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Counterfeit
Archives #5
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Counterfeit
Sellers Archive
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January 23, 2003 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLERS: |
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What's
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Item
# 3203381181
- Montecristo No. 2 |
megadragon |
This
seller is not offering one counterfeit box, he is offering
SEVEN boxes for sale. While he has a lot of pictures
on his auction they are of low quality. We did notice
another stamp that we were unfamiliar with and asked
the seller to send us with the standard - CLOSE UP OF
THE RED SERIAL
NUMBER AND BACK OF THE BOX - so we could examine them
a little closer.
We
received new pictures from the seller and it was as
expected. Even though he sent us blurry pictures, they
were still clear enough to prove that these cigars are
counterfeits. The red serial number begins with an "A"
yet the factory code shows that the cigars were rolled
in Feb 2002, which we know could not be true as they
were already on "B" at the start of 2002.
There
is also a bogus "Entregado" stamp on the back
of the box, similar to that of the "VENDIDO POR
INTUR" stamp to make it look more authentic.
In
his email to us Alex comments that he personally hand
selected these cigars and had them banded and boxed
, and that he had to bribe someone in the factory to
do it. Now, if he had to bribe someone there is no way
is walking out with seven boxes from the upstairs rolling
area! Ok....for all you still none believers let's assume
that he did bribe someone to let him hand select 175
cigars, then carry them to have them banded, then boxed,
then taken to be sealed, then stamped with a "FEB
02" stamp. Then he waited in Cuba another seven
months to have then stamp the "ENTREGADO OCT 2002"
stamp (which isn't even an authorized stamp)!!! Please,
peddle your Bullsh** somewhere else.
What's
even sadder is that he send links to Steve
Saka's and Rafael
Bernardo's web site to lend credibility to his auctions
indicating that he is aware that fakes are out there
and that he knows how to tell the difference.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Ramon [mailto:habanos_r_us@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:24 AM
To: 'Alex'
Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #3203381181
LOL...no,
let me restate that, LOL!!! What's the matter? It is
ok to
peddle counterfeits, but it's not ok for someone to
point them out?
Your
email gives us the satisfaction for the existence of
our web site.
Shut
us down??? Many counterfeit sellers have tried and you
will not be
the first to succeed.
Habanos
R US
http://www.members.tripod.com/habanos_r_us
-----Original
Message-----
From: Alex [mailto:akag76@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:07 AM
To: 'Ramon'
Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #3203381181
Are
you guys emailing all my costumers with you web site?
If so, I am
sorry but I will be forced to shut you down.
UPDATE:
January 24th, 2003 - How does Alex define his cigars
as authentic Montecristo No. 2's???
-----Original
Message-----
From: Alex Kagan [mailto:akag76@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:21 PM
To: Ramon
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #3203381181
Well
I do not care, I brought cigars from Cuba made by Cuban's
from leaves
that where grown in Cuba tell me how those are not Cuban????????
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ramon" <habanos_r_us@hotmail.com>
To: "'Alex Kagan'" <akag76@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #3203381181
> No thanks...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Kagan [mailto:akag76@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:13 PM
> To: Ramon
> Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #3203381181
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> Pretty cool site, I like it. Sorry for the blurry
pictures I did not do
> it
> on purpose, I took them with my phone. So do you
still want free cigar
> or
> what?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ramon" <habanos_r_us@hotmail.com>
> To: "'Alex Kagan'" <akag76@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #3203381181
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> > You have been updated on our site.
