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To: press@google.com
From: Tony Gosling <tony@gaia.org>
Subject: Before I run this story
14th April 2002
Hi there,
Before I run a story on the way Google has 'disappeared' my website from its listings I thought I'd give you a chance to respond with your reasons for doing so.
I assume it's due to the acceptance by Google of US military access to its premesis and servers and my critical appraisal of the 'war on terrorism'.
Tony Gosling
www.bilderberg.org
telephone +44 117 944 6219
At 21:24 14/04/02 -0700, <david@google.com> wrote:
Hi Tony...my apologies for the inconvenience. Is the site that you refer to below, www.bilderberg.org?
From what you can tell, when was it dropped from our index?
I'll look into this as soon as I receive your reply.
Many thanks-
David :-)
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David Krane
Director, Corporate Communications
<< Google >>
+1.650.930.3596
david@google.com
From: "Tony Gosling" <tony@gaia.org>
To: "David Krane" <david@google.com>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Before I run this story
David,
www.bilderberg.org it is.
Sometime in the last week I believe.
'Til then it was top ranking.
Thanks
Tony
At 12:30 15/04/02 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Tony...thanks for the additional info. Our engineering team tells me that our web crawler had trouble reaching your server the last time we crawled the web and built our latest index. We have since crawled the web again and did not encounter any difficulties reaching your site. Web pages from www.bilderberg.org will return to Google soon (when we post our next index, which happens every 28 days).
Thanks for your patience!
David :-)
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David Krane
Director, Corporate Communications
<< Google >>
+1.650.930.3596
david@google.com
From: "Tony Gosling" <tony@gaia.org>
To: "David Krane" <david@google.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:54 AM
Subject: Resend: Before I run this story
David,
Please reply.
With respect - Google caches pages - if a site is down for a few hours (I am not aware mine was) it won't disappear off the index.
As a professional journalist with serious concerns about the UK and US governments attempt to justify massive ramping up of military spending I can understand pressure may be brought to bear on Google.
A lot can happen in 28 days - please instruct your technical dept. to restore the listings immediately.
many thanks,
Tony
+44 117 944 6219
David Krane replies again
At 11:14 19/04/02 -0700, <david@google.com> wrote:
Hi Tony, yes, our records show that your site was unreachable when we recently crawled the web. We have since revisited your site and have indexed a number of pages. These pages will appear in Google search results the next time we post a new index (approx. 2-3 weeks from now).
My reply to the above
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 20:27 PM
To: "David Krane" <david@google.com>
From: Tony Gosling <tony@gaia.org>
Subject: Content distortion in the Google index
This makes me very nervous for public confidence in your service since I know there is pressure on a lot of people (including govt employees here in the UK) not to allow the public to access information about the occult - which I have begun to mention on my front page in connection to the assassination of John F Kennedy in 1963.
Can I have your assurance that:
1. This is not your policy and
2. that you are under no pressure from your management, government and/or military over what sites you index and how.
an answer to either or both would be appreciated
cheers,
Tony
The day after I sent the above email the www.bilderberg.org listing was restored to Google's index. Seems like these were questions that either pricked David's concience or they touched on subjects he didn't want to answer.
This morning I recieved a personal legal threat relating to the bilderberg.org website. It is from Swedish lawyers Danowsky and Partners and demands I remove a translated article from their Newspaper printed on May 13th 2001.
The article is currently at http://www.bilderberg.org/2001.htm#daily
There was a successful attempt last year to close the previous version of the website when an anonymous Freemason wrote to Demon internet about the
http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm
page accusing me of "inciting hatred of an innoccuous society". Demon instantly closed the site.
Here is the text of the letter from Stockholm with my comments, followed by the article they want me to remove. I welcome suggestions about what to do.
Tony
Danowsky and Partners
Advokatbyra [advocates]
Hovslagartan 5
Box 16097, S-103 22 Stockholm
Telephone +46 8-614 64 00
Telefax +46 8-678 09 25
Email: lawfirm@danowsky.se
Stockholm 29-6-2001
Mr Tony Gosling
5 Warden Road
Bedminster
Bristol
BS3 1BU
ENGLAND
Re: The website with the address www.bilderberg.org
Dear Mr Gosling,
I am writing to you on behalf of Peter Bratt and AB Dagens Nyhetter ("DN"), owner and publisher of Dagens Nyheter, the largest daily morning newspaper in Sweden [swoon]. According to information found on the website www.bilderberg.org you are the contact person regarding material presented on the website.
