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Sleepless in Fulham: Rambling and gambling by David Young
Tuesday, 2 December 2008
No more consensus politics.
Topic: Politics

I'm not a fan of consensus politics, so I'm pleased to see the Conservatives at last turning up the heat on Labour, now that Brown's economic management of the UK is exposed for the sham that it always was.

That said, even I am bowled over by David Cameron's latest speech to Muslim community leaders, forcefully warning them of what to expect if Brown wins the next election.

Vote Conservative!

Monday, 5 January 2009 - 7:28 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

Nothing to say on the revolting pro-Islamic terrorist propaganda coming out of the BBC whilst a democratically elected Israeli government defends its people?

End the BBC TV licence and end the pro-Socialist propaganda coming out of the BBC. No more Islamic, homosexual, pro-minority programming. The BBC no longer represents the maority of people it broadcasts to.

Monday, 5 January 2009 - 7:38 PM GMT

Name: "David Young"

I don't think the BBC's been 'pro-Islamist'. It's asked some unfair and unreasonable questions of Israeli spokespeople but that's a tactical mistake of Israel's to even bother to talk to the media. I think in affairs like this, whoever avoids talking to the media most wins the public relations battle. If Israel stayed silent and Hamas spoke to the media more (or at all) then Hamas would be asked the questions. They play a smart game by avoiding the cameras. You can only hate what you see.



Tuesday, 6 January 2009 - 1:05 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

"You can only hate what you see."


And I hate seeing pictures of dead Palestinian children when I'm eating my cornflakes. Each to their own though.


Still, in the long term it matters not a jot, because ultimately, Israel is fucked. It is merely digging its own grave; it's a deep grave and it will take many years to finish, but eventually it will be filled. Shame really, as there are alternatives. 


Question: does anyone who supports Israel understand the meaning of the word ' disproportionate'? 


Tuesday, 6 January 2009 - 1:28 PM GMT

Name: "CB"

"that's a tactical mistake of Israel's to even bother to talk to the media." .......

"and Hamas spoke to the media more (or at all) then Hamas would be asked the questions. They play a smart game by avoiding the cameras. You can only hate what you see."

I think you need to broaden your media David. I was listening to a Hamas spokesman on the BBC a few days ago. Also, in the Guardian today there are 2 long letters. One from Shai Hermesh, a Kadima member of the Knesset and one from Khalid Mish'al, head of the Hamas politcal Bureau.



Wednesday, 7 January 2009 - 2:40 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

Pro-Palestinian suck-ups are idiots. They only know what the Islamists want them to know.

The Islamists are experts at only telling the liberal western media wants to know.

I wouldn't put it past Islamists to kill their own children and pretend they were killed elsewhere. After all, they have no problem strapping bombs to idiots and telling them to walk over there "and back".

If you cannot see you are being used then you are as stupid as Livingstone and Galloway, two very wealthy idiots in the pay of Islamists.

Israel has a very healthy future ahead of itself. Simply because it stands up for itself and fights. Unlike Europe, which is filling up with Muslims.

Europe has no future and it is you wooly headed liberal/socialist idiots that have given it away to the Islamists.

This is not a secular/socialist paradise. This country is a toilet. Where there are no beliefs a vacuum is created. That vacuum is being filled by the very worst the world has to offer.

Well done liberal/socialist idiots. One day you will awake and realise your mistakes but it will be too late.

Wednesday, 7 January 2009 - 3:08 PM GMT

Name: "CB"

The good thing about unashamed disgusting racism like that is we can all just completely ignore it. Marvellous.



Wednesday, 7 January 2009 - 4:38 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

The usual liberal/socilast trick, cry "racist" and say nothing else.

Just keep shouting "racist" and hope they go away.

If you think I am a racist then I am proud of it. Better a racist than someone who sucks up to the nation's enemies.

Enemies who really are racist. You can't have your cake and eat it. The kind of people you worship are the most vile racists you will ever meet. Holocaust deniers, inotolerant people, wife beaters, drug dealers who use our children to pay for their weapons.

