Amy Ray -- October 1, 1998 -- Clemson University

I'm here to talk about being a lesbian. There...I did it, I came out, yeah! A couple of years ago, Emily and I were asked to be judges in a high school lyric writing contest. We agreed to do this and the finalists, the semi-finalists, were sent in to us, and we read their entries and what we read from them was basically a lot of comments expressing that they were glad to have a chance to express themselves artistically. They talked about being in love, they talked about being abused by their parents, they talked about gang warfare, drugs, suicide, you know, it ran the gamut. It ran the socio-economic and race gamut as well. So we got a real perspective on where high school students were coming from. After we did this, we were thinking two things : number one we wanted to hear more of what students were thinking, cause we felt their hearts and their minds were open and it was very exciting to hear them expressing themselves and number two, we recognized that school arts programs, and arts programs in general, are being cut and underfunded and music programs are being underfunded. um...we went to school at a school called shamrock high school in Decatur, GA, in Dekalb county. We were very much a part of the music system there and it pretty much started our whole career for us. We started playing in high school, we were encouraged by our teachers, we played after school, we played at talent shows, you know it was very fertile grounds for the arts. And as I got older, my peers and people that I knew that were younger than me were experiencing a lack of arts programs basically in their schools and I felt it was pretty sad. So we decided we would do a short experimental tour to speak about the arts in schools, to support song writes and poets, artists of every style who wanted to express themselves we would go in and play 30 minutes during the school day, do a question and answer period afterwards and then leave and we would pay for this tour on our own, you know, fund the whole thing and basically do all the logistics ourselves. We brought in a sound system, made it like a real show so the students could understand that part of the music industry, as well as student groups would sponsor us so they would learn what it was like to sponsor a show. We jumped through a lot of hoops and came up with 5 shows in the southeast that's the only...thats as many as we were able to get to begin with. As far as going through administrative boards, parents and school systems and when we played the 1st show, we went off and did a few other dates afterwards, and I woke up to a phone call that Ermo high school in Columbia had canceled citing sexual preference as their reason. What happened is they received phone calls from 40 parents out of 4000 students saying that they weren't comfortable with two lesbians performing at their school because we wouldn't be positive role models for their kids and didn't want their kids exposed to us. My first reaction to that was 'we gotta figure out another venue', so that's what we did and in the process of doing that, discovered that the students at that school were rallying behind us and were organizing protests on their own grounds and we also found out that two other schools were canceling and citing profanity issues rather than sexual preference issues. But we were informed later by the sponsors, the teachers that sponsored those shows, that the principal was more concerned about our sexual identity than that any profanity issues, especially after I called the principal myself and suggested a permission slip system where the kids would have to to get permission from by their parents to come and I would agree not to use profanity even though it was against my better judgement...um...obviously that was a red herring because the principal still wouldn't have us. The positive impact of this was we did alternative shows in knoxville and in columbia...we went in on the day of the show and we did a show in a club after school...all ages..no alcohol and the students, teachers and parents got in for free and what happened is that students organized at their own schools and had walk outs and formed these coalitions of people to come to our show and worked with local gay organizations and had dialogue with their parents and dialogue with their teachers and they understood what it meant to stand up for something they believed in. Now ll of these students weren't gay, you know, they were just open minded and they were just willing to accept it and they were willing to put their own... and you know how high school is, your reputation is really important in high school, but these kids didn't care, they were willing to stake their reputations on the fact they were going to be supportive of us regardless of who we choose to spend the rest of our lives with, sexually. I think that the empowerment of that is something we can all learn from because as a high school student, you already feel disenfranchised, you don't have as much power, you already feel like you're inferior and that your voice doesn't count. For those kids to stand up and rally behind us was a very big deal for them and it was the reason ..that's why a negative situation became a positive situation and it was the reason why parents were forced to talk to their children about this. It might not have been discussed if the kids hadn't brought it up. I think along with the positive impacts there were a lot of negative impacts and the main one I was concerned about was that if I felt like the object of so much vehement hate, how would the kids in high school feel who are either gay or questioning their sexuality, or just a little bit different, they go against the grain just a little bit, they are vulnerable. Then they have this thing come up, it's trying, but to see them stand up in the face of that, it made me feel hopeful. I think one of the interesting things that has happened also is that I read a lot of letters to the editor that were written after this event, at Ermo high school especially, in the Atlanta paper and various other sundry places, and a lot of them, were letters of support, but what I noticed is that a lot of the letters also had very subtle homophobic tendencies.. a lot of the letters of support said that they supported us playing at the high school because we weren't going there to talk about our sexuality, we were going there to talk about the arts. This is very subtle. But to me it was a light bulb. Its like 'oh, its ok for me to be gay if i'm not going to talk about..its ok for me to be gay, if your kid doesn't know that i'm gay but the minute that the the gay - thing becomes an issue, it makes everybody uncomfortable' and I think that's a very important point to remember, because even myself, in defending our going to these high schools, we had a tendency to say we weren't going there to talk about being gay, we were going there to talk about the arts. But what I did realize is that it was implied when we went there that we were gay and that we believed in ourselves as individuals and we were being role models as gay women for these kids and that was ok. You know its ok to be gay...basically and that's what I had to keep telling myself because I think what happened...you know the next week, I live, I live outside of Atlanta in a rather conservative town and I found myself walking around feeling ashamed of being gay and I've been gay all my life. I never really, I've never came out really. I've had an evolution that's been really slow, I've always believed in myself..I've always felt very pro-gay. I've never had a problem with it and this specific incident made me falter...I walked around thinking maybe I should dress differently, maybe these people in this restaurant won't appreciate me being there...you know, imagine what a kid feels like who has no clout, still at home, still under their parents guise, you know. So I think those are some important points for me that came out of Ermo, that I wanted to mention.

