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sylvia plath was in agony (ed. re her suicide!) from the side effects of a very toxic monoamine oxidase inhibitor antidepressant and had trouble with before, but had forgotten about or the brand name was different
everyone just washed their hands of her and her problems, at least in terms of effective help
rather sad really, but that's life, s u c k s
sylvia plath was in agony (ed. re her suicide!) from the side effects a very toxic monoamine oxidase inhibitor antidepressant and had trouble with before, but had forgotten about or the brand name was different
everyone just washed their hands of her and her problems, at least in terms of effective help
rather sad really, but that's life, s u c k s
zen master sylvia plath
anne sexton, who was a friend of sylvia is good, but she's not in the same class as sylvia !
they used to discuss methods of suicide together in their younger days over drinks at the bar of the ritz-carlton in boston ! :o)
so the first thing is, “ can a zen master commit suicide ” and the answer is yes and no doubt this sort of thing is removed from the the zen records, but you get hints in the suicides of layman pang's children and other so called “ volitional ” deaths in the record !
you can argue that socrates death was volitional as he seems to done everything possible not to avoid what would have to be an expected outcome, even asking for his children to be looked after in his defence speech !
a good Socrates quote
“ beware the barrenness of a busy life ”
now the second thing is this notion of, or rather fact of “ equivalence ” , that there is some eternal truth rediscovered across generations and in fact what is called zen is a highly voynichated, but still coherent if you look for it, expression of this truth............................
when you look at sylvia's poem “ a lesson in vengeance ” and it's last stanza
still, latter-day sages
smiling at this behavior, subjugating their enemies
neatly, nicely, by disbelief or bridges
never grip, as the grandsires did, that devil who chuckles
from grain of the marrow and the river-bed grains
is exactly the same criticism that the zen masters make of their stupid hostile monks. . . !
except it is better expressed by sylvia and quite penetrable
dieleere writes/states
sylvia plath was in love with death, fear, and rage. she was not zen
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well all you are saying is you are not enlightened ! :o)
dieleere replies
all I am saying is it sucked being a 17 year old girl who empathized with sylvia plath
ed. she also pasted sylvia plath's famous poem lady lazarus
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out of the ash I rise with my red hair
and I eat men like air
that's zen, what can I say ?
there's a really deep meaning in that quote, toni packer used to say something similar those many years ago when I was at springwater , but it has taken me this long to understand it !
there's remedy and relief in what it is saying !
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dieleere replies
well, then I don't see it. I see a woman who stuck her head in the oven
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that melts to a shriek
I turn and burn. do not think I underestimate your great concern
dieleere replies
if I'm reading your inference correctly, there is something pure inside of her that is read as valuable
it is always there
I guess it's not really a choice as to whether one appears sane or not, with no permanent definition
zen master sylvia plath
anne sexton, who was a friend of sylvia is good, but she's not in the same class as sylvia !
they used to discuss methods of suicide together in their younger days over drinks at the bar of the ritz-carlton in boston ! :o)
so the first thing is, “ can a zen master commit suicide ” and the answer is yes and no doubt this sort of thing is removed from the the zen records, but you get hints in the suicides of layman pang's children and other so called “ volitional ” deaths in the record !
you can argue that socrates death was volitional as he seems to done everyhting possible not to avoid what would have to be an expected outcome, even asking for his children to be looked after in his defence speech !
a good Socrates quote
“ beware the barrenness of a busy life ”
now the second thing is this notion of, or rather fact of “ equivalence ” , that there is some eternal truth rediscovered across generations and in fact what is called zen is a highly voynichated, but still coherent if you look for it, expression of this truth............................
when you look at sylvia's poem “ a lesson in vengeance ” and it's last stanza
still, latter-day sages
smiling at this behavior, subjugating their enemies
neatly, nicely, by disbelief or bridges
never grip, as the grandsires did, that devil who chuckles
from grain of the marrow and the river-bed grains
is exactly the same criticism that the zen masters make of their stupid hostile monks. . . !
except it is better expressed by sylvia and quite penetrable
ewk replies
this is your personal make-believe, not zen
sylvia plath was just a poet. if you like her, fine
but why pretend about her ?
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it's just like I am not pretending that I have/had mind to mind transmission with the 6th
patriarch
things really are so and happen and can't be swept under the
carpet of “ make believe ! ”
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it really happened, i'm not pretending and in fact why would I bother except it is real !
I can't ignore it because it really happened and says certain things !
far easier to just have kept to one's semisuburban life immersed in that futile existance
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AMA's are for the pretenders :o)
(ed. my reply on ewk suggesting i do an AMA again)
the whole point of enlightenment is it only matters to yourself
the sixth patriarch spent a fair portion of his life being literally hunted by ignorant know-alls like yourself, his closest call? was being surrounded in bush and then it was set fire to, but he was able to hide in some rocks and avoid incineration !
your function is this complete and somewhat murderous hostility, I welcome it ! :o)
under no illusions about how reality is thanks to your input and of others like singlefinger who got the
tattoo thread removed because he couldn't handle the insight into his own pathetic ignorance and how infinity can shine through words ! : o)
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my authenticity is your (ed. ewk's) obsession
and reason to hate ! :o)(
it really happened, it was a vision during a zen retreat and turned my life upside down !
unless you have had it, you won't understand and will flick through books like the blue cliff record forever ! :o)
zen master sylvia plath
anne sexton, who was a friend of sylvia is good, but she's not in the same class as sylvia !
they used to discuss methods of suicide together in their younger days over drinks at the bar of the ritz-carlton in boston ! :o)
so the first thing is, “ can a zen master commit suicide ” and the answer is yes and no doubt this sort of thing is removed from the the zen records, but you get hints in the suicides of layman pang's children and other so called “ volitional ” deaths in the record !
you can argue that socrates death was volitional as he seems to done everyhting possible not to avoid what would have to be an expected outcome, even asking for his children to be looked after in his defence speech !
a good Socrates quote
“ beware the barrenness of a busy life ”
now the second thing is this notion of, or rather fact of “ equivalence ” , that there is some eternal truth rediscovered across generations and in fact what is called zen is a highly voynichated, but still coherent if you look for it, expression of this truth............................
when you look at sylvia's poem “ a lesson in vengeance ” and it's last stanza
still, latter-day sages
smiling at this behavior, subjugating their enemies
neatly, nicely, by disbelief or bridges
never grip, as the grandsires did, that devil who chuckles
from grain of the marrow and the river-bed grains
is exactly the same criticism that the zen masters make of their stupid hostile monks. . . !
except it is better expressed by sylvia and quite penetrable
yeah, you (ed. singlefinger) are of the borg ! : o (
self righteous , hubric, a belief in yourself as the supreme ruler of the galaxy ! : o)
violent (getting this
thread censored) when you get traumatized ! : o )
yeah, you (ed. singlefinger) are of the borg ! :o(
self righteous , hubric, a belief in yourself as the supreme ruler of the galaxy ! : o)
violent (getting this
thread censored) when you get traumatized ! :o)
“ you have a persona of a tantruming child ”
how would you feel as the only sane person in a lunatic asylum ?
see the sort of zen that most or everyone else here imagine/s is warm milk when the reality is absinthe ! :o)
the way I write is sorta super density, poetic actually and everything means something, the grammar, faces spaces..................
you just want to be open to them and go with the flow.................
