isn't the supposed removal of  who we think we  are just more of the accretion?

isn't the removal of  who we think we  are just more of the accretion?

happiness

is

not

complete

unhappiness

is

not

complete

happiness

and

unhappiness

is

not

complete !

and

so

on !

:

o

)

happiness

is

not

complete

unhappiness

is

not

complete

happiness

and

unhappiness

is

not

complete !

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if zen's so right why did the japanese lose ww2?

shoes: things god gave women to say sorry for creating men. (ed. on a card !)

shoos, things god gave to men and women to be free of each other !

Eileen and myself went to strahan on macquarie harbour for the weekend and went on a day cruise (big catamaran) on the harbour and up the gordon  river  and out to hell’s gate which is the narrow  entrance  at the  heads  and we even toddled out into the open sea for a short way as there wasn’t much swell or wind (unusual  apparently )

how things have changed, the captain was a new zealander and was on a combination of autopilot and computer game like steering and spent most of his time talking to passengers or making a monologue over the boat intercom system, no other seamen (stewardess’s handling the mooring ropes) and it’s a big boat !

great weather, well worthwhile !

i

had

a

vision

of

the

sixth

patriarch

as

an

imp

or

a

sprite

on

the

tip

of

a

cone

shaped

rainforest

tree

just

north

of

tullah

beneath

some

cliffs !

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yesterday

out

on

the

mouth

of

king

river

we

went

into

a

different

space

more

infinity

i

think

the

truth

of

infinity

is

we

are

essentially

alone

ed.  macquarie harbour,  tasmania

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holidays

there's

some

essential

loneliness

it

underlies

r2

holidays

there's

some

essential

loneliness

it

underlies !

r2

holidays

there's

some

essential

loneliness

it

underlies

r1

what

amazes

me

is

you

can

be

very

experienced

in

something

then

something

happens

and

you

realise

you

totally

misunderstood

it

or

never

understood

it

in

the

first

place !

what

amazes

me

is

you

can

be

very

experienced

in

something

then

something

happens

and

you

realise

you

totally

misunderstood

it

or

never

understood

it  .

“ if

you

kill

me

you

disappear ”

“ if

we

kill

you

we

are

still

here ”

prove

it

to

me !

you

think

you

understand

something

when

you

look

at

it

but

you

don't

really

understanduntil

you

take

part

and

even

then

it

takes

quite

a

while !

and

do

you

ever

understand ?

you

think

you

understand

something

when

you

look

at

it

but

you

don't

really

understand

until

you

take

part

and

even

then

it

takes

quite

a

while !

and

do

you

ever

understand ?

yeah i think it's hard to see that they are so rejecting of what infinity actually is

(ed. batgap)

there's just nothing that can be done

yeah and actually take my writings and use themselves in their limited way

i think i have done the same damage on buddha at the gas pump as on the hard core zen blog, just created a more sophisticated level of bullshit so the teachers don't look so good or real !

i think my batgap/buddha at the gas pump escapade was like the crusades, not sustainable and the sooner one has got out the better !

the point of a holiday is to be relaxed

:

o

)

(

the point of a holiday is to be relaxed

:

o

)

it's

like

don

quixote

it's

not

as

though

we

stop

tilting

at

windmills

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since life is estranged from infinity, it's always a poisoned chalice

it's always a cross roads, all the time that's what it is !

how can it be fair, i'm a male !

i don't think either of us wants to be alive, against that sort of background, how can things be even slightly right !

the

premise

is

life

and

people

are

insane

there

is

no

solution

how

can

things

be

resolved  !

the

premise

is

life

and

people

are

insane

there

is

no

solution

how

can

things

be

resolved !

in the end i am very sane

ultimately straight sane

it has taken me a while to realise how mad advaita is

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why do i keep trying to save people, it's a disease !

i'm always giving last priority to my own time and needs,

  i'm sick    !

why do i keep trying to save people, it's a disease !

i'm always giving last priority to my own time and needs,

I'M SICK !

why do i keep trying to save people?  it's a disease !

i'm always giving last priority to my own time and needs,

I'M SICK !

why do i keep trying to save people?  it's a disease !

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each

woman

takes

responsibility

for

the

breeding

of

the

species

on

her

shoulders

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batgap, the men are women and women are men !

see, it's not just a boring old world, infinity is under every footstep, once you learn to look !

