. The deal that was hashed out not
> to put full games on coverdisk all those years ago did actually have
> a purpose to it.
Exactly. I thought F1GP by Microprose was/is one of the best Amiga games
ever. I can't believe its not still a viable seller..
> Well AF's circulation is sliding, but I don't think its reached
> cancelation point just yet. But I think that circulation worries must
> be the reason for this not to mention the endless tedious snipes
> about CU (A childish habit that CU has also been known to indulge in).
I've not bought an issue of AF for about 6 months now. There just wasn't
enough news etc for me to justify spending on two mags. Plus I've relied on
mags much less since using the internet. I only really buy CUA every month
for the CD disk.
> Hmm, isn't F1GP also a Microprose game?
Yep. I suppose it's no shock that they were happy to sell on the rights to
the game. Amiga sales of F1GP must be minute in comparison to what F1GP 2
etc is on the PC..
Regards
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Paul Dixon, on 18-Apr-98 01:13:54 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>> When only one mag is left in the newsagents, it'll really bring home the
>> feeling that the end is nigh. In this country at least..
>>
> Don't be such pessamists(?). Buy the mags and all will be well. Don't
> buy the mags and it will die. Its as simple as that.
Nice in theory but I think we'd all need to buy two issues to make up for
the diminishing market. ;-P
Rather than offer token support for a mag that IMO is a shadow of its
former self I'll put my money into hardware/software I'll use.
I don't think I am being pessimistic. Not considering how long the Amiga
has lived on a kinfe edge. Now AF's future looks troubled and the price of
the much awaited Boxer has been announced at a price many will not pay.
I agree with Andrew Korn's POV in this months CUA regarding the need for
people *not* to hang onto their money but to spend it now and inject some
much needed developmental capital. However, A CyberstormPPC card is just
too much money for me to risk at this time. Good PPC software is just too
slow in coming. AI needed to not only voice support of the dual-processor
cards but actively help promote some hot PPC software to use on them.
Regards
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:28:38 -0000
Subject: IB
My demo of IB (yes I know I should register but I hardly do any browsing) has
a strange prob. It doesn't seem to clear the screen when I get a new page or
scroll an existing page. It only redraws if I resize the window. Tried
buggering about with MUI settings but it still does it. I guess it's something
else (had a HD crash the other day that gave me a USA keyboard when I got it
all back).
Anybody got a clue ?
Steve
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:58:22 +0500
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
On the 18-Apr-98, the warm, pink, moist and fluffy Eoghann Irving purred...
EI> Paul Ferguson
Hey Balders - KOTP as well as KOTT?
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Date: 18 Apr 98 23:16:44 +0200
Subject: Re: Wirenet-U-Net
Hello Alan,
> I mailed Neil , and he stated that several people were having problems
> with the '120 No , he also suggested a visit to :-
> http://www2.u-net.net/easyone/modems/modems.htm and see if
> there was a better init string I could use , well the USR X2 type
> isn't listed , the nearest is USR Sportster 33.6 , let me know
> please Taz if you effect a cure , the line is still playing up BTW .
Well I re-ran Miamiinit and it seems to have worked okay so far tonight.
This is what it came up with:
Init string: AT&F1&H1&I0&R2&C1&D0\r
This is from Miami 3.
Also in the dial script this is what it says:
ABORT "NO DIAL TONE" , "NO DIALTONE"
DIALNEXT "BUSY" , "NO CARRIER"
WAITCONNECT
All this is different from what I had it set at previously, so far so good
tonight, but don't know if its the ultimate cure.
> But it must be their end as it has'nt been a problem B4 , apart
> from the odd DNS requester thrown up by Miami , but I got through
> OK even then .
Well I never had a problem till this week either, it used to load no
problems, hope this helps.
Taz
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:17:02 -0000
Subject: AmFTP problem.
Here is another problem that has been bugging me for some time along with my
monitor.
When logged into Aminet, and trying to download a readme file, I get an error
message saying that file type is not recognised. This ues to work fine once
upon a time. Why not now?
Andre
PS. Babylon 5, Channel 4, Sundays ~12-40pm -what a ridiculous time.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:14:03 -0000
Subject: Monitor blues.
Hi there,
I seem to be having some problems with my M1438s monitor.
Quite often, when I boot the miggy, the monitor fails to show a picture,
instead, it clicks and makes a faint high pitch hum. It is almost as if the
miggy is sending an inappropriate screen mode change.
My only current solution is to either switch the monitor on and off several
times, until the picture kicks in. Or remove the monitor conection from the
miggy and replug in whilst the machines are still on. Neither is obviously
ideal.
This problem does not always hapen, but is becoming more frequent.
Andre
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:42:55 -0000
Subject: Joke from Haighy
A Guide To Software Revisions
Once you start playing with software you quickly become aware that each
software package has a revision code attached to it. It is obvious that
this revision code gives the sequence of changes to the product, but in
reality there's substantially more information available through the rev
code than that. This article provides a guide for interpreting the
meaning of the revision codes and what they actually signify.
# 1.0:
Also known as "one point uh-oh", or "barely out of beta". We had to
release because the lab guys had reached a point of exhaustion and the
marketing guys were in a cold sweat of terror. We're praying that
you'll find it more functional than, say, a computer virus and that
its operation has some resemblance to that specified in the marketing
copy.
# 1.1:
We fixed all the killer bugs . . .
# 1.2:
Uh, we introduced a few new bugs fixing the killer bugs and so we had
to fix them, too.
# 2.0:
We did the product we really wanted to do to begin with. Mind you,
it's really not what the customer needs yet, but we're working on it.
# 2.1:
Well, not surprisingly, we broke some things in making major changes so
we had to fix them. But we did a really good job of testing this time,
so we don't think we introduced any new bugs while we were fixing these
bugs.
# 2.2:
Uh, sorry, one slipped through. One lousy typo error and you won't
believe how much trouble it caused!
# 2.3:
Some anal-retentive pain in the ass found a deep-seated bug that's been
there since 1. 0 and has been raising hell until we fixed it.
# 3.0:
Hey, we finally think we've got it right!Most of the customers are
really happy with this.
# 3.1:
Of course we did break a few little things.
# 4.0:
More features. It's doubled in size now, by the way, and you'll need
to get memory and a faster processor . . .
# 4.1:
Just one or two bugs this time. Honest.
# 5.0:
We really need to go on to a new product but we have an installed base
out there to protect. We're cutting the staffing after this.
# 6.0:
We had to fix a few things we broke in 5. 0. Not very many, but it's
been so long since we looked at this thing we might as well call it a
major upgrade. Oh, yeah, we added a few flashy cosmetic features so we
could justify the major upgrade number.
# 6.1:
Since I'm leaving the company and I'm the last guy left in the lab who
works on the product, I wanted to make sure that all the changes I've
made are incorporated before I go. I added some cute demos, too, since
I was getting pretty bored back here in my dark little corner (I kept
complaining about the lighting but they wouldn't do anything). They're
talking about obsolescence planning but they'll try to keep selling it
for as long as there's a buck or two to be made. I'm leaving the
bits in as good a shape as I can in case somebody has to tweak them,
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Date: 19 Apr 98 11:21:59 +0200
Subject: Re: AF is killing the Amiga!!
> Yep. I suppose it's no shock that they were happy to sell on the rights to
> the game. Amiga sales of F1GP must be minute in comparison to what F1GP 2
> etc is on the PC..
Yeh I think now with so many PSX sold this past few months and F1 and F1 97
available on it the old Amiga version isn't going to sell that well now.
It is a shame to see such classics being given away though, wonder why they
don't put a compilation CD together with this and other older games
together and sell it seperately from the magazine.
Taz
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:19:51 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hi Paul
On 18-Apr-98, Paul Dixon wrote:
See I Didn't make it Paul F. Mind you I did try;-)))))
Better luck next week mate :)
Regards
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:21:43 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hi Taz
On 18-Apr-98, Taz wrote:
>> ===================================================================
>> Paul Ferguson
>> "Taz"
> Damm Baldrick beat me :-( I will beat ya next time :-) I like to see that
> the topics seem to be varied, and that people do reply to others questions
> with good advice. And so far no Sp*m! hope I haven't ruined it by saying
> it.
Well, you guys always did say that I jibbered on a lot ;)
>> ===================================================================
>> TOTAL NUMBER OF MAILS: 162
>> TOTAL NUMBER OF POSTERS: 25
> Good number of mails there, things are picking up.
Yes indeedy, looking very good :)
> Its good to see whats happened in the week, all good stuff Ego.
Absolutely, it's nice to see that we still have plenty to talk about :))
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:59:43 +0100
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
Hi Adrian,
On 18-Apr-98, A. Burge wrote:
> On running the prog it gets as far as a grey screen with a icon with a
> flashing question mark. From this position I can get no further. It would
> appear that it is not finding the BootFile?
I think thats about what is happenning. Basically it can't find or isn't
recognising the file you have selected as a bootfile.
> I found that the original PrepareEmul was corrupt and had to obtain another
> copy, could it be the same sort of fault with the Bootfile?
It could be. I seem to remember someone else having a problem with the
bootfile that came on that CD. I haven't tried it myself as I already have a
'proper' Mac System file...all 80 odd megs of it :)
> Carol Harmond (White Swan) had been helping me but at the moment she is away
> for a while so I have reached a stop.
I'll have a look at this ASAP and if you think I can help then just ask and
we'll try to get you sorted :)
Regards
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Date: 19 Apr 98 12:09:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hello Paul,
Paul F. did scribe:-
> Hi Paul
>
> On 18-Apr-98, Paul Dixon wrote:
> See I Didn't make it Paul F. Mind you I did try;-)))))
>
> Better luck next week mate :)
>
> Even if I reply to your mail, I still willn't catch you up. Must get
into some threads!!!! :-p
Next time Paul!
Paul D.
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Date: 19 Apr 98 12:13:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
Hello Adrian, (and Paul Again)
The thread carry's on:-
> Hi Adrian,
>
> On 18-Apr-98, A. Burge wrote:
>
> > On running the prog it gets as far as a grey screen with a icon with a
> > flashing question mark. From this position I can get no further. It would
> > appear that it is not finding the BootFile?
>
> I think thats about what is happenning. Basically it can't find or isn't
> recognising the file you have selected as a bootfile.
>
> > I found that the original PrepareEmul was corrupt and had to obtain another
> > copy, could it be the same sort of fault with the Bootfile?
>
> It could be. I seem to remember someone else having a problem with the
> bootfile that came on that CD. I haven't tried it myself as I already have a
> 'proper' Mac System file...all 80 odd megs of it :)
>
> > Carol Harmond (White Swan) had been helping me but at the moment she is away
> > for a while so I have reached a stop.
>
> I'll have a look at this ASAP and if you think I can help then just ask and
> we'll try to get you sorted :)
When it is sorted out Adrian, you know where I am.
Paul D.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:25:07 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hi Quark
On 18-Apr-98, Quark wrote:
>> Paul Ferguson
> Hey Balders - KOTP as well as KOTT?
Just call me Big Gob :)
/me thinks he might regret saying that ;)
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:43:48 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Weekly Stats
Hello Paul :)
On 19-Apr-98, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> Well, you guys always did say that I jibbered on a lot ;)
Thought I'd better warn people. As of next week the stats will
indicate what percentage of people's posts is quotes....
Should be interesting. ;-))
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:34:19 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Stats.
Hello Paul :)
On 18-Apr-98, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> Well now it's me doing all the replying. I thought I'd better get
some in
> early in the week if I'm to stand any chnace in the stats. This week
is
> going to horrendously busy @ work so I may not have the time to do
my mail
> every evening :(
You and me both, you'll notice that I hardly did any mail at all
during last week, and its set to be more of the same this week.
Work, who needs it? ;-)))
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:42:08 +0100
Subject: Re: IB
Hello Steve :)
On 19-Apr-98, Steve Haigh wrote:
> My demo of IB (yes I know I should register but I hardly do any
browsing) has
> a strange prob. It doesn't seem to clear the screen when I get a new
page or
> scroll an existing page. It only redraws if I resize the window.
I know you say you've tried the MUI settings, but this really does
sound like a clash there.
What sort of refresh do you have set (I use smart) and is redraw set
to with clear or without clear (without clear on mine)?
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:38:23 +0100
Subject: Re[4]: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hello Norman :)
On 18-Apr-98, Norman Shearer wrote:
> Hi Eoghann Irving, on 17-Apr-98 21:46:06 you caught my attention
with the following prose:
>> Well I bought the PPaint issue and it was purely to get this
version
>> of PPaint. I had been looking at buying it, but it seems much less
>> likely now that I'll buy PPaint 8 unless they've added something
>> really impresive to it.