On the website www.bilderberg.org is reproduced an article, translated into English, which [is one of the best ever press pieces on Bilderberg and...] is the property of DN. The article is written by Peter Bratt and has been published in the newspaper Dagens Nyheter on May 13th 2001. DN has not given its consent to any use of this article on the website.
The reproduction of the article on the website is an infringement on the copyright of Peter Bratt and DN. [even though the source is credited and linked to and is being used on a not-for profit site]
Peter Bratt and DN now require that the article in question be removed from the website. DN expects a confirmation in writing no later than July 30, 2001 that the article has been removed and will not be used on the website again.
Yours sincerely,
Ulf Isaksson
Danowsky and Partners
They are trying to remove the English translation of the article from my site. My guess is that there is a fear about the article being translated into English by which means many more people will be able to understand it.
Thanks again to the kind Swede who translated it for us all.
The article in question, SECRET MEETINGS FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS, is to be found at:
http://www.bilderberg.org/2001.htm#daily
Tony
Demon internet closed the site http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk This is a site I put up on some spare free web-pages beginning in 1996 and was the main outlet for my writing and research for about 2 years.
I was notified, by someone who had been following my research, that the site was not working - Demon say they sent an email notifying the site owner of the closure but it was a defunct address they used, they didn't bother to use my email address on the site.
I finally managed to get hold of Demon's legal spin-doctor Mark Gracey - based at Let It Be Thus http://www.let-it-be-thus.com lawyers in Edinburgh - who had previously been 'unavailable' and 'away' to explain the problem on the phone. Demon Internet is now owned by 'Thus', Scottish Telecom. Gracey told me Demon had received an email - but he would not tell me who sent it nor who had instigated the action.
So why did Demon pull the site? Here, in full, is the supposedly damning section of an email received by Demon that was their 'justification' for shutting the entire site:
"I have just been reading the site http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/masons.htm and I believe that it is quite possible that it may contain one or more defamatory statements.It certainly contains material inaccuracies, such as the obligation to be given by a candidate to Masonry on becoming an Entered Apprentice which is most emphatically *not* as described on that page.
Does a site which one might think appears to have been designed to incite disquiet or hatred of an innocuous society conform with the Demon AUP?"
There is nothing to show a Demon site has been shut down for legal or illegal
reasons. All you get is a standard error message. This is a 'crafty' way
of making the deliberate closure of a site appear to be an error instead.
It fails to alert whoever's trying to use the site that it has been censored.
How about a clear message eg. 'NO ERROR - LEGAL CLOSURE, PAGE WITHELD'
site finally restored
Case Analysis of Laurence Godfrey v. Demon Internet Limited By Yaman Akdeniz, Published in (1999) Journal of Civil Liberties, 4(2), 260-267 (July). CyberLaw Research Unit, Faculty of Law, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT. E-mail: lawya@leeds.ac.uk http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports/demon.htm
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=32935&group=webcast
by Kemal 1:02am Tue Jun 4 '02
kemal_jebril@hotmail.com
Long time far right apologist Tony Gosling is at it again. Lovers all over the world of his fascinating site www.bilderberg.org yes – the one that thinks David Irving is a good guy - may be interested to see that he is currently endorsing the nefarious but amusingly entitled “ American Free Press” http://www.americanfreepress.net
Gosling keeps getting himself into trouble for his blasé attitude towards bigots and rascists alike and seems to have no ethical problem flirting with the fascists. Follow this link for more examples/background and criticism - http://www.bilderberg.org/jewish.htm
For those of you who have never heard of them they are the editorial team behind that well known fascist publication “The Spotlight” – mouth piece for the American extreme right. Amongst being anti-semetic gun nuts they also advocate racial separation - but all done in the best possible taste. This new brand of friendly fascism is admired by Nick Griffin and his neo-fascist spindoctors at the BNP. The AFP are at the polite end of fascism but have no doubt in there motives.
