Hi Steve,
On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, "The Uranian Group" <juno@winz.co.nz> wrote:
>Two brief questions:
>Did you use a 45 degree dial / modulus, or 90 degree or ?
I used the 8th harmonic chart which is similar to the 45* dial.
>For transits and solar arcs, what orbs did you use ?
Very tight orbs. I'll try to track them back and recalculate some:
First Mission. Some of the Transits to natal midpoints:
Me(t)= CU/ZE - travel for military organiztion? Foundation
of travel
corporation? (orb = 0.5' "half a minute")
Ma(t)=MA/UR = Energetic act. (orb= 1.75')
=Mo/ZE working toward a goal. (orb = 2.13')
SU(t) = MO/MA an active man (orb = 13')
= UR/PL The leaping man? Physical development which commences
suddely? Launch? Lift off? (orb = 1.9')
Date sent: Thu, 06 Aug
1998 23:03:42 +1200
Subject:
dials and orbs
>Dechen,
>Regarding the following, from your letter:
> First I did a cosmogram which shows the radix chart on the
inner
>wheel 360d, then selected an 11 15 dial which places next
the
>Could you please explain why you chose the 11 15 dial ? Does
the
>Hamburg School suggest that this is most accurate for physical
>manifestations (e.g.. a car accident) ?
>Also, what is meant by a 'cosmogram' ? Is it different to
Uranian
>dials ?
>I do know that a significant number of members on this list would
>benefit from these explanations. I also would like to share your
>answers with the Midpoints 101 group. Thanks.
>Steve
Dear Steve and fellow Uranians,
First I am not an authority on the Hamburg School (or any school)
so
can only speak from my understandings of what I have read.
In Uranian Astrology one looks at relationships between planets
situated around hard angles of the dial ... folds of
the wheel. The
strongest contacts are the direct ones, that is the conjunctions
and
oppositions, then squares, midpoint trees, sensitive points
to these
positions. But if one just looked at these points one would
miss a lot of
indirect information which is why astrologers, Uranian and Cosmobiologists
look at smaller dials of the wheel.
For instance the most common (I assume) dial used by Uranians and
Cosmobiologists is the 90° dial which is 2 folds of the circle
or
360°/4. This division of the circle show all planets with
0°, 180°,
and 90° distances in the given position of the dial in
either
cardinal, fixed or mutable signs. Any planet that has a 45°
distance to
this point shows up in the opposite position of the dial,
22°30' on the
square point and 11°15' on the semi square point, thus
all the planets at
hard angles to can easily be seen by scanning around the dial,
also
indirect midpoint trees become apparent.
Similarly as more folds are made, i.e. 360°/8 (45°), /16°
(22°30'),
/32 (11°15'), finer and finer relationships become apparent.
However one
must remain aware that as the degrees on the dial decrease,
the strength
of the contact becomes weaker therefore a tighter orb is necessary
when
considering the influence. Something else to keep in mind
when looking at
the smaller dials is that that strong direct may be missed where
minor
relationships may appear more important.
IMHO one should always look at the natal chart first and consider
the
placement of planets within the houses and the movement of directed,
transiting planets through the houses. Then usually I would look
at the
90° dial.
With Janus this is super easy, one just selects the Cosmogram
option
where one can select any of the dials listed above and see in the
middle,
the natal planets around 360° dial, then moving outwards the
natal
planets, the directed plants, then the transits on the dial of choice.
For me it has never been so easy to cross check and consider the
complex
relationships between planets around axes. (Cosmogram .. a term
coined to
cover this dial .... Hamish is a Cosmobiologist
primarily????)
>Could you please explain why you chose the 11 15 dial ? Does
the
>Hamburg School suggest that this is most accurate for physical
>manifestations (e.g.. a car accident) ?
I do not know what the Uranian School would recommend investigating
physical manifestations. Bearing in mind the preceding discussion
personally I would not use the dial unless very accurate timing
both
of event and natal chart were certain. I would not use the
dial for
predictive work, rather for investigation of historic events,
for
in-depth analysis. Others may have different opinions.
Scott wrote
last year using a small dial to analyze Tiger Wood's chart.
Scott
would be better qualified to comment.
The event described in an 'Angel on my Shoulder' where I investigated
the
11°15' using Janus was what I would call a minor event. Dramatic
at the
moment, but with no lasting effect on the course a lifetime,
or even a
day. Therefore, one would not expect to find the
event marked by any
major transits or directions however if the theory is correct for
a
situation to manifest the personal points must be involved so a
finer
analysis was used. I am reasonably certain of the birth and event
times.
Interestingly enough in the legacy of that moment I now look up the
Book of Rules and find among other interpretations:
mc t the I, the moment
=ze/po d the formal proof, the evidence,
(=mc to know ways and means of getting out)
=as/mo r to be brought into public by others
Small wonder one is compelled to investigate the moment and share
the
results.
Orbs .... Steve I do not know what are the
rule of thumb orbs for use
with different dials. Are you considering natal or life events?
When
confronted with long trees using the traditionally accepted orbs
to make
sense of the situation and weed out irrelevant information it becomes
necessary to tighten the orb, especially when looking at past
events.
Tuomo mentioned max. orb he used was 10'. Having said
that I am finding
that with major life events, the apparent discrepancy of a few minutes
in
orb to make an exact contact with a planet or midpoint may be explained
by
midpoints, sensitive or personal points close to the obvious point.
Dechen :))
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