> PPaint 8 should be very popular for gfx card owners, finally
allowing them
> to work in 24bit. Not sure what else it offers.
Hmm, well thats something. But really what PPaint is good at is being
a bitmap paint package. There are already loads of products doing the
24bit stuff.
The only feature I can see thats really attractive in versions after
7.0 is the animgif stuff.
> I've not bought an issue of AF for about 6 months now. There just
wasn't
> enough news etc for me to justify spending on two mags. Plus I've
relied on
> mags much less since using the internet. I only really buy CUA every
month
> for the CD disk.
Most people on the net say the same thing, but net users are a pretty
small part of the magazines readership. Less than 20% if I remember
rightly.
>> Hmm, isn't F1GP also a Microprose game?
> Yep. I suppose it's no shock that they were happy to sell on the
rights to
> the game. Amiga sales of F1GP must be minute in comparison to what
F1GP 2
> etc is on the PC..
I'm just wondering. UFO was also a Microprose game you see. Perhaps
AF did some sort of package deal.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:57:41 +0500
Subject: Re: Scanners
On 17-Apr-98, Ralph Twiss wrote:
>Hi,
> there was an enquiry about scanners a few weeks ago , and costs <->
speeds
>. The one I mentioned (Scanmaker E3) I quoted at £100+ is now for sale at PC
>World for >£80
>That means that you can now get a scanner & driver for £100 approx....... for
>a scsi scanner.
>The driver Scantek is under constant development.
>Mail me if you want more info
I tried mailing Ralph direct
Ralph,
Do you have the above scanner and would you recommend it?
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Date: 19 Apr 98 19:08:09 +0100
Subject: WOA
Hello everybody,
Anyone going to the show on the Saturday. ?
If so let me know and we'll meet up at the bar.
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The "AMIGA" lives on
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:56:08 -0000
Subject: Re: AmFTP problem.
On 19-Apr-98, andre clinchant carefully put 2 fingers to the keyboard and
picked out the following letters
>Here is another problem that has been bugging me for some time along with my
>monitor.
>When logged into Aminet, and trying to download a readme file, I get an error
>message saying that file type is not recognised. This ues to work fine once
>upon a time. Why not now?
>Andre
>PS. Babylon 5, Channel 4, Sundays ~12-40pm -what a ridiculous time.
Can't help with the FTP prob but my wife said exactly the same as above,
as she was setting the video recorder :-)
Steve
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:48:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hi Ego,
On 19-Apr-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
> Thought I'd better warn people. As of next week the stats will
> indicate what percentage of people's posts is quotes....
LOL....snip snip snip
> Should be interesting. ;-))
I hope people don't go too mad. It can get incredibly hard to follow a thread
if the relevant stuff has been snipped after all ;)
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:46:29 +0100
Subject: Re: Stats.
Hi Ego,
On 19-Apr-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
>> Well now it's me doing all the replying. I thought I'd better get
>> some in early in the week if I'm to stand any chance in the stats.
>>This week is going to horrendously busy @ work so I may not
>>have the time to do my mail every evening :(
> You and me both, you'll notice that I hardly did any mail at all
> during last week, and its set to be more of the same this week.
Well mate, I didn't like to say it but I thought you'd been quite quiet ;)
> Work, who needs it? ;-)))
Hell not me...erm well maybe I do, after all who'd pay for all my essentials ?
Regards
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:43:43 +0100
Subject: Re: WOA
Hello Paul
Paul Dixon brought forth the following
PD Hello everybody,
PD Anyone going to the show on the Saturday. ?
PD If so let me know and we'll meet up at the bar.
Yep I'll be there saturday.
Regards
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Date: 19 Apr 98 19:58:56 +0100
Subject: Re: WOA
> Hello Mark
> Thank you for replying :-
> Paul Dixon brought forth the following
>
> PD Hello everybody,
> PD Anyone going to the show on the Saturday. ?
> PD If so let me know and we'll meet up at the bar.
>
> Yep I'll be there saturday.
Thanks Mark, see you there.
Come on you lot out there. Have a day out, injoy yourself's for
once in your life.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:43:37 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: Stats.
On 18-Apr-98, Paul Ferguson gasped:
BaldrickBaldrickBaldrick :-)
> Well now it's me doing all the replying. I thought I'd better get some in
> early
> in the week if I'm to stand any chnace in the stats.
ARGHHHH!!! Methinks this stats lark is getting out of hand :-)
If y'all keep replying to each others mails, the traffic will snowball
into a huge avalanche of replies to replies re: replies about
replies etc. Don't you see?!
> I may not have the time to do my mail every evening :(
I don't know how some of you cope, especially those of you on
loads of lists (like CU-list)! I have a hard enough time just
replying to private mail ;)
Lumpy
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:13:36 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Scanners
On 19-Apr-98, A. Burge wrote:
> On 17-Apr-98, Ralph Twiss wrote:
>> ,
>> there was an enquiry about scanners a few weeks ago , and costs <->
> speeds
>> . The one I mentioned (Scanmaker E3) I quoted at £100+ is now for sale at
PC
>> for >£80
>
>> means that you can now get a scanner & driver for £100 approx....... for
>> scsi scanner.
>
>> driver Scantek is under constant development.
>
>> me if you want more info
>
> I tried mailing Ralph direct
snip-->
sorry it should be ralpht@wavenet.co.uk
> Do you have the above scanner and would you recommend it?
Yes ...if you or any one wants a sample pic let me know
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:30:35 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: Stats.
Hello Eoghann
On 19-Apr-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
> Work, who needs it? ;-)))
I hate it but it does have its advantages.
I have now a few days off, I need it we work odd hours.
But downloading 100 emails a day at home is costly and because I have ther
things to do have only just cleared the backlog.
Most of my mail I collect at work, leaving messages on the server, but get rid
of the 90% stuff I do not need to read later ;-)
JUST LIKE THIS MESSAGE ;-)
At home I get the lot and then have to read it all *in my own time* :-(
At least i use a much better mail programme at home though :-)
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:39:33 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Weekly Stats
Hello Paul
> I hope people don't go too mad. It can get incredibly hard to follow a
thread
> if the relevant stuff has been snipped after all ;)
Too true. It is annoying to get a whole mail you have just read re-quoted.
On the other hand too little information is as bad. I work for an ISP and we
email people back asking exactly what software they are using to solve their
problem. They write back with just a couple of words and NO quote at all.
It is really useflu *NOT* to have an email from them stating the name of the
program they use but nothing else. I just cannot be arsed looking through the
last weeks 1000 or so mails so I ask them to send it again with the info I
need.
After all they are PC users, well who else would be so daft just to send
someone an email with the name of an application but nowt else !
The theme of this tale is that relevant quoting is in fact quite essential -
but should not be overdone.
Bill.[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:44:32 +0100
Subject: Babylon 5 - was - Re[2]: AmFTP problem.
Hello Steve
On 19-Apr-98, Steve Haigh wrote:
>> PS. Babylon 5, Channel 4, Sundays ~12-40pm -what a ridiculous time.
>
> Can't help with the FTP prob but my wife said exactly the same as above,
> as she was setting the video recorder :-)
Off topic I know - BUT - we missed the first one last week, did not even know
it was on and would not have thought to watch TV at that time.
Today I had to set the video to record B5 which we watched later tonight as we
were far too busy during the day to watch it.
STUPID TIME.
Plus often I work Sundays and will miss it unless I remember to record it !
Bill[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:43:37 -0000
Subject: Re: Babylon 5 - was - Re[2]: AmFTP problem.
On 19-Apr-98, Bill Eaves wrote this tempting message...
BE >Hello Steve
BE >On 19-Apr-98, Steve Haigh wrote:
BE >Off topic I know - BUT - we missed the first one last week, did not even
know
BE >it was on and would not have thought to watch TV at that time.
I missed the beginning of it. Did anyone see it and can fill me in?
Not a bad starting episode with the attempted assasination and the hint of the
coming telepath war.
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: Re[4]: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Eoghann Irving, on 19-Apr-98 14:38:23 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>NS PPaint 8 should be very popular for gfx card owners, finally
>NS allowing them to work in 24bit. Not sure what else it offers.
> Hmm, well thats something. But really what PPaint is good at is being
> a bitmap paint package. There are already loads of products doing the
> 24bit stuff.
How many are still actively being developed though? Paint packages aren't
really my scene but I do recall the amiga had quite a suite of them years
ago and a review of one or the other seemed to appear in every other amiga
mag. Not so now. Gfx manipulation/conversion seems to be what most people
want now.
Talking of which, I just downloaded the demo of Picture Manager Pro V5 from
the Blittersoft site. I'm impressed. The batch image processing and HTML
catalogue generation features will appeal to webheads. PPC support is
encouraging too..
>NS I've not bought an issue of AF for about 6 months now. There just
>NS wasn't enough news etc for me to justify spending on two mags. Plus I've
>NS relied on mags much less since using the internet.
> Most people on the net say the same thing, but net users are a pretty
> small part of the magazines readership. Less than 20% if I remember
> rightly.
Still a signifcant percentage where a small market is concerned. At least
that's the argument used when amiga piracy is debated. It must be an ever
increasing percentage also. particularly as more and more amigans are more
or less forced to upgrade their set-ups to meet software demands etc. I've
often wondered how magazines/newspapers will adjust to mass net useage. One
journo told me that newspapers will not be affected because they are pretty
much accessable anywhere and also because they act as a kinda filter -
extracting what we want to hear from the huge mass of news out there. My
personal view was that I'd sooner act as a filter than leave it to some
editor to decide for me. The only newspaper I buy is a local rag and even
then only now and then.
>>> Hmm, isn't F1GP also a Microprose game?
>NS Yep. I suppose it's no shock that they were happy to sell on the
>NS rights to the game. Amiga sales of F1GP must be minute in comparison
>NS to what F1GP 2 etc is on the PC..
> I'm just wondering. UFO was also a Microprose game you see. Perhaps
> AF did some sort of package deal.
Ah, right. I didn't realise that. I wonder what's due in the next issue of
AF then?
Regards
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Taz, on 19-Apr-98 10:21:59 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>> Yep. I suppose it's no shock that they were happy to sell on the rights to
>> the game. Amiga sales of F1GP must be minute in comparison to what F1GP 2
>> etc is on the PC..
> Yeh I think now with so many PSX sold this past few months and F1
I have F1 for the PSX. Must admit I've hardly touched it though..
> and F1 97
> available on it the old Amiga version isn't going to sell that well now.
> It is a shame to see such classics being given away though, wonder why they
> don't put a compilation CD together with this and other older games
> together and sell it seperately from the magazine.
That's not a bad idea. Maybe if people sent them enough E-mails suggesting
this they might give in. Probably not though - bearing in mind their
determination not to do F1GP 2 for the Amiga despite many requests..
Regards
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:51:53 +0100
Subject: Re: BoXeR price announced! (fwd)
Hi Eoghann,
On 17-Apr-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: BoXeR price announced! (fwd),
> I'd suggest holding all judgements until you know exactly what's on
> the motherboard. This isn't just an A1200 board.
I know, I was only joking :) I wouldn't buy one anyway, not after what I've
got in my machine. If I was still at A1200/030 I might consider it.
BlitterSofts Black Box doesn't seem too bad though. Except for one thing :)
Best Regards,
*Dave Fisher - Team AMIGA*
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:37:54 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hi Eoghann,
On 18-Apr-98, You Wrote About The Subject Weekly Stats,
> I've also uploaded the digest to the web site. Has anyone looked at
> the digests? I'd be interested to hear peoples opinion on their
> format.
Last time I checked, ie. after the first batch, they were all on one huge page
(100K+). Maybe either a downloadable text file of all mails, or a digest by
day split over 7 pages or something simular would be better, or as an
addition?
> Speaking of the website, I've added links to three list members pages.
Thanks Ego :)
> Oh, and how about some links back to the web site? The whole purpose
> of the site is to advertise this list so we get more contributors.
> I've joined the Amiga Ring already and submitted the site to AWD, so
> that might get a few new people.
I've updated my Amiga Chatter page to include a link and some information.
Best Regards,
*Dave Fisher - Team AMIGA*
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:34:40 +0100
Subject: Re: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Norman,
On 18-Apr-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re: Re[2]: AF is killing the
Amiga!!,
> PPaint 8 should be very popular for gfx card owners, finally allowing them
> to work in 24bit. Not sure what else it offers.