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the fundamental difference is this abortion called zen is usually taken to mean some form of benign self improvement in a useful reality
the 6th's patriarch perspective is surviving on a totally insane and alien planet of short and mean/narrow sighted stupids..........
he had to transmit to me by travelling thirteen centuries because a real understanding is s o rare, it's no wonder he was unable to transmit in his own lifetime : o ) ( .....................
“ why would anyone ban you? ;/ ”
F a k e s don't like their I l l u s I o n s sha t t e r e d
“ why would anyone ban you? ;/ ”
F a k e s don't like their I l l u s I o n s sha t t e r e d
reddit is well known for its mass stupidity ! :o(
just opinionated suburban drudges really, no experience of life beyond malls, drugs, alcohol
and work !
reddit is well known for its mass stupidity ! :o(
just opinionated suburban drudges really, no experience of life beyond malls,
drugs, alcohol and work !
you sent a
curve ball but got caught on the straight one ! :o)
mark houghton told me to stop engaging my brain
and he doesn't write funny
I'mma go with mark on this one
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I liked mark ! :o)
he didn't say that or what he meant was stop wanking when you talk !
that “ no engagement ” is not a kwan um teaching, soen sa nim was one big time brain engager as is the seon school which is pretty koan oriented ! :o)
this no brain nullism is just a cop out for the dead head idiots who think that enlightenment is
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wmjbyatt replied
and if i told you mark complimented my tattoo...? ;-)
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give us a pic ! :o)
I do feel however that tattoos are intrinsically not what zen is about
but really the health problems are are part of the modern nightmare !
everyone has to be perfect here, life is full of mistakes, why can't this be just another ?
wmjbyatt replied
he didn't, and I won't, but you've said what I wanted to hear
thank you for your practice :-)
tattooing is the imposition of some-one else's bad artwork on you in a toxic way, it's a lot to do with things going wrong in zen, a physical paradigm of the usual mess and W R O N G M I N D E D N E S S
tattooing is the imposition of some-one else's bad artwork on you in a toxic way, it's a lot to do with things going wrong in zen, a physical paradigm of the mess and usual W R O N G M I N D E D N E S S
tattooing is the imposition of some-one else's bad artwork on you in a toxic way, it's a lot to do with things going wrong in zen, a physical paradigm of the usual mess and wrongmindedness
tattooing is the imposition of some-one else's bad artwork on you in a toxic way, it's a lot to do with things going wrong in zen, a physical paradigm of the mess and usual wrongmindedness
tattooing is the imposition of some-one else's bad artwork on you in a toxic way, it's a lot to do with things going wrong in zen, a physical paradigm of the usual mess and wrongmindedness
tattooing is the imposition of some-one else's bad artwork on you in a toxic way, it's a lot to do with things going wrong in zen, a physical paradigm of the mess and usual wrongmindedness
I wrote something on jesus yesterday, was talking to two jehovah's witnesses who were actually slightly more interested than usual
did you know jesus was a minor fringe judaic deity, on a par with the archangel gabriel
he was defeated by the devil in battle and can you believe it, is buried just below the moon ! :o)
in those days they thought there was air all the way up to the moon and you could fly there, and there was land up there ! :o)
I wrote something on jesus yesterday, was talking to two jehovah's witnesses who were actually slightly more interested than usual
did you know jesus was a minor fringe judaic deity, on a par with the archangel gabriel
he was defeated by the devil in battle and can you believe it, buried just below the moon ! :o)
in those days they thought there was air all the way up to the moon and you could fly there, and there was land up there ! :o)
did you know jesus was a minor fringe judaic deity, on a par with the archangel gabriel
he was defeated by the devil in battle and can you believe it, is buried just below the moon ! :o)
in those days they thought there was air all the way up to the moon and you could fly there, and there was land up there ! :o)
did you know jesus was a minor fringe judaic deity, on a par with the archangel gabriel
he was defeated by the devil in battle and can you believe it, buried just below the moon ! :o)
in those days they thought there was air all the way up to the moon and you could fly there, and there was land up there ! :o)
the reddit zen forum is for people like you who's knowledge of zen is all about how wonderful they are and puling endless bullshit all over the place !
O B S E R V A T I O N : o )
the reddit zen forum is for people like you who's knowledge of zen is all about how wonderful they are and puling endless bullshit all over the place !
O B S E R V A T I O N : o )
the reddit zen forum is for people like you who's knowledge of zen is all about how wonderful they are and puling endless bullshit all over the place !
O B S E R V A T I O N : o )
the typography and spacing of my work is very much part of what is written !
“ you're a delusional person who named himself the patriarch in a dream ”
enlightenment understands this, ignorance just sticks with the normative world view ! :o)
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[...] got nothing to prove, what do peoples opinions mean to me ?
I just laugh at their paltry efforts knowing that I am in fact the real transmitted heir of huineng and the only one !
if you don't understand how mind to mind transmission can cross time and space like that, then that is a koan for the rest of your life !
heavily downvoted on reddit means you are heavily read, it's just the hive mind doesn't like what is said ! : o )
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ! : o )
heavily downvoted on reddit means you are heavily read, it's just the hive mind doesn't like what is said ! :o)
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ! : o )
heavily downvoted on reddit means you are heavily read, it's just the hive mind doesn't like what is said ! :o)
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ! :o)
heavily downvoted on reddit means you are heavily read, it's just the hive mind doesn't like what is said ! :o)
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ! :o)
heavily downvoted on reddit means you are heavily read, it's just the “ hive mind ” doesn't like what is said ! :o)
ewk, your lack of contemplative, meditative and retreat experience just leads you to swallowing the most bizarre voynich which zen is full of !
ewk, your lack of contemplative, meditative and retreat experience just leads to to swallowing the most bizarre voynich which zen is full of !
ewk, your lack of contemplative, meditative and retreat experience just leads to to swallowing the most bizarre voynich which zen is full of !
your lack of contemplative, meditative and retreat experience just leads to to swallowing the most bizarre voynich which zen is full of !
kirkus, the art is ghastly, eg the sideways red breasts, really ! :o()
that red ink could be mercury based, you don't know !
tattoo inks contain heavy metals, carcinogens and nanoparticles, you are creating a permanent health problems for yourself !
nanoparticles are a huge emerging health issue as all the recent research is showing, the problem is they are so small they go through and into cells and disrupt function !
black inks are chronic for nanoparticles !
tattoos are formed by an allergic/immune
response by the body, if that doesn't tell you something what will?
my advice is just leave it at this point, not get any more done, good advice which I am sure you will ignore......... ! :o)
they are best left, laser removal just frees up nanoparticles and carcinogens that go into the body !
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theories of “ burden of proof ” go nowhere.......... : o)
in reality it's the consequences of informed or wilfully ignorant action or misaction, that is, if you get tattoos then you take the health consequences.......................
all heavily tattooed people get immune and nanoparticle related health problems sooner or later...........
fact or fiction, its the reality of which one of those that determines............
I know which way I am voting...............
:o)
“ all heavily tattooed people get immune and nanoparticle related health problems sooner or later........... ”
if tattoos are a problem then basically the above statement should be true
that's what I mean by fact or fiction
and i'm saying well that's where the “ burden of proof ” lies
so ultimately what in reality, what is the case, my informed judgement is that is happening
I vote with my feet and have no tattoos ! :o)
the moderators have this reddit right ! :o)
mikbrock replies
the first rule of zen : always break the rules?
