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Sleepless in Fulham: Rambling and gambling by David Young
Sunday, 4 September 2005
Unenlightened.
Topic: Poker
It's fascinating to see how some people read what they want to read in a posting. 'Enlightened' has written to me about the piece I wrote about Neil Channing and tells me

"I find it remarkable that you think that so many players are not aware of this [here he refers to the human dimension of the game], and that their inaction lies in ignorance not choice. Some people's stomach, including mine, would turn at the thought of befriending someone just to coerce money out of them. Most self-respecting poker players will gladly take the money of fish, loosey gooseys, but will stop well short of coercion, or engaging upon a seek and destroy policy on all known fish.

If you can't see the difference between trying to pit your wits against someone for yes financial reward, as opposed to using every legal means at your disposal to give someone without wits a good fist f*cking - and see this quality as enviable - then you are truly deserving of pity."


Whoa! Hold your horses there, buddy. You're reading far too much into this. The essence of what I was explaining was Neil's ability to create a gambling atmosphere. I promise you that it's the gambling games that people enjoy, not the rock-fests. Although I gave an example of Neil getting information out of someone in a less than direct manner, the most important thing I was saying about him was that he was able to get people to gamble. Believe it or not, it's what a lot of people want to do anyway! It's why a lot of them come to the game.

But once they sit in the chair, they become fearful of how others perceive their play and can play more conservatively. Neil does everything to make people feel right in gambling. And nearly everyone appreciates it - winners and losers alike.

The contrast between him and some other Vic players is chasmic. I've had countless arguments with players like Mike Mozouros, Alan Abraham and Victor Hyam to name but a few, because they seem to expect their opponents to play in silence. Given that some or all of these players are long-term winners, it's incredible when you think about it. They expect their victims to lose their money to them in total silence. They have no idea how much they are poisoning the gambling atmosphere. Every time I hear them utter the words 'No talking while there's a pot on!', I want to scream. I mean, do they want to win money or not? Every time they utter this nonsense, it's like money is falling out of their pockets. They are making it less likely that the casual players return.

As professional players, we are in the entertainment industry. A card room is not an exam hall. I'm normally a critic of those who attack the Vic as being full of miserable old gits, but at times it's true. Neil is the opposite. He makes it fun to be at the table. And fun is what most non-pros come for.

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 10:51 AM BST

Name: Ahmed

Mr Young is remarkably quiet about his beloved America and its inability to cope with hurricane Katrina, the resulting breakdown in society and the need to hold the begging bowl out to the EU and NATO.

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 10:50 PM BST

Name: David Young

I basically agree with what's said here:

Chicago Sun Times on the Hurricane and the relief effort

People outside the US are prone to blame Bush, as he's the only American politician they can name. I don't know who it was who voted against spending money to build up the levee and instead waste money in Alaska. But he/she/they deserve(s) a great deal of the blame.

There is a separation of powers between the states and the federal government, which I don't claim to understand. At times like this it can lead to paralysis.

DY

Tuesday, 6 September 2005 - 11:39 AM BST

Name: jamie

I don’t know why you bother with a blog David. Why don’t you just cut and paste Mark Steyn’s articles in their entirety? I mean, you’ve yet to deviate from anything he’s said about any subject.

Anyway, I’m still trying to reconcile your response to the tsunami with recent events in poor old New Orleans.

Back in December, you wrote: “Meanwhile, if any good is to come out of this disaster, I hope that it's the realisation that the best way to save lives in future disasters is to encourage representative government and economic growth in the developing world. Only when governments exist to respond to the needs of their people and their economies generate the wealth to invest in flood warning systems and sea defences will there be the starting point for a 'cure'.

Confused? Join the club.

Tuesday, 6 September 2005 - 7:39 PM BST

Name: David Young

Regarding Steyn, I'm sorry, I can't help it. I find myself in agreement with him on most issues. But if you want to know where I 'deviate from anything he’s said about any subject', then it's on abortion (he's against, I'm for) and religion (he believes in God, I don't). He also seems to take a slightly mocking tone about Europe's 'post-Christian' attitudes. I don't know how I'm supposed to make myself believe in God if I don't already. He seems to think it's a choice. I don't feel like I've made one. I just don't believe those who tell me there's a god. It's not a calculated decision based on self-interest.

As far as New Orleans is concerned, it's clear that a LOT has gone wrong. There was a flood warning to be fair. But many people who could have gotten out ignored it, perhaps because previous warnings failed to come true. There was also a sea-defence, but it was designed only to cope with category three hurricanes, not category five. A request for funding to bolster the levees was denied. Someone's going to have to live with that on their conscience for the rest of their lives.

There is also the point I made before, that power in America is fragmented. This is useful in preventing a dictatorship, but can lead to a paralysis when change is needed. Compare it to this country. Remember the last Tory government's ability to come up with Acts for 'Dangerous Dogs' and 'Aggrevated Vehicle Taking' (whatever that is). Both were knee-jerk reactions to stories that were in the press for a few weeks. I don't think that laws could have been introduced that fast in the US. Whether that's a good thing or not is a matter of choice.

American democracy has done a poor job of preventing disaster here, but I'm not sure that a dictatorship would have done better.

DY

Wednesday, 7 September 2005 - 1:26 PM BST

Name: jamie

Good reply.

I like Steyn as a writer; he reminds me of PJ O'Rourke, another whose opinions I disagree with but whose style of writing I enjoy reading. On the whole, the right does that type of polemiocal journalism much better than the left, which has a tendency to lapse into sanctimonious moralising too much of the time.

As for New Orleans I don't suppose a dictator would have done any better, but you'd think the wealthiest country in the world could have utilised its resources more effectively.

For me, the whole episode has highlighted not only the unwieldy structure of government but also the chronic lack of leadership skills in the country.

I'm not blaming Bush per se, but his dithering in the immediate aftermath of the storm seemed symptomatic of a general sense of malaise running throughout the whole political system. If you read into the background of Michael Brown - head of FEMA - and how he came to be appointed to a position he was patently unqualified for, it hardly inspires you with confidence in the 'system'.

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