Does it ? :) I knew it would support GFX cards better, ie. it uses the correct
system calls so that bitmaps can be stored in FAST, but I didn't realise it
was going to give full 24bit support. Mind you, these are only titbits I've
read, as I couldn't find any information about it.
> Exactly. I thought F1GP by Microprose was/is one of the best Amiga games
> ever. I can't believe its not still a viable seller..
When UFO was put on AF, it was also mentioned that not long ago it was on
PCFormat. Maybe Future Publishing have brought the rights to a big chunk of
MicroProse's older s/ware, crossplatform, which is why its all appearing.
> I've not bought an issue of AF for about 6 months now. There just wasn't
> enough news etc for me to justify spending on two mags. Plus I've relied on
> mags much less since using the internet. I only really buy CUA every month
> for the CD disk.
Haven't brought AF in over a year, and I won't. There was just no information
in them, and I can't justify forking out £5 for the sake of it. Thats another
bit of shareware I could register for that :) I'm much the same as you Norman,
mainly get it for the CD, but CU is by far the more informative, comprehensive
magazine IMO.
Best Regards,
*Dave Fisher - Team AMIGA*
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:45:31 +0100
Subject: Re: IB
Hi Steve,
On 19-Apr-98, You Wrote About The Subject IB,
> My demo of IB (yes I know I should register but I hardly do any browsing)
has
> a strange prob. It doesn't seem to clear the screen when I get a new page or
> scroll an existing page. It only redraws if I resize the window. Tried
> buggering about with MUI settings but it still does it. I guess it's
something
> else (had a HD crash the other day that gave me a USA keyboard when I got it
> all back).
> Anybody got a clue ?
Obvious I know, but tried re-installing it ?
If that doesn't cure it, time for the old MUI-prefs-flush.
* Move ENVARC:MUI/IBROWSE.prefs somewhere else.
Check iBrowse again. If its ok, its something in the application specific
settings, so just recreate them from within iBrowse, but test each setting
before saving, that way, you can pin point the culprit.
If its still doing it,
* Move ENVARC:MUI/«Global».prefs somewhere else.
Check iBrowse again. If its still doing it, its a Patch clash probably. If its
ok, then it was an MUI setting, but unfortunately, you'll have to reset them,
either Globally, or via the app.
FWIW, «Global».prefs is created when you save the settings you've made in MUI
from the MAIN program, ie. when its not called via an app.
This applies to all MUI apps, if they behave funny, try this :)
HTH.
Best Regards,
*Dave Fisher - Team AMIGA*
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:13:18 +0100
Subject: Re: Stats.
Hi Dave
On 19-Apr-98, Dave James wrote:
> BaldrickBaldrickBaldrick :-)
LumpyLumpyLumpy ;P
>> Well now it's me doing all the replying. I thought I'd better get some in
>> early in the week if I'm to stand any chance in the stats.
> ARGHHHH!!! Methinks this stats lark is getting out of hand :-)
> If y'all keep replying to each others mails, the traffic will snowball
> into a huge avalanche of replies to replies re: replies about
> replies etc. Don't you see?!
'Nuff said mate, I won't continue to reply to the Stats thread...oh damn I am
now...erm...ok thats it. My final words on the subject...(I think)
>> I may not have the time to do my mail every evening :(
> I don't know how some of you cope, especially those of you on
> loads of lists (like CU-list)! I have a hard enough time just
> replying to private mail ;)
Well I can apprecaite your probs mate, then again I don't watch TV in the
evenings, in fact I don't have time to do much else but answer mail and
generally bugger about with my Amiga ;)
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:17:22 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hi Bill
On 19-Apr-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
> Too true. It is annoying to get a whole mail you have just read re-quoted.
Absolutely :)
> On the other hand too little information is as bad. I work for an ISP and we
> email people back asking exactly what software they are using to solve their
> problem. They write back with just a couple of words and NO quote at all.
I'm actually involved in a long running e-mail battle with my modems makers
and I make damn sure I quote all the relevant stuff. Mind you I also have to
word it very carefully as they are in Taiwan and I don't think English is
their first language. Then again I can't speak Taiwanese either ;)
> It is really useflu *NOT* to have an email from them stating the name of the
> program they use but nothing else. I just cannot be arsed looking through
the
> last weeks 1000 or so mails so I ask them to send it again with the info I
> need.
And there was me thinking that working for an ISP you'd be psychic ;)
> After all they are PC users, well who else would be so daft just to send
> someone an email with the name of an application but nowt else !
LOL....'nuff said
> The theme of this tale is that relevant quoting is in fact quite essential -
> but should not be overdone.
Hmmm now I'm wondering if I should snip this. Nah I'll risk Ego's Quote
Machine just this once I think :)
Cheers,
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:43:46 +0500
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
On 19-Apr-98, Paul Ferguson wrote:
>Hi Adrian,
>On 18-Apr-98, A. Burge wrote:
>> On running the prog it gets as far as a grey screen with a icon with a
>> flashing question mark. From this position I can get no further. It would
>> appear that it is not finding the BootFile?
>I think thats about what is happenning. Basically it can't find or isn't
>recognising the file you have selected as a bootfile.
>> I found that the original PrepareEmul was corrupt and had to obtain another
>> copy, could it be the same sort of fault with the Bootfile?
>It could be. I seem to remember someone else having a problem with the
>bootfile that came on that CD. I haven't tried it myself as I already have a
>'proper' Mac System file...all 80 odd megs of it :)
>I'll have a look at this ASAP and if you think I can help then just ask and
>we'll try to get you sorted :)
Thanks for the offer of help.
I have been given a website where there should be a copy of the BootFile
<. >http://uniquecopy.com/jean/ss/ss.html>. I have managed to get on the site but
not find the file. Is this where you got yours from?
Regards,
Adrian[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:34:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
Hi Adrian,
On 20-Apr-98, A. Burge wrote:
> Thanks for the offer of help.
No problem, I remember what it was like trying to get SS to work here.
> I have been given a website where there should be a copy of the BootFile
> <. >http://uniquecopy.com/jean/ss/ss.html>. I have managed to get on the site
but
> not find the file. Is this where you got yours from?
I have to be honest, I can't remember where it came from. At the time I was
trying to get it working there was quite a large group of us involved and so
the file could have come from anywhere :)
I have a small bootfile here (about ½ a meg I think) if you want to try that
one I can mail it to you.
Or you could try:
http://www.virtual-pc.com/henners/macintosh
Use the link to resources and Library, scroll down to Software Library and
choose Operating Systems. You'll find just what you are looking for :))
I haven't tried to d/load any of the files but I don't see why it shouldn't
work
Cheers,
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:58:15 -0000
Subject: Re: IB
On 19-Apr-98, Eoghann Irving carefully put 2 fingers to the keyboard and
picked out the following letters
>Hello Steve :)
>On 19-Apr-98, Steve Haigh wrote:
>> My demo of IB (yes I know I should register but I hardly do any
>browsing) has
>> a strange prob. It doesn't seem to clear the screen when I get a new
>page or
>> scroll an existing page. It only redraws if I resize the window.
>I know you say you've tried the MUI settings, but this really does
>sound like a clash there.
>What sort of refresh do you have set (I use smart) and is redraw set
>to with clear or without clear (without clear on mine)?
All of the above, in all the combinations. Strange that this doesn't
happen on any other MUI apps ?
I have looked at the settings left right and centre, no joy.
I wondered if it may be a datatype prob, does MUI use datatypes ?
Steve (wandering off for another look)
PS Some pages scroll ok if I load all the graphics and they have
a graphic as background (I think). Dunno what that means either.
Oh well, good job I don't use it much (but it is infuriating).
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:42:41 -0000
Subject: Joke from Haighy
Top 10 reasons computers are male
===========================
10. They have a lot of data but are still clueless.
9. A better model is always just around the corner.
8. They look nice and shiny until you bring them home.
7. It is always necessary to have a backup.
6. They'll do whatever you say if you push the right buttons.
5. The best part of having either one is the games you can play.
4. In order to get their attention, you have to turn them on.
3. The lights are on but nobody's home.
2. Big power surges knock them out for the night.
1. Size does matter
Here's the quid pro quo:
Top 10 reasons compilers must be female:
========================================
10. Picky, picky, picky.
9. They hear what you say, but not what you mean.
8. Beauty is only shell deep.
7. When you ask what's wrong, they say "nothing".
6. Can produce incorrect results with alarming speed.
5. Always turning simple statements into big productions.
4. Smalltalk is important.
3. You do the same thing for years, and suddently it's wrong.
2. They make you take the garbage out.
1. Miss a period and they go wild
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From: "Andy Jeffries"
Subject: Re: WOA
Anyone going to the show on the Saturday. ?
>PD If so let me know and we'll meet up at the bar.
>Yep I'll be there saturday.
I'll be going down on the train from Rugby on Saturday.
See you there.
Andy[RETURN TO TOP]
From: "Andy Jeffries"
Subject: Re: WOA
>Hello Paul
>Paul Dixon brought forth the following
>PD Hello everybody,
>PD Anyone going to the show on the Saturday. ?
>PD If so let me know and we'll meet up at the bar.
>Yep I'll be there saturday.
>Regards
>Mark[RETURN TO TOP]
From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Dave Fisher, on 20-Apr-98 18:34:40 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>> PPaint 8 should be very popular for gfx card owners, finally allowing them
>> to work in 24bit.
> Does it ? :)
Ah, I might be wrong then. My memory's not what it was. %-S
> Mind you, these are only titbits I've
> read, as I couldn't find any information about it.
Me too and I think I got my info (or disinfo!) from the Picasso ml..
> When UFO was put on AF, it was also mentioned that not long ago it was on
> PCFormat. Maybe Future Publishing have brought the rights to a big chunk of
> MicroProse's older s/ware, crossplatform, which is why its all appearing.
It's starting to sound that way. I'm surprised AF haven't been flooded with
angry letters and thus gave some explanation to that effect in the mag.
>> I've not bought an issue of AF for about 6 months now.
> Haven't brought AF in over a year, and I won't. There was just no information
> in them, and I can't justify forking out £5 for the sake of it.
I've heard some moaning about how much advertising space there is in mags.
Maybe I'm a nutter but I /like/ the ads. I can't stop seeing things I wanna
buy. Getting the goods is almost an anti-climax!
> Thats another bit of shareware I could register for that :)
Exactly. Who's to say supporting a shareware author is less important than
an amiga mag, or a developer like Phase 5 etc etc? No-one's sitting pretty
ATM and they all need our money. It's too tricky trying to quantify who's
support will best help the amiga scene and so I find it far simpler to just
get what best helps me. :)
> I'm much the same as you Norman,
> mainly get it for the CD, but CU is by far the more informative, comprehensive
> magazine IMO.
Could do with a few more ads though. ;)
Regards
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:23:51 +0100
Subject: Digital Universe Update.
Hi All,
Good news. The Canadian exchange rate is better than the one I was working to
before. This means that the single order would be £32, plus of course around
£8 customs charge plus VAT. That rip off is the nasty surprise our wonderful
government adds to orders from Canada :-(
Including customs and p&p we are looking at £36 all in at the moment,
hopefully with a few more in the order this will go lower still.
Regards,
Bill.
PS. I wanted to setup an Arexx script to send this but Yam v2 has no info on
its Arexx and some of the older v1.3 commands no longer work :-(
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From: Syzygy Research & Technology
Subject: Digital Universe V1.03 available on CD for half price
You are being sent this message because you expressed an interest in the
Amiga version of "The Digital Universe" in the past.
=======================================================
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What is "The Digital Universe"?
-------------------------------
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For more information on the capabilities of "The Digital Universe", please
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The New CD-ROM Distribution
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have been a few years ago.
In addition, the entire printed user manual is available online as a
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said that with the online help and the general user-friendly nature of the
package, they have never needed to consult the printed manual.
With these factors in mind, and to keep costs down, the new CD-ROM
distribution consists of single shrink wrapped CD-R, with no printed
documentation, box, or user manual. Online documentation is provided to
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The software and databases included on the CD are the complete functional
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Cost of the V1.03 CD Version of "Digital Universe"
--------------------------------------------------
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which includes shipment via air mail to anywhere in the world.
The lower cost of shipping means that international customers will be able
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B) A group makes a single order of 10 copies or more, whch are to be sent
to individual addresses.
What about a Version 2.0 for the Amiga?
---------------------------------------
Some of you may be aware of the decision-making process we have been going
through as to whether or not to develop a V2.0 of DU for the Amiga. So
far, we have had a rather encouraging response from our online survey
available on the web at http://www.syz.com/DU/amiga2.html - if you haven't
already filled it out, we encourage you to do so. At any rate, we are
planning on using a combination of the results from this survey and the
sales of this CDROM V1.03 to help us decide whether or not to develop a
V2.0.