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you might like to think about the difference in the way we have expressed it ! :o)
I don't think what I said abstracts in the way you claim ! :o(
mikbrock replies
just pointing out that you need rules to be able to break them
if you think that Zen is “ always about ” breaking the norms of civil human discussion, then that's an interesting hypothesis
I don't think mean-spirited personal insults are necessary for zen
some people have assumed a kind of linji/hakuin role for themselves, hurling invectives as some kind of tough love that comes across as pretty pathological to me
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“ just pointing out that you need rules to be able to break them ”
that's not what I said, I wish you people would pay more attention and not drift away in some bizzare hubris.......................
this lack of attention to detail and getting the facts sorted out according to that detail is why people here simply waste their time in being pretenders............
you don't view yourself as mean spirited but in fact you are a prime arsehole with your repulsive self satisfaction and hubris........... :o()
you don't need tough love, you need your head blown open !. . . !
zen is quite pathological, reddit zen should/would tell you that !
life is pathology is the/a truer perspective of life !
mikbrock replies
you don't know how i view myself
pay attention
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oh yeah fake words from a fake shown up !
warm milk on the lips I am afraid......................
mikbrock replies
jesus, what a dick you are
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i'm real , a fake like you perceives that as “dickish”
that's your problem, your nicely trimmed world view with all its sanctimonious shit just don't stand up !
:o()
mikbrock replies
pathological indeed
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life is a pathological terror policed by (mutant !) zombies that go around eating everyone's brains.......................
munch
munch
: o ) (
mikbrock replies
that's like scientology or something
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you can't stop the bullshit coming out can you............
you are dreadfully mediocre. sort of the type of nit that used to end up in scientology, its pretty well collapsing now
my writing is thematic to reality, scientologies nonsense is just straight bullshit....................
you think zen is some sort of dull regurgitative conformance to a “ nice social normality ”
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‘ you think zen is some sort of dull regurgitative conformance to a “ nice social normality ” ’
no i don't, that's an easy and stupid reaction from you
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do you have any meditative or retreat experience, really people just come here with the most total lack of illumination about themselves.............
give me all your life “ cut and pastes ”
anne sexton was suicidal , manic depressive and insomniacal , now that is a zen master ! : o )
anne sexton was suicidal , manic depressive and insomniacal , now that is a zen master ! : o )
anne sexton was suicidal , manic depressive and insomniacal , now that is a zen master ! :o)
anne sexton was suicidal, manic depressive and insomniacal, now that is a zen master ! :o)
anne sexton was suicidal, manic depressive and insomniacal, now that is a zen master ! :o)
why are good comics suicidal ?
it's the empathy of depression !
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why are good comics suicidal ?
i think it's the empathy of depression !
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why are good comics suicidal ?
it's the empathy of depression !
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why are good comics suicidal ?
i think it's the empathy of depression !
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why are good comics suicidal ?
i think it's the empathy of depression !
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why are good comics suicidal ?
i think it's the empathy of depression !
why are good comics suicidal ?
i think it's the empathy of depression !
why are good comics suicidal ?
i think it's the empathy of depression
ewk, the problem you have is you can't understand my mind to mind transmission with the 6th patriarch as real !
yuanwu is not enlightened, yunmen is........................
ewk, the problem you have is you can't understand my mind to mind transmission with the 6th patriarch as real !
yuanwu is not enlightened, yunmen is........................
yuanwu is not enlightened, yunmen is........................
ewk, the problem you have is you can't understand my mind to mind transmission with the 6th patriarch as real !
yuanwu is not enlightened, yunmen is........................
yuanwu is not enlightened, yunmen is........................
yuanwu is not enlightened, yunmen is........................
yuanwu is not enlightened, yunmen is........................
the eye of infinity cannot but be perennial ! :o)
the eye of infinity cannot but be perennial ! :o)
the eye of infinity cannot but be perennial !
the eye of infinity cannot but be perennial
for it is manifestly true , that no-one can speak with sufficient clearness to be understood by those who are grossly blind , and as ignorant as stupid animals !
from chapter L of “ the life of blessed henry suso, by himself ”
translated by thomas knox, 1865
for it is manifestly true, that no-one can speak with sufficient clearness to be understood by those who are grossly blind, and as ignorant as stupid animals !
from chapter L of “ the life of blessed henry suso, by himself ”
translated by thomas knox, 1865
for it is manifestly true , that no-one can speak with sufficient clearness to be understood by those who are grossly blind , and as ignorant as stupid animals !
from chapter L of “ the life of blessed henry suso, by himself ”
translated by thomas knox, 1865
for it is manifestly true, that no-one can speak with sufficient clearness to be understood by those who are grossly blind , and as ignorant as stupid animals !
from chapter L of “ the life of blessed henry suso, by himself ”
translated by thomas knox, 1865
for it is manifestly true, that no-one can speak with sufficient clearness to be understood by those who are grossly blind, and as ignorant as stupid animals !
from chapter L of “ the life of blessed henry suso, by himself ”
translated by thomas knox, 1865
the eye expands encompassing the viewer !
the eye expands encompassing the viewer !
the eye expands encompassing the viewer !
the eye expands encompassing the viewer !
you don't have to lose when you are right, it's losing when you are wrong that is the problem !
you don't have to lose when you are right, it's losing when you are wrong that is the problem !
you don't have to lose when you are right, it's losing when you are wrong that is the problem !
ewk writes
why not study zen while you are here?
leave your infinity and god whatever for another time
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why not leave off studying zen, that is your god and “infinity” cut down for poodles !
ewk writes
why not study zen while you are here?
leave your infinity and god whatever for another time
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why not leave off studying zen, that is your god and “infinity” cut down for poodles !
ewk writes
why not study zen while you are here?
leave your infinity and god whatever for another time
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why not leave off studying zen, that is your god and “infinity” cut down for poodles ! :o)(
look at these lines by ferdinand pessosa from “ the book of disquiet ”
I've always been an ironic dreamer, unfaithful to my inner promises
like a complete outsider, a casual observer of whom I thought I was,
I've always enjoyed watching my daydreams go down in defeat.
I was never convinced of what I believed in.
