| Date sent: Thu, 20 Aug 1998
Hi Steve,
I agree that the beginning student should
keep their study of the dial
simple. However, this also depends on the person. SOME ASTROLOGERS
PICK UP
VERY QUICKLY AND UNDERSTAND THE TOTAL PICTURE.
For others Ebertin'sCosmobiology has been so tremendously helpful
in the introduction to uranian astrology.
1) It is a good idea to begin with the
360 degree dial and search for
exact midpoints so that the student will understand the idea
of symmetries
rather than aspects.
2) It is a good idea to step into the 90
degree dial next and research
the midpoints in the same way as was approached in the study
of the 360
degree dial. A very good idea is to begin with the 90 and
45 degree only.
3) It is a good idea to begin only with
the known planets since the
beginner in uranian is usually grounded in a traditional
school of
astrology of some sort.
Learning how to switch one's thinking from aspects over to
symmetries is
not easy for many traditional astrologers because each one
has learned to
give meanings to certain aspects and give meanings to houses
and then they
become lost without rulers and houses and can't quite understand
why
uranian astrology is just using symmetries. Yes, we can call
them aspects
and we know most of us use the hard aspects, but actually
we are using
symmetrical energies.
4) The system of uranian astrology
and the harmonics approach is
remarkably powerful and takes time to learn. The answer to
any question
posed to the horoscope will be found in many degrees.
5) One must remember that the chart is
folded up from 360 degrees to 90
degree and then we can fold it again and again and get 22.30
degrees and
then 11.15 and so forth. But, there are also many harmonics
(dials) that
can be used as well. We might like the 90 degree dial. There
are uranian
astrologers who use the 30 degree dial and 15 degree dial
and swear by it.
How do they read these dials? They
do not consider aspects. They look
at a planet at a degree and study the symmetrical pictures
that influence
that degree on that dial.
IT IS A QUESTION OF PREFERENCE AND IF THE EVIDENCE IS CONVINCING
FOR ONES SELF THEN IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
Actually there is no difference between
small aspects and large
aspects. If a factor is in the same axis its influence contributes
to the
story. The orbs for predictive work should be kept very tight
(nearly
exact). The little dots on the dials show anticions and connections
to the
main axis under study.
Penny
Date sent:
Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:49:30 +0000
Using the 22 1/2 degree
aspects on the 90 degree dial reveals not only
the semi-semi-square, but
also the undocumented 67 1/2, 112 1/2 and
157 1/2 degree aspects.
Additional strange aspects
arise with the use of the 11 1/4
and 5 5/8 degree points
on the 90 degree dial. If you use the 5 5/8
degree point on the dial,
you have 64 hard aspects. Does anyone else
feel uncomfortable using
aspects such as 73 1/8?
Should one use only the
22 1/2, 45, 90, 150 and 180 degree hard
aspects and discard the
undocumented aspects as some dial users do? If
not, what is your
justification for using the undocumented aspects?
How many do or do not use
the undocumented aspects? I will summarize
the responses for this
list.
David Johnson
MY REPLY TO DENISE'S LETTER:
Thu, 20 Aug 1998
Hello Midpointers,
The following is extracted
from Denise's letter. I thought it was
important to highlight
this, as I had my doubts if many of you would
actually read all of the
post between Denise and I.
This deals with the small
aspects, such as 11.25 and 22.5 degrees.
Have a quick read of the
following and I will make a few comments.
But how far apart
are they ? Let us subtract:
25 Sc 34
- 14 Sc 12
------------------
11deg22min
The answer is significant,
as it is part of the hard aspect series.
The series is: 360
degrees (conjunct), 180, 90, 45, 22.5, 11.25
(etc.). [Each time
we divide by 2.]
11.25 degrees (part
of the series) is equal to 11degrees 15 minutes,
which is very close
to our subtracted answer above.
SEE, THAT'S WHY...I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE
11.25, WE (MY CLASS)
STOPS AT THE 22.5 AND EVEN AT THAT MY
TEACHER CALLS THIS A
MINOR ASPECT. HOWEVER, I SEE NOW.
OK, here are my comments:
When beginning midpoint work, it is
probably a good idea to
stop at the 45 degree aspects. As I have said
many times before on both
email lists, the noted astrologers Harding
and Harvey in the UK only
go down to 45 degrees (in general, in their
book "Working With Astrology").
Are the smaller aspects
worth bothering about ? [ 22.5, 11.25, etc. ]
The Hamburg School is universally
recognised as having the expert
knowledge in Uranian astrology,
and they do in fact use the smaller
aspects. But they
are highly skilled experts, and use techniques that
have rarely even been discussed
in our Uranian list.
This does not mean that
the smaller aspects are worthless, of course.
Here is my suggestion:
ignore the smaller aspects for now...
... unless you notice a
VERY CLOSE orb to a 22.5 or 11.25 aspect, and
the energies involved are
one of the personal points
(eg. Sun, Asc, etc.).
By "very close" I mean less than 10 minutes
for the 22.5 and 5 minutes
for the 11.25 aspect.
Sometimes you will see
an EXACT or ZERO ORB (zero degrees and zero
minutes). If it is
something like MC = Hades, at an aspect of 22.5
degrees, you can bet that
it should not be overlooked ! If this is
your natal aspect, you
may want to book an air ticket to Hamburg,
Germany ! If it is
in someone else's chart, get them to join our two
email lists !
I have heard of some outstanding
successes from the Hamburg
astrologers who use the
smaller aspects. But they are experts.
I am not in their league,
and probably only 2 or 3 in the Uranian list
can handle such highly
skilled techniques.
Hope this clarifies the
matter.
Kind Regards,
Steve
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