And the last thing that I want to talk about is when we played in Columbia, the majority of the protesters outside the venue were not protesting homosexuality, they were protesting abortion. You tell me what that means, I don't know! I'm not going to talk about pro-choice and pro-life, but I do want to make a connection between homophobia and sexism. In my career I used to have a tendency to feel no one was discriminating against us because we were gay, they were discriminating against us because we didn't dress right, we were too mannish, too organic, too bohemian, not feminine enough. Then, I realized that's the same thing...sexism and homophobia. Sexism is when women are supposed to be a certain way and supposed to be in a certain place and men are supposed to be a certain thing. Gender identity. Homophobia...males are threatened by gay women are threatened for two reasons, I think. One, because they are vying for the same positions and they are vying for the same women! I mean, its kinda funny, but it's, I think it's a true thing. But there's nothing to be scared of, that's not reality and that's what the fear is coming from and I think the people that are afraid of gay men...it's a fear of the effeminate side of men and that's sexism as well....I think all of these things are connected in control issues...people, other people, want to control our minds, value systems, and our bodies and you should be in control of your mind, your value system and your body! They bombed the olympics in Atlanta, they bombed a lesbian nightclub, and then they bombed an abortion clinic. That's a control issue, you can feel differently than I feel, but you should control your own environment and I'm going to control my immediate environment! I think this is a great vehicle and I appreciate your attention. I welcome other opinions and I welcome protest. I welcome dialogue because I think we can honestly learn from each other. Mentoring is a two way street. W should be mentoring each other. We should be helping each other learn. There is not one right way of doing everything. There is not one true religion for everybody...we should all have faith in ourselves and who we believe created us and who we believe created this world and we should love each other.

(Introduction to "Go")
I'm gonna play a song...I've been working on this song for a couple of years and then I, actually, I think we were playing at Clemson, there were all these people waiting out in line in the rain, it was after the cancellations that happened, it was super-supportive. So I finished the song because it...I don't know...it made me feel good..

(Q&A session)
(in response to a question about her coming out process) I fell in love with a woman, a girl, in my senior year in high school, we spent a year holding hands, and consummated it later in my freshman year in college..but that year in high school...it was definately...I had a lot of support from a couple of teacher...who understood I was going through something, they weren't gay, they were just my friends, they didn't know exactly what was going on. My mother, at the time told me she heard I was gay, and i didn't even know what it meant, my vocabulary was nothing as far as homosexuality. I didn't know what it meant to be gay and all I knew is that I was in love with somebody and that was a blessing because what it meant was that I had something to hold onto, that I could defend and that sent me on my path and basically my two older sisters are both gay. My parents are very religious and conservative or were conservative and they spent a lot talking to us about how sinful it was and through dialogue and talking about it, they came around to, as far as my father going to church and talking with the minister about how we could be more accepting of gays in the congregation, so it was hard work on my parents part, as well as my older sisters' part. I was just kinda like the person tagging along the whole time, doing my own thing...I just, definitely, didn't have to suffer as much for it...I realize Emily and I decided that we felt differently about whether or not to talk about it. She felt like it was a private issue, I thought we couldn't ask people to be individuals unless we were willing to stand up and she didn't want to reveal details of her personal life. I mean, she would talk about gay rights, she just didn't want to talk about who her girlfriend was. At some point though, about seven, six or seven, years ago, we were in the middle of a college radio press conference on gay issues, and Emily just stood up and answered it.... and that was it...and she said to me outside...'i'm just tired of not talking about it, it's too important not to talk about'. So from that point on, we sort of made it more of an agenda and I think some of it...I think, that time, in my career there was some homophobia in myself...I wanted to be musically unordinary (?) ..I wanted to be rock and alternative oriented and already i was taking the rap for being a folk musician and I didn't want to take the rap for being a gay musician too and that's a mistake on my part, because would say, that it's just much better to do your thing and be strong about it and as soon as that started happening, it was a lot clearer to me too. These were subtle things, I was out with my family and with my peer groups...it was just a matter of how much you talk about it in the press, what you're willing to stand up for and fight for. So coming out for me has been a long, long battle...it hasn't been, it's been easy compared to what most people go through.

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