I filled my hands with sand, called it gold, and opened them up to let it slide through
words were my only truth.
when the right words were said, all was done; the rest was the sand that had always been
“ [..] then on the shore
of the wide world I stand alone, and think
till love and fame to nothingness do sink ”
it's fundamental that zen is not unique, that john keats, Emily dickinson and henry
suso also understood and are actually more useful because we know much more exactly what was said and don't have to look through the mire of distorting voynich that zen records are so heavily mired in !
infinity, god whatever, how could its knowledge and discernment be limited to an obscure mix of knowledge from medieval china?
zen is a container , what is “ without ” a container ? : o )
zen is a container, what is “ without ” a container ? : o )
zen is a container, what is “ without ” a container ? :o)
zen is a container
, what is “ without ” a container ? : o )
zen is a container
, what is “ without ” a container ? : o )
zen is a container, what is “ without ” a container ? : o )
zen is a container, what is “ without ” a container ? :o)
zen is a container, what is without a container ? :o)
poor health creating a question about life is what zen and relgion is all about ! :o()
often the problems are quite subtle
interestingly because the human species became bottle necked down to a population of several thousand at one point, we have alot of sickness inducing genetic anomalies !
poor health creating a question about life is what zen and relgion is all about ! :o()
often the problems are quite subtle
poor health creating a question about life is what zen and religion is all about ! :o()
poor health creating a question about life is what zen and religion is all about ! :o()
poor health creating a question about life is what zen it all about ! :o()
lol, you are really exotic (ed. reddit zen)
“ I live in one of the most northern cities in Sweden (Luleå) and this entire winter I've been walking home from my university, over the ice, accompanied by a beautiful starry sky and quite often green/red-shifting auroras, covering the sky
the sun barely rises during the winter so the sky is cold, crisp, and sometimes you can see your shadow in the starlight alone
I'd say this trip to the north has been treating me well ”
better to remain out of love than in love !
better to remain out of love than in love !
better to remain out of love than in love !
better to remain out of love than in love
road going nowhere
one amongst a thousand
I stride
as
a
single
wumen's first verse in chinese
google translate
avenue nowhere
there are one thousand poor roads
through get this off
ayumi universe alone
my re-translation
road going nowhere
one amongst a thousand
we stride
as
single
road going nowhere
one amongst thousands
we stride
as
single
interestingly the kwan um school of zen is seon
so I have some (surprisingly!) experience with it !
more open , crazy, accepting of crazy and fun than the japanese traditions for sure !
seems to ruin lives just as effectively as any mystical religion ! :o)
lot of health problems I noticed in kwan um !
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the health problems in zen are so chronic that it's the main reason I kept well clear of it !
zen has died and health and health insurance costs have killed it !
centers are an obsolete form !
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there's a lot of metabolic syndrome/cfs type problems, the concern is the generally viral climate hanging around people with suppressed or malfunctioning immune systems, breathing the same breath in fact !
you also have issues about food !
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thac0 asks/says
With that logic wouldn't all our dr's and nurses be very sickly?
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nurses do seem to get their health affected, lots of these chronic conditions as they get older
I think doctors get affected too and always have been
medicine has always been abit bizarre !
why nurses get more affected is the female immune system is much more prone to develop autoimmune problems like lupus !
one of the basic skills of zen is being able to self disclose in way helpful to yourself and others ! :o)...(
you are one of the endless 99.99% who get involved in mysticism only to have their own brains fold up on them in an ultra contracted manner
take up golf, be better for you than whatever you have been doing ! :o()
one of the basic skills of zen is being able to self disclose in way helpful to yourself and others ! :o)...(
you are one of the endless 99.99% who get involved in mysticism only to have their own brains fold up on them in an ultra contracted manner
take up golf, be better for you than whatever you have been doing ! :o()
you read and fill your life with junk so why do you expect your meditation to be any different ?
you read and fill your life with junk so why do you expect your meditation to be any different ?
you read and fill your life with junk so why do you expect your meditation to be any different ?
you read and fill your life with junk so why do you expect your meditation to be any different ?
I have already explained your problem to you and made a suggestion, i'm not going too again, you will forever remain a broken toy that gurgles occasionally when its batteries give a brief flick of life ! :o()
ed. this is reply to oatgerm who caught up in his own hubris and mediocre reading tastes, just goes on and on in his monomania ................. ! :o(
eiheji temple seems an
unhealthy place to live to me ! : o (
not enough sun, too close to the trees !
as for that nutcase training ! : o ( . . .
eiheji temple seems an
unhealthy place to live to me ! :o(
not enough sun, too close to the trees !
as for that nutcase training ! : o ( . . .
eiheji temple seems an
unhealthy place to live to me ! :o(
not enough sun, too close to the trees !
as for that nutcase training ! : o ( . . .
eiheji temple seems an
unhealthy place to live to me ! :o(
not enough sun, too close to the trees !
as for that nutcase training ! :o( . . .
eiheji temple seems an
unhealthy place to live to me ! :o(
not enough sun, too close to the trees !
as for that nutcase training ! :o( . . .
joshu instructed the assembly saying
as for the buddha-dharma of this place : if you say it's easy, it's difficult
if you say it's difficult, it's easy
somewhere else, it is difficult to see yet easy to know about
where I am, it is easy to see yet difficult to know about
if you can understand this, you can go against the grain of the world
my re-translation
if you say ‘ there's nothing to do ’ it's not that
if you say ‘ there's something to do ’ , it's not that either !
from the incorrect perspective knowing is easier than seeing
from the correct perspective
, knowing is harder than seeing...............
“ I need to cut down cigs
how can i do it in a ‘ zen way ’ sort of ? ”
you need to count the number smoked and be able to keep to a predefined limit and then work down !
make tallies and keep a journal, easy enough to do with a computer !
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“ doing this, it's not working bad
“ I need to cut down cigs
how can i do it in a ‘ zen way ’ sort of ? ”
you need to count the number smoked and be able to keep to a predefined limit and then work down !
make tallies and keep a journal, easy enough to do with a computer !
what do monet, escher and dali do successfully that you (ed. oatgerm !) don't ?
handle
r
e
c
u
r
s
i
o
n
successfully !
: o)(
what do monet, escher and dali do successfully that you don't ?
handle
r
e
c
u
r
s
i
o
n
successfully !
: o)(
the moron proletariat never rebels ! . : o (
the moron proletariat never rebels ! . : o (
the moron proletariat never rebels ! . : o(
the moron proletariat never rebels ! . : o(
the moron proletariat never rebels ! . : o(
bodhidharma
interprets this
poem
thank you for making me slow down, and contemplate this fantastic idea of amnesiac players in a world of volumic tomes of past knowledge
seems the paper, now digital, has a life of [its] their own, and we are just struggling to type fast enough, while our real life slips away each second . . .
my
reply
interesting intepretation thanks ! :o)
a wordless zen is just another dream ! : o )
zen is a dream
a dream is a dream
too
many
words
!
:
o
(
a wordless zen is just another dream ! : o )
zen is a dream
a dream is a dream
a wordless zen is just another dream ! : o)
zen is a dream
a dream is a dream
a wordless zen is just another dream ! : o)
a work of
genius , i love the maxfield parrish references !
“ there are lots of folks searching for something, i'm not, i know there is nothing to search for, i know i have it ”
it's not that's there's nothing to search for, but there's no-one to search, so please tell us what you have ! ?
90% of what calls itself zen is a waste of time, George Bowman is different !
I did a retreat many years ago with George at the Cambridge zen center, he and his then
wife astounded me by serving all the retreat participants with tea, this may not seem a big deal but was certainly so different from the usual up themselves protected by hierarchy or hubris zen teachers I had come across
the
talk Friday 10/4 is of quite a different superior quality to what you usually hear in zen !
oatgerm writes
Zaddar is enlightened, what doesn't he know?
(This is misleading)
my
reply
enlightenment is more being open to what you don't know in a coherent way ! :o)
the coherence takes a lifetime to build ! :o)
oatgerm writes
Zaddar is enlightened, what doesn't he know?
(This is misleading)
my
reply
enlightenment is more being open to what you don't know in a coherent way ! :o)
the coherence takes a lifetime to build ! :o)
your
n
o
s
e
f
e
l
l
o
f
f ?
your
n
s
e
f
e
l
l
o
f
f ?
you were born on a bucking bronco !