If V2.0 is developed, it will sell for our "regular" Digital Universe price
of $150 Canadian.
What about PPC support?
-----------------------
A beta version of a patch to allow the SAS/C compiler to create code for
PPC machines is currently available. In the next little while, we will be
looking at porting "The Digital Universe" to PPC. If you own a PPC board,
are a registered owner of "Digital Universe", and may be interested in beta
testing Digital Universe V1.03 for the PPC, please let us know. If the PPC
version is relatively easy to complete, we hope to offer it as a free
upgrade (via email) to anyone who purchased V1.03, either on floppy or
CDROM.
If you already own the previous floppy-based Digital Universe V1.03, how
are you affected by this release?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since the software and data files of the CDROM distribution are exactly the
same as what you already own, you have no reason to obtain the V1.03 CDROM
yourself. But since sales of this CDROM will have a large impact on our
decision of whether or not to develop V2.0, you may want to encourage other
Amiga owners to think about purchasing the CD. See "Referral Program"
below for more details.
If you were planning on waiting for a V2.0 release of DU, how are you
affected?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are in this situation, you are the perfect candidate to obtain V1.03
on CDROM now. Since purchasing V1.03 on CD now will entitle you, as a
registered owner, to obtain future upgrades for half of the regular price,
you will be able to obtain V2.0 when and if released, for $75 (half of the
planned $150 price). The net result is that you pay the same amount to
obtain V1.03 now and upgrade to V2.0 later as you would to buy V2.0
directly. Plus, you have the added benefits of being able to use Digital
Universe now, as well as helping us obtain the resources required to
develop V2.0.
What if the regular cost of DU ($150) has always seemed a bit expensive
for you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we develop V2.0 for the Amiga, we would expect to sell it for $150 - the
same as what the original floppy-based V1.03 sold for. If you are only
casually interested in astronomy, and the $150 price seems a bit expensive,
we strongly encourage you to consider the purchase of the CDROM Version
1.03 now for $75. We may discontinue the CD-based V1.03 if a CD-based V2.0
is developed, and if this happens, you will no longer be able to obtain
Digital Universe for $75.
Referral Program
----------------
In an effort to reward those "Digital Universe" owners who help to promote
our software, we'd like to announce our referral program. If you are a
registered owner of "Digital Universe", tell someone about our software,
and they consequently purchase V1.03 of DU on CDROM from us, we'll give you
a $10 discount on your upgrade to V2.0 if and when it is released. You can
accumulate discounts for each referral made, up to the point at which you
get a free upgrade. Note that this must be a "personal" referral (ie: just
linking to our web page won't count), and that the person ordering the
package must provide us with your name when letting us know where they
heard about "The Digital Universe".
How can you try out Digital Universe first, before purchasing it?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
A demo version of "The Digital Universe" is available on Aminet, named
Dig_Universe.lha and located in the biz/demo directory. It lets you try
out all the features of "Digital Universe", with the following restrictions:
- only a small subset of the hypertext encyclopedia is included
- it doesn't let you simulate the night sky's appearance after June 1, 1998
- it only shows objects for a region of the sky in the vicinity of Orion.
Nevertheless, it should give you a good indication of whether or not
"Digital Universe" is for you.
How can you get a copy of V1.03 on CDROM?
----------------------------------------
If you would like to purchase a copy of Digital Universe, you can do so
either directly from us or from one of our distributors. If you want to
contact a distributor, let us know your location and we'll be able to tell
you who might be able to get a copy to you the quickest. Keep in mind that
all prices quoted in this messages are our "suggested retail prices" and
that distributors may sell for more or less.
We are also always on the lookout for new distributors of "The Digital
Universe". If you think you may be interested in distributing our software
in your region, give us a rough estimate of the volume you might expect to
deal with and we'll send you out more information about our requirements of
distributors and the benefits you'll receive. Please note that we do not
accept exclusive distributorship arrangements.
If you'd like to order your copy of the V1.03 CD directly from us, or have
any questions about the package, you can contact us at:
Before June 26, 1998
--------------------
Syzygy Research & Technology Ltd.
B 1204-17a St. N.E.
Calgary, AB
T2E 4V5
Canada
Phone: 403-276-1250
email: sales@syz.com
WWW: http://www.syz.com/DU/amigacd.html
After June 26, 1998
-------------------
Syzygy Research & Technology Ltd.
Box 83
Legal, AB
T0G 1L0
Canada
Phone: 403-961-2213
email: sales@syz.com
WWW: http://www.syz.com/DU/amigacd.html
We can accept payment by Visa, Mastercard, or cheque in Canadian, US, or UK
funds. If you wish to order your package online via credit card on our
secure server, you can do so by clicking on the "Ordering via credit card"
link on our web page at http://www.syz.com/DU/amigacd.html
Redistribution of this message
------------------------------
We would appreciate the redistribution of this release announcement
whereever possible (ie: Amiga-related mailing lists, BBSes, newsgroups,
word of mouth, etc). The more copies of the DU V1.03 CD that are sold, the
more likely we will continue to improve and upgrade the package.
Thank you for your support. If you have any questions at all, please feel
free to contact us.
Dan Charrois
President, Syzygy Research & Technology Ltd.
--
Syzygy Research & Technology Ltd. |email: sales@syz.com, support@syz.com
B 1204-17a St. NE | images@syz.com, townnet@syz.com
Calgary, AB, T2E 4V5, CANADA |- Creators of "The Digital Universe"
Phone: (403) 276-1250 |- home of "The Astronomical Image Library"
WWW: http://www.syz.com/ | & "The Alberta Town & Business Network"[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:28:03 +0100
Subject: Wrong address - Re: Digital Universe Update.
Ooops,
I saved the wrong address in my book :-(
I have now put Paul's address in instead of the list.
Sorry about the noise,
Bill.[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:37:14 -0000
Subject: Joke from Haighy
Top 10 things likely to be overheard if you had a Klingon on your
software development team:
10) "This code is a piece of weasel spit! You have no honor!"
9) "A TRUE Klingon warrior does not comment his code!"
8) "By filing this bug you have questioned my family honor.
Prepare to die!"
7) "You question the worthiness of my Code?! I should kill you where
you stand!"
6) "Our competitors are without honor!"
5) "Specs are for the weak and timid!"
4) "This machine is a piece of GAGH! I need dual Pentium processors
if I am to do battle with this code!"
3) "Perhaps it IS a good day to Die! I say we ship it!"
2) "My program has just dumped Stova Core!"
1) "Behold, the keyboard of Kalis! The greatest Klingon code warrior
that ever lived!"
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Haighy@thenet.co.uk
... The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter. --
Mark Twain
* Pick-Tag v2.5 *[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: 19 Apr 98 12:15:11 +0100
Subject: Re: AmFTP problem.
In reply to what andre clinchant said about "AmFTP problem."...
> Here is another problem that has been bugging me for some time along with my
> monitor.
>
> When logged into Aminet, and trying to download a readme file, I get an error
> message saying that file type is not recognised. This ues to work fine once
> upon a time. Why not now?
Do you have compression turned on in the profile? I used to get the
same error every mow and then, but it went away when I turned it off.
> Andre
>
> PS. Babylon 5, Channel 4, Sundays ~12-40pm -what a ridiculous time.
--
Paul Webb Amiga 1200
orion@thenet.co.uk 170Mb HD, 16Mb Fast
www.thenet.co.uk/~orion/ Blizzard 1230IV 50Mhz
Top o Nerae! Gunbuster! Team *AMIGA*[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: 21 Apr 98 23:46:24 +0100
Subject: Re: BoXeR price announced! (fwd)
In reply to what Eoghann Irving said about "Re[2]: BoXeR price announced! (fwd)"...
> Hello Paul :)
>
> On 17-Apr-98, Paul Webb wrote:
> > In reply to what Dave Fisher said about "BoXeR price announced!
> (fwd)"...
>
> >> BoXeR looks like a non-starter :))
>
> >>
> Dave **
>
> >> Blittersoft have just announced that the Index BoXeR motherboard
> will sell
> >> for £479.95 - that's for the bare board with no CPU.
>
> > Wow! thats a lot, I was expecting it to be a lot cheaper than that
> (I
> > hope that includes VAT).
>
> You have to look at the costs behind this. This isn't just another
> A1200 motherboard. Its a complete redesign (not cheap), with several
> enhancements like faster chip ram access.
>
> Also remember that the motherboard is being made available to other
> companies to make their own Amigas. Index are entitled to up the
> price a little when doing that to maintain a competative edge.
>
> There is some seriously cool stuff on the horizon for the BoXeR, (PPC,
> on the fly reprogrammable chips, PCI). Don't rule it out yet. :)
I didn't mean to. I just can't afford that kind of cash outlay.
Instead I'm going to have another go at towering my A1200, (I'll get
the BoXeR later, when all the lovely PPC and graphic bits are out).
--
Paul Webb Amiga 1200
orion@thenet.co.uk 170Mb HD, 16Mb Fast
www.thenet.co.uk/~orion/ Blizzard 1230IV 50Mhz
Top o Nerae! Gunbuster! Team *AMIGA*[RETURN TO TOP]
Subject: WOA
Date: 21 Apr 1998 23:06:45
Mark Sayers, you have been found guilty of saying 'WOA'. What have you to say in your defence?
MS> PD Anyone going to the show on the Saturday. ?
MS> Yep I'll be there saturday.
I'll be there both days, sitting in on the CU stand, lending a hand and a machine :|
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
Subject: Scanners
Date: 21 Apr 1998 23:04:56
A. Burge, you have been found guilty of saying 'Scanners'. What have you to say in your defence?
AB> Ralph,
AB> Do you have the above scanner and would you recommend it?
I do, and I'm highly chuffed with it. Incidentally, I bought the MAC version,
so I'd get the right lead, and also the ability to use the drivers under
Shapeshifter.
Works a treat, and I use Scantek sometimes which also works well with it.
(Must register that sometime)
Simon Archer[RETURN TO TOP]
From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Boxer
Hi All,
Anyone reviewed the current specs for the Boxer? Care to speculate on its
current/future potential? First the specs:
>BoXeR AMIGA MOTHERBOARD
>Technical Information List (May change without notice):
>100% Amiga compatible.
>Baby-AT motherboard based on Amiga technology - fits in ANY standard PC
>Desktop/Tower case.
That's a good plus if it really is easy to fit.
>Motorola 68040 or 68060 at 25-75MHz supported in a single processor socket.
So you have to fit your own processor! It's a delicate job removing them
from what I've heard. When it says 75Mhz does that apply to only the 060
processor and are there 75Mhz crystals readily available now?
>On board 2Mb CHIP RAM.
>4 x 72 pin standard SIMM sockets allowing up to 2Gb FAST RAM.
Nice for those who have had to live with just one SIMM socket.
>Dual IDE Hard disk interface, with standard pitch 40 pin header.
Handy but what about SCSI? We need SCSI! Also I wonder if there is any
improvement on IDE implimentation with this motherboard. Dave Haynie more
or less states current IDE implimentation is a bit of a botch..
>Flash ROM 2Mb, 32 bit wide. Used to provide kickstart ROM's and resident
>modules.
I know nothing about this. Is that better or the same as current amiga's?
>Floppy disk drive interface, operating as DF0:, including 0.5sec delay
>on RDY.
Only one. :-/
>CD-ROM audio input connector and mixer.
>Real Time Clock, using NiCad.
>Keyboard port is a standard DIN connector for PC keyboard or Amiga
>keyboard (Auto-detection).
Will it suffer similar probs to current tower conversions?
>2 x 16 bit Active ISA slots, in-line with 4 x Zorro 3 slots.
Yummy. What can ISA offer now? (assuming the drivers will be available).
Zorro III will appeal to A1200 owners - even A1200T owners who I understand
have some bus bottleneck issues that big box amigas don't have.
>Amiga Video slot
>Connectors :
>Printer port, 26 pin header.
>AV slot - provides audio, composite and RGB signals.
>RGB video (on rear AV board).
Anything new/special there?
>Serial port 10 pin header
>Joystick and mouse port, 10 pin headers.
>Audio header, 4x1.
>Power In - standard PC 12 pin connector
No mention of how the motherboard etc are cooled..
>IDE - 40 pin (Dual)
>Floppy drive DF0:/DF1: header.
Ah, does this mean it has a 2nd internal floppy header for 2nd DD's?
>Key Design Points :
>The all-new leading-edge design uses the AGA chip set for compatibility
>but has completely redesigned logic to achieve the highest performance
>and most flexible design.