You are institutionally racist, blindly following your forebears with anti-semitic nonsense for hundreds of years.

Wednesday, 7 January 2009 - 5:07 PM GMT

Name: "CB"

And the great thing about random scattergun abuse like this, is we can all ignore that as well. He's the poster who keeps on giving!!



Wednesday, 7 January 2009 - 6:32 PM GMT

Name: "David Young"

Well Happy new year 2009 to all, before I forget. I'm delighted that people are still reading this blog. I've been really lazy with it lately, focusing much more on improving my physical fitness than my writing. Does anyone else find the verification box hard to manager? I find it really annoying but I don't know what to do about it, apart from move to blogger or livejournal.

I find myself caught between "anon" and CB here. The former is rather uninformed, the latter very naive. I have no hatred for Palestinians/Arabs or muslims per se and nor should anyone else. I do want Europe to resist the encroachment of Islam, because it is associated with supression of women, jews and it seems to inspire a sort of political passivity that allows bad rulers to survive longer than they would in the west. 

But I'm informed enough to know that this is in part because much of the world's oil is located under the soil of the most extreme followers, thus enabling both Saudi Wahabbis (a branch of Sunnis) and Iranian Shia to enforce their repressive and closed-minded ways. Had the oil been under Morocco, Lebanon or Egypt, life might be very different. A much more tolerant Islam might be exported to Pakistan and Europe. Weening ourselves off oil would do a lot to reverse this.

Crying racist is a bit of a cheap shot, CB. Muslims aren't a race. This thread is attached to a post in which I link to footage of a white British convert to Islam prattling about hellfire. He's as white as I am and I can't get over how much he looks and sounds like David Cameron. It's spooky - hence my attempt at humour.

We should be wary of generalising about 'the other'. Until today I would never have believed that this was possible in the middle-east:

Still, they do keep their hair covered - that's modesty for you.

Thursday, 8 January 2009 - 12:00 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

A quick point to the self-confessed racist. There are plenty of us on the left who despise religion and in particular Islam. However, that does not blind us to the fact that in this particular instance, it is not they, but Israel that is indulging in acts of slaughter. Regardless of your religious or political affinity I think only the deranged among us would argue that bombing schools is either justifiable or wise.


If you claim it’s justifiable you can wave goodbye to the moral highground you claim to occupy. If you claim it is wise you clearly have learned nothing from history and the unerring tendency of the oppressed to exact their revenge on their oppressor.


The portrayal of muslims as barbarians may make it easier for you to condone the appalling policies of Israel, but surely you can appreciate the irony of jewish people demonising and persecuting another group of people based solely on their religion. Or has the history of the 20th century (and indeed the entire millennium) passed you by.  


Finally, do not equate opposing Israel’s current policies with anti-semitism. It’s utter bollocks and would be quite offensive if I took what you said remotely seriously. 


And David, yes, the verification thing is a pain in the arse. 

Thursday, 8 January 2009 - 2:11 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

Any mosque or school used as a weapons dump is a legitimate target as proved by the secondary explosions seen coming from such targets.

A trick used by Nazis and copied by Muslims.

Thursday, 8 January 2009 - 2:57 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

"Any mosque or school used as a weapons dump is a legitimate target as proved by the secondary explosions seen coming from such targets."

You were there were you? Well done for beating the Israeli ban on observers entering Gaza. All hail democratic Israel. 

"A trick used by Nazis and copied by Muslims."

This getting really lame now.  Do you have any terms of reference which don't involve the nazis? 

Thursday, 8 January 2009 - 6:45 PM GMT

Name: "David Young"

It would help if people who wished to remain anonymous could please sign off with sort of alias. At present it's not possible to follow who's saying what to whom. I'm shortly going to create a post about Gaza and we can continue this debate there.

Sunday, 11 January 2009 - 2:02 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

Hooray for England and Prince Harry!

So the young wag called someone a Paki.

Don't the liberal/socialist scum understand that Pakistan means "Land of the Pakis"?

PC gone mad? Too rght!