: o )
life isn't always like that !
you were born on a bucking bronco !
: o )
life isn't always like that !
you were born on a bucking bronco !
you were born on a bucking bronco
i was thinking that human society has always killed its best people, it's like an intrinsic ongoing moronizing !
i was thinking that human society has always killed its best people, it's like an intrinsic ongoing moronizing !
i was thinking that human society has always killed its best people, it's like an intrinsic ongoing moronizing !
i was thinking that human society has always killed its best people, it's like an intrinsic ongoing moronizing !
ewk, real zen masters like me have decent replies ! : o )
real zen masters like me have decent replies ! : o )
real zen masters like me have decent replies ! : o )
real zen masters like me have decent replies ! :o)
this I think is much more of the
real background of the blue cliff record rather than large monasteries !
writing is my very own
gulag , i wish it didn't kill me !
writing is my very own
gulag , i wish it didn't kill me !
writing is my very own
gulag , i wish it didn't kill me !
writing is my very own
gulag , i wish it didn't kill me !
touzi datong asked
how is it when a man who has died the great death returns to life ?
zhaozhou replied
he must not go by night : he must get there in daylight
my
reply
he must have gone by day and night !
:
o
touzi datong asked
how is it when a man who has died the great death returns to life ?
zhaozhou replied
he must not go by night : he must get there in daylight
my
reply
he must have gone by night and day !
:
o
touzi datong asked
how is it when a man who has died the great death returns to life ?
zhaozhou replied
he must not go by night : he must get there in daylight
my
reply
he must have gone by night and daylight !
:
o
touzi datong asked
how is it when a man who has died the great death returns to life ?
zhaozhou replied
he must not go by night: he must get there in daylight
my
reply
he must have gone by day and night !
:
o
touzi datong asked
how is it when a man who has died the great death returns to life ?
zhaozhou replied
he must not go by night: he must get there in daylight
my
reply
he must have gone by night and day !
:
o
touzi datong asked
how is it when a man who has died the great death returns to life ?
zhaozhou replied
he must not go by night: he must get there in daylight
my
reply
he must have gone by night and daylight !
:
o
jd101 : what a load of up it’s own arse artsy bollocks
andrew : it’s
genius , have another look and let it sink in !
fuck you youtube : no, it was artsy farsty bullshit..
andrew : clods like yourself are always running down genius, that’s what makes it genius ! :o)
why are you commenting here,?
can’t figure that out can you !
its simply a truer view of reality than your consumerized brain can cope with !
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why not search for the meaning ?
its quite heavily indebted to andrei tarkovsky !
is life what it seems ?
is death what it seems ?
is less more and more less?
why are you interested in it, its upset you, it is upsetting really grabs you by the eyeballs into the ultimate reality and sanctity of depression !
the central character Justine is suicidally depressed and calls into existence the planet melancholia which destroys her and all the earth, that’s the fundamental solipsistic viewpoint which says that we individually to ourselves is the only reality there is !
why not watch the whole film ?
this
interview helped me understand it, I didn't like it at first but now think it is really the greatest film ever !
“ when ‘ the buddha ’ and the ‘ path ’ are nothing more than
names
what's there to hold on to ? ”
that's what you are holding onto !
“ when ‘ the buddha ’ and the ‘ path ’ are nothing more than names
what's there to hold on to ? ”
that's what you are holding onto !
“ when ‘ the buddha ’ and the ‘ path ’ are nothing more than names
what's there to hold on to ? ”
that's what you are holding onto !
there is something sterile about james baldwin
too dissipated in people ?
:o(
“ today, baldwin’s
garden , which had been an arcadia of grape arbours, peaches and almonds, was little more than brambles and thorns
just as I was about to leave, I spotted an orange tree, which, smothered by grass, against the odds still bore fruit
in this grassy wasteland the orange tree seemed both perfectly at ease but also poignantly out of place
I plucked an orange and tore into the sagging peel and bit through the tough white skin
I thought at once of tony harrison's poem, “ a kumquat for john keats ” , hoping, like harrison’s narrator ‑ who is also “ a man of doubt at life’s mid-way ” ‑ that I would taste ‘ how a full life ought to feel ’
the tired fruit was dried up, leaving a strange, though not bitter taste in my mouth ”
fernando pessoa could have been like charles bukowski, he would have committed suicide without the alcohol !
fernando pessoa could have been like charles bukowski, he would have committed suicide without the alcohol !
fernando pessoa could have been like charles bukowski, committed suicide without the alcohol !
fernando pessoa could have been like charles bukowski, committed suicide without the alcohol !
fernando pessoa could have been like charles bukowski, committed suicide without the alcohol !
fernando pessoa could have been like charles bukowski, suicidal without the alcohol !
: o(
fernando pessoa could have been like charles bukowski, suicidal without the alcohol !
pessoa could have been like charles bukowski, suicidal without the alcohol !
death
in
the
hall
of
splitting
light / sunlight
is
a
c
o
v
e
r
for
h
i
s
t
o
r
death
in
the
hall
of
splitting
light / sunlight
is
a
cover
for
death
its hall
of
splitting
sunlight
a
c
o
v
er
for
h
i
s
t
o
r
death
its hall
of
splitting
sunlight
a
cover
for
death
its hall
of
splitting
light
a
c
o
v
er
for
death
its hall
of
splitting
light
a
c
o
v
er
for
h
i
s
t
o
r
i really like these poems i drag out of sleep, they are off a totally different
planet !
death
its hall
of
splitting
light
a
cover
for
death
its hall
of
splitting
light
a
cover
for
Hey diddle diddle
the cat in the riddle
and the cowed jumped through the moon
Hey
diddle
diddle
the
cat
in
the
riddle
and
the
cowed
jumped
through
the
moon
!
:
o
Hey
diddle
diddle
the
cat
in
the
riddle
and
the
cowed
jumped
over
the
spoon
!
:
o
Hey diddle diddle
the cat in the riddle
and the cowed jumped over the spoon
Hey diddle diddle
the cat in the riddle
and the cowed jumped over the spoon
snake973 advises me to “ cut the riddles ”
my
reply
Hey diddle diddle
the cat in the riddle
and the cowed jumped over the spoon ! :o)
snake973 advises me to “ cut the riddles ”
my
reply
Hey diddle diddle
the cat in the riddle
and the cowed jumped over the spoon ! :o)
Hey diddle diddle
the cat in the riddle
and the cowed jumped over the spoon ! :o)
Hey diddle diddle
the cat in the riddle
and the cowed jumped over the spoon !