In one of their recent editorials they reviewed a conference of the Far right (which funnily enough included Nick Griffin) and criticised it for their heavy handed use of racist rhetoric…I think you can get the general tone of where these pigs are coming from
“I think black-bashing and Muslim-bashing is a counterproductive waste of time that offers little to white working people, or any working people, as it is clear that blacks in America do not have any independent political organizations that represent black interests [Except the Nation of Islam—Ed.] and that Muslims play a negligible role in American popular consciousness.
I think it would be much more productive to reach out to black workers with the promises of liberty and economic independence that appeal to white workers, with the prospects of them building real autonomous communities that they control, than it is to bash them as low-IQ criminals who can never be assimilated (rather than recognizing that low-IQs, criminality and the like are the results of living immersed in the particular culture of hatred, fear and ignorance which is manufactured by the owners of the mass media for consumption by blacks).” (http://www.americanfreepress.net/Editorial/Ed_Issue_10_3/ed_issue_10_3.html)
The AFP are financially backed and supporters of the America First Party – they’re founding principles are somewhat dodgy to say the least. Youre all American nightmare of fundamental Christianity mixed with guns, the ‘jewish conspiracy’ and a loathing of foreigners… Bush appears a mere limp wristed liberal when compared to these fascists.
So is it okay to sit back and casually associate yourself with such people? The BBC have been reporting widely how the far right in the UK are trying to legitamise themselves by adopting less contentious language and steering away from the “bootboy” image. It seems that they are learning fast from their friends across the pond. And considering the disturbing rise of fascism and xenophobia that is sweeping across Europe it is important to be aware of who the far right is courting.
Activists and campaign groups should be aware that Gosling has been watched by our group for some time now. His association with environmental groups is worrying as most seem unaware of his far right leanings…and as for his current postion in the National Union of Jouralists ? well that makes a joke of the NUJ.
http://www.ekran.no/html/nazismexposed/
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=32935&group=webcast
by Name and Shame the Enemy! 12:06pm Tue Jan 22 '02
Tackling individuals and institutions/organisations who are trying their utmost to destroy the potential for revolutionary overthrow of the entire ediface of the State and Capital. Those enemies of change in particular who are masquerading as 'radical' must be faced up to and challenged.
Tony Gosling the Oxbridge Graduate, Conspiracy Therorist, with links to far right groups on his web site, is no bumbling, eccentric fool. Tony Gosling, acquaintance of the ruling class George Monbiot (defender of the Strong State and Small Business- a la Mussolini) is attempting to replicate his old oxford chum's dubious notoriety.
Gosling has received money from the Daily Mail Group, which controls the majority of media in Britain, to do a research/info slot for the Bristol Radio station GWR. Gosling was given the money to recruit 'activists' to cover activity that would br detrimental to these same powerful interests!
Gosling writes articles about the 'secret state' and other 'secretive bodies' like the Mason's but refuses point blank (like his fellow liberal toffs) to questionthis society. Anyone who actually questions the fundementals or takes direct action against the very open State and Capitalist interests, he goes out of his way to condemn or branch into his 'agents of the secret state' nonsense.
The tendency when dealing with people like Tony Gosling is to dismiss them as harmless nutters. This misses the point and allows these liberal professional confusers to spread misinformation, create paranoia and undermine any radical questioning. These people are as old as the state. There role has always been to undermine revolutionaries and revolution itself.
Tony' latest job is to work as PR for the Police. He is part of a band of liberal/ accountable State guilt trippers who visit Police Stations in order to check that the cops are abiding Central Government regulation's. No questioning of the existence of the oppressive State apparatus, no objection to the thousands of people cramming the prison's. This ties in nicely though with his enthusiastic support for the so-called 'ex'- MI6 agent Shayler, who according to Tony 'just wanted to fight the real terrorists and was let down by his colleagues'. Good old Shayler just wants to 'democratise' the forces of the State.