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it's not just a boring old world, infinity is under every footstep, once you learn to look !

see, if you are touch with infinity, you can ask and it will give you something to say !

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infinity is not about closed horizons!

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it's all a bit of a game isn't it, there's the standard clichéd bullshit and everybody repeats it and attempts to crush out criticism or originality and it continues, purlblind, stupid and a trap for suckers !

infinity has a huge creative energy , if you are touch, you are going to reflect it, if you are not you won't !

 regurgitating clichés just does not cut it !

that creative energy will power you into exciting and new territory

so let's see it !

infinity has a huge creative energy , if you are touch, you are going to reflect it, if you are not you won't !

regurgitating clichés just does not cut it !

that creative energy will power you into exciting and new territory

so let's see it !

advaita is about revelatory experiences

lisa cairns is limited , but has something authentic, but that doesn't not make her an autistic spectrum monster

she she sells herself so to speak

maybe

she's

not

so

limited ? !

i think i will say i've had several revelatory experiences, once of which changed my life, not quite sure which one though : o )

i will say i've had several revelatory experiences, once of which changed my life, not quite sure which one though : o )

infinity is true

truth is

false

emptiness

is

lacking

and

this

is

wrong !

infinity is true

truth is

false

emptiness

is

lacking

and

this

is

wrong !

i quite like my infinity reply, it’s a cadence of graduated senses and quite good, inspired even  : o )

the sense is there if you look for it !

it's an additional reply to what follows in the homily below !

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iamspew writes:

@Andrew

Infinity, Truth, Emptiness, This…take your pick.

Pure semantics, the playground of the pseudo-intellectual.

my reply

infinity !

to you of course they are meaningless not a teacher are you?

that's really what the revelatory experience is about which obviously you are a stranger to !

in the end it's only your own certainty that matters

you're not because you need the words to be what you think they should !

i

am

not

a

   teacher !

iamspew writes:

@Andrew

Infinity, Truth, Emptiness, This…take your pick.

Pure semantics, the playground of the pseudo-intellectual.

my reply

infinity !

to you of course they are meaningless not a teacher are you?

that's really what the revelatory experience is about which obviously you are a stranger to !

in the end it's only your own certainty that matters

you're not because you need the words to be what you think they should !

i

am

not

a

teacher !

i

am

always

learning

twits

can

teach

better

than

wise

men

and

take

you

to

the

cleaners

as

well !

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i

am

always

learning

twits

can

teach

better

than

wise

men

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hmm, i really think a new set of clichés is needed for advaita

can i suggest “not here but there?”

how about “i am a swimsuit”?!

seems to lack grandeur somehow !

AH !

“ i am the meaning that is not meaning! ”

  worth a decade of teacher bullshit ?

well actually neumenon is an objectivization of phenomena

i don't know what insomina is an objectivization of tho  : o )

truth itself is abit boring compared to infinity which encompasses truth and falsehood !

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truth itself is abit boring compared to infinity which encompasses both truth and falsehood !

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what you are is dogs on leashes to women !

deconstructing voynich

just

say

the

  opposite and see if it makes sense !

wank vaita

that's

what

i

reckon

it

is   :  o  )

men can i put it crudely ?

your life goes into your wife's/girlfriend's/partners/lovers vaginas ?

and

they

would

say

so

it

should !

karen richards, i think you have a huge issue with criticism, you seem to delete comments that are realistic where the opportunity occurs on the web for them and you have the ability to do so!

still being semi-young and pretty is only going to carry you so far, or is that even backwards ?

when the wrinkles come and men distain you what then?

imo the most damaging things were the diet and meds which have probably put you in the situation you are  today !  :  o  (

(ed. some degree of psychiatric institutionalization as child)

you have been crucified just about worse than any other autistic spectrum i know of !

i spent years in boarding school and i agree, the institutional experience does anesthetize you somehow !

i am really sorry you can't handle my posts and perhaps may have even set this to be automatically removed so you won't read it !

but will lisa be impressed, all these males fighting over her?