> >
> > http://www.members.tripod.com/habanos_r_us
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January 3, 2003 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLERS: |
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Seller |
What's
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Item
# 752390034
- Glass-top Cohibas |
mad*4*plaid |
What
would the world be without the occasional "glass-top"
Cohiba Esplendido. |
Item
# 752416780
- Montecristo #2 |
cniehaus1966 |
I
always love seeing these bogus boxes that have all the
labels displayed in pristine condition on top of the
cigars. Funny (sad) thing is, so does wizard77 who has
put a bid of $100.00 dollars for this piece of shit. |
Item
# 752705261
- Cohiba Esplendidos |
frankpiazza |
Maybe
frankpizza should find some new friends who don't ask
him to sell their counterfeit Cuban cigars on eBay. |
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January 2, 2003 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLERS: |
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What's
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Item
# 752221806
- Montecristo #2 |
pat4445 |
This
seller has several counterfeit boxes up for auction. We
have just received additional photos of his box and it
indicates several problems with the box. First, the red
serial number starts with DB and it has a factory date
code of AUG02. If this box were authentic it would have
a red serial number that starts with the letter B. The
seller also states in his email that he purchased the
box from the La Corona factory, but the factory code on
the back of the box indicates that it was manufactured
in the Partagas factory. ALL OF HIS AUCTIONS SHOULD BE
CONSIDERED COUNTERFEIT. |
Item
# 752069754
- Montecristo #2 |
laz1818 |
This
seller has several counterfeit auctions going. We received
additional photos of this Montecristo #2, which prove
that they are blatant counterfeits. First, the serial
number starts with AB and it has a factory code date
of AUG02. Again, just like the joker above, we know
that the code date should start with a B. Also, there
are only 5 digits on the serial number and there MUST
be 6 digits. His box also has the "VENDIDO EN CUBA:
TIENDAS INTUR" stamp to make people think that
it was approved by the Cuba Turism board.
Lastly,
this seller is located from the #1 location of counterfeit
Cuba cigar sellers - MIAMI!!! |
Item
# 752062960
- Montecristo #4 |
chicodon |
Again,
we cannot stress the IMPORTANCE of requesting additional
pictures of the box that sellers have up for auction.
We received another picture from a seller and it, again,
proves that the box he has up for auction is a counterfeit.
Not only does the red serial number start with the wrong
letter, but it has to be one of the worst looking counterfeit
warranty seals that we have ever seen. |
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Email
from chicodon:
Thanks
for the informative information...Ramon
>From:
"Aaron Amadi" <aarona@rogers.com>
>To: "Cuba Libre" <habanos_r_us@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #752062960
>Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:36:38 -0500
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>well like i said i dont know much bout cigars...and
my couzin bout it 2
>weeks ago from cuba... i dont think its a duplicate
because she told me that
>she bought it from the cigar factory of monte cristo
while she had a tour
>through the factory. for that reason, for example
the sticker that says
>Habano with yellow red lines isnt even used yet
and brand u.... the same
>thing with the seal. the box wasnt sealed at all.
i dont think u know what u
>talking about unless u r a cigar specialist from
cuba what i doubt...lol
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cuba Libre" <habanos_r_us@hotmail.com>
>To: <aarona@rogers.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 4:41 PM
>Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #752062960
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> > It is pretty obvious from the pictures you
sent and your description on
>the
> > back of the box confirmed it.
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> > Ramon
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Item
# 752119451
- Bolivar Belicosos |
brujaa |
Has
posted several more counterfeit auctions, all as blatant
as her others. Here is a list
of her counterfeits. |
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Added:
December 29, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLERS: |
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What's
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Item
# 751665091
- Partagas Churchills |
junco311 |
The
green warranty seal has been applied in the wrong location;
closer examinational will show other problems. |
Item
# 751971062
- Sancho Panza |
brujaa |
This
bogus green warranty seal has been misapplied. It also
looks like the red serial numbers were actually printed
on the green area of the seal. |
Item
# 751526193
- Montecristo #2 |
derbandi |
These
type of counterfeits are not new. Apparantly, these guys
think that it will make the box more desireable if all
the labels and seals have not been applied to the box.
More times than not, these are not stickers at all, but
pieces of paper that have been printed using a cheap scanner
and printer and cannot be applied to the box. |
Item
# 750533341
- Cohiba Esplendidos |
32kp |
Here
is an auction for a box of counterfeit Cohiba Esplendidos.
From the picture itself it is difficult to tell if this
is a counterfeit box or not, and this is when you NEED
to ask the seller additional questions. It is a common
ploy for counterfeit sellers to lift pictures from other
auctions. Here is the sellers response to our request
for additional pictures:
>From:
Kent <k.plosz@shaw.ca>
>To: habanos_r_us@hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #751832596
>Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:29:40 -0700
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>Like I said before, I have no digital camera.