So who is he? This man who works diligently to focus attention on liberal single issues while trying to disguise them as 'radical', a man whose main interest appears to be a constant justification of the existing State Capitalist apparatus by pointing out ridiculous Bilderburg type meetings, while attacking anyone who attempts to ignore his inherently reactionary ideas. The man and the politics of reaction* that he represents should be given short shrift. By ignoring him and his ilk he will not go away, he must be challenged and faced down and the sooner the better!
*What's wrong with society according to their analysis is that the State is not Strong enough, we need more regulation. Small businesses should be supported for the National Economy as against foreign business (usually American) there is an international conspiracy of the multi-national's (Jewish Conspiracy?). We must protect the State which is Captive to these interests (Monbiot) and the 'rabble' (read: majority of people/ the working class/ ordinary people) must be kept in line they are undermining our efforts to protect the system by pointless protests and stupid conspiricies. Revolutionaries on the Streets of London and Prague etc are "ignorant of the issues" and are "inhuman thugs" (John Vidal).
In case you're wondering - this tirade is almost certainly from London 'Class War' who I've been in communication with recently over Shayler's allegations that they were infiltrated by a Met. police officer.
see http://www.bilderberg.org/sis.htm#skullandcrossbones
Apart from the general trot style drivel -
Factual Inaccuracies.
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1. I'm not an Oxford graduate
2. I publish FACTS on Bilderberg I'm not a conspiracy theorist
3. I have never worked for any part of the Daily Mail Group (but I did write an article on their takeover of Bristol's media and their links to the Nazis)
4. Recruit Activists? Who? Who for?
5. I question this society across every square inch of my website.
6. An ex BBC researcher and reporter I have been involved with organising nonviolent direct action myself for the last 10 years and support it's careful use.
7. I am not a "liberal professional confuser" I am doing my best to untangle the confusion in the world. Particularly when it comes tosecret state's interference in political pressure groups. Definately not a 'liberal'.
8. I have never spread misinformation - give me an example.
9. Custody Visitors are unpaid and there to pull up the police when conditions in cells slip below reasonable standards/people aren't getting their rights. They (we) were set up by lord Scarman after the Brixton Riots as an independent check on the police. We are the very opposite to police PR.
10. I met Shayler personally and am convinced he is genuine.
11. I have attacked no-one who?
12. I think the state is far too powerful and believe in much more local autonomy. Wrong again.
13. The rabble - far from being kept in line - are part of the solution which can only come from the bottom up. Wrong again.
In case you get up to speed......
Do you want to try again?
by timothy taylor 12:16am Sat Jan 26 '02
t_taylor@dxy.co.uk
Know your enemy
Lets get a few things straight here. The criticism of “The Bristolian” came from the mouth of one cunt, and one cunt only…Mr Tony Gosling, Editor (?) of the all seeing eye and collater of Bilderberg.org – that site loved so dearly by facists worldwide.
Many folk in da movement are convinced that Mr cuntface Gosling is a stooge of the state. His favourite tactic seems to be shitstiring and funnily enough here we find him at it again.
Don’t take my word for it…check it out
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=20785&group=webcast
and that’s just the abuse he got for this week. The guys a joke…his reporting is riddled with factual inaccuracies and inherent right wing Christian paranoia. He trades on other peoples work, in a similar fashion to a leech. He has been thrown out of many groups for his a) bone idleness b) rampant dishonesty. For fucks sake this is a man who defends arseholes such as David Irving and David Icke. You see cuntface goslings problem is that he hasn’t got the talent of the geezers at the Bristolian. Hes a charlatan that needs to be exposed.
Be warned. Give him a wide berth or a smack in the teeth. The choice is yours.
Can I make it clear that the thread "The Class War/MI5 Files" seemingly posted by Class War at 7.25pm on Monday 14 Jan 2002 was not posted by a Class War member, or even a supporter. As becomes clear when you read the text it was posted by Tony Gosling.
To simplify this argument Goslings basic position appears to be that Class War was propped up by the security services and that when this person was pulled out, the organisation collapsed. He knows this because David Shayler told him.