Hey diddle diddle
the cat in the riddle
and the cowed jumped over the spoon
andrew : zen is quite simple, it's the quest for god in life ! : o )
philosarapter : that sounds more like hinduism
why are you questing for ‘ god ’ in the first place?
and what do you do once you've found it ?
andrew : what is god and who quests ?
philosarapter : that's what I'm asking you!
andrew : who is asking ? :o)
philosarapter : it's me, god.
andrew : well that's a good reply ! : o )
I was thinking my question dovetailed both the notion of personal dissociation and the solipsism of that also being god !
andrew : zen is quite simple, it's the quest for god in life ! :o)
philosarapter : that sounds more like hinduism
why are you questing for ‘ god ’ in the first place?
and what do you do once you've found it ?
andrew : what is god and who quests?
philosarapter : that's what I'm asking you!
andrew : who is asking ? :o)
philosarapter : it's me, god.
andrew : well that's a good reply ! :o)
I was thinking my question dovetailed both the notion of personal dissociation and the solipsism of that also being god !
one of the big secrets with supplements is to just try things singly and see the effect, also it's a big help to cut the doses way down
it's all very experimental and you want a controlled experiment, not some mass of supplements that you can't tell what is doing what !
basically the divide is will you have
children or not !
the lives of the childless and those with children are very very different, i have none and though i never set out to be childless, children would have killed me and in terms of the larger perspective of infinity they are an obscuration !
however for the childless the problem is the full realization of infinity which is a life's work in it's own right
i'm not keen on offering advice but my advice to you would be to think in terms of being deliberately childless !
this is because, like me, you can barely cope with life just looking after ourselves !
I knew toni packer, she certainly didn't make everything masculine, she had a very feminine perspective at times !
she had that sort of toughness that inquiry takes, but in her personal life she was really quite a softy
she was the only teacher I ever came across that really helped center staff in practical ways with their life problems...............
not goofy soft though she could be that, but practically helpful which is very unusual...............................
the tragedy was that, and this is my issue now with real life centers and spiritual groupings of any sort is that you get a lot of ill people in them, stealth viruses and who knows what some of which are contagious or at least stress the immune systems of those exposed.........
toni was doing say twelve week long retreats a year
and spending a lot of that week in one on one interviews with these people
I think she was starting to develop diabetes or what might be called pre-diabetes when I was there way back in '92 and it crimped her thinking ability, not dementia but a step in that direction so really she sorta peaked in the early nineties due the the effect of the diabetes which I think was inducted by all the viral exposure of these people
there's no justice ! :o)
reddit zen is the way of the future ! :o)(
where reddit
leaves the pack !
the
turning word of zen
is an optical illusion ! : 0 )
the
turning word of zen
is an optical illusion ! : 0 )
the
turning word of zen
is an optical illusion ! : 0 )
the turning word of zen is an optical illusion ! :o)(
the turning word of zen is an optical illusion !
the turning word of zen is an optical illusion
observatater writes
steven mitchell, eh? they're like a “power couple”
she (ed. byron katie) seems half-baked to me ‑ too quick to create a simplistic method and turn it into a business
she should recommend what worked for her: get divorced a few times, go crazy, develop addictions, then...
my
reply
well she's certainly a damaged doll, but there is a fundamental solipsism there that you can't really argue with !
her “ technique ” is basically three things, any or all of which would go a long way on reddit zen
1. writing or journaling
2. questioning assumptions
3. “ flipping ” what you think or say around so you use the energy of the difference to relook and rework things !
it's all enlightenment as a process and not an object !
where she goes wrong and I think it's a female issue as toni packer made the same mistake imo, is she doesn't weight the greats of the past and the literary geniuses, their words when you work on them are a necessary time compressor or shortcut ! :o)
even Emily Dickinson has problems, there's no one right person with all the answers, everything is uneven.................... !
if something resonates like (as per !) Byron Katie, there's something there, what is it ?
“ all the advice you ever gave your partner is for you to hear ”
katie byron/byron katie
quote
most people view enlightenment as some fixed position from which they can look down their noses at life
but the reality is it is a moving and somewhat crucifying field !
:
o
observatater states/asks
is katie byron (ed. my usage) the bizarro version of byron katie?
my
reply
why bizarro?
byron kathleen mitchell née reid
ewk is attempting to create a “scriptural” form of zen despite zen repudiating that
“right” teachers and “right” scripture which one then hides behind pretending an understanding !............
he's using the christian/Islamic models which are effectively used to weld empires and social groups together
it's not a paradigm that fits today's world
a quixotic zen jihadist, well......................
I might smile a bit as that's also me ! :o).... !
all is vanity solomon said :o)(
ewk is attempting to create a “scriptural” form of zen despite zen repudiating that
“right” teachers and “right” scripture which one then hides behind pretending an understanding !............
he's using the christian/Islamic models which are effectively used to weld empires and social groups together
it's not a paradigm that fits today's world
a quixotic zen jihadist, well......................
I might smile a bit as that's also me ! :o).... !
“ all is vanity ” solomon said :o)(
ewk is attempting to create a “scriptural” form of zen despite zen repudiating that
“right” teachers and “right” scripture which one then hides behind pretending an understanding !............
he's using the christian/Islamic models which are effectively used to weld empires and social groups together
it's not a paradigm that fits today's world
a quixotic zen jihadist, well......................
I might smile a bit as that's also me ! :o).... !
“ all is vanity ” solomon said :o)(
truth is solitary !
just from what I read of current and recent ch'an teachers is they are much more into the mystical visionary aspect whereas the zen in the west is this very neutered suburban meiji era zen which is totally cut off from the mystical side..........
that was a coincidental fit with protestantism I think, quite anti mystical and pro suburban sane
that's where celibacy cuts away from the suburban crap, happily crazy and living outside the norms.........! :o)
most people do not understand that zen is the same as Christian and Islamic/sufi mysticism
simply different cultural backgrounds that's all with their different distortions !
you are not enlightened and do not understand that zen is the same as Christian and Islamic/sufi mysticism
simply different cultural backgrounds that's all with their different distortions !
zen is quite simple , it's the quest for god in life ! :o)
philosarapter wanks
that sounds more like hinduism.
why are you questing for ‘ god ’ in the first place ?
and what do you do once you've found it ?
my
reply
what is god and who quests?
zen is quite simple , it's the quest for god in life ! :o)
zen is quite simple , it's the quest for god in life ! :o)
zen is quite simple, it's the quest for god in life ! :o)
zen is quite simple, it's the quest for god in life ! :o)
full_of_empty asks
when you have finally become enlightened what will you do?
come on with the chopping wood, carrying water, washing bowls nonsense
I can already hear it
anybody got anything else?
my
reply
well I left my job and travelled to work out what I had seen !
the experience itself is important for what it shows which is Buddha/infinity/god as the absolute face in reality
it's like the center of the hurricane and one is always doing some sort of random walk between crucifying turbulence and calm..............
full_of_empty asks
when you have finally become enlightened what will you do?
come on with the chopping wood, carrying water, washing bowls nonsense
I can already hear it
anybody got anything else ?
my
reply
well I left my job and travelled to work out what I had seen !
the experience itself is important for what it shows which is Buddha/infinity/god as the absolute face in reality
it's like the center of the hurricane and one is always doing some sort of random walk between crucifying turbulence and calm..............
full_of_empty asks
when you have finally become enlightened what will you do?
come on with the chopping wood, carrying water, washing bowls nonsense
I can already hear it
anybody got anything else ?
my
reply
well I left my job and travelled to work out what I had seen !
the experience itself is important for what it shows which is Buddha/infinity/god as the absolute face in reality
it's like the center of the hurricane and one is always doing some sort of random walk between crucifying turbulence and calm..............
full_of_empty asks
when you have finally become enlightened what will you do?
come on with the chopping wood, carrying water, washing bowls nonsense
I can already hear it
anybody got anything else?
my
reply
well I left my job and travelled to work out what I had seen !
the experience itself is important for what it shows which is Buddha/infinity/god as the absolute face in reality
it's like the center of the hurricane and one is always doing some sort of random walk between crucifying turbulence and calm..............