>The Serial # is DH032446
So, OBVIOUSLY, the picture that he is using on his auctions
are not that of his own. Sure a lot of sellers of authentic
items use pictures that are not of their own, what's
the big deal. Most sellers are selling items that do
not have a high counterfeit rate - like Cuban cigars.
The clue that rubber stamped this seller's auction as
counterfeit was the serial number that he provided.
This serial number is NOT currently being used as of
yet.
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Item
# 751894066
- Montecristo No. 4 |
jason_schmeetz |
Here
is a box of Montecristo No.4's. The what we can tell from
this picture is that the label is slightly off. We have
reqeusted additional pictures from the seller before we
will make a determination. |
Item
# 751971451
- Partagas 8-9-9 |
brujaa |
Here
is another counterfeit auction from brujaa. Authentic
Partagas 8-9-8's (varnished or unvarnished) do not have
the green warranty seal applied to the box. |
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We
have just received an email from brujaa (which means
WITCH in Spanish). Hopefully, this witch will take some
of the money that she steals from people and put it
towards some good English lessons.
blatant
are you mom and counterfeits is your father ,i sent
now this email at ebay claim because all this are you
you don't not about tobaccos blatant. i can take your
addres about ebay .
Ericka
>From: habanos_r_us@hotmail.com
>To: brujaa@hotmail.com
>Subject: Question for seller -- Item #751971451
>Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:15:37 PST
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>these are blatant counterfeits
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>Question from: habanos-r-us
>Title of item: COHIBA "PARTAGAS"
>Seller: brujaa
>Starts: Dec-30-02 07:51:13 PST
>Ends: Jan-02-03 07:51:13 PST
>Price: Starts at $170.00
>To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=751971451
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> Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at
http://www.ebay.com |
Item
# 751832596
- Montecristo #2 |
32kp |
Here
is another auction from 32kp. We asked him pictures, but
he said that he could not provide any because he does
not have a digital camera. So the pictures that he is
using for his auction are either pictures from someone
elses auction, or he had someone take pictures of his
boxes. Irregardless, he has given us the red serial number
on this box, DH032446, which is not a valid serial number
at this time. THIS BOX IS BOGUS AND HIS OTHER AUCTION
SHOULD BE CONSIDERED COUNTERFEIT AS WELL. |
Item
# 751446655
- Cohiba Esplendidos |
lalho |
This
auction for Cohiba Esplendidos is not only counterfeit,
his box is just plain filthy. Take a look at this picture,
it is a GREAT picture in that this is the size and quality
of pictures that all sellers should post, if not, they
should ALWAYS be considered as counterfeiters. This
pictures shows that there are a couple of things wrong
with the box, first, take a look at the HALLMARKS which
are very messy. If this box were authentic the HALLMARKS
will be clean and crisp. Second, if you look close this
box is using the NIVELACUSO
coding scheme, but it shows a NEW
WARRANTY SEAL. Habanos SA stopped using the NIVELACUSO
coding scheme at the end of 1998, the NEW
WARRANTY SEAL was introduced in 1999. In other words,
the NIVELACUSO
box scheme was never used with the NEW
WARRANTY SEAL.
There
are a couple of things that we find disturbing with
this box. The biggest problem that we have is that the
seller is located in MIAMI, and if you haven't heard
us say it before, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN AN AUTHENTIC BOX
SOLD OUT OF FLORIDA - EVER!!! Another common practice
is that of shilling (creating false accounts to bid
up your own auction), which is illegal, but we have
seen many counterfeiters use this practice. After all,
there moral standards are that high to begin with. |
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Added:
December 27, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: never_reserve |
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The
number of counterfeit sellers has greatly diminished and we
have decided to leave the site up as a reference center. As
we wrap up 2002 we continue to see the same type of counterfeit
sellers on eBay. EVERY auction that we have seen from FLORIDA
has been counterfeits, sellers to have lame excuses for not
posting pictures, or fail to respond to our request additional
pictures. However, every now and then there appears an auction
which screams to be added to our web site. The following is
one of those auctions.
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Counterfeit
1: Romeo
y Julieta Churchills
These are some of the funniest Cuban cigars that we
have seen in some time. The pictures speak for themselves.