(ed. the batgap comments in her interview section !)

imo she's a bit plain and a nightmare !

and in india  prattling  about dying

in actual fact i find with all this spiritual stuff the dynamics are simply sexual (ersatz reproductive) and we have the travesty of strongly celibate traditions being shoe-horned into modern western post contraceptive sexual reality !

dylan thomas had it  right !

i wonder if this krishna  chanting   is like zazen/seated mediation and other meditations, it anethezies the brain directly at the neural level which makes people zombies to their own lives?

and

LOL

blog

comments/message boards : o )

i liked her farsi readings, sorta  hypnotic one feels a sympathy for her , some hardship she undergoes just to live?

i do have a page on  sleep  since i would infer from your posting times that some of you don't sleep that well, these sorts of problems are of course par for the course in this game !

one ain't interested in infinity because finity is adequate !

what i like about anatol's posts is i look for the con and sexual sleaze and sure enough he hits it again with krishna  das

if you look at the video he really hard sells his guru (maharaj-ji - also of ram dass fame) as some god on earth but what is the reality ? another dirty old  man  !   about 4/10th the way down !

it's just a sleazy promiscious scene, what's there for the gurus is there for the disciples !

at least he has avoided paedophiles this time, hopefully !

thanx anatol, you have been a real education about all this saccharine guru stuff, helping me see thats it's all a front for sleaze or even outright illegal perversion !

ingrid writes:

words just passing through an open door not landing anywhere. save your breath ..

my reply

words in synchronicity with infinities justice, spent usefully !

: o )

words in synchroncity with infinities justice, spent usefully !

jian sword dance, i love ug krishnamurti in the chair with sunglasses ;o m)

how like life, the female has the big weapon !

how like human, both the weapons are fake !

@ snowflake you write

“Think I’m going to watch a film, for a light change of pace.”

yeah see that's the difference between doing this for real and being a .....well you do that so well already !

if you are serious there is no room for that sort of distortion, entertainment like that is for the pretends !

there is no change of pace, it's just unremittingly heavy and that's what it takes, i think you are beginning to see the difference

of course this is just the comments section on the batgap blog !

  he of the bleeding eyeballs !

you might find this talk by mark pagel interesting

his argument is we are evolutionarily designed to copy rather than innovate which is advaita all over, second rate minds putting on the verbal cloak of  “THAT” bullshit, never noticing it's foul smell and empty meaninglessness !

people can't think, they are only designed to copy and don't notice the difference between real and fraud because so much of what we do is fraud and to be real is to start to invalidate ourselves?

cat got your tongue anatol when i start to talk about paedophilia and hindu? when i see people push the sentimental bullshit like you do, i know there is some agenda behind it !

what is really going on in the amma scene, i don't get the right vibe from it !

a little thought experiment for everyone, or at least those who appear to be glamorized by lisa cairns, imagine her being a menopausual woman ! would she even rate a mention ? LOLOLOLOL

where are the teachers replying to the criticism  here  , the real understanders of old didn't hide or be so busy with their lives nothing seems to penetrate, but like all the zen flakes they pretend this criticism is not happening !

you

are

losing

something

if

you

know

two

languages !

power

of

expression

for

one

thing

and

an

unsnarled

brain

for

another !

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you

are

losing

something

if

you

know

two

languages !

power

of

expression

for

one

thing

and

an

snarled

brain

for

another !

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“ There are not things which are true on one “level” and untrue on some other. ”

you are assuming the absolute subsumes the relative so to speak which it does, but being the absolute, it also doesn't !

why ?

because

it

is

absolute !

@gerry “ Andrew: What happens when YOU swallow the tail? ”

well that's the difference between us you don't know do you? you are not even pretending because you don't think or believe there is such a thing !

like the other posters here in the batgap comments section

for sport i hunt, you are quite right, there's nothing like shooting a few animals and then gutting and eating them to know what it's all about, an incredibly violent process

slit a wallabies throat this morning that got stuck in a fence and injured, a quiet relaxed death actually, the blood just flowing out, dead in about two minutes, not a bad way to go !

just cooking up some offal now, brains, prostate and a testicle, thyroids tomorrow

i get angry at all the phoniness of the posters here and puzzle why with a little thought and sense they don't start to do some real process, but wilfully blind is wilfully blind !

we just look at each other, i can't believe you can be so stupid and you can't believe that the ouroboros can disappear into itself as a direct personal experience

rather sad the brain damage that occurs with these great  fighters  !

gerry, we are Ouroboros, it doesn't represent anything, it is the fact of reality! when we swallow the tail what happens? you don't know and the way you are going never will !

of course if you partially nibble you can become a teacher !