“ the entire
exchange , the whole evening and next morning felt like the stories I read of encounters between travelers from long ago. it had that same sort of flavor. each word carries a weight. conversation unlike you tend to have in your ordinary, everyday life ”
that is zen and puts it in the “ sacred ” category !
kuser mountain to the south ?
very like where I was brought up in new zealand in the waikato, mist and fogs off the river going for miles................
only frosts and ice on pools of water in winter tho ! :o)
how many preachers can fit in a Buddha's begging bowl ! ? :o)
how many preachers can fit in a Buddha's begging bowl ! ? :o)
how many preachers can fit in a Buddha's begging bowl ! ? :o)
we , all of us, commit many different forms of suicide every day
gross
my reply
not comfortable with ever - present death, you friggin zen fake ! :o(
we , all of us, commit many different forms of suicide every day
record of the 7th patriarch !
we , all of us, commit many different forms of suicide every day
we
, all of us, commit many different forms of suicide every day
we
, all of us, commit different forms of suicide every day
is that a trap or your own mind cage ?
he/her = who
bascially the trials of an old age with someone with whom you haven't had children or a long married life are too much !
MGTOW, or indeed Wgtow !
remembering a dream is enough trauma for me, I couldn't cope with a “psychotropic/hallucinogenic” let alone the anxiety about permanent brain damage ! :o)
this
problem has always puzzled me !
:o)(
the stone in the boat is able to leverage all the greater density of the stone than water into volume displacement, but the stone thrown into the water loses that leverage and presumably that somehow is balanced up by the weight of the stone on the bottom of the water body !
“ love is infinity for poodles ”
louis-ferdinand celine
i think that's why the real zen is so strange to people
it is actually out of love ! :o)(
“ love is infinity for poodles ”
MGTOW (men going their own way)
i reply to oatgerm
you're another
“ never to be enlightened ” mired in wanking
bullshit forever ! :o(
oatgerm replies
maybe !
my
reply
look you are writing junk, no two ways about it and just slip off when I raise this !
the problem is and it's a general problem with the usual zen nuts is you don't read quality so what you write looks ok !
you can let go neither your own hubric egoism nor your intellectual schematic investment ! :o(
ok, i'm gonna make a concession, waste my breath and tell you something !
you never have to worry about the quality of what you write if you give it away as you write it, the good stuff stands by itself forever, whatever the morons say and actually you will always find some who appreciate it
you don't build, it builds itself, you just have to put the many extra miles into this new (and for you) , unknown territory !
you walk away, you come back and it still shines with the light of the infinite
if
not
for
that
light
why
would
you
write ?
oatgerm replies
[..] words are useless for describing zen, but I am a bad writer too [..]
my
reply
don't you get it, you are describing zen with words, can't you see the contradiction ?
look at my black stream
poem which addresses what you are saying !
actually I think you have talent as a writer, there is definitely something there
you just skip over what doesn't suit you, the real zen munches your bones and spits out your blood and this is how you have to live it and why hardly anyone does and I don't blame them !
go the extra 1000000 miles and your guts will trail on the ground and you will walk on bloody shin bones and this is how it is !
it's like you have jumped to the end
and won't do the in between bits ! :o(
undone inbetween bits are like rattlesnakes, they warn then strike
:o)
sometimes they just strike ! :o)
theuniverseincarnate asks
do I need a zen teacher?
how do I stay on the path?
who can I trust?
my
reply
relax, you have never strayed from the path of stupidity and never will !
: o )
theuniverseincarnate replies
theuniverseincarnate asks
do I need a zen teacher?
how do I stay on the path?
who can I trust?
my
reply
relax, you have never strayed from the path of stupidity and never will !
theuniverseincarnate asks
do I need a zen teacher?
how do I stay on the path?
who can I trust?
my
reply
you have never strayed from the path of stupidity and never will !
you have never strayed from the path of stupidity and never will !
you have never strayed from the path of stupidity and never will !
bring and bought
buy and brought !
bring and brought
bought and buy !
bought and buy
bring and brought !
apathete
replies to me on reddit zen
you linked to yourself getting a good thrashing
if you know this, I am impressed
my
replies
you mean giving a good thrashing ! :o)
whipped the shit out of them ! :o)
bullshit artists like yourself are so thick on the ground here
to single you out is a waste of time ! :o(
look at you, a bullshit hubric nut who has never had an original thought in his life and gets upset when his crap is exposed !
front up and read what I
wrote , ............................
if
you can
which
I assume
is
the
problem
it's
all beyond your
pathetic
attempts
at
thinking !
:o(
you can't get real yourself so you try to discredit the genuine like myself ! :o(
you were asked to front up yet again you deflect !
basically it's a process
I look at the koan and try to make sense of it, this can involve coming back later and looking at it again !
the question I had about this
koan , is can the koan be modified abit to make sense of it, or has the meaning been truly distorted and hence lost ! ?
ok for this one, the sense turns out to be there, but you have to hit the inspired space which is really infinity to find it as there's a lot of chinese medieval cultural associations with what was originally said that have been lost !
so when you have hit that “ inspired space ” you quickly write down what's in it, the actual format is also part of what came, you really have to feel into that and trust it ! :o)
when it's all done, that's what it looks like and you didn't know what it was before hand ! :o)
“ the hermit of lotus flower peak held up his staff (ed. BCR case 25) and showed it to the assembly saying , ‘ when the ancients got here, why didn't they consent to stay here ? ’
there was no answer from the assembly, so he himself answered for them
‘ because they did not gain strength on the road ’
again he said , “ in the end, how is it ? ’
and again he himself answered in their place , ‘ With my staff across my shoulder, I pay no heed to people ‑ I go straight into the myriad peaks ’
my “ redo ”
“ why don't you stay at infinity ? ”
because it's crucifying !
what if
it's
not
crucifying ?
then
it's
not
“ the hermit of lotus flower peak held up his staff (ed. BCR case 25) and showed it to the assembly saying , ‘ when the ancients got here, why didn't they consent to stay here ? ’
there was no answer from the assembly, so he himself answered for them
‘ because they did not gain strength on the road ’
again he said , “ in the end, how is it ? ’
and again he himself answered in their place , ‘ With my staff across my shoulder, I pay no heed to people ‑ I go straight into the myriad peaks ’
my “ redo ”
“ why don't you stay at infinity ? ”
because it's crucifying !
what if
it's
not
crucifying ?
then
it's
not
this is some sort of image rather than the actual doing !
there is a tendency to be “ about ”
rather than do the actual thing ! :o)
this is some sort of image rather than the actual doing !
there is a tendency to be “about” rather than do the actual thing ! :o)
this is some sort of
image rather than the actual doing !
you have a tendency to be “about” rather than do the actual thing ! :o)
sepehr g. replies
how does one “ do ” the actual thing?