Anyone know what this means in English? :)
>Supports 68040 or 68060 from 25MHz - 75MHz.
>Designed to achieve low system cost.
Maybe why no SCSI as standard. :-(
>Supports 4x standard 72 pin SIMM's for total FAST memory of 2Gb.
>High-speed CHIP memory read/write technology which can boost access
>by up to 30%.
Is that provided you use specific SIMMS?
>Mounts in standard PC baby-AT case. (Huge selection of cases available
>from a wide range of suppliers at the lowest price points)
>Processor connector to support a low cost PowerPC upgrade
>(in development).
The cost of the PowerPC upgrade has gotta be a key factor for many. For me
the cost of the CyberstormPPC card and all the modifications etc I'd have
to make put me off. SCSI is a must for me too.
>This expansion allows the on-board 680x0 to remain in place so that
>the upgrade is little more than a PowerPC on a card.
With a port for the planned Phase 5 gfx card?
>MPEG/Genlock module with high quality output and broadcast quality
>genlocking is in development.
Interesting, providing it's available in August too otherwise it might well
prove to be one of those modules that are never realised. I wonder who's
doing this module?
>Has live working 16-bit ISA slots to support low cost peripherals such
>as Modems, Ethernet and Sound cards.
Awe64 anyone?! What else can use ISA and is useful?
>FlashROM allows software and hardware updates.
>CD-ROM File System in ROM allows booting from CD's.
Product Pricing Information
BoXeR (board only) Europe: 408.47 UKP + VAT (479.95 UKP)
I think even at that price (and who knows what features will slip in before
its release in August) the Boxer is still a viable choice for some. It's
just not at a price point low enough to capture many new users to the amiga
scene and that IMO is the biggest dissapointment of all. Though I guess
it's unrealistic to expect a *real* turnaround in the amigas market share
until the day a PPC OS and software base is established. The 680?0
processor just can't cut it against what's out there now. The
dual-processor option can at best hope to keep the sinking ship from
hitting rock bottom thus killing a PPC machine before it's even become a
reality.
How similar is the amiga's current crisis to that which Apple went through
when switching to PPC? Can anything be learn't from it?
For me, it looks like I'll have to wait for the Phase 5 Pre/box or wait and
hope the CyberstormPPC falls in price. I won't be saving up specifically
for either but that's because I'd sooner not wait for what might not happen
and instead spend my money on stuff I can use now.
Regards
"-- "
MM>---------------*A3000T 50/060*------------------
/// 56k modem > MFC III > 4X CDD > Picasso IV \\\
\\\ 3.2Gig SCSI HD's > Prelude soundcard ///
WW>--------------- norm@thenet.co.uk ----------------[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: 21 Apr 98 18:34:15 +0200
Subject: Re: Digital Universe Update.
> Good news. The Canadian exchange rate is better than the one I was working to
> before. This means that the single order would be £32, plus of course around
> £8 customs charge plus VAT. That rip off is the nasty surprise our wonderful
> government adds to orders from Canada :-(
Isn't there a way around the Customs charge? if it was sent as a
gift/present surely you don't have to pay that? Its just that we get stuff
from my wifes family in USA and as far as I can tell they don't pay Custom
charge nor do we when it arrives. Suppose if they see its from a Company
they say it can't be a gift/present. They do work strangely though, we got
some photos and they had been opened by Customs as it had a big sticker on
it saying so, then a large box that they hadn't checked.
Just a thought.
Taz
--
Taz@devil.u-net.com
Http://www.devil.u-net.com/psx.html
[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: 21 Apr 98 18:34:15 +0200
Subject: Re: Digital Universe Update.
> Good news. The Canadian exchange rate is better than the one I was working to
> before. This means that the single order would be £32, plus of course around
> £8 customs charge plus VAT. That rip off is the nasty surprise our wonderful
> government adds to orders from Canada :-(
Isn't there a way around the Customs charge? if it was sent as a
gift/present surely you don't have to pay that? Its just that we get stuff
from my wifes family in USA and as far as I can tell they don't pay Custom
charge nor do we when it arrives. Suppose if they see its from a Company
they say it can't be a gift/present. They do work strangely though, we got
some photos and they had been opened by Customs as it had a big sticker on
it saying so, then a large box that they hadn't checked.
Just a thought.
Taz
--
Taz@devil.u-net.com
Http://www.devil.u-net.com/psx.html
[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:13:08 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Digital Universe Update.
Hello Taz
On 21-Apr-98, Taz, Re: Digital Universe Update. wrote:
>> >> Snipped
>
> Isn't there a way around the Customs charge? if it was sent as a
> gift/present surely you don't have to pay that? Its just that we get stuff
> from my wifes family in USA and as far as I can tell they don't pay Custom
> charge nor do we when it arrives. Suppose if they see its from a Company
> they say it can't be a gift/present. They do work strangely though, we got
> some photos and they had been opened by Customs as it had a big sticker on
> it saying so, then a large box that they hadn't checked.
Some time ago I had a Suprafax modem that went belly up ( under guarantee )
contacted Supra in the states and sent the modem for repair , when I
eventually got it back , the bloody Customs and Excise leeches had slapped
a £18 import charge on it ( VAT ) , even though the packet was showing
it was a guarantee repair job , took months to get it back , but I did , the
B*&******))'s , BTW , the Init string you kindly sent me seems to have
worked.......I wonder why!!
-- [RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:49:00 +0100
Subject: Y2K Article
Hi,
I noticed today in a "local" paper, it covers from Aberdeen to Thurso, an
article about the year 2000 problem and how it affects your business.
We know that it is a software problem ather than hardware and little was
mentioned in the text about the processor to use. What grabbed me was the
photo of a CPU with the caption "Little Marvel ... the year 2000 computer
chip".
Guess what this super chip was, a Motorla 68030 :-)
Regards,
Bill.[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:32:46 -0000
Subject: Joke from Haighy
Just in case anyone missed this one
Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take
to change a light bulb?
A: 1,331:
1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail
list that the light bulb has been changed
14 to share similar experiences of changing light
bulbs and how the light bulb could have been
changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about
changing light bulbs.
53 to flame the spell checkers
156 to write to the list administrator complaining about
the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness
to this mail list.
41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and
to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar,
alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing
light bulbs be stopped.
111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we
are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts
**are** relevant to this mail list.
306 to debate which method of changing light
bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs,
what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique, and what brands are faulty.
27 to post URLs where one can see examples of
different light bulbs
14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and
to post corrected URLs.
3 to post about links they found from the URLs that
are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs
relevant to this list.
33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote
them including all headers and footers, and then
add "Me Too."
12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing
because they cannot handle the light bulb
controversey.
19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."
4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion
was meant for, leave it here.
143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
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Haighy@thenet.co.uk
... Reality is for those who can't face Science Fiction.
* Pick-Tag v2.5 * Registered to Steve Haigh.[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:01:05 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Weekly Stats
Hi Paul :)
On 19-Apr-98, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> On 19-Apr-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
>> Thought I'd better warn people. As of next week the stats will
>> indicate what percentage of people's posts is quotes....
> I hope people don't go too mad. It can get incredibly hard to follow
a thread
> if the relevant stuff has been snipped after all ;)
Well it will show the percentage of quoting that everyone does and
highlight those who are above 50%. The thing is that its easy to
forget to edit mail and this just acts as a little reminder to people.
--
Have fun,
Eoghann
SOLAR FLARE: http://www.thenet.co.uk/~eoghann/
AMIGA CHATTER: https://members.tripod.com/~amiga_chatter
MODERATOR Fantasy & Science Fiction discussion list
https://members.tripod.com/~ego2/[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:04:14 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: IB
Hi Steve :)
On 19-Apr-98, Steve Haigh wrote:
> On 19-Apr-98, Eoghann Irving carefully put 2 fingers to the keyboard
and
> picked out the following letters
>> I know you say you've tried the MUI settings, but this really does
>> sound like a clash there.
> I have looked at the settings left right and centre, no joy.
> I wondered if it may be a datatype prob, does MUI use datatypes ?
I'd try Vader's "MUI prefs flush" technique then. I can think of a
couple of occasions when corrupted MUI prefs have produced really
peculiar results.
MUI does use datatypes to the extent that various components use them
to load images. however, datatypes tend to either work or not work at
all with very little inbetween.
--
Have fun,
Eoghann
SOLAR FLARE: http://www.thenet.co.uk/~eoghann/
AMIGA CHATTER: https://members.tripod.com/~amiga_chatter
MODERATOR Fantasy & Science Fiction discussion list
https://members.tripod.com/~ego2/[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:20:20 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Weekly Stats
Hello Dave :)
On 20-Apr-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
> On 18-Apr-98, You Wrote About The Subject Weekly Stats,
>> I've also uploaded the digest to the web site. Has anyone looked
at
>> the digests? I'd be interested to hear peoples opinion on their
>> format.
> Last time I checked, ie. after the first batch, they were all on one
huge page
> (100K+). Maybe either a downloadable text file of all mails, or a
digest by
> day split over 7 pages or something simular would be better, or as
an
> addition?
Err, well the reason it wa all on one page was so that it was
downloadable. I was assuming that people wouldn't want to browse that
amount of stuff online.
I chose HTML over text because it makes moving through the digest
easier. You can jump to any message, read it and then back up to the
top again. It also allowed me to give colour quoting and stuff like
that.
A daily version is possible (although I'd only be uploading the damn
things weekly! ;)
I might even be able to give more versatile threading. I'll have a
think about it.
> I've updated my Amiga Chatter page to include a link and some
information.
Cheers :)
--
Have fun,
Eoghann
SOLAR FLARE: http://www.thenet.co.uk/~eoghann/
AMIGA CHATTER: https://members.tripod.com/~amiga_chatter
MODERATOR Fantasy & Science Fiction discussion list
https://members.tripod.com/~ego2/[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:31:02 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: BoXeR price announced! (fwd)
Hello Paul :)
On 21-Apr-98, Paul Webb wrote:
> In reply to what Eoghann Irving said about "Re[2]: BoXeR price
announced! (fwd)"...
>> There is some seriously cool stuff on the horizon for the BoXeR,
(PPC,
>> on the fly reprogrammable chips, PCI). Don't rule it out yet. :)
> I didn't mean to. I just can't afford that kind of cash outlay.
> Instead I'm going to have another go at towering my A1200, (I'll get
> the BoXeR later, when all the lovely PPC and graphic bits are out).
Well these things always come down to how much money you have. But I
think that a complete BoXeR system (from about £1000 I believe) will
compare pretty well pricewise a towered A1200 plus Zorro slots etc.
Particularly since BoXeR has a PPC slot and ISA slots.
--
Have fun,
Eoghann
SOLAR FLARE: http://www.thenet.co.uk/~eoghann/
AMIGA CHATTER: https://members.tripod.com/~amiga_chatter
MODERATOR Fantasy & Science Fiction discussion list
https://members.tripod.com/~ego2/[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:27:39 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: HTML
Hi Dave :)
On 20-Apr-98, Dave Fisher wrote:
> On 18-Apr-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[2]: HTML,
>> eXtensible Markup Language.
>> Basically it makes it easy to add unique tags and create your own
>> markup language.
> Ah ha. I see, sounds interesting. Ah joy, another thing to learn
about ;)
Well its an official W3C standard now so I guess they'll have some of
those hideously technical specs for it on their web site.
>> Yeah. Style sheets is a good idea in itself, but I don't like the
>> idea of embedding fonts for downloading. I don't really understand
>> this desperation for the page to look identical on all screens.
> Yeah I don't either. What happens when you get crossplatform like
Amiga <> PC.
> I mean the fonts on PC don't match those on the Amiga (well by name
anyway) so
> that defeats the object straight away. I suppose we'll end up saying
Times =
> CGTimes (or whatever) and re-mapping all the fonts in a prefs file ?
Gee fun.
Re-mapping is how it should be done really. HTML says we want Arial
Bold here. Browser says, never heard of it, but this helvetica is
Sans-serif, I'll use that instead. :)
> Sounds to me that W3 are being leaned upon by our old mate Gates.
Urgh, that
> bloke does my head in !
Well I imagine it will suit him fine, but I don't think this was a
deliberate plot of MS. I think its actually the fault of web
designers. A lot of them are obsessed with make web pages like DTP.
> I was going to go back and change mine, but thought sod it :) I've
left them
> as . I may change them at some point.
Thats what Find & Replace is for. ;)
I usually do that sort of change the next time I'm updating a page.
But of course that can mean that the site is inconsistant.