Click on the small pictures to enlarge. The first picture
shows a really bad warranty label. Some of the "red"
serial number is actually printed on the green part
of the label! Also, this box is wrapped in a celo wrapper.
Take a look at the last picture on the right. It has
the code "FPG OSSN"; which when translated
means that this box was suppose to have come out of
the Partagas factory on 09/91!!! Damn, I only wish that
were true. As everyone knows, this box, if it was rolled
in the '91 would be selling at Christies Auction house
and not on eBay. Not only that, but if this were rolled
in '91 it certainly would not have the new warranty
seal on the box.
You
gotta love these counterfeit sellers, they provide us
with a never ending supply of comedy. |
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July 1, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: heatbb33 |
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Here
is another box from the Land of the Counterfeit Cuban Cigars,
FLORIDA.
Email response:
-----Original Message-----
From: HEATBB33@aol.com [mailto:HEATBB33@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 2:00 PM
To: habanos_r_us@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2115656496
my digital camera broke but the seal is in tacked AND ITS
WHITE AND GREEN THE SEAL LOOKS LIKE THE MONEY BILL the box
was purchased in havana cuba the week of mothers day the winning
bidder will get the bag my mother in law got when she bought
the box in havana cuba the code on the box is ECA-CCUE trust
me it is very hard to read the code up close in a picture
TRUST ME U WONT BE DISAPPOINTED THIS IS THE REAL THING STR8
FROM HAVANA CUBA AND I AS THE SELLER WILL STAND BEHIND THIS
PRODUCT 100% LET ME ME KNOW THANKS
Another broken digital camera!
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-----Original
Message-----
From: HEATBB33@aol.com [mailto:HEATBB33@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:13 PM
To: habanos_r_us@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2115656496
ur a pussy man y u have to post peoples auctions on ur stupid
web site asshole for all i know ur selling fake ones too LOSER
Not only is this guy rude, but he is stupid
and admits that he is selling fake Cuban cigars.
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Counterfeit
1: H.Upmann
Regalias
Take a look at this box. His pictures are rather small
but it appears to have the old warranty seal, and making
out the factory code is near impossible. We emailed the
seller to request a close up picture of the back of the
box so we could read the factory code. Yes, even we overlook
things, if look again, you'll see that it was not necessary
for the seller to us the picture. The pictures that he
provided on the auction is sufficient enough to ID this
box as a counterfeit. Can you tell what it is? If you
need some help email us here at habanos_r_us@hotmail.com
put H.Upmann Regalias in the subject line.
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Additional
picture emailed to us by the seller. Not much better...I
guess he got his digital camera working. Nonetheless,
we can still determine that this box is
a counterfeit with or without the requested pictures.
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July 1, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: br14942000 |
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Here's
a "Good O Boy" out of Alabama with a counterfeit
box of R y J No. 4's. While it is rare to see someone post
an auction for "Cuban" cigars on Yahoo, there will
always be that one guy who thinks he can sneak under our radar.
He also has another auction for R y J Churchills which we
also requested that additional pictures be sent. We believe
that this guy is shilling his auction and driving up the price.
Both of his auctions have bids buy the same buyer, who only
has a feedback rating of one, which was from guess who???
br14942000
and guess what box this bidder purchased??? That's right...Romeo
y Julieta Exhibicion No. 4. Do these seller's think that
people are really as stupid as they are and cannot figure
things out??? There is a little more than 2 hours left on
both of these auctions...after the auctions ends we'll send
the seller an email asking him if these boxes are still available...I'll
bet that they will be.
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Counterfeit
1: Romeo
y Julieta Exhibicion No. 4
We have requested additional pictures of this box, however,
it is pretty obvious from the pictures that he provides
with his auction that this is a counterfeit box. |
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June 30, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: queenjedi |
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Here
is a seller who admits that she is selling this box of Cohiba
Lanceros her step father who purchased this box on the streets
of Cuba recently. She had a buy price on this box for US$210.
Authentic Cohiba Lanceros sell for no LESS than US$400 in
an authorized location, while they can be purchased on the
streets of Cuba from jinteros for US$40. This seller has two,
and probably more, if you ask, of the same cigar.