I sit outside and read the poetry underneath the willow trees....
what more is there to this koan, this endless running in circles?
just sit and read a poem and then close one's eyes... and listen to bird's chirping...
my
reply
so what's outside the circle ?
yeah there's something outside the circle, but it's a lifetime's work to sort that out !
there is some sort of image rather than the actual doing !
there is some sort of image rather than the actual doing !
there is some sort of image rather than the actual doing
how much blood is in ink ?
how much blood is in ink ?
how much blood is in ink ?
how much blood is in ink ?
when things go wrong
that
is
also
infinity !
:
o
)
when things go wrong
that
is
also
infinity !
:
o
)
when things go wrong
that
is
also
when things go wrong
that
is
also
when things go wrong
that
is
also
when things go wrong
that
is
also
when things go wrong , that is also infinity !
when things go wrong
, that is also infinity !
when things go wrong, that is also infinity !
when things go wrong , that is also infinity
when things go wrong, that is also infinity
when things go wrong, that is also infinity
when things
go
wrong
that
is
also
i
n
f
i
n
i
t
y
!
:
o
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when things
go
wrong
that
is
also
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n
f
i
n
i
t
y
!
:
o
)
when things
go
wrong
that
is
also
i infi
n
f
i
n
i
t
y
!
:
o
)
no matter what you think
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brought ar o u
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to the
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of
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no matter what you think
everything can suddenly
be
brought ar o u
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to the
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g
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of
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you have got to the first stage like alan watts of “ nothing makes sense ”
but you haven't got to the second stage
which is making sense of it all ! : o )
you have got to the first stage like alan watts “ nothing makes sense ”
but you haven't got to the second stage
which is making sense of it all ! : o )
you have got to the first stage “ nothing makes sense ”
but you haven't got to the second stage
which is making sense of it all ! : o )
you have got to the first stage “ nothing makes sense ”
but you haven't got to the second stage which is making sense of it all ! : o )
you have got to the first stage “ nothing makes sense ” but you haven't got to the second stage which is making sense of it all ! : o )
the one that matters is this, (ed. extract of a foyan
quote)
“ in your conduct, day and night, keep evolving higher; then even if you do not attain enlightenment, you will still be a highly refined individual
be sure to be attentive ”
my
comment
real life zen is no different from reddit, idiots just masturbate and keep in little cliques because they develop real life “anti competence” , that is they can't talk about or justify what they do in a non zen setting because they sound like and are stupid fools !
it's all just an excuse for what, I cannot say, but crazy is as crazy does ! :o) ?
the one that matters is this, (ed. extract of a foyan
quote)
“ in your conduct, day and night, keep evolving higher; then even if you do not attain enlightenment, you will still be a highly refined individual
be sure to be attentive ”
real life zen is no different from reddit, idiots just masturbate and keep in little cliques because they develop real life “anti competence” , that is they can't talk about or justify what they do in a non zen setting because they sound like and are stupid fools !
it's all just an excuse for what, I cannot say, but crazy is as crazy does ! :o) ?
the one that matters is this, (ed. extract of a foyan
quote )
“ in your conduct, day and night, keep evolving higher; then even if you do not attain enlightenment, you will still be a highly refined individual. be sure to be attentive ”
my
comment
real life zen is no different from reddit, idiots just masturbate and keep in little cliques because they develop real life “anti competence” , that is they can't talk about or justify what they do in a non zen setting because they sound like and are stupid fools !
it's all just an excuse for what, I cannot say, but crazy is as crazy does ! :o) ?
the one that matters is this, (ed. extract of a foyan
quote )
“ in your conduct, day and night, keep evolving higher; then even if you do not attain enlightenment, you will still be a highly refined individual. be sure to be attentive ”
real life zen is no different from reddit, idiots just masturbate and keep in little cliques because they develop real life “anti competence” , that is they can't talk about or justify what they do in a non zen setting because they sound like and are stupid fools !
it's all just an excuse for what, I cannot say, but crazy is as crazy does ! :o) ?
good works
can
kill
you
for
nothing !
the
world
has
more
problems than
we can solve !
:
o
(
good works
can
kill
you
for
nothing !
the
world
has
more
problems than
we can solve !
:
o
(
good works
can
kill
you
for
nothing !
the
world
has
more
problems than
good works
can
kill
you
for
nothing !
the
world
has
more
problems than
you can solve !
:
o
(
good works
can
kill
you
for
nothing !
the
world
has
more
problems than
you can solve !
:
o
(
good works
can
kill
you
for
nothing !
the
world
has
more
problems than
“ I want people to have answers.. strangely even when they have good ones I seem to discard them easily ”
yeah , this is the crux, you have to go against that and take on board good
answers and not fawn to crap
at some point we have to get nasty to ourselves, Emily
dickinson's
the soul unto itself
is an imperial friend -
or the most agonizing spy
you read, but you still can't understand
you read but you still can't understand
you see how things don't come together you don't see how things come together ! :o) :o(
you see how things don't come together but you don't see how things come together
you see that things don't come together, you don't see how things come together
you see that things don't come together you don't see how things come together
it's a good koan for you, emily dickinson is enlightened and alan watts is not !
it's a good koan for you, emily dickinson is enlightened and alan watts is not !
it's a good koan for you, emily dickinson is enlightened and alan watts is not !
it's a good koan for you, emily dickinson is enlightened and alan watts is not
you are making a bizarre claim, throwing up the gold of Emily Dickinson against the mud of alan watts ! :o(
alan watts is confused
nonsense , doesn't distract ( distinguish/discern !) the recursion of the thought of ‘you’ having a thought, also being thought, whereas Emily dickinson
circumvents it !
( ed. click on the toggle full page button )
singlefinger replies
alan watts is confused nonsense I don't really enjoy alan watts
FTFY
my
reply
“ alan watts is confused nonsense, doesn't distract ( distinguish/discern !) the recursion of the thought of ‘you’ having a thought, also being thought, whereas Emily dickinson circumvents it ! ”
that's the full sentence including the reason why alan watts is confused, you didn't understand it so you passed over it !
you have to address what you don't understand..........
this is when you move out of notions of “ what you enjoy ” into the real substance of zen !
singlefinger replies
first of all, that sentence is a minefield. I think I understood what you were saying. Emily Dickinson succinctly describes something that Alan Watts, in a much longer fashion, fails to articulate.
when I think about myself having thoughts, it looks like I'm breaking the fourth wall when I'm really just having more thoughts.
if I missed your point, please hit me with it again... although I've got to tell you, it's not all my fault. That sentence is pretty out there.
my
reply
do you see how you feel the need to ridicule that sentence !
it's like a vast canyon that has opened up before you that you have to cross, but you don't want to go there !
read it carefully over several days and see if you can start to understand it, it's a divide that Emily Dickinson is the other side of, but you and alan watts are not !
:o)
“ but sequence ravelled out of reach ”
that's her poems, the thing is that alan watts admits to a necessity of unravelling, but he never really does it and remains trying to stitch a coherence whereas Emily Dickinson transcends the unravelling and actually there is a special case of ravelled unravelled that she masters...............
it's the difference between enlightenment and not..................
alan watts is confused
nonsense , doesn't distract ( distinguish/discern !) the recursion of the thought of ‘you’ having a thought, also being thought, whereas Emily dickinson
circumvents it !
alan watts is confused nonsense, doesn't distract ( distinguish/discern !) the recursion of the thought of ‘you’ having a thought, also being thought, whereas Emily dickinson circumvents it !