>>> [HSC]
> LOL. Nought wrong with Unix :) I just don't like using it again when
I get
> home :) Anyway, although a GUI would be nice, docs in english would
be better!
> I gave up in the end, and wrote some more e-mail. :)
Ah, but if I remember rightly, doesn't the author say that he didn't
write good docs because he doesn't want idiots using his program? It
was something ridiculous like that anyway.
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:15:48 +0100
Subject: Re[6]: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Norman :)
On 20-Apr-98, Norman Shearer wrote:
> Hi Eoghann Irving, on 19-Apr-98 14:38:23 you caught my attention
with the following prose:
>> Hmm, well thats something. But really what PPaint is good at is
being
>> a bitmap paint package. There are already loads of products doing
the
>> 24bit stuff.
> How many are still actively being developed though? Paint packages
aren't
> really my scene but I do recall the amiga had quite a suite of them
years
> ago and a review of one or the other seemed to appear in every other
amiga
> mag. Not so now. Gfx manipulation/conversion seems to be what most
people
> want now.
Well there's Photogenics NG and ArtEffect, both of which are full
24bit paint packages. And of course in the past there has been
Photogenics, Brilliance, Opal Paint, TVPaint and goodness knows how
many others.
Its a crowded market that one. :)
>> Most people on the net say the same thing, but net users are a
pretty
>> small part of the magazines readership. Less than 20% if I
remember
>> rightly.
> Still a signifcant percentage where a small market is concerned. At
least
> that's the argument used when amiga piracy is debated.
Well not really since news is only what 4 pages out of the magazine.
So while there may be 4 pages of no interest to them in there, they do
get all the net pages, the reviews, features, tutorials etc.
After all the net bit is probably really boring for those who aren't
connected. You can't expect to like every page in a magazine. ;)
> It must be an ever increasing percentage also. particularly as more
and more
> amigans are more or less forced to upgrade their set-ups to meet
software
> demands etc.
Well there's not much sign that people are upgrading their Amigas to
use the new software. :-(
> I've
> often wondered how magazines/newspapers will adjust to mass net
useage. One
> journo told me that newspapers will not be affected because they are
pretty
> much accessable anywhere and also because they act as a kinda filter
-
> extracting what we want to hear from the huge mass of news out
there. My
> personal view was that I'd sooner act as a filter than leave it to
some
> editor to decide for me.
Ah, but you probably do let someone filter for you anyway. If you get
your news from the TV or radio then its being filtered. If you get it
from the net its also probably filtered. Unless you gather it all
from newsgroups etc. in which case you would be spending most of your
day doing it.
There will always be a place for people who can take raw information
and turn it into something understandable. Not to mention checking
some basic facts for you in the process.
>> I'm just wondering. UFO was also a Microprose game you see.
Perhaps
>> AF did some sort of package deal.
> Ah, right. I didn't realise that. I wonder what's due in the next
issue of
> AF then?
Its interesting, a lot of the titles that Guildhall released under the
ACID label were Microprose titles. Will be be seeing Civilization or
colonisation soon? :)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:27:32 +0100
Subject: Re[3]: Digital Universe Update.
Hi Alan
On 22-Apr-98, you wrote:
> Some time ago I had a Suprafax modem that went belly up ( under guarantee )
> contacted Supra in the states and sent the modem for repair , when I
> eventually got it back , the bloody Customs and Excise leeches had slapped
> a £18 import charge on it ( VAT ) , even though the packet was showing
> it was a guarantee repair job ,
I know what you mean. I dislike the way they hold *your property* until you
pay up. It would not be bad if you could do this at delivery but they have to
stroe your parcel at the main post office, so for me it meant a 30 mile drive
added onto the already unjust "leechware" (tm).
Regards
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From: "Colin Pritchard"
Subject: Re: Re[6]: AF is killing the Amiga!!
On 22-Apr-98 18:15:48, Eoghann Irving
happy knowledge he's probably wrong the following garble:
Err. Sorry about subject. Just blame that damn YAM :)
>Well there's Photogenics NG and ArtEffect, both of which are full
Photogenics NG? I thought the newest version of PG was 2.0 and after that
Almathera had gone out of business after doing some work for VIScorp and not
getting paid...?
>24bit paint packages. And of course in the past there has been
>Photogenics, Brilliance, Opal Paint, TVPaint and goodness knows how
>many others.
Brilliance (1+2) was only 24bit internally. In other words if you wanted 24bit
you'd have to put up with HAM8, and then you get the fringing :(
However, IMO, Brilliance beats the living poopoo out of most other paint
packages I've seen :) I bought Brilliance 2 a few years ago in a special AF
offer, and I'm damn pleased I did :) I mean the interface is great, and you
can do some really nifty stuff with it :)
Just thought I'd say something :)
Oh hey, I noticed Haighy's jokes yesterday. Top jokes, Haighy! :)
-What's the difference between blue and purple?
-Your grip. :)
And hey, anyone know who that Taz bloke is on IRC?
;))
-'Nip. :)
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Date: 22 Apr 98 18:55:51 +0200
Subject: Re: Digital Universe Update.
>BTW , the Init string you kindly sent me seems to have
> worked.......I wonder why!!
Suppose its one of lifes un-answerable questions :-)
It seems to work fine for me as well, thankfully.
Taz
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:38:15 -0000
Subject: Joke from Haighy
Diary of an AOL User.
July 18 - I just tried to connect to America Online. I've heard it is
the best online service I can get. They even included a free disk! I'd
better hold onto it in case they don't ever send me an ther one! I
can't connect. I don't know what is wrong.
July 19 - Some guy at the tech support center says my computer needs a
modem. I don't see why. He's just trying to cheat me. How dumb does he
think I am?
July 22 - I bought the modem. I couldn't figure out where it goes. It
wouldn't fit in the monitor or the printer. I'm confused.
July 23 - I finally got the modem in and hooked up. that nine year old
next door did it for me. But it still don't work. I cant get online.
July 25 - That nine year old kid next door hooked me up to America
Online for me. He's so smart. I told the kid he was a prodigy. But he
says that's just another service. What a modest kid. He's so smart and
he does these services for people. Anyway he's smarter then the jerks
who sold me the modem. They didn't even tell me about communications
software. Bet they didn't know. And why do they put two telephone jack
holes in the back of a modem when you only need one? And why do they
have one labeled phone when you are not suppose to hook it to the phone
jack on the wall? I thought the dial tone sounded funny! Boy, are modem
makers dumb! But the kid figured it out by the sound.
July 26 - What's the internet? I thought I was on America Online. Not
this internet thing. I'm confused.
July 27 - The nine year old kid next door showed me how to use this
America Online stuff. I told him he must be a genius. He says that he is
compared to me. Maybe he's not so modest after all.
July 28 - I tried to use chat today. I tried to talk into my computer
but nothing happened. maybe I need to buy a microphone.
July 29 - I found this thing called usenet. I got out of it because I'm
connected to America Online not usenet.
July 30 - These people in this usenet thing keep using capital letters.
How do they do that? I never figured out how to type capital letters.
Maybe they have a different type of keyboard.
JULY 31 - I CALLED THE COMPUTER MAKER I BOUGHT IT FROM TO COMPLAIN
ABOUT NOT HAVING A CAPITOL LETTER KEY. THE TECH SUPPORT GUY SAID IT WAS
THIS CAPS LOCK KEY. WHY DIDN'T THEY SPELL IT OUT? I TOLD HIM I GOT A
CHEAP KEYBOARD AND WANTED A BETTER ONE. AND ONE OF MY SHIFT KEYS ISNT
THE SAME SIZE AS THE OTHER. HE SAID THATS A STANDARD. I TOLD HIM I
DIDN'T WANT A STANDARD KEYBOARD BUT ANOTHER BRAND. I MUST HAVE HAD AN
IMPORTANT COMPLAINT BECAUSE I HEARD HIM TELL THE OTHER SUPPORT GUYS
TO LISTEN IN ON OUR CONVERSATION.
AUGUST 1 - I FOUND THIS THING CALLED THE USENET ORACLE. IT SAYS THAT IT
CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I ASK IT. I SENT IT 44 SEPARATE QUESTIONS ABOUT
THE INTERNET. I HOPE IT RESPONDS SOON.
AUGUST 2 - I FOUND A GROUP CALLED REC.HUMOR. I DECIDED TO POST THIS JOKE
ABOUT THE CHICKEN THAT CROSSED THE ROAD. TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE! HA!
HA! I WASNT SURE I POSTED IT RIGHT SO I POSTED IT 56 MORE TIMES.
AUGUST 3 - I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE WORLD WIDE WEB. I DON'T NOW SPIDERS
GREW THAT LARGE.
AUGUST 4 - THE ORACLE RESPONDED TO MY QUESTIONS TODAY. GEEZ IT WAS RUDE.
I WAS SO ANGRY THAT I POSTED AN ANGRY MESSAGE ABOUT IT TO
REC.HUMOR.ORACLE. I WASNT SURE IF I POSTED RIGHT SO I POSTED IT 22 MORE
TIMES.
AUGUST 5 - SOMEONE TOLD ME TO READ THE FAQ. GEEZ THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO USE
PROFANITY.
AUGUST 6 - SOMEONE ELSE TOLD ME TO STOP SHOUTING IN ALL MY MESSAGES.
WHAT A STUPID JERK. IM NOT SHOUTING! IM NOT EVEN TALKING! JUST TYPING!
HOW CAN THEY LET THESE RUDE JERKS GO ON THE INTERNET?
August 7 - Why have a Caps Lock key if you're not suppose to use it? Its
probably an extra feature that costs more money.
August 8 - I just read this post called make money fast. I'm so exited.
I'm going to make lots of money. I followed his instructions and posted
it to every newsgroup I could find.
August 9 - I just made my signature file. Its only 6 pages long. I will
have to work on it some more.
August 10 - I just looked at a group called alt.aol.sucks. I read a few
posts and I really believe that aol should be wiped off the face of the
earth. I wonder what an aol is.
August 11 - I was asking where to find some information about something.
Some guy told me to check out ftp.netcom.com. I've looked and looked
but I can't find that group.
August 12 - I sent a post to every usenet group on the Internet asking
where the ftp.netcom.com is. hopefully someone will help. I cant ask the
kid next door. His parents said that when he comes back from my house
he's laughing so hard he can't eat or sleep or do his homework. So they
wont let him come over anymore. I do have a great sense of humor. I
don't know why the rec.humor group didn't like my chicken joke. Maybe
they only like dirty stuff. Some people sent me posts about my 56 posts
of the joke and they used bad words.
August 13 - I sent another post to every usenet group on the Internet
asking where the ftp.netcom.com is. I had forgot yesterday to include my
new signature file which is only 8 pages long. I know everyone will want
to read my favorite poem so I included it. I'm also going to add that
short story I like.
August 14 - Some guy suspended my account because of what I was doing. I
told him I don't have an account at his bank. He's so dumb.
:)
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:07:13 +0100
Subject: Re: Weekly Stats
Hi Eoghann
On 22-Apr-98, Eoghann Irving wrote:
> Well it will show the percentage of quoting that everyone does and
> highlight those who are above 50%. The thing is that its easy to
> forget to edit mail and this just acts as a little reminder to people.
I agree and hope *not* to see my name in lights ;)
/me wonders if he's snipped enou.......
Cheers,
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Subject: RE: Y2K Article
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:57:22 +0100
I have espied the following from the noted Bill Eaves:
> Subject: Y2K Article
> I noticed today in a "local" paper, it covers from Aberdeen to Thurso, an
> article about the year 2000 problem and how it affects your business.
> We know that it is a software problem ather than hardware and little was
> mentioned in the text about the processor to use.
I think you will find that the software gets the date from the hardware. If
the hardware stores the date as two figures then the software comes
unglued.
Regards
John
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:36:02 +0500
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
On 21-Apr-98, Paul Ferguson wrote:
>Hi Adrian,
>
>Or you could try:
>>http://www.virtual-pc.com/henners/macintosh
>Use the link to resources and Library, scroll down to Software Library and
>choose Operating Systems. You'll find just what you are looking for :))
>I haven't tried to d/load any of the files but I don't see why it shouldn't
>work
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the above. I have just downloaded the BootFile and guess what -It
works :-))
All I have to do now is find out how it all operates.
It would seem that the CUCD has at least two corrupt file on it.
The BootFile I downloaded looked identical to the original in evey way.
One works, one doesn't. Lets hope that the rest of the filesare OK. My main
purpose for running Shapeshifter is to be able to read .pdf.