: o )

rick archer writes : “you don’t tell a hungry man to give up hunger. You feed him, and then hunger is no longer found. Seeking disappears when finding happens, not the other way around.”

what people are hungry for is their own self aggrandizement, the best that can be hoped for is we become more skeptical about it !

there is no non-seeking state, both jesus and buddha were seeking

as some-one like you who follows physics , my observation is that string theory has been discredited and quantum loop gravity is offering a sort of unified theory with fields being the basis of physical reality

you make an interesting point about relative and absolute truths which has a philosophical correlate, in the abstract being true, but “particulars” not necessarily being in conformance with it !

“THAT” is a voynichy fiction of advaita, if one accepts it as nonsense and just the need of teachers to present it as a basis of differentiating themselves the whole business becomes clearer !

if only life were as simple as love and hate or even wisdom and stupidity !

all

interstricts

each other !

(ed.  interstricts  is a sorta portmanteau of intersects, interstices, stricture, intricate, interpenetrate, limiting, self limiting, fused, inextricable )

i still love stairway to heaven as the writer (ed. vocalist robert plant) complaining about his wife's shopping bills

if only life were as simple as hate and love !

if

only

life

was

as

simple

as

hate

and

love !

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if

only

life

were

as

simple

as

hate

and

love !

:

o

)

(

if

only

life

were

as

simple

as

hate

and

love !

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gerry,  men are evolutionarily designed with a simple egoism that makes them manipulable by women

are you going to be a victim of this all your life ?

not the manipulation

by women, but the simple egoism

these video poetry readings

invading the space of the poem

like a dog urinating over it, most of them

by eileen and andrew

you tube poetry readings

invading the space of the poem

like a dog urinating over it, most of them

by eileen and andrew

sophisticated reading, let me put it this way, star trek is not, stanislaw lem is !

yeah it's really sad that women can't self inseminate

you guys who are posting all these video clips, you talk compassion but your behavior is outrageous and highly insulting to rick and those who provide the support for the batgap site

i've seen it so often in the religious area, the twits who can't be bothered to do a bone of work themselves with any real process like solitude or tested thinking and just SPOIL one way or another, in this case it's drowning the real content of the site with overwhelming visual garbage, be it the beatles or the spaced out flake whatever !

all this fine talk and what is the reality of behavior, “have a nice day” meaning “don't dare pry into my stupidity” or overt spoiling !

living with our own poverty, imagination, thinking, life, is that so hard

and

it

is

beautiful !

:

o

)

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speaking of trash anatol, what are these clips you are posting?

glitzy nonsense put together by schizophrenics for schizophrenics !

  awaken                    earthlings

ingrid, why be a sad old woman?

anatole, mood and elevation of feeling is temporary and no answer

you all talk about silence but none of you let it speak to you!

what is

 it telling you?

   or is the trash in your minds obscuring everything?

with

women

though

the

female

attribute

is

universal

each

wants

the

illusion

she

is

special !

you can't explain something to some-one which they have no experiential basis for !

you

can't

explain

something

to

some-one

for

which

they

have

no

experiential

basis

for !

mother

teresa

maybe

she's

a

mimic

saint !

your eyes have a nice laugh in too when you get like that

they are have a green pool in like a clear pond as well

charismatics are people who feed on the suckers they attract !

@gerry you quote me

“ just leave yourself aside and let things flow and if that's not enlightenment what is? ”

and reply

“ well, how can anyone keep things from flowing?

even trying to keep things from flowing, is part of the flow, huh.”

my comment is what you have written is straight  voynich  !

on another level you are stuck in what i wrote about earlier, this problem of the enlightened state being regarded as seeing everything as the same !

everything is the flow, it's always the flow in terms of your reply above !

you do that because you don't see what it's about which in your case NOW is not defending but responding to what i say in a manner searching of yourself for what is true to infinity and what is not !

as it is you are stuck in some stupid hell state !

you and snow leopard and numerous others on the batgap comments and endless others on the various spiritual wanking boards like brad warners hardcore zen blog !

i would guess you have no experience with solitary retreats because you are so unself-aware !

if you don't get that time away you just have no clue that there is more to it than stupid intellectualizing !

i think

what's

different

about

lisa

cairns

is

she

has

actually

made

changes

in

her

life

based

on

what

obviously

doesn't

or

hasn't

worked !

gerry can you see you upset because i have hit the nail on the head with you ? i'm not upset with you because i know the value of what i say !

