Notes from the Epistles of Ignatius

The Epistles of Ignatius are part of the First Volume of the Ante- Nicene Fathers. He lived from about 30 AD to 107 AD and was aquainted with the Apostle John and with Polycarp.

This set of writings has 2 versions of some of his epistles. The first are considered to be spurious (added later, written by someone else). No wonder as they are against the doctrine that Jesus is the one true God (trinity, binity teaching). However, the Syriac versions, which are considered authentic and accurate are not any better. I will include notes and location to find the tidbits from both versions.

And I have decided to make a separate page for each individual writer so you can print them out a section at a time to keep with you to locate the passages if you want. I can only link to the general area so there are quite a few subheadings for you to locate and click on for each Epistle.

There are also footnote numbers in color at the end of some state- ments. I use these to help locate passages. When you see it, the item is right before the number unless I've noted after that number or before/after (both).

Ante-Nicene Fathers Online at Wheaton College

The Versions Considered Spurious

The notes by the translator suggest that these were written by Clement of Alexandria instead of Ignatius.

IGNATIUS TO TALLIANS

Chapter VI (6) Abstain from the Poison of Heretics

after 38...."They introduce God as a Being unknown; they suppose Christ to be unbegotten;.....Some of them say that the Son is a mere man, and (others) that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same person..."

IGNATIUS TO MAGNESIANS

Chapter VI (6)

before 41...He, (Jesus) being begotten by the Father before the beginning of time."

43...Jesus said, "I can of mine own self do nothing"...last sentence ..."Jesus Christ, High Priest of the unbegotten God."

Chapter VIII (8) 48...there is one God, the Almighty...Jesus Christ His Son who is His Word...a substance begotten by divine power, who has in all things pleased Him that sent Him."

Chapter XI (11) 78...Christ, who was begotten by the Father before all ages, but afterward born of the virgin Mary,...He made known the one and only true God, His Father,..."

(((((The point of Jesus being "begotten before time began" is that trinitarians claim Jesus ALWAYS existed. That his begetting is ONLY SYMBOLIC and refers to his being begotten as a fleshly person when he became human and being spirit begotten when he was baptized as a fleshly person, etc. Before his life as a human, Jesus was supposedly never begotten, but always existed. This is not all. Other writers like Tertullian and Justin Martyr further the idea that Jesus didn't always exist as a personal being, but at the most, he only existed as an idea in his Father's mind that his Father brought into being and made into a real person before all other things.)))))

IGNATIUS TO THE EPHESIANS

Chapter VII (7)

53..."our Physician is the only true God, unbegotten and unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word before time began."

Chapter XVIII (18) 126, 127...For the Son of God, who was begotten before time began, and established all things according to the will of the Father."

Chapter XX (20) Exhortations to steadfastness and unity 141, 142...Jesus Christ, his only-begotten Son and the firstborn of every creature...Son of man and Son of God.

IGNATIUS TO PHILIPPIANS Chapter VI (6) 50-52....who Jesus is...51 calls him "the only begotten God" (the real rendering of John 1:18.

If you clicked on the links to John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4 that I scanned from my hard bound copy of the Textus Recepticus (Greek Interlinear of the King James), you have seen that God is not capitalized at John 1:1 and different forms of the word, with different spellings, etc are used for the Almighty (Jesus' Father) and the form used for Jesus, Satan, belly, etc. In fact, it is never capitalized in the Textus Recepticus unless at the beginning of a sentence. The process of capitalization depends on the form of the word used and of whom it is used. Why clergy don't tell that capitals are not used in Greek, well it's not "beyond me". I think we all can figure out WHY.


Notes from the Syriac Versions

These are considered to be authentic and accurate. They still contain the same ideas.

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE TARSIANS

Chapter II (2)

"I have learned that certain of the ministers of Satan have wished to disturb you, some of them asserting that Jesus was born (only) in appearance...and others that He is Himself God over all."

Chapter V (5)

Refutation of Previously Mentioned Errors

"And that He Himself is not God over all, and the Father, but His Son, He (shows when He) says, 'I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God.' And again, "When all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall He also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.' "

These are scriptural quotes of John 20:17 and 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 showing Jesus has a God he serves and of whom he is the subject. After the 1,000 judgment day ends death, etc. Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and again subjects himself to that one.

Chapter VI (6) Continuation

25 "I came down from heaven, not do do Mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me." (John 6:38 KJV) 29 "The Lord created Me, the beginning of His ways, for His ways, for His works. Before the world did He found Me, and before the hills did he beget me." This and 21 are references to Proverbs 8:22-31. Ignatius plainly stated that Jesus' Father CREATED him before anything else.

IGNATIUS EPISTLE TO PHILIPPIANS Chapter VII (7) Continuation. Inconstistency of Satan. 35-37...."And how, again, does Christ not appear to thee to be of the Virgin, but to be God over all, the Almighty? Say, then, who sent Him? Who was Lord over Him? And what laws did he fulfill since He was subject neither to the will nor power of anyone?" These heretics also tried to claim that Christ was both unbegotten and begotten.

Chapter IX (9) continuation. Ignorance of Satan. 43..."For if thou hadst possessed real knowledge, thou wouldst have understood that the Creator can with equal ease both create what does not exist, and change that which already has a being."

Ignatius is making the point that Jesus cannot be the Almighty if the Almighty had sent him and commanded him. And he makes the point that Jehovah can easily change the form of a being he has already created or begotten.

(((((Beget, begotten, create, created are from the same word...genesis. Usually, beget or begotten is used for intelligent beings whether heavenly or earthly, and created, create is more often used of inanimates or animals. But both refer to something or someone who/that did not always exist, but was brought into being either by the Almighty (Jesus' Father) or by Jesus as he was used for that purpose by his Father after he was brought into being.)))))


The Scoop on John 1:1

While Ignatius realized that John 1:1 and 1:18 didn't mean that Jesus God in the flesh, or a second personality that God had, the guy who translated this nevertheless saw fit to capitalize theos (god) when he made references to John 1:1 in his translation of Ignatius' work in this writing. However, you can see in a copy of the Textus Recepticus, the Greek interlinear that is supposed to justify KJV references, that DIFFERENT words are used for what Jesus is and for what his Father is. And capitalization of God is not done in Greek here or elsewhere. Again, the capitalization is the work of the later translator and not the original Greek.

His father is referred to as "ho theon". Ho meaning "the" and spelled as an o with accent mark over it. theon ends in a v..the Greek n. Jesus is called theos, ending with an "s" instead and the vowels are accented (pronounced) differently. Jesus is NEVER addressed as ho theon like his Father. And the holy spirit (ghost) is never addressed as theos anywhere in the Bible.

The Roman Catholic Greek Interlinear New Testament called Emphatic Diaglott, The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures of Jehovah's Witnesses, W. E. Vine's Expository of New Testament Words (under the "God" entry, and several other Bible versions note the difference in the form of God not used only for the Almighty (theos) and the form used only for Him (ho theon). Additionally, these words are not capitalized in Greek anywhere in the Textus Recepticus. Capitalization of God is entirely up to the discretion of the person or group doing a Bible version.

To view John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4 (where Satan the Devil is called ho theos) as they appear in a book copy of the Textus Recepticus, click on the links below.

If you want to see more pages of the TR where God occurs, email me and I will send more in email.

John 1:1
2 Corinthians 4:4
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