I have access to an online hobby magazine which is published monthly, but
it's in .pdf
Thanks again,
Adrian[RETURN TO TOP]
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:34:10 +0100
Subject: More BoXeR news :)
Hi :)
Here are a few /cuttings/ from the Amiga Network News site.
"Mick Tinker explains why the BoXer costs as much. The production cost
was 20% higher than expected (the unit is manufactured in the UK) and
also because the initial production volume will be relatively low.
However, they intend to reduce the price once higher volumes and cost
reductions on the board are
possible."
"Apparently, the BoXer will come with a CatWeaselII type controller
that allows 1.44 MB PC drives to be connected (possibly also 2.66 MB
and 120 MB LS
drives)."
"The BoXer will come with an A/V slot that initially will have a card
with the current Audio/Video chips (AGA/Paula). Later, it can be
replaced by a CyberVisionPPC card, since the connector is compatible
to that on CyberStormPPC accelerators. The A/V slot has direct access
to the processor and
memory."
If you're not familiar with the Amiga Network News web pages then you
should be. They're a great way of keeping track of what happens in
the Amiga news groups, without having to read the hundreds of posts.
The link will soon be up on the Amiga chatter web site along with
other good news sources.
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Date: 23 Apr 98 22:49:07 +0100
Subject: Re: BoXeR price announced! (fwd)
In reply to what Eoghann Irving said about "Re[2]: BoXeR price announced! (fwd)"...
> Hello Paul :)
>
> On 21-Apr-98, Paul Webb wrote:
> > In reply to what Eoghann Irving said about "Re[2]: BoXeR price
> announced! (fwd)"...
>
> >> There is some seriously cool stuff on the horizon for the BoXeR,
> (PPC,
> >> on the fly reprogrammable chips, PCI). Don't rule it out yet. :)
>
> > I didn't mean to. I just can't afford that kind of cash outlay.
> > Instead I'm going to have another go at towering my A1200, (I'll get
> > the BoXeR later, when all the lovely PPC and graphic bits are out).
>
> Well these things always come down to how much money you have. But I
> think that a complete BoXeR system (from about £1000 I believe) will
> compare pretty well pricewise a towered A1200 plus Zorro slots etc.
>
> Particularly since BoXeR has a PPC slot and ISA slots.
Well those two win it for me. Just think, an Amiga with a £20 network
card...mmmmmmm. I want to buy myself a nice BoXeR in a big towercase,
and live happily ever after, I'll just have to save up (by which time
a new MB will come out, offering more features and costing a few quid
less). Well, no one ever said owning an Amiga was cheap [these days],
but you do get what you pay for.
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Date: 23 Apr 98 22:42:45 +0100
Subject: Re: Boxer
In reply to what Norman Shearer said about "Boxer"...
>
> >Motorola 68040 or 68060 at 25-75MHz supported in a single processor socket.
>
> So you have to fit your own processor! It's a delicate job removing them
> from what I've heard. When it says 75Mhz does that apply to only the 060
> processor and are there 75Mhz crystals readily available now?
I don't have an '040/060 card in my current machine. Where can I buy a
single MC68060 cpu? (and how much I wonder?)
> >On board 2Mb CHIP RAM.
> >4 x 72 pin standard SIMM sockets allowing up to 2Gb FAST RAM.
>
> Nice for those who have had to live with just one SIMM socket.
I would have liked to have seen 168 pin DIMMs, but you can't have
everything.
> >Flash ROM 2Mb, 32 bit wide. Used to provide kickstart ROM's and resident
> >modules.
>
> I know nothing about this. Is that better or the same as current amiga's?
Much better, the kickstart found in (all?) Amigas is only 512K, so the
BoXeRs KS is four times bigger, and you don't have to replace the
chips to upgrade, just update the flash rom with a software patch.
>
> >CD-ROM audio input connector and mixer.
A very important feature (for me).
> >Serial port 10 pin header
> >Joystick and mouse port, 10 pin headers.
> >Audio header, 4x1.
> >Power In - standard PC 12 pin connector
>
> No mention of how the motherboard etc are cooled..
It's an Amiga, isn't that cool enough :)
> >Designed to achieve low system cost.
I'd hate to what a high system cost would have been.
> How similar is the amiga's current crisis to that which Apple went through
> when switching to PPC? Can anything be learn't from it?
From a hardware point of view I think the Amiga is in a much better
position, we have a real 680x0 cpu to fall back on when it comes to
running old software, but there is a problem. When the Mac went PPC,
Apple were behind the platform, converting not only the OS but getting
support of other developers to convert and write PPC native apps. The
Amiga has been without a guiding light for years now (and were still
here, that must say something) and there _seems_ to be almost no word
from Amiga Int./Inc. about the future of the PPC version of
Workbench/Kickstart or any other software developments. We've come so
far these past few years, it would be a shame to loose now, just as we
are coming out of the dark times.
> For me, it looks like I'll have to wait for the Phase 5 Pre/box or wait and
> hope the CyberstormPPC falls in price.
You might be in for a long wait, I wouldn't hold my breath for the
pre/box.
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: Boxer
Hi Paul Webb, on 23-Apr-98 22:42:45 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>> >Motorola 68040 or 68060 at 25-75MHz supported in a single processor socket.
> I don't have an '040/060 card in my current machine. Where can I buy a
> single MC68060 cpu? (and how much I wonder?)
Good point. Maybe they'll do what Phase 5 are with the Power_Up boards ie;
give you the option to get with/without 680?0 CPUs..
>> >On board 2Mb CHIP RAM.
>> >4 x 72 pin standard SIMM sockets allowing up to 2Gb FAST RAM.
> I would have liked to have seen 168 pin DIMMs, but you can't have
> everything.
How do they compare on price and performance? I expect this was another
cost saving measure and also helped cut development time.
>> >Flash ROM 2Mb, 32 bit wide.
> Much better, the kickstart found in (all?) Amigas is only 512K, so the
> BoXeRs KS is four times bigger, and you don't have to replace the
> chips to upgrade, just update the flash rom with a software patch.
That does sound good. :)
>> No mention of how the motherboard etc are cooled..
> It's an Amiga, isn't that cool enough :)
Hehe. It's just I know those 040's get very hot. Not sure about PPC
processors..
>> >Designed to achieve low system cost.
> I'd hate to what a high system cost would have been.
IKWYM! Goodish news is that's set to change. They're initially pushing the
boxed systems as a cheaper replacement of the A4000T. I wonder how that'll
affect Quickpac? I've not heard owt about them in ages.
>> How similar is the amiga's current crisis to that which Apple went through
>> when switching to PPC?
> From a hardware point of view I think the Amiga is in a much better
> position, we have a real 680x0 cpu to fall back on when it comes to
> running old software,
Didn't they get backward compatability via emulation? I know many people
were screaming that AI should've went this route and saved the expense of
getting an 060 processor to would-be buyers.
> but there is a problem. When the Mac went PPC,
> Apple were behind the platform, converting not only the OS but getting
> support of other developers to convert and write PPC native apps. The
> Amiga has been without a guiding light for years now (and were still
> here, that must say something) and there _seems_ to be almost no word
> from Amiga Int./Inc. about the future of the PPC version of
> Workbench/Kickstart or any other software developments.
Yes and although OS3.5 will be welcome, it'll do little to induce PPC
support and OS4 looks an agonisingly long way off. Not much they can do
with the small development team they have so far though. :-(
> We've come so
> far these past few years, it would be a shame to loose now, just as we
> are coming out of the dark times.
Too true. These are /scarey/ times..
>> For me, it looks like I'll have to wait for the Phase 5 Pre/box or wait and
>> hope the CyberstormPPC falls in price.
> You might be in for a long wait, I wouldn't hold my breath for the
> pre/box.
Sooner than the A/box. ;) Yeh, I guess the time-frame is highly dependant
on the success or not of Power_Up and Boxer. Maybe by Xmas the Boxers specs
and price will make me want that instead.
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From: "Norman Shearer"
Subject: Re: Re[6]: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Eoghann Irving, on 22-Apr-98 19:15:48 you caught my attention with the following prose:
>> Hmm, well thats something. But really what PPaint is good at is
>> being a bitmap paint package. There are already loads of products doing
>> the 24bit stuff.
>> How many are still actively being developed though?
> Well there's Photogenics NG and ArtEffect, both of which are full
> 24bit paint packages. And of course in the past there has been
> Photogenics, Brilliance, Opal Paint, TVPaint and goodness knows how
> many others.
I'd forgotten about Photogenics NG. It's taken Paul Nolan so long to do
that prog - admittedly he's a very busy guy. I believe a working demo is
being shown at the WOA but dunno when the program will ship. As for the
rest, which are still being developed? I don't hear much about paint
packages these days..
> Its a crowded market that one. :)
Or rather /was/. :-/
>>> Most people on the net say the same thing, but net users are a
> pretty
Can I ask, what text width do you have your editor set at? 80 characters
perhaps. Or is it my setting of 75 characters that is making quoted text
screw up when the message enters the editor? :-S
>>> small part of the magazines readership. Less than 20% if I
> remember
>>> rightly.
... like above!
>> Still a signifcant percentage where a small market is concerned. At
>> least that's the argument used when amiga piracy is debated.
> Well not really since news is only what 4 pages out of the magazine.
> So while there may be 4 pages of no interest to them in there, they do
> get all the net pages, the reviews, features, tutorials etc.
Some of the latter there would also constitute news albeit of a specific
nature. ;-P Reviews (or opinions) are often better coming from the net
because they are from people who've bought the gear and more importantly
/lived/ with it for X amount of time. However, in a mags favour they
generally have more opportunity to *compare* between products whereas us
customers can only judge what we have or had.
> After all the net bit is probably really boring for those who aren't
> connected. You can't expect to like every page in a magazine. ;)
But I do. ;)
>> It must be an ever increasing percentage also. particularly as more
>> and more amigans are more or less forced to upgrade their set-ups to
>> meet software demands etc.
> Well there's not much sign that people are upgrading their Amigas to
> use the new software. :-(
Mag surveys and the drop in accelerator prices would suggest otherwise.
Vulcan's move to CD's only is another example..
>> I've often wondered how magazines/newspapers will adjust to mass net
>> useage. One journo told me that newspapers will not be affected
>> because they are pretty much accessable anywhere and also because
>> they act as a kinda filter - extracting what we want to hear from
>> the huge mass of news out there. My personal view was that I'd
>> sooner act as a filter than leave it to some editor to decide for me.
> Ah, but you probably do let someone filter for you anyway. If you get
> your news from the TV or radio then its being filtered.
True but not so much. You'd need to buy an array of newspapers to get a
similar diversification of opinions/news as you could via radio & TV.
> If you get it from the net its also probably filtered.
Different filters from different sources. Put them together and get closer
to the truth. Also cross-checking related articles is a great bonus with an
electronic newspaper. Try doing the same with The Sun!
> Unless you gather it all
> from newsgroups etc. in which case you would be spending most of your
> day doing it.
Yep, granted it's easier to have someone do the donkey work.
> There will always be a place for people who can take raw information
> and turn it into something understandable. Not to mention checking
> some basic facts for you in the process.
No doubt. I just think the demand may begin to taper off. We're not quite
as dependant on them as we were and our demands for more info exceed their
abilities to provide it. Newspapers will certainly have a place for those
that are mobile regularly. For the moment anyway..
>>> I'm just wondering. UFO was also a Microprose game you see.
>>> Perhaps AF did some sort of package deal.
>> Ah, right. I didn't realise that. I wonder what's due in the next
>> issue of AF then?
> Its interesting, a lot of the titles that Guildhall released under the
> ACID label were Microprose titles. Will be be seeing Civilization or
> colonisation soon? :)
Lovely games and the kind that might induce people to at least pay for the
manual. It still leaves me wondering where this leaves the few software
retailers that we have left? When/if AI eventually do produce/endorse a
killer amiga they will have an enormous task ahead trying to set-up
distribution and advertising. We'll be practically mail order only by then!
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:49:45 +0100
Subject: Re: HTML
Hi Eoghann,
On 18-Apr-98, You Wrote About The Subject Re[2]: HTML,
>>[AWeb HTML4 ?]
> I am a little doubtful. When it was claiming to be 3.2 compliant it
> was actually compliant with the features of 3.2 that the author had
> got round to adding. ;)
LOL. Well I read it on some page or another, but I'm sure I've since read its
only 3.2. It was a bit quick for HTML4, and I'm sure it doesn't do Style
Sheets, so in that case it erm isn't :)
> eXtensible Markup Language.
> Basically it makes it easy to add unique tags and create your own
> markup language.