And what is a muzzie doing in the British Army anway? Damned fifth column getting training on the cheap.

Monday, 12 January 2009 - 10:21 AM GMT

Name: "CB"

Ummm, yeah, sorry David, this blokes not racist. He's a very reasonable, level headed, highly educated, caring, compassionate person. Yeah, bloody Paki's, what are they doing breathing anyway!! Yeah!!

Suddenly the definitions in my dictionary are looking decidedly shakey. I know nothing!!!!!!



Monday, 12 January 2009 - 1:07 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

Stan means "land of".

Uzbeks come from Uzbekistan.

Kazaks from Kazakstan.

And so on for every other region on the planet ending in "stan".

There is no exception for the Pakis.

Get it, stupid?

Monday, 12 January 2009 - 2:19 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

Bang on!

Paki means pure in Urdu and Farsi.

Pakistan means land of the pure so why The Pures should worry, I don't know.

Oh, of course, they don't only liberal/socialist fuck-ups get their knickers in a twist about it.

Young pakis call each other paki because they know precisley what it means.

I don't know. You liberal/socialist tossers are continually being taken for a ride. Be it pakis pressing your buttons or Hamas arabs using their own people as human shileds. You fall for it everytime.

Monday, 12 January 2009 - 3:18 PM GMT

Name: "David Young"

I have to agree with the poster above. "Paki" is the first four letters of Pakistan, just as 'Brit' is the first four letters of 'Britain'. I've been called a Brit by Americans and never felt offended. I think it's a sad legacy of the old racism of the 70s and 80s that this word has become so tarnished. It would be great if it could be 'reclaimed' in the same way that some homosexuals have reclaimed 'queer'. The main reason it could still cause offence in the UK is the suggestion that someone who's British of Pakistani ancestry is automatically an outsider and not loyal to Britain.

However, the man that Prince Harry was talking about is now serving in the Pakistani military, so this hardly applies. Let's wish him well.

And it's true by the way that Paki means pure. David Cameron should have kept his mouth shut.

Monday, 12 January 2009 - 4:31 PM GMT

Name: "CB"

Too right David. Social history be damned. Bloody Paki's, what they complaining about? 


Tuesday, 13 January 2009 - 1:37 PM GMT

Name: "CB" 


Printed in today’s paper. I have no interest in your anonymous BNP posters, but shame on you David, I expected better.



Tuesday, 13 January 2009 - 5:11 PM GMT

Name: "David Young"

I've never called anyone a 'Paki'. I know it causes offensive.

I just think it's a shame that the National Front, and other bigots, have tarnished an abbreviation that should be as inoffensive as 'Brit'.

And I don't want David Cameron turning into one of those politicians who feels they have to comment on everything.

Tuesday, 13 January 2009 - 7:27 PM GMT

Name: "CB"

David, I never accused you of calling anyone a Paki. I was surprised that you were defending the 2 posters who clearly think it's ok to do so. They also think it's ok for them to decide what a massive group of people should or shouldn't be offended by. As the journalist in the link pointed out (something I'm sure you didn't need telling) when the word has been used, usually with the word scum after in, in the abuse of thousands of people in this country, the fact that it means "pure" or anything else is entirely irrelevant. I thought you would have been able to see that. Reclaiming the word is also an issue that is not really for us to say is it?
Also suggesting it is the same as "Brit", again rules out all social history. If you, your family and your friends had spent your life being called Brit scum and being verbally and physically abused you may think differently. You have now rightly corrected yourself by stating that "Paki" "should" be as inoffensive as "Brit" but unfortunately has been "tarnished", something that  our simple minded friends fail to grasp. Agreeing with them, does you no favours. As far as Harry is concerned, whatever someone chooses to call their friends is up to them.
Again, I have no interest in the anons. Their arguments have more strawmen then a scarecrow convention. Typing their rants from

Saturday, 17 January 2009 - 12:52 PM GMT

Name: "anonymous"

So says "Commie Boy" lover of a system that killed more than the Nazis.

Worshipper of Stalin, who killed more than Hitler.

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