The facts are that Special Branch had an agent in Class War in 1992 - Andy Bryant. We have had this independently confirmed by a barrister. Andy Bryant was treasurer of the London Class War group (he had no national post, and therefore no access to any members addresses) When it was realised Andy was not doing a very good job as Treasurer he did a bunk - it was then discovered he had nicked a small amount of the London groups dosh.
All this was in 1992 - a full 5 years before Class War split in 1997. Therefore Shayler cannot even manage to fit his tales about Class War within a time scale that matches events. The whole story is hardly news - we covered it in Class War 79, in Spring 2000. Had Tony Gosling bothered to check before acting as Shayler's errand boy, we would have told him the facts.
Class War maintains a regular paper, website and activities - we look forward to taking part in this years anti-Jubilee demo's. See you there.
Like all activists we could do without having to piss around answering bollocks like this. I notice Gosling ends his peice saying he would like more information from MI5 officers, providing it does not jepardise national security(!!!!!)
Given this, perhaps IndyMedia and radical groups should be on guard for further smears and under-researched articles from the seriously under-employed Mr Gosling.
Received by email 01Apr01 (my birthday)
Dear Tony,
As I'm sure you'll recall, when we sat together on that Green Party conference panel in Leicester last November, I cautioned the audience -- and you -- about the dangers of becoming anti-Semitic when one adopts a conspiracy theory of the world. If I remember correctly, you agreed with me. You are concerned about the Bilderberg group, the Masons, and so on, but you made a point of assuring everyone that you are not anti-Semitic.
Imagine my surprise at discovering that among the "Good Links" on your website is a link to the most famous of all anti-Semitic forgeries, the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". And if this were not enough, your description of the link -- in your own words -- is that this document is "interesting" and "fascinating" and you indicate your own suspicion that it might be evidence of "a Zionist conspiracy" rather than merely "anti-Jewish propaganda".
Though I have not had time to go through all the other links on your page, I understand that several point to the works of well-known Holocaust deniers and other anti-Semites. (Your link to David Irving's site is, fortunately, no longer working.)
It is absolutely unacceptable to us that LabourStart news headlines appear on such a site. I believe that you mislead me -- and others -- when you attempted to distinguish your own conspiracy view of the world from that of the extreme right. Frankly, Tony, it appears that you identify very much with anti-Jewish, extreme Right elements which are correctly perceived by leftists as our enemies.
I have deleted your link from the Labour NewsWire Global Network page and insist that you remove the line of code which provides a Labour NewsWire feed to your page -- immediately.
I am sharing this message with our colleagues in Leicester who invited you and me to that conference. I am happy to see that, at least, they do not link to your website from their own.
Eric Lee
Information and Communications Technology Co-ordinator Labour and Society
International
Web: http://www.labourstart.org
PGP: Public key - see http://www.labourstart.org/pgp.shtml Phone: +44 20
83491975, +44 20 83461953 Mobile: +44 77 19420815
Fax: UK - 0870 4022588; Elsewhere - +1 815 550 6904 ICQ: 49624912
Postal address: 51 Briarfield Avenue, London N3 2LG, U.K.
Eric
I make a disclaimer at the top of the page which could not be clearer - that a few 'right-wing' sites are included for the unique information they provide.
Tony
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion contains no "unique information", as you well know. It is the most famous anti-Semitic forgery in the world and the only people promoting it these days are Nazis. You have still not removed the LabourStart news headlines from your page -- this is outrageous. I insist that you remove these immediately. We have no interest in being associated with you or your website.
Eric,
What you say is not quite accurate - Personally I believe the protocols are fakes - not 'forgeries' as you say as that implies they are based on a genuine original document... but your demonisation of me for linking to them shows you want to drive that discussion underground.
And the fact that people like Ivan Frazer, who has just done a study on the protocols, are slandered by some as Nazis does not mean they are Nazis. And cheapens the debate.
The idea that because I have linked to a site I must agree with the site owner is clearly nonsense. I have a link to labourstart but I clearly don't agree with you on everything!
The protocol debate, I maintain, is interesting - why are you so easily offended by this word??
You have totally ignored my warning at the top of the page, why?
You can call me a Nazi too if it makes you feel better. All I can say it is you who are attempting to stamp on free and open discussion.
best wishes,
Tony
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