Ah ha. I see, sounds interesting. Ah joy, another thing to learn about ;)
> Yeah. Style sheets is a good idea in itself, but I don't like the
> idea of embedding fonts for downloading. I don't really understand
> this desperation for the page to look identical on all screens.
Yeah I don't either. What happens when you get crossplatform like Amiga <> PC.
I mean the fonts on PC don't match those on the Amiga (well by name anyway) so
that defeats the object straight away. I suppose we'll end up saying Times =
CGTimes (or whatever) and re-mapping all the fonts in a prefs file ? Gee fun.
Sounds to me that W3 are being leaned upon by our old mate Gates. Urgh, that
bloke does my head in !
>> [NOFRAMEs Not Setup]
> Tssk tsk. Mine should be. Since frames are really only used to hold
> the navigation bar (saving about 3k per page or 150k on my site
> alone), I just provide a link in the NOFRAMES section to the main
> contents page.
Yeah I've got to do mine, its just, erm doing it :)
> I tend to avoid all the fancy tags for text (a rule I discovered for
> word processing is that if you want it to look good and do it fast,
> don't try to be clever ;). I use FONT SIZE for most text and H?
> for headers. I very rarely mess with the other ones.
I was going to go back and change mine, but thought sod it :) I've left them
as SMALL. I may change them at some point.
>> [HSC]
> That was my inevitable conclusion. Its designed by a UNIX freak I
> think. If they'd just give it a nice GUI front end it might actually
> save you some time. ;)
LOL. Nought wrong with Unix :) I just don't like using it again when I get
home :) Anyway, although a GUI would be nice, docs in english would be better!
I gave up in the end, and wrote some more e-mail. :)
> *WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BROWSER!!*
> Competition is good up to a point.
Couldn't agree more.
> The guy is clearly a compentent programmer. Why doesn't he turn his
> attention to some of the many programs that we DONT have on the
> Amiga??
I didn't read all of it, but its going to be Freeware and can be used by other
authors in their browsers or something. I can't remember exactly what he
wrote. I do agree though, he could even offer to help with one of the current
Amiga browsers. Or maybe he did and they said no. I dunno.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:40:12 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Boxer
Hello Paul :)
On 23-Apr-98, Paul Webb wrote:
> In reply to what Norman Shearer said about "Boxer"...
>>> Designed to achieve low system cost.
> I'd hate to what a high system cost would have been.
Take a look at the price of the A4000T....
In comparison this is a bargain.
Amigas are expensive, even the cheap ones.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:29:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Y2K Article
Hi Bill :)
On 22-Apr-98, Bill Eaves wrote:
> I noticed today in a "local" paper, it covers from Aberdeen to
Thurso, an
> article about the year 2000 problem and how it affects your
business.
> We know that it is a software problem ather than hardware and little
was
> mentioned in the text about the processor to use.
Actually its both software and hardware. One of the things that
hasn't been so well covered is the problems that are starting to
surface in lifts, washing machines, and many other items which use
embedded chips that have date functions.
This is potentially far more serious than the software issue.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:38:05 +0100
Subject: Re[8]: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Colin :)
On 22-Apr-98, Colin Pritchard wrote:
> On 22-Apr-98 18:15:48, Eoghann Irving
away in the
> happy knowledge he's probably wrong the following garble:
> Err. Sorry about subject. Just blame that damn YAM :)
>> Well there's Photogenics NG and ArtEffect, both of which are full
> Photogenics NG? I thought the newest version of PG was 2.0 and after
that
> Almathera had gone out of business after doing some work for VIScorp
and not
> getting paid...?
Thats because you spend too much time playing MUD. ;)
Photogenics NG is a new program by Paul Nolan (The author of the
original Photogenics). It has nothing to do with Almathera, an
arrangement which Paul is rather happy about.
There was a demonstration of it at Amiga 98 which was apparently quite
impressive. Perhaps there will be another at WOA.
> Brilliance (1+2) was only 24bit internally. In other words if you
wanted 24bit
> you'd have to put up with HAM8, and then you get the fringing :(
> However, IMO, Brilliance beats the living poopoo out of most other
paint
> packages I've seen :) I bought Brilliance 2 a few years ago in a
special AF
> offer, and I'm damn pleased I did :) I mean the interface is great,
and you
> can do some really nifty stuff with it :)
Brilliance is a good program for its age. At the time Graphics cards
were pretty rare which I guess would explain the internal only 24Bit
graphics.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:00:24 +0100
Subject: Re[2]: Boxer
Hi Norman :)
On 24-Apr-98, Norman Shearer wrote:
> Hi Paul Webb, on 23-Apr-98 22:42:45 you caught my attention with the
following prose:
>> I would have liked to have seen 168 pin DIMMs, but you can't have
>> everything.
> How do they compare on price and performance? I expect this was
another
> cost saving measure and also helped cut development time.
They're pricier and faster. But you'd only get the advantage with
PPC. So I guess for the first motherboard it didn't make economic
sense.
>> It's an Amiga, isn't that cool enough :)
> Hehe. It's just I know those 040's get very hot. Not sure about PPC
> processors..
Since the board is designed for a tower, there's no real problem.
PC towers come with fans anyway. If you think the 040 is hot try
touching a pentium. ;-))
> IKWYM! Goodish news is that's set to change. They're initially
pushing the
> boxed systems as a cheaper replacement of the A4000T. I wonder how
that'll
> affect Quickpac? I've not heard owt about them in ages.
Quickpac, being american, are aiming at a specific market. Video
Toaster users. Their A4000 towers are very high end and pricy.
>> From a hardware point of view I think the Amiga is in a much better
>> position, we have a real 680x0 cpu to fall back on when it comes to
>> running old software,
> Didn't they get backward compatability via emulation? I know many
people
> were screaming that AI should've went this route and saved the
expense of
> getting an 060 processor to would-be buyers.
Yes, but the emulation was vey slow. So that the new PPC Macs ran
slower than the old 040 Macs.
If the Amiga had to do full emulation it would face a similar problem.
But if it only emulated part of the system (ie NOT the custom chips),
then that should work okay.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:55:01 +0100
Subject: Re[8]: AF is killing the Amiga!!
Hi Norman :)
On 24-Apr-98, Norman Shearer wrote:
> Hi Eoghann Irving, on 22-Apr-98 19:15:48 you caught my attention
with the following prose:
>> Well there's Photogenics NG and ArtEffect, both of which are full
>> 24bit paint packages. And of course in the past there has been
>> Photogenics, Brilliance, Opal Paint, TVPaint and goodness knows how
>> many others.
> I'd forgotten about Photogenics NG. It's taken Paul Nolan so long to
do
> that prog - admittedly he's a very busy guy. I believe a working
demo is
> being shown at the WOA but dunno when the program will ship. As for
the
> rest, which are still being developed? I don't hear much about paint
> packages these days..
Well I guess he has to work on it inbetween work on the Siamese which
is what's currently earning him money.
PhotoGenicsNG and ArtEffect are being developed, the others aren't.
But we also have structured art programs and bitmap art programs
(PPaint).
I'd say this was one area where the Amiga is still in reasonably good
shape.
With such a small market you really don't want more than about 3 progs
competing.
>>>> Most people on the net say the same thing, but net users are a
>> pretty
> Can I ask, what text width do you have your editor set at? 80
characters
> perhaps. Or is it my setting of 75 characters that is making quoted
text
> screw up when the message enters the editor? :-S
Um, set to 70. The problem is caused by the less than intelligent
word wrapping that YAM does. One of its few weaknesses.
>> Well not really since news is only what 4 pages out of the
magazine.
>> So while there may be 4 pages of no interest to them in there, they
do
>> get all the net pages, the reviews, features, tutorials etc.
> Some of the latter there would also constitute news albeit of a
specific
> nature. ;-P Reviews (or opinions) are often better coming from the
net
> because they are from people who've bought the gear and more
importantly
> /lived/ with it for X amount of time. However, in a mags favour they
> generally have more opportunity to *compare* between products
whereas us
> customers can only judge what we have or had.
I'd disagree with you there. I very rarely see good constructive
reviews of products on the net. Its usually "Oh yeah thats cool!" or
"No thats crap" with a bit of "Oh I heard thats got bugs but I don't
know" thrown in. :))
The only places on the web who's reviews I trust are basically online
mags anyway.
>> Well there's not much sign that people are upgrading their Amigas
to
>> use the new software. :-(
> Mag surveys and the drop in accelerator prices would suggest
otherwise.
> Vulcan's move to CD's only is another example..
Nope, look at those surveys again. We still have less than 50% with
CD ROMS. The average CPU is still a 68030, just like last year. Not
much of a change at all.
Vulcan's move is an attempt to force people to upgrade. It may work,
I suspect it won't.
A lot of people got Amigas because they were cheap. Those people
won't be upgrading.
The drop in accelerator prices is controlled largely by Motorolla and
the cost of its CPUs. Also the fact that there is a PPC card means
that you simply can't sell a 680x0 accelerator for as much.
>> Ah, but you probably do let someone filter for you anyway. If you
get
>> your news from the TV or radio then its being filtered.
> True but not so much. You'd need to buy an array of newspapers to
get a
> similar diversification of opinions/news as you could via radio &
TV.
Yeah, but you pay a lot more for TV. ;)
Basically each TV program gives you an editorial view of things, just
like a newspaper does. Same with magazines.
>> If you get it from the net its also probably filtered.
> Different filters from different sources. Put them together and get
closer
> to the truth. Also cross-checking related articles is a great bonus
with an
> electronic newspaper. Try doing the same with The Sun!
But how much do you actually do that? I certainly don't have the time
to cross-check everything I read. I prefer to rely on sources that
have proven themselves.
Besides the sun isn't a newspaper. :)
>> There will always be a place for people who can take raw
information
>> and turn it into something understandable. Not to mention checking
>> some basic facts for you in the process.
> No doubt. I just think the demand may begin to taper off. We're not
quite
> as dependant on them as we were and our demands for more info exceed
their
> abilities to provide it. Newspapers will certainly have a place for
those
> that are mobile regularly. For the moment anyway..
And who do you think will supply the equivalent news on the net? Who
already does? Reuters, CNN, etc. The job title may change but thats
about all.
Most newspapers have been experimenting with online editions for
several years already.
> Lovely games and the kind that might induce people to at least pay
for the
> manual. It still leaves me wondering where this leaves the few
software
> retailers that we have left? When/if AI eventually do
produce/endorse a
> killer amiga they will have an enormous task ahead trying to set-up
> distribution and advertising. We'll be practically mail order only
by then!
I think we basically already are. I haven't seen a shop with Amiga's
in it for years. Seeing as I'm talking about Edinburgh here, its not
a totally remote and isolated area. :-(
The /new/ Amiga will effectively have to be marketed like a new
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:53:05 +0100
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
Hi Adrian,
On 23-Apr-98, A. Burge wrote:
> Thanks for the above. I have just downloaded the BootFile and guess what -It
> works :-))
Phew !! Glad to be able to help :)
> All I have to do now is find out how it all operates.
LOL...well thats all down to you. TBH it's not too far removed from your
Amiga's setup although the error messages are (almost) useless ;)
> It would seem that the CUCD has at least two corrupt file on it.
Hmm I'm not too sure if they are or not. I haven't really tried them out as I
have a reasonably stable setup here .. note I said reasonably ;)
> The BootFile I downloaded looked identical to the original in evey way.
> One works, one doesn't. Lets hope that the rest of the filesare OK. My main
> purpose for running Shapeshifter is to be able to read .pdf.
OK so hold onto the one you have now :)
PDF's should be OK if you have enough RAM :)
> I have access to an online hobby magazine which is published monthly, but
> it's in .pdf
So try it and let us all know how it goes.
> Thanks again,
No probs mate :)
Cheers,
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Subject: Shapeshifter
Date: 24 Apr 1998 01:57:04
A. Burge, you have been found guilty of saying 'Shapeshifter'. What have you to say in your defence?
AB> My main purpose for running Shapeshifter is to be able to read .pdf.
There is an Amiga version of .pdf reader called XPDF or summat, but it's
not very good. It'll still be quicker than trying to emulate a Mac to do
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:46:41 +0100
Subject: Re: Shapeshifter
Hi bml :)
On 24-Apr-98, bml wrote:
> A. Burge, you have been found guilty of saying 'Shapeshifter'. What
have you to say in your defence?
>> My main purpose for running Shapeshifter is to be able to read
.pdf.
> There is an Amiga version of .pdf reader called XPDF or summat, but
it's
> not very good. It'll still be quicker than trying to emulate a Mac
to do
> the job tho' :|
Given that XPDF is a pretty direct UNIX port, it may not be quicker.
The results are certainly inferior.
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