As we have mentioned before, we have NEVER seen an authentic
box being sold from someone out of Florida. Why? Because many
Cuban nationals live in Florida and are permitted a limited
number of visits to Cuba each year. While there they purchase
these counterfeit boxes to help finanance their visits to
Cuba by trying to sell these cigars in the states.
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Counterfeit
1: Cohiba
Lancero
Take a look at this counterfeit box and look closely at
the warranty seal. Not only has it been misplaced on the
box, but you can read that the red serial number is incorrect.
No authentic Cuban cigars have yet to been released with
the "LX" serial number...as of June, all Cuban
cigars should have the "B?" serial number, with
the exception of the "XX" label. |
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June 17, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: bd91alto |
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Here
is a seller that has around 10 different boxes up for auction.
In his description he says that he has recently lost his job,
so I guess that is why he is selling off his collection of
cigars. But, if one is so hard up for cash to sell off his
cigars why would you then go bidding on expensive items???
Here is a list
of items that this seller has recently bid on - some as high
as $2000.00.
Now...we're not going to list what is wrong with all his cigars,
but we will examine a few so you get the idea.
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Counterfeit
1: Don
Alejandro Unicos
Just looking at the washed out colors of the green warranty
seal is enough to have turned us away, but confirmation
of the authenticity, or lack thereof, comes from the red
serial numbers which start with "WD". NO authentic
Cuban cigars have yet to be released with the "WD"
serial number. After visitng numerous shops and factories
in Havana I can tell you that at the most progressive
serial number we saw was "BL". |
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June 17, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: bigchorizo |
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Here
is a unique twist on the infamous counterfeit glass-top Cohibas
Esplendidos, a box of glass-top Cohiba
Piramides. Howver, don't be fooled, it is every bit as
its glass-top Esplendido brother.
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June 2, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: grivera74 |
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Here
is an auction
from a seller out of New York. He states that this box is
starting at the fraction of the US$300+ (the actual price
is closer to around US$400) retail price for an authentic
box. What he fails to mention is that this box is starting
at double the price he paid for this counterfeit box. I will
give this guy credit, he has great pictures.
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Counterfeit
#1: COHIBA
"25 ESPLENDIDOS" HECHO A MANO
If the counterfeit seller did one thing right, it was
to put nice, big, clear pictures of this counterfeit
box on his auction. From the first picture (top-left)
we can easily tell that this is a counterfeit box. the
green warranty seal is not only placed in a wrong location
(it should be located under the Cohiba logo), but it
has also been applied incorrectly with the first fold
passing through the middle of the label and not through
the Cuban shield. The second picture is a GOOD one!
take a look at the substandard printing of the red serial
numbers, also notice that the red ink smeared on the
label. The last picture (bottom left) is also a very
good picture to examine. Here you will notice that the
Hallmarks were actually rubber-stamped onto the box.
Authentic boxes are branded onto to the box and actually
leave a depression.
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June 2, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: lupiscanis |
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Here
are a couple of auctions
by seller based in Germany. eBay Germany has the largest number
of counterfeit Cuban boxes on eBay. I guess it is not surprising
to see some of these guys cross over the Atlantic to sell
some of these counterfeits and fund their vacations to Cuba.
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May 25, 2002 |
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FEATURED COUNTERFEIT SELLER: xtraordinaire@netscape.net |
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Here
is an auction
that did not have any pictures. If you see an auction like
this just email the seller and tell him you would like pictures
of the front and back of the box, as well as, a clear close
up of the green warranty seal showing the red serial numbers.
Never bid on any auction unless the seller provides actual
pictures of the box that is being sold.
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Counterfeit
#1: CUBAN
COHIBA ESPLENDIDOS 25 - SEALED NR
Looking at the first picture, it would be very difficult
to identify this box as a counterfeit. The green warranty
seal looks very good. However, when you take a look at
the second picture, the box screams counterfeit. This
box has the new green warranty seal, which was applied
to all boxes produced after 1998, but the box code that
is stamped on the back of the box indicates that this
box was produced in 07/1997 -- NOT!
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