i'm very open to what you say (ed. his being of the opinion that what i write is “bullshit”) and ask that you get specific and quote

like let's take what you just wrote “Please don’t be sorry – such a waste of energy”

in actual fact sorrow is one of life's remediating aspects

do you think you could reply to that? what you say about sorry is just advaita clonespeak and actually is pretty well across the entire indian/asian religious thing, a false view that everything must be the same, an error lisa cairns falls into btw and actually a good point rick made in the interview about “levels”

see all these teachers and they don't learn from rick who has a lot to offer just in the way he's more open to things, yet they don't, too hard bitten in my opinion

what's the point of doing an interview, there's no money in this game (eckhart tolle has banked it all  ; o )

just leave yourself aside and let things flow and if that's not enlightenment what is?

these blog comments (ed. batgap) are an excellent opportunity to look at ourselves, you can actually be truthful to others and it doen't really matter, see ourselves unvarnished and be a bit honest ! ?

@gerry (ed. batgap)

i did ask you a real question and am sorry to see you avoiding an answer.

you have asked me a reasonable question however and my answer is this

that in fact i spend a fair portion of my day writing homilies which are published on my website and in fact what i post and some of your material ends up there, so it's really working i guess !

just the process of replying to and contradicting bullshit is quite helpful, you can exclude it, but i don't think that works in the end !

@joseph/marc “describing lisa’s strangely hypnotic absence.”

yeah she's got a strong charisma as well as being one of the better advaita teachers, possibly the leader of a rather dull pack !

i am a sucker for charisma personally and what i have learnt the hard way over the years is people with charisma always have some overriding flaw that screws up their own lives and that of everyone else around them

lisa cairns is an out and out “love bomber” if you know what the term means and a great user of people, but hey, people deserve to be used !

she is also one of the very few advaita teachers with any sense of what it all about and no doubt will move onto “greater things” ie mooji-like status if her health holds up which it usually doesn't in my observation !

i'm actually asking in a sincere way, but doesn't it bother you to post the endless bilge that you do? don't you have any interest in being right and not some clone spewing nonsense ?

i'm actually asking in a sincere way, but doesn't it bother you  (@gerry on batgap)  to post the endless bilge that you do?

don't you have any interest in being right and not some clone spewing nonsense ?

all this energy going into so much  vapourware ? when old age hits with it's ills and pains and crapped out brains will there be “no-one to suffer” ?

just another generation full of bullshit passing !

difficult problems have to be come at from several directions

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karen

richards

lisa

cairns

advaita

is

too

toxic

for

you

and

has

consumed

you !

all is illness, life is just as it shouldn't be, ever and now and forever, all unapparent happenings forever folded in this moment, what i am writing is not crap but what karen richards  is  !

interestingly elephant was the major food for early hominids, which when they ran out forced the evolution of hominids into ourselves !

buddhism

it's

just

the

same

as

christian

it's

the

way

people

think !

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i was thinking that zen's a celibate tradition and it really doesn't graft well into married life or this promiscuous age, sex is a different paradigm and you can see it on the hardcore zen blog, they are all just pretending !

because i am fairly autistic i was in a way fortunate to live most of my life celibate and it's really only with that you get the focus of attention necessary

for married/relationship types a different more relaxed approach as per 7th patriarch zen is needed with much more focus on the “wisdom” aspects and just plain getting away to some solitude than is current in any of the modern spiritual paradigms

your main purpose in life is making and supporting babies !

in those circumstances zazen is just going to crucify you !

dogen never recommended zazen for laypeople !

the fundamental problem with shakespeare writing shakespeare is humans just don't have the level of imagination for what he supposedly wrote given his life experience, but sir henry neville didn't have to invent too much, it was his life , family history and travelling experience

hi Toni,

(ed. toni packer, letter attached to a card sent late jan 2012)

the net is a funny thing, i can look at stu glick's stereo system and photos of springwater and the memories come flooding back !

the spiritual world is full of spacey flakeyness and outright though unconcious fraud, it was my priviledge to come across someone-genuine !

i guess i should apologise for the use of the word “spiritual”, but i have got more practical with age !

: o )

springwater

distant  dreams,  beautiful  streams

yellow,

red

the

woods

are

blazing

and

so

are

you !

regards

 Andrew Levin

jos van immerseel, a rather nice playing of   praeludium  in d

i liked that, opens up a new window into bach !